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Through all my surgeries Back, Stomach, foot, Hernia, and shoulder,
all within 5 years 2 vicoden no longer does it. Its like candy.
So I had to take Oxycontin, or Roxicodone, or Dilaudid at very high dosages.
Coming off is such a fucking bitch, I'm talkin bout Basketball Diaries.
I know Guy Grundy went through it with Nubain, but I have a solution
if anyone is hooked or gets hooked.
Goto a detox dr and get
Clonidine 1mcg control blood pressure
Rubaxin 500mg muscle relaxer
Ativan 1mg Central nervous depressent
and subutex 8mg. Pain killer
You will not have to go through
the painful withdrawls. You'll be
clean in a month or less.
All of these drugs do something that affects withdrawl seperately
so you don't have to go through the ringer.
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Through all my surgeries Back, Stomach, foot, Hernia, and shoulder,
all within 5 years 2 vicoden no longer does it. Its like candy.
So I had to take Oxycontin, or Roxicodone, or Dilaudid at very high dosages.
Coming off is such a fucking bitch, I'm talkin bout Basketball Diaries.
I know Guy Grundy went through it with Nubain, but I have a solution
if anyone is hooked or gets hooked.
Goto a detox dr and get
Clonidine 1mcg control blood pressure
Rubaxin 500mg muscle relaxer
Ativan 1mg Central nervous depressent
and subutex 8mg. Pain killer
You will not have to go through
the painful withdrawls. You'll be
clean in a month or less.
All of these drugs do something that affects withdrawl seperately
so you don't have to go through the ringer.
What a mess you are!
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Americans seem to love painkiller more then they love themself
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Chainsaw good for you.With you high opiate tolerance you will need more then 8 mg of Suboxone, you will probably need 24-32 mg.If you were take as much opiates as you stated previously, 8mg of Suboxone wont dont much for you..I must mention this, this is very important, if you take to much Suboxone it can actualy put you into withdrawl.Alot of people dont know this.
The only thing you have to look out for is Suboxone, you have too ween off of it.Because Suboxone itself is very powerful,you cant just quit it cold turkey, like most people think.I would give yourself probably 2 weeks to ween off of Suboxone.
They make 2mg tablets of sublingual suboxone, and you can take those while wenning yourself off.
So if you were to take 8 mg of Suboxone,then go to 6 mg for 4 days, then go to 4 mg for 4 days, then go to 2 mg for 4 days, then stay on 2 mg for 5-7 days.Then 1 mg for 4 days, by then you can just stop taking it
I took pharmacolgy courses in college, and I know atleast 4 doctors who prescibe Suboxone to there patinets.It is a miracle drug for addicts.I never battled with addiction, thank god but I know alot of people who have.
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Chainsaw,
Has this affected your 500$ a week fish buying habits at all?
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Chainsaw,
Has this affected your 500$ a week fish buying habits at all?
;D
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Why do you need an injury to get hooked on opiates ???
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Why do you need an injury to get hooked on opiates ???
he keeps hurting himself, so he can justify his addictions to himself
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he keeps hurting himself, so he can justify his addictions to himself
Ohhh,got it ;)
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he keeps hurting himself, so he can justify his addictions to himself
The heart's a muscle too bro :)
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Pretty sure Dr's need a special license caveat to prescribe suboxone and subutex aswell
Your regular Dr may not be allowed to prescribe it
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Chainsaw good for you.With you high opiate tolerance you will need more then 8 mg of Suboxone, you will probably need 24-32 mg.If you were take as much opiates as you stated previously, 8mg of Suboxone wont dont much for you..I must mention this, this is very important, if you take to much Suboxone it can actualy put you into withdrawl.Alot of people dont know this.
The only thing you have to look out for is Suboxone, you have too ween off of it.Because Suboxone itself is very powerful,you cant just quit it cold turkey, like most people think.I would give yourself probably 2 weeks to ween off of Suboxone.
They make 2mg tablets of sublingual suboxone, and you can take those while wenning yourself off.
So if you were to take 8 mg of Suboxone,then go to 6 mg for 4 days, then go to 4 mg for 4 days, then go to 2 mg for 4 days, then stay on 2 mg for 5-7 days.Then 1 mg for 4 days, by then you can just stop taking it
I took pharmacolgy courses in college, and I know atleast 4 doctors who prescibe Suboxone to there patinets.It is a miracle drug for addicts.I never battled with addiction, thank god but I know alot of people who have.
You got it right and wrong. Suboxone and Subutex are 2 different things. Also, I should have mentioned you would have to take all 4 3x a day for the first week. I've been through this several times, as I said due to surgery, and I know there are getbiggers out there that may have a similar situation. Suboxone sucks by the way, with the added Nandroxone in it, it works 1/2 as good. Also you have to wait until you hit withdrawl to actually have the take you back out. You can't take a vicodin and Subutex together, good point it will send you into a massive withdrawl! I hope this info helps someone. I'm off everything (pain killers) now.
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Chainsaw,
Has this affected your 500$ a week fish buying habits at all?
Recession has. I'll be back on top though soon. Thanks for you're concern.
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Recession has. I'll be back on top though soon. Thanks for you're concern.
fuck you
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Some of you clowns have it all wrong. Maybe you'll total you're car,
and you'll have some problem, or chronic pains strains ect that actual
bodybuilders have. so anyway, this is here to help. Keep the flaming coming.
All I can say, its made me stronger and wiser, and if 1 person gets something
from this. All the better.
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Suboxone is as bad as the opiates, just as addictive.
I got hurt real bad and was precsribed painkillers and got hooked.
fought it on and off for years with tapering, suboxone, buprinex(shit gets you high as a mofo) with no success.
i finally went cold turkey, was miserable for months and got through it. there really is no other way to get OFF those things
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Suboxone is as bad as the opiates, just as addictive.
I got hurt real bad and was precsribed painkillers and got hooked.
fought it on and off for years with tapering, suboxone, buprinex(shit gets you high as a mofo) with no success.
i finally went cold turkey, was miserable for months and got through it. there really is no other way to get OFF those things
I was hooked on Nubain for almost 2 years, I was up to shooting 6CC's/120mg day IV. Nubain is soooo weak compared to roxies. I quit but I relapsed with roxies going through 13-25 per day (30mg each).
One month ago I went into a detox clinic and they put me on suboxone, I used that crap for a week and kicked it. The stuff is just another opiate. I never got buzzed off subs, it's not possible. I have been about 3.5 weeks sober. Everyday is a challenge and thats how you have to go about things one day at a time.
Opiates are the devil, they will take you and everything you have before you know it. Those who say they are not that bad of a drug have never really used for an extended period of time. I spent around 30K+ in the past 3 years on opiates. What a waste of money and life. A never ending nightmare. I started using to function with nerve damage in my back and a bad knee. Then it got out of hand. If any of you have a problem PM me we can talk.
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Suboxone is as bad as the opiates, just as addictive.
I got hurt real bad and was precsribed painkillers and got hooked.
fought it on and off for years with tapering, suboxone, buprinex(shit gets you high as a mofo) with no success.
i finally went cold turkey, was miserable for months and got through it. there really is no other way to get OFF those things
Subutex is different, and you CANT JUST USE SUBUTEX. ALL the drugs are needed together for stated reason. My first post explains it all. Avoid suboxone, subutex does not have naltroxone that limits subutex ability.
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I was hooked on Nubain for almost 2 years, I was up to shooting 6CC's/120mg day IV. Nubain is soooo weak compared to roxies. I quit but I relapsed with roxies going through 13-25 per day (30mg each).
One month ago I went into a detox clinic and they put me on suboxone, I used that crap for a week and kicked it. The stuff is just another opiate. I never got buzzed off subs, it's not possible. I have been about 3.5 weeks sober. Everyday is a challenge and thats how you have to go about things one day at a time.
Opiates are the devil, they will take you and everything you have before you know it. Those who say they are not that bad of a drug have never really used for an extended period of time. I spent around 30K+ in the past 3 years on opiates. What a waste of money and life. A never ending nightmare. I started using to function with nerve damage in my back and a bad knee. Then it got out of hand. If any of you have a problem PM me we can talk.
Bro good for you, you had a very serious roxicodone addiction. I was taking 9 a day x30. 25 of them, wow, no wonder suboxone wouldn't work. Shit, Heroin wouldn't have worked if you were up to 25 a day.
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Bro good for you, you had a very serious roxicodone addiction. I was taking 9 a day x30. 25 of them, wow, no wonder suboxone wouldn't work. Shit, Heroin wouldn't have worked if you were up to 25 a day.
It's still a battle, it's amazing the long term damage those things (opiates) do to your brain. I am far from cured, but I am doing better than I was. It's having to adapt to normal life again. That is the hard thing and dealing with all the surpressed emotions and the things you did during your addiction. It is very depressing and dark. I wouldn't wish my life on my worse enemy.
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i won't give you shit about drug addiction chainsaw
hope you come out the other side
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i wish i had some opiates
my left knee is fucked for about a week and a half
feels like the hamstring and quad both have a bunch of tiny tears right at the knee. hurts to walk
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i wish i had some opiates
my left knee is fucked for about a week and a half
feels like the hamstring and quad both have a bunch of tiny tears right at the knee. hurts to walk
Your boyfriend likes to play rufff eh?
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Chainsaw wrote
You got it right and wrong. Suboxone and Subutex are 2 different things. Also, I should have mentioned you would have to take all 4 3x a day for the first week. I've been through this several times, as I said due to surgery, and I know there are getbiggers out there that may have a similar situation. Suboxone sucks by the way, with the added Nandroxone in it, it works 1/2 as good. Also you have to wait until you hit withdrawl to actually have the take you back out. You can't take a vicodin and Subutex together, good point it will send you into a massive withdrawl! I hope this info helps someone. I'm off everything (pain killers) now.
If you have been reading my posts, I have on numerious occasion that Subutex, and Suboxone are 2 diffrent drugs .
By the way Subutex is not half as strong as Suboxone its just as strong.It just has Nandroxone in it to stop the addict from relapsing and using drugs.Why would a person take Subutex or Suboxone if they planned on using Vicodin?
That would be stupid.If and addict is truly and addict Suboxone is the better choice, because if a person takes a opiate, such as Vicodin, Percosets, or Loritabs, then the Nanadroxone will block the effects of the opiate.
Chainsaw I dont want to argue with you, you seem like a good duy, your just a lil off track .
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Chainsaw wrote
You got it right and wrong. Suboxone and Subutex are 2 different things. Also, I should have mentioned you would have to take all 4 3x a day for the first week. I've been through this several times, as I said due to surgery, and I know there are getbiggers out there that may have a similar situation. Suboxone sucks by the way, with the added Nandroxone in it, it works 1/2 as good. Also you have to wait until you hit withdrawl to actually have the take you back out. You can't take a vicodin and Subutex together, good point it will send you into a massive withdrawl! I hope this info helps someone. I'm off everything (pain killers) now.
If you have been reading my posts, I have on numerious occasion that Subutex, and Suboxone are 2 diffrent drugs .
By the way Subutex is not half as strong as Suboxone its just as strong.It just has Nandroxone in it to stop the addict from relapsing and using drugs.Why would a person take Subutex or Suboxone if they planned on using Vicodin?
That would be stupid.If and addict is truly and addict Suboxone is the better choice, because if a person takes a opiate, such as Vicodin, Percosets, or Loritabs, then the Nanadroxone will block the effects of the opiate.
Chainsaw I dont want to argue with you, you seem like a good duy, your just a lil off track .
Exactly what Im saying. The Naldroxone in the suboxone does interfere with the action of Subutex. I can speak for myself, as well as other people that I've seen taking it. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE JUNKIE PARTIER THAT TAKES A HANDFUL OF PILLS TO GET OFF. I'M SPEAKING OF SOMEONE WITH BACK INJURIES, CHRONIC PAIN, THAT TAKE A PERSCRIBED DOSAGE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. JUNKIES WILL NEED NALDROXONE, cause they are addicted to the high, not just withdrawling from a perscribed dose.
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Chainsaw, you know that Subutex, and Suboxone would be great for you to stay on for your chronic pain.Since you prefer the Subutex, you could use them instead of narcotic opiates like Lortitabs,Perocsets, and Oxicotins. If you look at recent studies, people with chronic pain have chosen to use Subutex on a daily basis rather then use narcotic pain killers.Because they dont get you high, and you dont need nearly the dosage.I know a man who has chronic pain , he got injured in the military active duty.He takes 20 mg of Subutex a day.He says Subutex saved his life.Before Subutex he a life of constant pain, and he didnt want to take pain killers because when he took them he couldnt function.
Chainsaw since you have so many injuries, and seem to have alot of muscle, you might have to get on a maintenence dosage of Subutex, so you dont live everyday life with chronic pain.They say that 16 mg , 8 mg twice a day is what is recomended for people who live in chronic pain.I wish you luck chainsaw...god bless
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Exactly what Im saying. The Naldroxone in the suboxone does interfere with the action of Subutex. I can speak for myself, as well as other people that I've seen taking it. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE JUNKIE PARTIER THAT TAKES A HANDFUL OF PILLS TO GET OFF. I'M SPEAKING OF SOMEONE WITH BACK INJURIES, CHRONIC PAIN, THAT TAKE A PERSCRIBED DOSAGE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. JUNKIES WILL NEED NALDROXONE, cause they are addicted to the high, not just withdrawling from a perscribed dose.
I was at 253lb when I went in and my pain killer use was off the charts and my withdrawls were extreme. They game me 12mg of subs which induced more withdrawl a valium tab and an injection on Diazanon(I think thats how you spell it)....I finally was not feeling withdrawl, but here was my suboxone schedule, they wanted me to do it for 12 weeks, but not having a job it was not economically feasible for me. Here is what I did and it worked for suboxone
Day 1: 20mg
Day 2: 16mg
Day 3: 8mg
Day 4: 4mg
Day 5: 2mg
Day 6: 2mg
I felt W/D for 3 days, but they were very minor. Nothing like the ones while off of Roxies and Nubain. The longer your on Subs, the harder it will be to get off, W/D's are just as bad, even though you cannot buzz from it. When your off of subs you will be overly sensitive and depressed, subs last in your system for about 3-4 days after your last dose. Get ready for the depression, it's tough. My workouts were nuts though. I am up to the high 250's now and my body started to grow like a weed.
You dont need as much as the doc will give you, it is a mind thing after your original opiate gets out of your system. Subs work, but dont use them for long. It's trading one drug for another trust me.
It will be months until you feel normal, but thats the bed we must sleep in. PM me if you need someone to talk to.
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Lapdances are a good way to take your mind off pain and drugs.
Find a stripper that will trade her services for your pills.
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I never had an injury I just like taking pills ;D
Percocet = good but it made me constipated
Vicodin/Lortab = great but use cold water extraction to ensure your liver is safe.
I've been off for two months but can definatly see how people get addicted. Your tolerance level builds very fast. I was up to 5, 10/500 mg lortabs. Four weeks prior I was good fucked up off of two.
As far as withdraw symptoms....yes they sucked but I just delt with it.
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I never had an injury I just like taking pills ;D
Percocet = good but it made me constipated
Vicodin/Lortab = great but use cold water extraction to ensure your liver is safe.
I've been off for two months but can definatly see how people get addicted. Your tolerance level builds very fast. I was up to 5, 10/500 mg lortabs. Four weeks prior I was good fucked up off of two.
As far as withdraw symptoms....yes they sucked but I just delt with it.
Get liv 52 at wholefoods to clear out that acetominofin from youre liver. It truely works google it.
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Chainsaw, you know that Subutex, and Suboxone would be great for you to stay on for your chronic pain.Since you prefer the Subutex, you could use them instead of narcotic opiates like Lortitabs,Perocsets, and Oxicotins. If you look at recent studies, people with chronic pain have chosen to use Subutex on a daily basis rather then use narcotic pain killers.Because they dont get you high, and you dont need nearly the dosage.I know a man who has chronic pain , he got injured in the military active duty.He takes 20 mg of Subutex a day.He says Subutex saved his life.Before Subutex he a life of constant pain, and he didnt want to take pain killers because when he took them he couldnt function.
Chainsaw since you have so many injuries, and seem to have alot of muscle, you might have to get on a maintenence dosage of Subutex, so you dont live everyday life with chronic pain.They say that 16 mg , 8 mg twice a day is what is recomended for people who live in chronic pain.I wish you luck chainsaw...god bless
You are very correct except, subutex is ONLY licensed for withdrawl from credidted drs. CAnt understand that one, big business I guess. It is an amazing drug, but after surgery, I do need the heavier stuff for a week or two. But, subutex 8mg is fantastic, and I'm glead that someone here does ageree with me. Props! Everyone is different, but This is an alternative to nubain and oxy,, after immediate injury sugery. Get this though, the injectable buprenorphine, is licensed for pain relief, but not the subutex thats for detox and has to be offlable perscribed for pain. I've done both, and the IM injection is better for pain.l..Great Post.
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I was at 253lb when I went in and my pain killer use was off the charts and my withdrawls were extreme. They game me 12mg of subs which induced more withdrawl a valium tab and an injection on Diazanon(I think thats how you spell it)....I finally was not feeling withdrawl, but here was my suboxone schedule, they wanted me to do it for 12 weeks, but not having a job it was not economically feasible for me. Here is what I did and it worked for suboxone
Day 1: 20mg
Day 2: 16mg
Day 3: 8mg
Day 4: 4mg
Day 5: 2mg
Day 6: 2mg
I felt W/D for 3 days, but they were very minor. Nothing like the ones while off of Roxies and Nubain. The longer your on Subs, the harder it will be to get off, W/D's are just as bad, even though you cannot buzz from it. When your off of subs you will be overly sensitive and depressed, subs last in your system for about 3-4 days after your last dose. Get ready for the depression, it's tough. My workouts were nuts though. I am up to the high 250's now and my body started to grow like a weed.
You dont need as much as the doc will give you, it is a mind thing after your original opiate gets out of your system. Subs work, but dont use them for long. It's trading one drug for another trust me.
It will be months until you feel normal, but thats the bed we must sleep in. PM me if you need someone to talk to.
Great job, I hope we can help someone here that may be embarresed to seek help. I know i was at first.
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It's still a battle, it's amazing the long term damage those things (opiates) do to your brain. I am far from cured, but I am doing better than I was. It's having to adapt to normal life again. That is the hard thing and dealing with all the surpressed emotions and the things you did during your addiction. It is very depressing and dark. I wouldn't wish my life on my worse enemy.
Hang in there and get you're strength back. It's tough, you're on pain pills for youre back, but it takes pain away from everywhere, so when you stop, you find you've been straining muscles all the time and not feeling it, and the withdrawl will certainly remind you of that.
This is turning into a good thread fella's, and I hope it can help 1 or more people. PM me if AnyONE needs a little guidance on this issue.
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suck it up. You a gettbigger, you can handle anything.
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Hang in there and get you're strength back. It's tough, you're on pain pills for youre back, but it takes pain away from everywhere, so when you stop, you find you've been straining muscles all the time and not feeling it, and the withdrawl will certainly remind you of that.
This is turning into a good thread fella's, and I hope it can help 1 or more people. PM me if AnyONE needs a little guidance on this issue.
Thanks bro :)
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Never had an opiate problem. Took vicodin before and I hated the effects because it was an absolute drag down that made me tired and edgy.
Worst I've had is a drinking problem which I corrected. All addiction problems are correctable if you have the right amount of will power and positives things around you.
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For me suboxins are a life saver. This is my second time on them. One week on them got me off of a 3 month Roxy bender. After my mom passed, I relapsed on the Roxies. The withdraws were terrible. Sweats, night terrors, irritability. Back on the Suboxin now. If it weren't for the sub's, I'd probably have gotten fired from my job.
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Fucking junkies
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im using xanax and opiates everyday,for the last 2 years or so.i started off using vicodens and percs when i was doing my routine,lifting weights and grappling.ive tried getting off but its hard as hell,im gonna try your method though,thanks bro
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I was at 253lb when I went in and my pain killer use was off the charts and my withdrawls were extreme. They game me 12mg of subs which induced more withdrawl a valium tab and an injection on Diazanon(I think thats how you spell it)....I finally was not feeling withdrawl, but here was my suboxone schedule, they wanted me to do it for 12 weeks, but not having a job it was not economically feasible for me. Here is what I did and it worked for suboxone
Day 1: 20mg
Day 2: 16mg
Day 3: 8mg
Day 4: 4mg
Day 5: 2mg
Day 6: 2mg
Exactly myfriend and good luck with your future health. You did a protocal similar to mine. Lets hope that
people out there and there are right now understand that they CAN GET OFF WITHOUT MASSIVE BASKETBALL DIARIE'S KIND OF
WITHDRAWL. The reason you went into withdrawl at first is because they gave you the Suboxone too soon. You should have probably
waited a little longer for the first withdrawl to accellerate a bit further..
Good luck to ya. I'm proud of ya tool. Withdrawl from opiates is the HARDEST THINIG I'VE EVER HAD TO GO THROUGH MYSELF, UNTIL
i FOUND MY DR takanimi in los angels and when I moved to Vegas, I had a very good detox dr Named Michael Levy.
I urge anyone who is/ or is expecting to get off long term opiate use with questions to PM me, and i'd be happy to help.
C
I felt W/D for 3 days, but they were very minor. Nothing like the ones while off of Roxies and Nubain. The longer your on Subs, the harder it will be to get off, W/D's are just as bad, even though you cannot buzz from it. When your off of subs you will be overly sensitive and depressed, subs last in your system for about 3-4 days after your last dose. Get ready for the depression, it's tough. My workouts were nuts though. I am up to the high 250's now and my body started to grow like a weed.
You dont need as much as the doc will give you, it is a mind thing after your original opiate gets out of your system. Subs work, but dont use them for long. It's trading one drug for another trust me.
It will be months until you feel normal, but thats the bed we must sleep in. PM me if you need someone to talk to.
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Chainsaw, you know that Subutex, and Suboxone would be great for you to stay on for your chronic pain.Since you prefer the Subutex, you could use them instead of narcotic opiates like Lortitabs,Perocsets, and Oxicotins. If you look at recent studies, people with chronic pain have chosen to use Subutex on a daily basis rather then use narcotic pain killers.Because they dont get you high, and you dont need nearly the dosage.I know a man who has chronic pain , he got injured in the military active duty.He takes 20 mg of Subutex a day.He says Subutex saved his life.Before Subutex he a life of constant pain, and he didnt want to take pain killers because when he took them he couldnt function.
Chainsaw since you have so many injuries, and seem to have alot of muscle, you might have to get on a maintenence dosage of Subutex, so you dont live everyday life with chronic pain.They say that 16 mg , 8 mg twice a day is what is recomended for people who live in chronic pain.I wish you luck chainsaw...god bless
I do that now with back pain ect. But after surgery, I did need something more stronger. My dr didn't want me to take to much subutex because you are right, it is Less addicting not totally free of addiction. But in context to opiate's, pure atagonists with no receptor blockers are the real culprit.
I will get a 2mg script to keep around of subutex, after a couple months of nothing, the subutex will work better, and maybe with just 2,4, or 8mgs as needed. Sounds like some of you guys know you're shit. We very on small things, but when it comes to opiates, ive seen people stop coold turkey with very little side effects, Unfortunately most of us are not like that. Spread the word and people like Brad Renfro, Anna smiths kid, and the joker whats his name, that won the award might be with us today.
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Americans seem to love painkiller more then they love themself
haha, seriously. Whats wrong with this "nation"? :-\
all painkiller, sweeteners, and junk food.
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I did get some opiates intravenous after my knee surgery, but these where necessary.
I hated the feeling, being sleepy and drowsy all the time. After that, i had a slight addiction on the Ibuprofen i took some weeks long after the surgery, but that also stopped. It was crazy, at the time i would suddenly feel pain somewhere and *had to* take ibuprofen against it.
After a while i figuered out this was total bullshit, so i stopped taking anything.
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haha, seriously. Whats wrong with this "nation"? :-\
all painkiller, sweeteners, and junk food.
Go ahead and have back surgery without painkillers pal. Or Rotator Cuff or kneee replacement surgery.
This just goes to prove that you didn't read the thread and should probably observe this isn't about JUskies
watching Fast times at ridgemont High, its about serious injries that require long term therapy and range of motion
therapy ect.
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People have no idea how insidious and tough an opiate addiction is. Most of the time the people addicted are not junkies but injured people healing or people who like the feeling and don't realize how bad they are. Suboxone is the best treatment. Methadone is the worst!!
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i tore my bicep and got hooked on pussy
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Chainsaw, would you ever have sucked some dick for drug money? Somebody PM'd me that question to pose to you. I won't name him.
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A recent poll showed that some cities actually have decently high levels of Prozac, and opiates in the water, I kid you not.They did test and people in the cities are consuming so much prescrition medication its showing up in the water.
You ask how, well when you urinate it leaves you body and gets into the water system.I dont remember the cities, but it was an interesting find.
Thats some crazy sh$# huh,? lol. Imagine feeling loopy one day because you got a good dose of Prozac from drinking some water, lol.Or gettig totally sh$# faced because you got a good dose of Oxycontin from drinking a glass of water.This is highly unlikely, but its is something to think about
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I'd rather smoke marijuana for pain relief or take a benzo
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Go ahead and have back surgery without painkillers pal. Or Rotator Cuff or kneee replacement surgery.
This just goes to prove that you didn't read the thread and should probably observe this isn't about JUskies
watching Fast times at ridgemont High, its about serious injries that require long term therapy and range of motion
therapy ect.
what about advil and similar products? most americans seem to pop these every single day.
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my buddy from HS sawed his finger while cleaning some dear meat and became hooked on oxycotton, then started doing anything he could get his hands on. he became a different person. stay away from opiates!
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People have no idea how insidious and tough an opiate addiction is. Most of the time the people addicted are not junkies but injured people healing or people who like the feeling and don't realize how bad they are. Suboxone is the best treatment. Methadone is the worst!!
You are right on the money
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what about advil and similar products? most americans seem to pop these every single day.
Ibuprofen is good. You have to get the perscription kind though. 800mg. It works differently than 4 200 mg advil.
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my buddy from HS sawed his finger while cleaning some dear meat and became hooked on oxycotton, then started doing anything he could get his hands on. he became a different person. stay away from opiates!
If you see him and still all fucked up, jot down my 1st post. Most opiate junkies take the opiates to just not get dope sick. and that myfriend is the worst.
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If you see him and still all fucked up, jot down my 1st post. Most opiate junkies take the opiates to just not get dope sick. and that myfriend is the worst.
Go to some druggie forum and post this crap. Damn, get some help check yourself into a hospital.
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Earl1972 had a sports injury whilst on his high school bowling team.
Ever since then he's been addicted to cock.
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The weird part is all that medication is just for pain. and nothing to treat the origin for your pain.
How come you will fix the problem, if you don't take something for the inflammation.
In brazil and many other countries.we have injectable anti-inflamatory and analgesic.
Everything here is just to get you numb and hooked. you dont feel pain. but... the vicodins and bla bla
they don't cure the inflammation that causes the pain.
And i'm not trashing the american medical system.
Dont get me wrong. 8)
Ps: sorry for my english.
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i know all about methadone addiction,youd rather go to hell and dance with the devil then come off that shit,trust me cause i did
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Go to some druggie forum and post this crap. Damn, get some help check yourself into a hospital.
Stop being such a smart ass! I bet at least 50% of the (bodybuilder) poster on getbig have had/or will have
problem with opiate withdrawls. To me, you sound like a little Jewish boy that hides behind a keyboard making
insults, and drama. Injury is hand and hand with bbing. True BBig, and chick I know will back that up.
Oh yeah by the way, did I force you to click on my thread? If I have that much power, go see a psychiatrist, and get
me "THE CHAINSAW" out of youre head. I'm trying to help people, and all you do is flame... YOu must be a great guy? :-*
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Bump for more Get Big druggies...
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I wouldn't mind some opiates right now. I strained my lower back, and a week's worth of Vicodin sounds pretty good.
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I have alot freinds who are Pharmiscists.I met them in college.You have no idea how bad opiate addiction has become.In the Mormon religion that cant drink alcohol or even take caffiene, but they are allowed to take prescribed medication.In past my freinds that are Pharmiscists have seen a big rise in opiate abuse by straight and narrow Mormons.Its also big the drug of choice for housewives.Opiates take away there pain give them energy, and controls there appetite.Atheltes who are hoooked on opiates have alos become an epidemic.That start out by taking a Loritab after each game for small injuries only to wind up getting hooked on them.
When it comes to opiates and addiction, it has become a epidemic.Normal people with no history of addiction get hooked on opiates because they get prescribed pain medication for a injury, car accident, or back problems.The doctor or Pharmiscists forget to tell these people, by the way "the opiate your taking is very very addicitve".
The person not knowing this information starts taking his pain medication, which releaves his pain but also gets him high thinks wow these things are to good to be true.
When they dont take them they feel like crap, so thats were the addicition starts.
The pharmaceutical companies know dam well how addicitve these pills they are selling are.Opiates have ruined millions of peoples lives, and the sad truth is it only takes a person one pill to get addicted.If you took lets say 4 pills per day for 1 week, then stoped cold turkey, you would have very bad withdrawal syptoms.Like the runs, cold sweats, irritability, naseu, vomiting, and insomnia,.Nice huh !!!!!!!!!
If you have pain go to a chiropractor, put ice on your injury, or take Alieve.What ever you do dont use opiates .Adiction can happy to anyone.It is usually caused by a person feeling mentally and spiritually empty, or bankrupt.The good news is addiction can be overcome by prayer, therapy, a 12 step program, and supports from your peers.
Mst importantly you must replace your negative addiction with a positive addiction.Instead of taking opiates, get high on life, from working out, running or doing things you love to do.If you have a problem with addiction please dont deny the problem ,address the issue,and take control of it, before it takes control of you.
There are good medications that take away the withdrawl symptoms from addiction like Suboxone, and Subutex.Plus if you have any further question I am sure Chainsaw can help you with them because he knows alot more about beating addiction then I do.
I have never experienced addiction, or had any problems with addiction thank god.
But I have seen alot of freinds battle with it, and trust me it has robbed them of there lives................... .I hope this posts helps god bless
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They should legalize marijuana. It would curb the opiate problem and turning junkies into stoners.
The thing with weed is that there's no cold turkey.
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Go to some druggie forum and post this crap. Damn, get some help check yourself into a hospital.
Hey Elite, listen, you may not have had anything like this happen to you, but it is serious.
I'm not glorifying it. I'm trying to help.
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haha, seriously. Whats wrong with this "nation"? :-\
all painkiller, sweeteners, and junk food.
And Champions! You forgot that
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i won't give you shit about drug addiction chainsaw
hope you come out the other side
as i said bro, its all physical, im not taking them for the high, although that i not a bad sideffect.
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When it comes to opiates and addiction, it has become a epidemic.Normal people with no history of addiction get hooked on opiates because they get prescribed pain medication for a injury, car accident, or back problems.The doctor or Pharmiscists forget to tell these people, by the way "the opiate your taking is very very addicitve".The person not knowing this information starts taking his pain medication, which releaves his pain but also gets him high thinks wow these things are to good to be true.
When they dont take them they feel like crap, so thats were the addicition starts.
Spot on. i didn't know a Vicodin from a Vitamin when they started me on them, and no one said "these are very addictive" they just kept refilling my script for over a year.
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Addiction is for the weak minded.
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Who hasn't?
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I have alot freinds who are Pharmiscists.I met them in college.You have no idea how bad opiate addiction has become.In the Mormon religion that cant drink alcohol or even take caffiene, but they are allowed to take prescribed medication.In past my freinds that are Pharmiscists have seen a big rise in opiate abuse by straight and narrow Mormons.Its also big the drug of choice for housewives.Opiates take away there pain give them energy, and controls there appetite.Atheltes who are hoooked on opiates have alos become an epidemic.That start out by taking a Loritab after each game for small injuries only to wind up getting hooked on them.
When it comes to opiates and addiction, it has become a epidemic.Normal people with no history of addiction get hooked on opiates because they get prescribed pain medication for a injury, car accident, or back problems.The doctor or Pharmiscists forget to tell these people, by the way "the opiate your taking is very very addicitve".
The person not knowing this information starts taking his pain medication, which releaves his pain but also gets him high thinks wow these things are to good to be true.
When they dont take them they feel like crap, so thats were the addicition starts.
The pharmaceutical companies know dam well how addicitve these pills they are selling are.Opiates have ruined millions of peoples lives, and the sad truth is it only takes a person one pill to get addicted.If you took lets say 4 pills per day for 1 week, then stoped cold turkey, you would have very bad withdrawal syptoms.Like the runs, cold sweats, irritability, naseu, vomiting, and insomnia,.Nice huh !!!!!!!!!
If you have pain go to a chiropractor, put ice on your injury, or take Alieve.What ever you do dont use opiates .Adiction can happy to anyone.It is usually caused by a person feeling mentally and spiritually empty, or bankrupt.The good news is addiction can be overcome by prayer, therapy, a 12 step program, and supports from your peers.
Mst importantly you must replace your negative addiction with a positive addiction.Instead of taking opiates, get high on life, from working out, running or doing things you love to do.If you have a problem with addiction please dont deny the problem ,address the issue,and take control of it, before it takes control of you.
There are good medications that take away the withdrawl symptoms from addiction like Suboxone, and Subutex.Plus if you have any further question I am sure Chainsaw can help you with them because he knows alot more about beating addiction then I do.
I have never experienced addiction, or had any problems with addiction thank god.
But I have seen alot of freinds battle with it, and trust me it has robbed them of there lives................... .I hope this posts helps god bless
Great Post
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I spent 13 years on opiates, vikes, percs, oxys etc. Went to rehab three times, no luck. Finally tried Suboxone. Used it for 4 months, weened off of it slowly. Worked great. Felt kind of shitty for a few days, but nothing major. I haven't had an opiate in 15 months now, except for one night I did some H. Suboxone works, but you need a plan to get off it. Some doctors want you to be on it indefinitely and that's not a good idea imo.
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What I am about to post is a reality beleive it or not.Most people who get hooked on opiates I beleive are bipolar.I am not SAY ALL I AM SAYING MOST!!!! The reason I say this is I took BOTH Pharmacology classes and Physcology in colloge.If you look at the history on bipolar people, they have taken drugs like Cocaine, Meth, and pain killers, because it puts them in a state of mania .If you know anything about the bipolar disease you know that they have depression and extreme highs.So when they are depressed they will do anything to get out of the depressed state.When your depressed you dont want to do anything.So most of them self mediacate to put themselves in a state of mania, and they go from wanting to do nothing to wanting to take on the world.
I know alot of peope who suffer from Bipolar disorders, including Actor Robin Williams, who admitted to using Cocaine in the early 1980's to put him into mania.When a bipolar person is mania, they can work 24 hrs straight I witnessed it first hand with an employee Rob who used to work for me.I would leave at 7 pm at night, and comeback to my werehouse at 8 am and he would still be working, and wouldnt even be tired.But there were times when he couldnt get out of bed.He was a great guy, he was just bipolar.
So Chainsaw, and other people out there who have a problem with opiates, you might want to look in to wether or not you might be bipolar, or you might suffer from depression.Because depression can cause both physical and emotional pain, and that is why some people self medicate.If untreated depression and bipolar disorders can lead to addiction and a life of instability.......God Bless
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People who typically feel like crap most of the day are the ones who find opiates or other painkillers so appealing. Drugs seem to make things better for people who suffer from various ailments like depression.
Everything is better, everything is clean and bright and everything is possible. No worries. On Opiates.
Off Opiates, everything is crap. Everything is filthy and dark and depressing and nothing really makes a difference in the end. It's all pointless. You hate everyone and everyone hates you.
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Addiction is for the weak minded.
thats what i always say
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If addiction is for the weak minded then 35% of America is all weak minded.The latest statistics say about 35% of American suffer from Alcohol abuse alone, not even including Pot,Prescription Medication, Meth, and Cocaine.
Addiction has nothing to do with a weka mind, it has lot to do with a person being mentally and spiritually bankrupt, or having some form of Chemical imbalance .As I stated before.Alot of people who are bipolar or suffer from schizophrenia used drugs to deal with everyday life.In studies it was shown that things that would be downers for normal people like pain killers, actually put bipolar patients in mania.To the point they were felt like they were on speed.Even in one study they gave Bioplar people Ambien and it kept them wide awake, and made them euphoric.Another very interesting study done not to long ago was on GHB, the date rape drug.They gave Bipolar people 10 gram dosages, which would knock a normal person out for 4 hours.The bioplar patinets had the complete opposite effect, they went into mania.They had alot of energy, and felt great.
Sometimes there is more to addiction them a weak mind.....god bless
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Fell 22 feet on Concrete and Steele.
I hit my head and had a seizure
I tore my right labrum
Broke 22 bones
Herniated my C-3, C-4, L-3 and L-4 Disc in my neck and back
I tore my right right ACL and LCL
I also got Degenerative Disc Disease and arthritis in my upper and lower back
Still walked into the office and called the EMS and then sued their asses
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I spent 13 years on opiates, vikes, percs, oxys etc. Went to rehab three times, no luck. Finally tried Suboxone. Used it for 4 months, weened off of it slowly. Worked great. Felt kind of shitty for a few days, but nothing major. I haven't had an opiate in 15 months now, except for one night I did some H. Suboxone works, but you need a plan to get off it. Some doctors want you to be on it indefinitely and that's not a good idea imo.
Good for you accept for the H. I just take it day by day. Suboxone worked for me as well, I just couldn't stay on it for long it too was addictive. It gave me a false sense of happiness.
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I'm guessing Withdrawel from opiates is similar to panic attacks or very very high levels of anxiety for several days.
Something to be avoided at all costs, for sure
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Why do you need an injury to get hooked on opiates ???
:D Word to ya mother on that! PARTY!!
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People who typically feel like crap most of the day are the ones who find opiates or other painkillers so appealing. Drugs seem to make things better for people who suffer from various ailments like depression.
Everything is better, everything is clean and bright and everything is possible. No worries. On Opiates.
Off Opiates, everything is crap. Everything is filthy and dark and depressing and nothing really makes a difference in the end. It's all pointless. You hate everyone and everyone hates you.
sounds like me
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morphine and benzo's are a wonderful drug when taken correctly ... when taken correctly :( :( :(
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I'm guessing Withdrawel from opiates is similar to panic attacks or very very high levels of anxiety for several days.
Something to be avoided at all costs, for sure
Withdrawal from benzos is like that. Withdrawal from opiates is very severe flu like symptoms and depression.
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listen to danielson------suboxone works great, best treatment out there but DO NOT let your doctor fool you into thinking you have to be on it forever, they're just looking for a paycheck every month.
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I have been getting alot of PM's thanking me for my posts.So I will continue to poston this subject.
I never had a problem with opiates, alcohol or anything for that matter, but I seen what but I seen what addiction did to friends and family memebers.Adiction is like having a 500 lb monkey on your back.Addicts get up in the morning and the fist they think about is doing or obtaining the drug they are addicted to.They spend most of there time and most of there days in search of there drug of choice.Just watch the show Intervension on TV.You see these poor lost souls, give up there lives and there "person' just get there next high.This is usualy caused by being mentally and spiritually bankrupt, or they are running from something.The drug of choice is just a bandage for the deep pain that lies within.It can range from mental pain, physical pain or from a chemical imbalance in the brain.Alot of addicts sometimes have been abused mentally physically or sexually, and they are using a substance to try to not think about the painful experieces of there past.So addiction is not for the weak it is just a person who is bankrupt spirituly or mentally.I dont agree with addiction and I think its the way out.I am just posting this to reach out to those who wrestle with addiction to let them know there is hope.I never been an addict but I have seen what they go through and man its no picnic
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As far as Suboxone -Subutex goes somebody like Chainsaw might have to stay on it the rest of there lives.If someone lives in chronic pain, its either take a crap load of Ibuprophen, get hooked on pain killers or just use 16mg 2-8mg pills of Suboxone-Subutex twice a day.I think Subutex-Suboxone is the best choice because it isnt as addicitive,plus you dont build up a tolerance for it like you do opiates.A person who takes 4 Loritabs lets say for 6 months will probalby need 8 Loritabs per day after being on them for 12 months to get the same effect.If you look at research on opiates a person who uses them builds up a tolerance very quickly.Alot of addicts who have taken up to 20-30 pills a day built up that high of a tolerance only after only 2 years of use.
It sounds crazy, but that the sad reality.I do alot of reading and research, and I was shocked when I read that myself.Imagaine going from just using 4 pills to 20-30 pills in just 2 years????.So before you take opiates just remeber you have been warned
If you are and addict and wrestlewith addiction beleive it or not the best thing to do is pray for strength to over come the adiction.I beleive god answrs all prayers.God bles. and good luck......
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World ON drugs:
(http://www.witchesgathering.com/fairys/utopia.jpg)
World OFF drugs:
(http://medaad.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/medaad-sad-city.jpg)
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The true reailty the top picture is a person who suffers from addiction, the second picture is someone who lives a life worth living, or has overcome addiction.Please do not glamorize addiction, there is nothing great about drugs or addiction
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I'm guessing Withdrawel from opiates is similar to panic attacks or very very high levels of anxiety for several days.
Something to be avoided at all costs, for sure
Yes, you are very correct. Physical dependance, and psychological addiction are different things. You can have a major accident, have to take roxicodone for 3 or 6 months, and then no matter who you are, you will have withdrawls. Some people can stomach it, and bear with it, but not many, and thats why I started this thread. I've havd 5 major surgies from head to toe, and had to be on opiates for months at a time, and therefore had huge withdrawl that was intoerable. Sweats, shakes, diarhea, muscle cramps, sleeplessness for several days at a time. As bodybuilders, we tend to get injured as well, some do Nubain, and get hooked. I simply am lookin to give people an alternative to the massive withdrawl with my experience's.
You are right, stay away if you can, a measly 3 days of heavy opiate use can cause physical withdrawl, the longer you are on them, the worse it is.
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The true reailty the top picture is a person who suffers from addiction, the second picture is someone who lives a life worth living, or has overcome addiction.Please do not glamorize addiction, there is nothing great about drugs or addiction
That picture above is someone in prison, obviously neglected and mistreated. And even addicts can live at the beach.
I'm not glorifying addiction. I'm just telling what it's like to be on drugs and off drugs. Addiction plays no part in it.
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I'm really interested in hearing more of peoples stories that got dependant on
the opiates from an injury, not for mere recreational usage.
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Through all my surgeries Back, Stomach, foot, Hernia, and shoulder,
all within 5 years 2 vicoden no longer does it. Its like candy.
So I had to take Oxycontin, or Roxicodone, or Dilaudid at very high dosages.
Coming off is such a fucking bitch, I'm talkin bout Basketball Diaries.
I know Guy Grundy went through it with Nubain, but I have a solution
if anyone is hooked or gets hooked.
Goto a detox dr and get
Clonidine 1mcg control blood pressure
Rubaxin 500mg muscle relaxer
Ativan 1mg Central nervous depressent
and subutex 8mg. Pain killer
You will not have to go through
the painful withdrawls. You'll be
clean in a month or less.
All of these drugs do something that affects withdrawl seperately
so you don't have to go through the ringer.
Seriously Bro, what the fuck is wrong with you, mentally that is...
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World ON drugs:
(http://www.witchesgathering.com/fairys/utopia.jpg)
World OFF drugs:
(http://medaad.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/medaad-sad-city.jpg)
QFT
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Seriously Bro, what the fuck is wrong with you, mentally that is...
Be more specific Bro?
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And even addicts can live at the beach.
hahah :D
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Russia has the best policy for dealing with addicts, esp. H addicts, they're thrown into 'cold turkey' prison for 3 months, living on bread and water, tied to a bed for 18 hours a day, until all symptoms of withdrawal pass... States are too compassionate.
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Russia has the best policy for dealing with addicts, esp. H addicts, they're thrown into 'cold turkey' prison for 3 months, living on bread and water, tied to a bed for 18 hours a day, until all symptoms of withdrawal pass... States are too compassionate.
THAT should be the only way to deal with these people. In other countries, they get the drugs from the state on tax-payer's money. :-X
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Russia has the best policy for dealing with addicts, esp. H addicts, they're thrown into 'cold turkey' prison for 3 months, living on bread and water, tied to a bed for 18 hours a day, until all symptoms of withdrawal pass... States are too compassionate.
Anyone over there caught on any kind of high is thrown into prison?
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Through all my surgeries Back, Stomach, foot, Hernia, and shoulder,
all within 5 years 2 vicoden no longer does it. Its like candy.
So I had to take Oxycontin, or Roxicodone, or Dilaudid at very high dosages.
Coming off is such a fucking bitch, I'm talkin bout Basketball Diaries.
I know Guy Grundy went through it with Nubain, but I have a solution
if anyone is hooked or gets hooked.
Goto a detox dr and get
Clonidine 1mcg control blood pressure
Rubaxin 500mg muscle relaxer
Ativan 1mg Central nervous depressent
and subutex 8mg. Pain killer
You will not have to go through
the painful withdrawls. You'll be
clean in a month or less.
All of these drugs do something that affects withdrawl seperately
so you don't have to go through the ringer.
i have been through it more then once. And subutex is the worst advice you could give. Suboxen and subutex are opiate antagonists themselves and extremley powerful at that. 2mg of suboxen would cause me to nod harder then an 80mg oc. Not to mention the withdrawl from them is ten times worse then the opiates themselves. Im talking like months of severe depression, diahrhea, cramps... paws syndrome for 24 months.
You are trading one addiction for another. Sub is being regulated hard now and even illegal and off the market in europe because opiate users started to prefer it over the DOC(drug of choice) Sub is worse then methadone. you wanna quit and do it right, follow the thomas recipe (amino protocol) The clonodine is a must if bp and anxiety are aweful, ativan is a good choice for a benzo, but valium is even better since it is skeletal you wont need a muscle relaxer with it. Its also the least addivtive of the benzos
Immodium AD ( the little green ones only or liquid) will be a life saver for the first two weeks. Taking upto 6mg's a day will cut the wd's in half just by itself. The main drug in it is an opiate that doesnt cross the blood brain barrier so you dont get the high or the aweful side effects you do with opiates. Just use it sparringly and as little as possible to get the job done.
Exercise will be the most important thing, for me it was a life saver. Even a walk helped me. I have gotten dozens or hard core addicts off with the method i came up with and myself included. I dont wish opiate detox on my worst enemy. I got alot of my method from the celeberity florida detox center. They charge upto 25k just for two weeks there. They do not use methadone or suboxen/subutex anymore either. They use IV aminos, ssri's light benzos and therapy. Tramadol will cut all WD out for you but thats also a very crippling addivtive drug in the wrong hands and seizures come with it. But if you can control your habit and it wasnt a recreational one it can be a life saver and its also the latest pain reliever to replace opiates. Most Dr's go this route first now. Only problem is, its being put into the same class as opiates next year because its actually not non narcotic and has same wd symptoms as vicoden/perc when taken for extended periods in high dose. The other problem with tramadol is that it has an antidepresent in it which makes the coming off even worse. You can get the thomas recipe some of the big name detox centers methods, and lots of good info and help from the medhelp forums here
http://www.medhelp.org/forums/show/77
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I have been getting alot of PM's thanking me for my posts.So I will continue to poston this subject.
I never had a problem with opiates, alcohol or anything for that matter, but I seen what but I seen what addiction did to friends and family memebers.Adiction is like having a 500 lb monkey on your back.Addicts get up in the morning and the fist they think about is doing or obtaining the drug they are addicted to.They spend most of there time and most of there days in search of there drug of choice.Just watch the show Intervension on TV.You see these poor lost souls, give up there lives and there "person' just get there next high.This is usualy caused by being mentally and spiritually bankrupt, or they are running from something.The drug of choice is just a bandage for the deep pain that lies within.It can range from mental pain, physical pain or from a chemical imbalance in the brain.Alot of addicts sometimes have been abused mentally physically or sexually, and they are using a substance to try to not think about the painful experieces of there past.So addiction is not for the weak it is just a person who is bankrupt spirituly or mentally.I dont agree with addiction and I think its the way out.I am just posting this to reach out to those who wrestle with addiction to let them know there is hope.I never been an addict but I have seen what they go through and man its no picnic
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As far as Suboxone -Subutex goes somebody like Chainsaw might have to stay on it the rest of there lives.If someone lives in chronic pain, its either take a crap load of Ibuprophen, get hooked on pain killers or just use 16mg 2-8mg pills of Suboxone-Subutex twice a day.I think Subutex-Suboxone is the best choice because it isnt as addicitive,plus you dont build up a tolerance for it like you do opiates.A person who takes 4 Loritabs lets say for 6 months will probalby need 8 Loritabs per day after being on them for 12 months to get the same effect.If you look at research on opiates a person who uses them builds up a tolerance very quickly.Alot of addicts who have taken up to 20-30 pills a day built up that high of a tolerance only after only 2 years of use.
It sounds crazy, but that the sad reality.I do alot of reading and research, and I was shocked when I read that myself.Imagaine going from just using 4 pills to 20-30 pills in just 2 years????.So before you take opiates just remeber you have been warned
If you are and addict and wrestlewith addiction beleive it or not the best thing to do is pray for strength to over come the adiction.I beleive god answrs all prayers.God bles. and good luck......
who ever told your sub wasnt addictive should be shot in the face. It was the worst withdrawl i ever had. You might wanna look up the horror stories on it.
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Be more specific Bro?
OK...Were you held too much as a child or not enough???
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OK...Were you held too much as a child or not enough???
why don't you just shut up and train?
just kidding. ;D ;D
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People have a right to be addicted to drugs.
If they aren't causing problems for other people and choose not to quit using, no one has a right to force them to stop using drugs. It is their bodies and their decisions. ONLY IF they are negatively affecting other people can the state or government do anything about it.
Not all addicts are crazies who steal for a fix and are all fucked up. In fact, it's an illusion because the only one's we hear about are those kinds. MANY are contributing citizens who simply have a habit.
The word "addict" is a confusing word. It implies somehow a slave or prisoner to the drug. That is false in most cases. More often than not, a drug user can be physically addicted to a substance but still be in total control of their bodies and their free will. They could quit if they decided to, go through a withdrawal, and be done with it. Many others simply don't want to quit.
Also, for a lot of people, drugs are NECESSARY. Some people suffer from various mental ailments such as depression, anxiety, psychosis, etc. and prescription drugs commonly used for treating these things simply don't work but rather illegal drugs or other types of drugs work better. These people can NOT be functional members of society without the drugs that they self medicate with.
It's a FALLACY to assume that all people are the same and no one needs drugs to live a happy life.
Keep Big Brother out of the people's lives.
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I could see how it is very easy to get addicted to opiates or benzos. Other drugs I find hard to see how people get truly addicted.
Alcohol=hangovers, stomach problems, making an ass out of yourself. Although socially many people are pyschologically addicted.
cocaine=fun for a little while, but gets old after a few hours. not that great
crack/meth: if you try these, you are giving up on life anyway
hallucinogens=most people sooner or later have a bad experience and stop.
marijuana=easily addictive for many people
i dont know what other drugs are out there
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who ever told your sub wasnt addictive should be shot in the face. It was the worst withdrawl i ever had. You might wanna look up the horror stories on it.
Very true, WD's happen with only a few days of use. Not the worst physical WD's I've experienced, but the emotional WD's were the worst. The depression was out of control and I had zero energy. It takes a very long time for the body to get used to nothing again. It's a nightmare, I feel sorry for the people that are hooked on IR Roxies right now, the shortage is making alot of people losing their minds.
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what is serious depression like?
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Junkies
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methadone withdrawel is the worst
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i have a desk full of painkillers and joint relief meds the doc gave me.
thank god i didn't need them. therapy fixed what ended up being a strained biceps tendon.
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what is serious depression like?
indescribable, if you are an introvert could be deadly. Surround yourself with friends and try to stay busy.
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Very true, WD's happen with only a few days of use. Not the worst physical WD's I've experienced, but the emotional WD's were the worst. The depression was out of control and I had zero energy. It takes a very long time for the body to get used to nothing again. It's a nightmare, I feel sorry for the people that are hooked on IR Roxies right now, the shortage is making alot of people losing their minds.
Very true, the depression from coming off subs is almost bad enough to make you want to hit the Roxies again. It just comes down to looking at the long run though. Would you rather feel like shit and not motivated, or feel like your crawling out of your skin and shitting and vomiting non stop. I'll never touch willingly touch an opiate again.
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ive been through hell with drugs,the one reason i gave up cocaine was cause my son was born 2 and a half years ago.i just couldnt see giving my connect 60 bucks for coke when i could buy my son some nice toys or buy my wife something nice.it all comes down to priorities imo,it wasnt only the money,i didnt want to be around my baby son all tweeked out from cocaine,i just didnt think it was right.but to each his own and im not knockin no one that does.ill use xanax sometimes now cause i have sleep disorders,i try to use them sparingly cause benzos are a nasty habit to break also
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very true, it's all priorities. I hear you on the sleep disorder, why do you think I'm still up?
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indescribable, if you are an introvert could be deadly. Surround yourself with friends and try to stay busy.
Surrounding yourself with people when you hate people could also be deadly. My tolerance for "people" is low and overdose isn't uncommon. I need wide open spaces.
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Surrounding yourself with people when you hate people could also be deadly. My tolerance for "people" is low and overdose isn't uncommon. I need wide open spaces.
really, you seem like such a 'people person' :D
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methadone withdrawel is the worst
I agree the worst withdrawal was methadone
hardest to withdraw from
1. methadone
2. Fentanyl
3. tramadol
4. Oxycodone
5. Buprenorphine(subox)
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OK...Were you held too much as a child or not enough???
Oh, you just feel like being an asshole. just tryin to get youre post count up.
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I agree the worst withdrawal was methadone
hardest to withdraw from
1. methadone
2. Fentanyl
3. tramadol
4. Oxycodone
5. Buprenorphine(subox)
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