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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Bindare_Dundat on February 27, 2009, 08:12:05 AM
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Anyone care to verify?
The "United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves ... The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China."
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Rmeember this?
China Needs U.S. Guarantees for Treasuries, Yu Says (Update2)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&sid=a_dsDz145J_A
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"in common law legal systems this is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent."
Are you sure about this? Why the hell are we spending like this, potentially selling out our country. WTF!
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"in common law legal systems this is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent."
Are you sure about this? Why the hell are we spending like this, potentially selling out our country. WTF!
Im not sure and it seems highly unlikely but in today's enviroment NOTHING surprises me.
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more chinese restaurants around here. I like that!
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more chinese restaurants around here. I like that!
Obama could tell you to eat his shit and you would love it. You have completely embarassed yourself .
BTW - how are things in Ft. Meyers since ZERO came down there and promised everyone the world?
Are the blind seeing yet?
The deaf hearing???
I heard your messiah parts seas and walks on water.
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it's still broke-as-hell down here, yes of course.
in case you didn't notice, my comment was sarcasm. anyone with a brain would know this is a horrible arangement. But what choice does he have? they stop lending, and it's suddenly the middle ages here in the USA my friend.
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Increasing our dependence on foreign countries right now makes perfect sense.
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I'M CALLING BS ON THIS BINDARE.
There's not one scrap of information suggesting this ever happened. As far as I can find, your post is the only information on the internet saying this unless it's in video or audio format only. So as it stands now, I'm calling hoax on this. I would also really like to know where you got this from? source please?
While I have not heard any of this either Hugo...at this point I am ready to believe it. I said this to some friends quite a while ago that the government of america only last hope is to start selling off chucks of america to the nations it is so indebted to. Now I can not see the Chinese, Japanese, various European nations coming to seize personal assets of citizens here, I can see them taking ownerships of large swaths of land. For example...the Chinese could come to own California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona...the Japanese Oregon, Washington state, and Idaho on the east coast the Europeans could take states from Maryland up to Maine, Saudis whom america owes FIVE TRILLION to could claim the whole southeast...etc etc etc. They could then impose new taxes, change laws, claim natural resources/mineral rights, use the land as extension to their own countries and since they own these rights to all of these things, the citizens in these states would have no rights at all and would be displaced. It is not far fetched at all to believe that these back room deals have been worked out. For those of you who THINK you have CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS...start laughing now. Most you you don't even begin to know the constitution of america and certainly could not defend your rights against the legal system in america which is actually ANTI-CITIZEN. If I were you I would not dismiss this claim, but would research it more....you may find out it bears full truth.
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While I have not heard any of this either Hugo...at this point I am ready to believe it. I said this to some friends quite a while ago that the government of america only last hope is to start selling off chucks of america to the nations it is so indebted to. Now I can not see the Chinese, Japanese, various European nations coming to seize personal assets of citizens here, I can see them taking ownerships of large swaths of land. For example...the Chinese could come to own California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona...the Japanese Oregon, Washington state, and Idaho on the east coast the Europeans could take states from Maryland up to Maine, Saudis whom america owes FIVE TRILLION to could claim the whole southeast...etc etc etc. They could then impose new taxes, change laws, claim natural resources/mineral rights, use the land as extension to their own countries and since they own these rights to all of these things, the citizens in these states would have no rights at all and would be displaced. It is not far fetched at all to believe that these back room deals have been worked out. For those of you who THINK you have CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS...start laughing now. Most you you don't even begin to know the constitution of america and certainly could not defend your rights against the legal system in america which is actually ANTI-CITIZEN. If I were you I would not dismiss this claim, but would research it more....you may find out it bears full truth.
What would Americans have left? Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, & Nebraska? Oh my! Be afraid, ...be very afraid! :o
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bindare, what's the source of this info so we can look into it as requested?
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bindare, what's the source of this info so we can look into it as requested?
The assertion makes no sense so there's probably no source except The Onion, LOL!
The Kyoto accords would have allowed UN forces the ability to enforce compliance on US soil. :)
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What would Americans have left? Arkansas, Oklahoma, Kansas, & Nebraska? Oh my! Be afraid, ...be very afraid! :o
American would have NOTHING...as they have NEVER owned anything anyway. That has been the ILLUSION in america....the DREAM that "IT IS YOURS"...... Maybe those other nations will allow americans to stay on the land, but will be subject to the laws of the host country. So if China owned the west cioast, all the new laws and regulations would be whatever they are in China....Again none of this is far fetched to me as americans are not aware that they are seen by their government more as chattle...something to be used for a purpose and then disposed of. Nonetheless one way or another america has to PAY OFF ITS DEBT....and you all or the land may be that collateral needed to do so....
BTW there was talk before of CONCENTRATION CAMPS being built in america to house americans who would be deemed a problem, terrorist, revolutionist, anti governent, etc etc. People laughed when they heard about it until Halliburton and KBR mentioned that they were being built to deal with immigrants (yeah right) some of these camps can hold a million people each....could quickly be used to house americans who protest to NWO regulations
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/5/12367/89592
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bindare, what's the source of this info so we can look into it as requested?
sorry bud, been working all day, I'm not like the rest of the multi millionaire getbiggers. :D
Let me see if I can remember where I saw it.
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sorry bud, been working all day, I'm not like the rest of the multi millionaire getbiggers. :D
Let me see if I can remember where I saw it.
no problem, cool.
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sorry bud, been working all day, I'm not like the rest of the multi millionaire getbiggers. :D
lol :D
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So if we can't pay back our debts China gets my house? Is that the jist here?
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I haven't been able to connect this story with anything remotely substantial now that I looked into it further. Just rumors?
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So if we can't pay back our debts China gets my house? Is that the jist here?
They get the house and YOU!!!!....So put on your wooden sandal and be prepared to learn a new language and make abacus boards
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I like chinese food....don't worry samson....we'll make sure to take over whatever 3rd world shithole ur from before China buys us out completely.
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Oh please. National Enquirer stuff.
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Oh please. National Enquirer stuff.
Kinda like the Edwards affair and love child?
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Kinda like the Edwards affair and love child?
More like George Bush bribing the media or the CIA controlling the media.
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More like George Bush bribing the media or the CIA controlling the media.
Well we all know that was true. Further validated by spooks spying on the American media.
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Well we all know that was true. Further validated by spooks spying on the American media.
Only kooks know that to be true.
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Oh please. National Enquirer stuff.
a day late and dollar short, what's new...
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I like chinese food....don't worry samson....we'll make sure to take over whatever 3rd world shithole ur from before China buys us out completely.
But america is a third world resource-less shithole....
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a day late and dollar short, what's new...
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I'm just busting balls ;D
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More like ... the CIA controlling the media.
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Here is some of the latest info on the Eminent Domain issue with China. There is a list of information regarding the debts america owes China and how China now controls america...INTERESTING...
US Gives China Eminent
Domain Over US Property
Beyond High Treason
A. True Ott, PhD, ND
2-28-9
Let's connect some dots today, boys and girls to learn about the HIGHEST POSSIBLE TREASON that has happened in this country.
THIS IS AS REAL AND AS UGLY AS IT CAN GET.
Dot #1 China begins its covert war on the FREE American republic in the 1950's by taking over much of the PHARMACEUTICAL DRUG manufacturing for American and British Big Pharma. This is an outgrowth of the Rothschild's OPIUM RING PROCESSING by the British West Indies company during the 1800's, and is brokered by the "City of London" and Washington D.C.
Dot #2 Arch-illuminist and satanist Henry Kissinger "normalizes" trade relations with China during the Nixon years.
Dot #3 Eventual LDS (Mormon) Church President Gordon B. Hinckley, via the church-owned Polynesian Cultural Center in Hawaii, establishes a "hard currency" pipeline with Bejing, exchanging bank "trade credits" for CIA/BRITISH MI6 DRUG SERVICES RENDERED into hard GOLD AND SILVER while hiding behind the cloak of "World Religion". This is facilitated via the LDS-Church built and controlled "Shenzhen Special Economic Zone" adjacent to Hong Kong. When Hinckley is made LDS President, his first "official" visit as "World Prophet" is to China, where the Chinese Communist leaders give him a hero's welcome and a confetti parade. (See attached paper --- "Pensees of a Puzzled Pilgrim" pp 5-6 and Desert News, June 1, 1996 article: "President Hinckley Visits China").
Dot #4 Arkansas natives Bill Clinton and Sam Walton massively increase contracts with China's factories over 2,000%. This results in a tremendous imbalance of trade with China. Thanks to the Mormon "Special Economic Zone" -- China's communist leaders begin amassing incredible "real" wealth in gold and silver.
Dot #5 China purchases TRILLIONS of dollars worth of U.S. Treasury Bills and Bonds, paying for it with gold and silver provided by the Shenzhen Economic Zone exchanges. Much of the U.S. "national debt" is purchased from the private "Federal Reserve" banks in this manner.
Dot #6 Dr. Jeff Taubenberger of the U.S. Institute of Pathology in Ft. Dedrick MD, (The world headquarters for biologic weapons development) successfully maps the genome of the 1918 killer "flu" virus responsible for the 1918 "pandemic" that killed millions.
The worst killer virus ever to plague mankind is now ready to be used as a covert "weapon" disguised as a natural "influenza" mutations.
Dot #6 July, 2005: The Illuminati-conrolled United Nations announces that the world is long over-due for an "influenza pandemic". The H5N1 "Avian Flu" is wrongfully demonized as a COVER.
Dot #7 December 2005: The Chinese Defense Minister, Chi Haotiaon delivers a speech to the Chinese military leaders outlining the inevitable "expansion" of China into Canada, the U.S., and Australia -- He justifies this because of Chinese racial "superiority" and thus "emminent domain". To accomplish this, American would first have to be "Cleansed" by means of a powerful "biological weapon" --- causing 150 -200 MILLION AMERICAN DEATHS!!! The plan would be enacted AFTER the symbolic OLYMPIC GAMES beginning at the sacred day of 8-08-08 are concluded. China begins buying oil and gas futures, spiking the worldwide prices to historic levels.
Dot #8 March 13, 2008: A secret meeting is conducted for the U.S. House and Senate. Agents of the Club of Rome give a preview of upcoming events to elected officials who first swear an oath of secrecy. The traitors are briefed that the economy will begin its collapse in October, 2008 -- and will TOTALLY collapse in mid 2009. As events unfold in 2009-2010, Congress was told of the real possibily of massive civil unrest and even Civil War being waged. Detention camps constructed to imprison civil 'agitators'. See http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/34877
for the complete meeting agenda.
Dot #9 In September, 2008 -- as soon as the Olympics are concluded, China stops buying oil and gas futures while dumping U.S. Treasury bills and bonds. Gasoline prices plummet, while the U.S. mortgage loan money becomes tightly constricted. The Club of Rome's agenda is being implemented perfectly.
Dot #10 In October, just as explained in March, the economy indeed begins its collapse with mortgage banks going bankrupt as the Chinese dump their U.S. Securities. This causes a world-wide "rush to liquidity" as money supplies DRASTICALLY tighten.
Dot #11 Billions of worthless U.S. Government "bailout" debit entries are given to bolster failing U.S. Banks. These are "worthless" because China now controls most of the U.S. "REAL" wealth in the form of gold and silver. China refuses to continue investing credit loans to the U.S. Treasury.
Dot #12 Barack Hussein Obama is elected, promising "Change you can believe in." After taking office in January, Obama sends Hillary Clinton on a critical mission to China and helps write H.R. 45 -- a complete grab of America's guns ala Adolph Hitler. State leaders who understand what Clinton and Obama agenda with China is about, are seeking legal "Sovereignty" to prevent the loss of property to a foreign power.
Dot #13 China agrees to continue investing in U.S. Treasury Bills only after securing the right of "eminent domain" to physically repossess foreclosed American PRIVATE PROPERTY. This move is the equivalent of an unconditional surrender following a bloody war.
This also gives the Chinese military the LEGAL RIGHT to use biological weaponry to "Clean up America all at once". It gives them the legal right to use deadly force in removing trespassing Americans from occupying Chinese real estate.
Connect these 13 evil dots, and this is what you get:
FEDS GRANT EMINENT DOMAIN AS COLLATERAL TO CHINA FOR U.S. DEBTS
BEIJING, China -- Sources at the United States Embassy in Beijing China have just CONFIRMED that the United States of America has tendered to China a written agreement which grants to the People's Republic of China, an option to exercise Eminent Domain within the USA, as collateral for China's continued purchase of US Treasury Notes and existing US Currency reserves.
The written agreement was brought to Beijing by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and was formalized and agreed-to during her recent trip to China.
This means that in the event the US Government defaults on its financial obligations to China, the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take -- inside the USA -- land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government.
Put simply, the feds have now actually mortgaged the physical land and property of all citizens and businesses in the United States. They have given to a foreign power, their Constitutional power to "take" all of our property, as actual collateral for continued Chinese funding of US deficit spending and the continued carrying of US national debt.
This is an unimaginable betrayal of every man, woman and child in the USA. An outrage worthy of violent overthrow.
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Eminent Domain is the power of government to TAKE private property for public use without the consent of the property owner. Under our Constitution, the government can only "take" when providing "just compensation" for what they've taken.
Who decides what constitutes "just compensation?" The government!
Homeowners who felt the government was not paying them enough for property in past "takings" have filed lawsuits. In absolutely every such case, the value placed upon the property by the government was upheld by the courts.
Our federal government has now granted to China, this power to "take"our homes and businesses in the event the US Gov't defaults on its debts. Let's play this out as a worst case scenario. . . .
The US Gov't goes belly-up and China comes in and says, "they owed us $2 Trillion in Treasury Notes and another $2 Trillion in actual cash money which is now worthless. We are taking the entire state of Hawaii and the entire state of California in lieu of this bad debt. "
With the stroke of a Chinese chop stick, Hawaii and California -- all the land and buildings in those states -- are now owned by China.
The "taking" would be a "valid public use" because it was "taken" in payment of the public debt!!!!
China could then turn around and declare the value of all that land to be worth. . . . . I dunno, ten cents on a dollar?
For your $200,000 house, you get a Chinese check for $20,000.
Needless to say, the property owners would go ballistic and demand "just compensation" for what was taken. Who gets to decide what is "just?" China! Don't think you got a fair price for what they took? No problem, sue China.
You'll lose.
People who live in those states and own their land outright, might be able to negotiate with China to "rent" back their own property, as long as the property owner continued to pay all his taxes; but the land and buildings would belong to China.
This is what our own Government has just done to us and it is the single most vile act of betrayal in the history of human existence.
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In early February nine U.S. States began the process of re- asserting their Sovereignty pursuant to the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the US Constitution; declaring null and void any actions by Congress that violated the Constitution.
The states took action to make certain the feds couldn't give away cities or the states themselves!
This situation is going to get VERY ugly, VERY fast as one sovereign power (the feds) try to literally give away the land of other sovereign powers, (the states). This is the type of thing that starts Civil War.
Our present federal government makes the treachery and betrayal of Benedict Arnold look like child's play.
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Interesting read, thanks for posting.
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Hoax to get Americans scared and angry. Bullshit is what it is.
1. Eminent domain ONLY deals with local governments taking land for absolute necessity and they must pay the owner fair market price.
2. The Federal govt. has no ability to do this.
3. The Executive branch has no ability to do this.
4. The federal government could NEVER enforce this.
5. China could NEVER enforce this.
It's all nonsense. Even if it were true, what's going to happen? Just imagine the police trying to enforce this, or better yet, China. Impossible.
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Hoax to get Americans scared and angry. Bullshit is what it is.
1. Eminent domain ONLY deals with local governments taking land for absolute necessity and they must pay the owner fair market price.
2. The Federal govt. has no ability to do this.
3. The Executive branch has no ability to do this.
4. The federal government could NEVER enforce this.
Unless I'm mistaken look into NAFTA Super Highway.
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Hoax to get Americans scared and angry. Bullshit is what it is.
1. Eminent domain ONLY deals with local governments taking land for absolute necessity and they must pay the owner fair market price.
2. The Federal govt. has no ability to do this.
3. The Executive branch has no ability to do this.
4. The federal government could NEVER enforce this.
5. China could NEVER enforce this.
It's all nonsense. Even if it were true, what's going to happen? Just imagine the police trying to enforce this, or better yet, China. Impossible.
Most of your points could be changed and not applicable to a communist country.
Why, then are states starting to declare sovreignty.....all of a sudden?
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It would require changing the constitution. Literally. So it ain't going to happen.
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Hoax to get Americans scared and angry. Bullshit is what it is.
1. Eminent domain ONLY deals with local governments taking land for absolute necessity and they must pay the owner fair market price. Eminent domain is NOT for local issues only...especially when it concerns interstate or national interests...also they determine what is a FAIR price...and their idea of fair is NOT what you would deem fair (ten cents on the dollar at best)
2. The Federal govt. has no ability to do this. Of course americas federal government has the right to do this...how do you think your highways, dams, powerplants, interstate roads were all built.
3. The Executive branch has no ability to do this. OK...keep believing
4. The federal government could NEVER enforce this. Oh YES THEY CAN...You are in a NEW america now.
5. China could NEVER enforce this. They can if america is indebted to them to the tune of over TWO TRILLION DOLLARS...and still wants to borrow
It's all nonsense. Even if it were true, what's going to happen? Just imagine the police trying to enforce this, or better yet, China. Impossible. You think all of those military drills being conducted in america are for the supposed terrorist in other nations??? NOT!!!...They are for YOU!
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It would require changing the constitution. Literally. So it ain't going to happen.
Bush's "patriot act" destroys many points in the constitution. Govt doesn't have a use for it unless its convenient for their cause......
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Eminent domain is NOT for local issues only...especially when it concerns interstate or national interests...also they determine what is a FAIR price...and their idea of fair is NOT what you would deem fair (ten cents on the dollar at best)
Of course americas federal government has the right to do this...how do you think your highways, dams, powerplants, interstate roads were all built.
OK...keep believing
Oh YES THEY CAN...You are in a NEW america now.
They can if america is indebted to them to the tune of over TWO TRILLION DOLLARS...and still wants to borrow
You think all of those military drills being conducted in america are for the supposed terrorist in other nations??? NOT!!!...They are for YOU!
Dammit! When will you people learn to quote properly?! >:(
That said, ...very interesting, ...and not outside of the realm of possibility. :o
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Dammit! When will you people learn to quote properly?! >:(
That said, ...very interesting, ...and not outside of the realm of possibility. :o
Im not good at quoting boxes. But if you need your car pushed out of a snowdrift, then the Warhorse is there!! :)
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Im not good at quoting boxes. But if you need your car pushed out of a snowdrift, then the Warhorse is there!! :)
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What's your number? I might take you up on that. {lol}
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Unless I'm mistaken look into NAFTA Super Highway.
we need to have a thread devoted just to this. NAU related.
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Im not good at quoting boxes. But if you need your car pushed out of a snowdrift, then the Warhorse is there!! :)
Well, we are going to get pounded with snow today and tomorrow here in the east coast. They're talking about 8 inches to a foot (locally). It's probably going to be more like a foot and a half here north of New York, so please come over and dig me wheels out tomorrow morning... 4:50ish.
Cheers.
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Hoax to get Americans scared and angry. Bullshit is what it is.
1. Eminent domain ONLY deals with local governments taking land for absolute necessity and they must pay the owner fair market price.
2. The Federal govt. has no ability to do this.
3. The Executive branch has no ability to do this.
4. The federal government could NEVER enforce this.
5. China could NEVER enforce this.
It's all nonsense. Even if it were true, what's going to happen? Just imagine the police trying to enforce this, or better yet, China. Impossible.
Maybe it will start with Police going door to door and un-arming American citizens in the name of safety - just like they did during Katrina.
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Ok first of all Eminant Domain is a power that can be exercised by ALL levels of government at the local, state and federal level. All that needs to be done to not violate the takings clause of the 5th amendment ( federal) or 14th amendment (state) is for the owner of the property to be paid just compensation. In addition, the lands purpose must be for PUBLIC use. So in essence, property owners would have to be paid in accordance with the value of their land and the land would have to be transformed into something useful to the public. Now, that is supposed to mean schools, hospitals, etc. However, the Supreme Court has ruled in other cases that the construction of a corporate park and facilities fell into the public use catagory because JOBS were being created for the locality, property values would increase etc. [ This happened in Conneticut and the facility was built by Pfizer--- I think the name of the case was Kelo v. City of New London or something like that]
That last bit is what makes me think it's hard to belive this story is true. What possible public use could American's gauge from Chinese government owned property? But... with the economy the way it is and these brain trusts running our government, stranger things have happened. In this day and age who the hell knows. One things for sure, the government would have to essentially throw the constitutition out the window to make this happen.
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Ok first of all Eminant Domain is a power that can be exercised by ALL levels of government at the local, state and federal level. All that needs to be done to not violate the takings clause of the 5th amendment ( federal) or 14th amendment (state) is for the owner of the property to be paid just compensation. In addition, the lands purpose must be for PUBLIC use. So in essence, property owners would have to be paid in accordance with the value of their land and the land would have to be transformed into something useful to the public. Now, that is supposed to mean schools, hospitals, etc. However, the Supreme Court has ruled in other cases that the construction of a corporate park and facilities fell into the public use catagory because JOBS were being created for the locality, property values would increase etc. [ This happened in Conneticut and the facility was built by Pfizer--- I think the name of the case was Kelo v. City of New London or something like that]
That last bit is what makes me think it's hard to belive this story is true. What possible public use could American's gauge from Chinese government owned property? But... with the economy the way it is and these brain trusts running our government, stranger things have happened. In this day and age who the hell knows. One things for sure, the government would have to essentially throw the constitutition out the window to make this happen.
Your american government has long since disposed of the constitution....how come you don't know this???? The bulk of court cases in america deal with the violation of constitutional rights and even the courts are the main violators of ones rights....please let go of that american dream already of a land where you have rights that are protected....
BTW as someone else said...THE PATRIOT ACT DECIMATED THE CONSTITUTION AND YOUR RIGHTS AFTER 911
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Taxing people from the time they wake up till they go to sleep in every activity has no less harmful effect.
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Your american government has long since disposed of the constitution....how come you don't know this???? The bulk of court cases in america deal with the violation of constitutional rights and even the courts are the main violators of ones rights....please let go of that american dream already of a land where you have rights that are protected....
BTW as someone else said...THE PATRIOT ACT DECIMATED THE CONSTITUTION AND YOUR RIGHTS AFTER 911
Amen...
We have no Organic Constitution. We have a corporate Constitution which holds NO weight in our Admiralty Court system which operates under Uniform Commercial Code - NOT the original Constitution FOR the united states of America.
If this is beyond anyone's belief, try using the constitution the next time you are in court. You will be held in contempt and laughed at... However, try using UCC-103 if you know what you are doing, and you will get a much different response from the Judge.
The original organic constitution has been overlayed by a Corporate Constitution OF the United Stats of America. It's all limited liability corporations now and we operate with Uniform Commercial Code. We have no MONEY for christ's sake!! We are DISCHARGING debts with promissory notes/federal reserve notes...
It's over, done with, stick a fork in it. You cannot change things by working within this system. It is too complicated for the average person to understand. Either we get educated, or we welcome physical slavery - as we already have financial, mental, and spiritual slavery in this Country - Mostly as a result of our own stupidity and laziness.
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What liberals and democrats dont understand is that the democrats are as equally guilty in this mess as anyone.
That is why unless people follow a Ron Paul message, we are destned to slavery. The democrats are the party of true slavery and the GOP ,well they offer slavery as well, just that people like myself have an ability to operate a little easier.
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Here is a tribute to our new owners:
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SAMSON just when I thought you typed something intelligent you mentioned the patriot act. Like most of the misinformed liberals who bitch about the patriot act, you have no clue what you are talking about. The Patriot Act granted the government absolutely no new powers except two==>1) In order to conduct investigations under FISA the government need only assert that foreign intelligence gathering is a primary objective- rather than the singular objective. This means that part of the purpose of investigating could be criminal prosecution. 2) Easier intelligence sharing between various government agencies in the investigation of terrorism.
THATS IT DUMBASS. Everything else you think the patriot act does has been allowed by the government for decades in the investigation of organized crime, drugs and espionage. If your problem is with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act-- once again, almost nothing under FISA (which has been around for a very long time) wasn't allowed under Title III, the primary mechanism for the domestic use of surveillance in the investigation of criminal activity.
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SAMSON just when I thought you typed something intelligent you mentioned the patriot act. Like most of the misinformed liberals who bitch about the patriot act, you have no clue what you are talking about. The Patriot Act granted the government absolutely no new powers except two==>1) In order to conduct investigations under FISA the government need only assert that foreign intelligence gathering is a primary objective- rather than the singular objective. This means that part of the purpose of investigating could be criminal prosecution. 2) Easier intelligence sharing between various government agencies in the investigation of terrorism.
THATS IT DUMBASS. Everything else you think the patriot act does has been allowed by the government for decades in the investigation of organized crime, drugs and espionage. If your problem is with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act-- once again, almost nothing under FISA (which has been around for a very long time) wasn't allowed under Title III, the primary mechanism for the domestic use of surveillance in the investigation of criminal activity.
Declaring yourself to be a patriot could be considered a criminal act in a totalitarian Orwellian dictatorship.
Look at the librarians... At one point, John Ashcroft labelled them terrorists if my memory serves me correctly.
Bottom line is: Nobody is safe.
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Declaring yourself to be a patriot could be considered a criminal act in a totalitarian Orwellian dictatorship.
Look at the librarians... At one point, John Ashcroft labelled them terrorists if my memory serves me correctly.
Bottom line is: Nobody is safe.
What?? When did John Ashcroft label librarians terrorists?
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What?? When did John Ashcroft label librarians terrorists?
It occurred shortly after the passage of the Patriot Act
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It occurred shortly after the passage of the Patriot Act
Prove it. Sounds like a blatant falsehood or, at a minimum, something taken completely out of context.
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Prove it. Sounds like a blatant falsehood or, at a minimum, something taken completely out of context.
{yawn} this is such F-ing old news, ...I'm not going to bother to waste time looking up something I already know.
Call BS all you want, ...or you can be a man, and research something you clearly know nothing about.
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Prove it. Sounds like a blatant falsehood or, at a minimum, something taken completely out of context.
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+Ashcroft+label+librarians+terrorists&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+Ashcroft+label+librarians+terrorists&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86167,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86167,00.html)
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1151 (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1151)
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{yawn} this is such F-ing old news, ...I'm not going to bother to waste time looking up something I already know.
Call BS all you want, ...or you can be a man, and research something you clearly know nothing about.
As I suspected. Typical response whenever someone calls you one of your crazy (or in this case knowingly false) comments. Go take your meds before you start hallucinating. ::)
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+Ashcroft+label+librarians+terrorists&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=John+Ashcroft+label+librarians+terrorists&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86167,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86167,00.html)
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1151 (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1151)
And in which one of those links does John Ashcroft call librarians terrorists? ::)
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As I suspected. Typical response whenever someone calls you one of your crazy (or in this case knowingly false) comments. Go take your meds before you start hallucinating. ::)
Not only are you an imbecile, ...it appears you are an illiterate imbecile with severe comprehension problems!
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SAMSON just when I thought you typed something intelligent you mentioned the patriot act. Like most of the misinformed liberals who bitch about the patriot act, you have no clue what you are talking about. The Patriot Act granted the government absolutely no new powers except two==>1) In order to conduct investigations under FISA the government need only assert that foreign intelligence gathering is a primary objective- rather than the singular objective. This means that part of the purpose of investigating could be criminal prosecution. 2) Easier intelligence sharing between various government agencies in the investigation of terrorism.
THATS IT DUMBASS. Everything else you think the patriot act does has been allowed by the government for decades in the investigation of organized crime, drugs and espionage. If your problem is with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act-- once again, almost nothing under FISA (which has been around for a very long time) wasn't allowed under Title III, the primary mechanism for the domestic use of surveillance in the investigation of criminal activity.
Hi Georgina
That shade of lip stick you are wearing does nothing for youi
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And in which one of those links does John Ashcroft call librarians terrorists? ::)
it doesn't have to be said, It's known what he is implying.
"You're either with us or against us" ::)
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Not only are you an imbecile, ...it appears you are an illiterate imbecile with severe comprehension problems!
Whatever you say liar. Tell the truth for a change. It's refreshing. Now I'll let this go before you start get all schizophrenic on me.
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it doesn't have to be said, It's known what he is implying.
"You're either with us or against us" ::)
Oh what a load of horse manure. I guess you thought I wouldn't actually look at the links? ::)
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it doesn't have to be said, It's known what he is implying.
"You're either with us or against us" ::)
He actually did come out and say it, ...and he was such a laughing stock, ...they tried to downplay it.
Despite the absurdity and rampant abuse, ...the media still tried to protect the admin in those early days of in-your-face tyranny.
"Last week, Attorney General John Ashcroft named librarians as the latest group to pose a threat to freedom. "-New York Times, Patriot Act II, published Sept 22, 2003
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Oh what a load of horse manure. I guess you thought I wouldn't actually look at the links? ::)
How Typical!
Some people have just too much in common with jack-asses!
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How Typical!
Some people have just too much in common with jack-asses!
Yawn. Some people have too much in common with dishonest old frustrated single kooks who troll message boards for multilevel marketing customers.
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Yawn. Some people have too much in common with dishonest old frustrated single kooks who troll message boards for multilevel marketing customers.
pssst: Your desperation is showing. I'm truly embarassed for you. :-[
Now that this blatant attempt to derail the thread has failed, ...can we please get back on topic without the unecessary and unwarranted ad hominem attacks, and desperate attempt to libel people, or bait spam, in order to conceal your own ignorance?
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pssst: Your desperation is showing. I'm truly embarassed for you. :-[
Now that this blatant attempt to derail the thread has failed, ...can we please get back on topic without the unecessary and unwarranted ad hominem attacks, and desperate attempt to libel people, or bait spam, in order to conceal your own ignorance?
Snore! ::) When I asked for proof the first time you started acting like a petulant adolescent. I know you don't like it when people hit back, and I usually don't, but I need a break from working, and you're such an easy target. :)
Post the quote from John Ashcroft calling librarians terrorists.
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SO YOU THINK YOU OWN YOUR LAND...I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU (read)
Now you can see how this China Eminent Domain deal could possibly be real
The Lieber Code.
HJR192. Senate Doc 43
From vterranova
3-1-9
Here's the Coup de Gras on what is taking place right now, known as the Lieber Code.
Remember, I told you we've been under military rule for at least 75 years or more since HJR 192 was implimented and they move re honest money was reduced to mere military scrip / Federal Reserve Notes.
Lieber Code, General Orders No. 100 by Abraham Lincoln (04/24/1863) (Section II, Article 31: A victorious army appropriates all public money, seizes all public movable property until further direction by its government, and sequesters for its own benefit or that of its government all revenues of real property belonging to the hostile government or nation. The title to such real property remains in abeyance during military occupation, and until the conquest is made complete.); http://www.ncrepublic.org/lieber.html
Senate Document # 43; SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 62 (Pg 9, Para 2) April 17, 1933. "The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called "ownership"is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State." (Emphasis added)
The final move is taking place right now and the ultimate crash of the dollar (within weeks or months) with be consider the conquest as complete re the capture of America by the global banking elite and then America goes up for sale to the highest bidder, or simply turned over to those holding U.S. Treasury Bonds.
Pass this one out right now.
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SO YOU THINK YOU OWN YOUR LAND...I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU (read)
Now you can see how this China Eminent Domain deal could possibly be real
The Lieber Code.
HJR192. Senate Doc 43
From vterranova
3-1-9
Here's the Coup de Gras on what is taking place right now, known as the Lieber Code.
Remember, I told you we've been under military rule for at least 75 years or more since HJR 192 was implimented and they move re honest money was reduced to mere military scrip / Federal Reserve Notes.
Lieber Code, General Orders No. 100 by Abraham Lincoln (04/24/1863) (Section II, Article 31: A victorious army appropriates all public money, seizes all public movable property until further direction by its government, and sequesters for its own benefit or that of its government all revenues of real property belonging to the hostile government or nation. The title to such real property remains in abeyance during military occupation, and until the conquest is made complete.); http://www.ncrepublic.org/lieber.html
Senate Document # 43; SENATE RESOLUTION NO. 62 (Pg 9, Para 2) April 17, 1933. "The ultimate ownership of all property is in the State; individual so-called "ownership"is only by virtue of Government, i.e., law, amounting to mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State." (Emphasis added)
The final move is taking place right now and the ultimate crash of the dollar (within weeks or months) with be consider the conquest as complete re the capture of America by the global banking elite and then America goes up for sale to the highest bidder, or simply turned over to those holding U.S. Treasury Bonds.
Pass this one out right now.
We're being "Foreclosed" on. :'(
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SAMSON try ditching the bannana and reading a book without holding it upside down. You might learn a thing or three.
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SAMSON try ditching the bannana and reading a book without holding it upside down. You might learn a thing or three.
Obviously your technique for becoming "KNOWLEDGEABLE" hasn't worked on you...so try mine...and research the information presented in my post...IT DOES A MIND GOOD...
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Obviously your technique for becoming "KNOWLEDGEABLE" hasn't worked on you...so try mine...and research the information presented in my post...IT DOES A MIND GOOD...
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Guys, as distasteful as Samson's premise may be, ...it's not without precedent.
All throughout history we have seen nations ceding land to other nations in repayment of debt.
How do you think Canada ended up with Quebec? How did you get Florida? California? ...
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talk about ass backwards. bogus threads go on for 4 pages while important shit falls without being talked about.
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talk about ass backwards. bogus threads go on for 4 pages while important shit falls without being talked about.
This certainly isn't BOGUS or ass backwards post o tthread...sadly americans react to things after the fact and sadly again when information is presented to make the masses aware...they laugh and ridicule. I have kept all of my post within the realm of the thread Eminent Domain hopefully showing how China or any nation could ACTUALLY come to own chunks of america simply as payment for a DEBT america has which it clearly can not pay. My last post on the Leiber Code only goes to inform everyone that your "ownership" isn't really ownership at all, but rather a borrowedship as the government is REALLY THE OWNER of everything and with that has the right to GIVE AWAY/SELL it as payment for its debts. Some of you want to hold onto the "it's not constitutional" nonsense...your constitution has really become no more than the GOD DAMNED PIECE OF PAPER George Bush said it was...so don't hold your breath on that piece of paper protecting you or your property from anything....including the greedy hands of your government.
Now what other "IMPORTANT SHIT do you wish there was more discussion on Hugo???
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This certainly isn't BOGUS or ass backwards post o tthread...sadly americans react to things after the fact and sadly again when information is presented to make the masses aware...they laugh and ridicule. I have kept all of my post within the realm of the thread Eminent Domain hopefully showing how China or any nation could ACTUALLY come to own chunks of america simply as payment for a DEBT america has which it clearly can not pay. My last post on the Leiber Code only goes to inform everyone that your "ownership" isn't really ownership at all, but rather a borrowedship as the government is REALLY THE OWNER of everything and with that has the right to GIVE AWAY/SELL it as payment for its debts. Some of you want to hold onto the "it's not constitutional" nonsense...your constitution has really become no more than the GOD DAMNED PIECE OF PAPER George Bush said it was...so don't hold your breath on that piece of paper protecting you or your property from anything....including the greedy hands of your government.
Now what other "IMPORTANT SHIT do you wish there was more discussion on Hugo???
Very well said. Good dose of reality.
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Don't Panic! Emminent Domain? Bollocks!
links on YT page
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LOL, this started with Hal Turner?
This actually started with a post being put up by a still unknown writer that said the US was granting China eminenet Domain as collateral for Us debts. Hal Turner was never identified as the writer and it is assumed that he may be the writer. Nonetheless the topic does seem to bear some truth given the present circumstances in america....
Meltdown.
No where near the case Hugo... but feel free to add any topics to the board you wish to discuss
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yea, it was a bit of a meltdown
We can't go down divided brother, that's what they want.
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We can't go down divided brother, that's what they want.
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You are right Bindare...that is the crux of all of my posts...educate, reinforce, avoid nonsensical arguments, divisions...Hugo is going down that path of if I don't understand it then I am going to ridicule it, dismiss the idea of it, try to insult the person presenting it... No stress....like I have already said multiple times...americans don't respond until after the fact or until the matter is too far gone.
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You are right Bindare...that is the crux of all of my posts...educate, reinforce, avoid nonsensical arguments, divisions...Hugo is going down that path of if I don't understand it then I am going to ridicule it, dismiss the idea of it, try to insult the person presenting it... No stress....like I have already said multiple times...americans don't respond until after the fact or until the matter is too far gone.
We all suffer from occasional lapses in judgement, ...however, you have to admit of all the posters here,
Hugo is by no means the worst offender. I can think of another mod who fits that description to a T!
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We all suffer from occasional lapses in judgement, ...however, you have to admit of all the posters here,
Hugo is by no means the worst offender. I can think of another mod who fits that description to a T!
No he is NOT the worst by no means...but it seems that suddenly he is taking that path for some strange reason. Mind you...this is the same person who I was defending when he posted the 911 information about the control demolition of the world trade (which I agree with), but somehow my opinion that it may be possible that the Chinese have been granted eminent Domain, based on america's circumstances and its desire to keep borrowing from China.. has been awarded teh MELTDOWN label... so be it...
Anyway too much other shit happening in america to get too hung up on any one thing. America is already up to its upper lip in quicksand and every time I go to Yahoo another event sinks it just a little bit more...how long before it goes completely under???