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Question: "What happens after death?"
Answer: Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion in regards to what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to Heaven or Hell. Others believe that immediately after the moment of death, people are instantly judged and send to their eternal destinations.. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” Heaven or Hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?
First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death, believers’ souls/spirits are taken to Heaven, because their sins were forgiven from having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16,18,36). For believers, after death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified and perfected, and then reunited with the soul-spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the inhabitance of believers for eternity, in the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation chapters 21-22).
Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, after death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the Great White Throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to Hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24).
Therefore, after death, for both believers and unbelievers, a person resides in a “temporary” Heaven or Hell. After this temporary realm, at their final resurrection, peoples’ eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location” of that eternal destiny is what changes. After death, believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation 21:1). After death, unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people - based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).
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Question: "What happens after death?"
Answer: Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion in regards to what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to Heaven or Hell. Others believe that immediately after the moment of death, people are instantly judged and send to their eternal destinations.. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” Heaven or Hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?
First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death, believers’ souls/spirits are taken to Heaven, because their sins were forgiven from having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16,18,36). For believers, after death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified and perfected, and then reunited with the soul-spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the inhabitance of believers for eternity, in the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation chapters 21-22).
Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, after death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the Great White Throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to Hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24).
Therefore, after death, for both believers and unbelievers, a person resides in a “temporary” Heaven or Hell. After this temporary realm, at their final resurrection, peoples’ eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location” of that eternal destiny is what changes. After death, believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation 21:1). After death, unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people - based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).
Interesting read, Stella. I wonder how they explain these scripts?:
Eccl. 3:19-22:
"For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. (20) All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. (21) Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? (22) And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?"
Romans 6:23:
"For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord".
Eccl. 9:5-10
"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. (6) Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they have no portion anymore to time indefinite in anything that has to be done under the sun. (7) Go, eat your food with rejoicing and drink your wine with a good heart, because already the [true] God has found pleasure in your works. (8) On every occasion let your garments prove to be white, and let oil not be lacking upon your head. (9) See life with the wife whom you love all the days of your vain life that He has given you under the sun, all the days of your vanity, for that is your portion in life and in your hard work with which you are working hard under the sun. (10) All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She′ol, the place to which you are going.
Psalms 6:5:
"For in death there is no mention of you;
In She′ol who will laud you?"
Psalms 37:9-11:
"For evildoers themselves will be cut off,
But those hoping in God are the ones that will possess the earth.
(10) And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more;
And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.
(11) But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace."
Psalms 115:16-18
"(16) As regards the heavens, to God the heavens belong,
But the earth he has given to the sons of men.
(17) The dead themselves do not praise God,
Nor do any going down into silence.
(18) But we ourselves will bless God
From now on and to time indefinite."
Praise God, YOU people!
Isa 45:18
"For this is what God has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: I am God, and there is no one else."
Rev. 21:3,4
"(3) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. (4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away"
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Question: "What happens after death?"
Answer: Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion in regards to what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to Heaven or Hell. Others believe that immediately after the moment of death, people are instantly judged and send to their eternal destinations.. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” Heaven or Hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?
First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death, believers’ souls/spirits are taken to Heaven, because their sins were forgiven from having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16,18,36). For believers, after death is to be “away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified and perfected, and then reunited with the soul-spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the inhabitance of believers for eternity, in the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation chapters 21-22).
Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, after death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the Great White Throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to Hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, “I am in agony in this fire” (Luke 16:24).
Therefore, after death, for both believers and unbelievers, a person resides in a “temporary” Heaven or Hell. After this temporary realm, at their final resurrection, peoples’ eternal destiny will not change. The precise “location” of that eternal destiny is what changes. After death, believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the New Heavens and New Earth (Revelation 21:1). After death, unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people - based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).
Is the soul composed of gaseous, solid or liquid molecules? What 'age' does one appear after death? What if we all just take a dirt nap and this life is all we have. The funny thing about you Stella has always been the total rigidity of your beliefs; you would never for a second consider that this life may be the only one we have.
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Is the soul composed of gaseous, solid or liquid molecules? My guess would be no.What 'age' does one appear after death? Not sure. Some have suggested 33 :)What if we all just take a dirt nap and this life is all we have. That would be preferable for some people I'm sure.The funny thing about you Stella has always been the total rigidity of your beliefs;Has that always been the funny thing about me? Interesting ;D you would never for a second consider that this life may be the only one we have. Wrong again :)
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Hah! If every major scientist in the world came round and said that ther afterlife is bollocks, you would undoubtedly cling to your faith despite this.
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Hah! If every major scientist in the world came round and said that ther afterlife is bollocks, you would undoubtedly cling to your faith despite this.
You sure have a lot of faith in "scientists" :)
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You sure have a lot of faith in "scientists" :)
No, I read what they say and try to understand. Remember every time you call someone on your mobile it is science you have to thank and every time you have a health problem solved it is science you have to thank. What great innovations has Christianity brought about?
What is your evidence that consciousness continues after the brain dies?
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No, I read what they say and try to understand. Remember every time you call someone on your mobile it is science you have to thank and every time you have a health problem solved it is science you have to thank. What great innovations has Christianity brought about?
What is your evidence that consciousness continues after the brain dies?
Are you saying that a scientist created the material to make my mobile phone?
Are you saying when I have a cold and in a week I am healed that a scientist healed me? Are you saying when I have a cut, the fact that my skin closes and heals was made possible by a scientist?
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Are you saying that a scientist created the material to make my mobile phone?
Are you saying when I have a cold and in a week I am healed that a scientist healed me? Are you saying when I have a cut, the fact that my skin closes and heals was made possible by a scientist?
NO. When you have cancer and get treatment, thank science. The immune system is a development of evolution, which I know you absurdly do not believe in. As for the phone, the understanding of the principles of physics has made it work...understanding that came about through science.
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You decay. Your consciousness ends. Like eternal dreamless sleep.
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Depends on how you die.
I'd like to be cremated so I will most likely turn into ash. Most people will decompose and become worm food. :)
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You decay. Your consciousness ends. Like eternal dreamless sleep.
maybe.
But its nicer to truely believe that the person lives on and is well, I feel sorry for people who lose loved ones and truely believe they are gone for ever.
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maybe.
But its nicer to truely believe that the person lives on and is well, I feel sorry for people who lose loved ones and truely believe they are gone for ever.
The Bible teaches/guarantees a resurrection, hang in there! People will be united shortly!
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Is the soul composed of gaseous, solid or liquid molecules? What 'age' does one appear after death? What if we all just take a dirt nap and this life is all we have. The funny thing about you Stella has always been the total rigidity of your beliefs; you would never for a second consider that this life may be the only one we have.
you Deicide are definitely full of gas
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maybe.
But its nicer to truely believe that the person lives on and is well, I feel sorry for people who lose loved ones and truely believe they are gone for ever.
And it's nicer to believe that you're the best looking person in the world and have a million dollars in the bank....
..But go try writing a million dollar check and see what happens.
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what happens after death?
Answer : plant food
basis of religion = fear of death
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what happens after death?
Answer : plant food
This is correct. Of course it depends on how one is disposed of too. ;D
basis of religion = fear of death
Not necessarily. My basis is, LOVE for my Creator. Before I studied the Bible, I could have cared less as to what happened to me, as long as, it was in my favor. My belief at that time was exactly what the Bible was already teaching, man goes back to dust. I lived accordingly. I felt like I had to get it while the getting was good. Anyway, not all Bible believers feel that way. Most of us LOVE our heavenly Father and appreciate the life He has given us. No other reason!. Sure, we like the extras, yet, those are not the reason.
Usually the ones that serve God for "fear of death" are false Christians, such as the Scribes, Sadducee's, and Pharisee's (equivalent to most of the clergy today) of Jesus time.
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Not necessarily. My basis is, LOVE for my Creator. \
for a moment saying that god does exist...
exactly how can you love someone you have never seen..thats point 1
and exactly how do you love someone that does this to little children
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Hah! If every major scientist in the world came round and said that ther afterlife is bollocks, you would undoubtedly cling to your faith despite this.
As well she should. Some things to consider:
- Faith is believing without proof. Some may argue that believing in a God when all physical evidence points to other things is not rational. Scripture tells the believer that he is going to be ridiculed and mock for his/her beliefs.
- Most major scientists once said the world was flat, and that the sun evolved around the earth. Today any third grader knows these things are not true. Whenever we hear things like, "new studies no show" or "scientists now believe", it simply means that scientists got it wrong the first time, and now they think they have it right.
- God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Don't misunderstand my perspective. I am not anti-science. I work in Information Technology and I'm amazed at how much it has progressed in the last 20 years. I just choose to not lose sight of the fact that no matter how much we think we know as humans it laughable to God's knowledge.
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after death, maggots have a party but the dreams and soul of the body remain among its relatives
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As well she should. Some things to consider:
- Faith is believing without proof. Some may argue that believing in a God when all physical evidence points to other things is not rational. Scripture tells the believer that he is going to be ridiculed and mock for his/her beliefs.
- Most major scientists once said the world was flat, and that the sun evolved around the earth. Today any third grader knows these things are not true. Whenever we hear things like, "new studies no show" or "scientists now believe", it simply means that scientists got it wrong the first time, and now they think they have it right.
- God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Don't misunderstand my perspective. I am not anti-science. I work in Information Technology and I'm amazed at how much it has progressed in the last 20 years. I just choose to not lose sight of the fact that no matter how much we think we know as humans it laughable to God's knowledge.
Science is all about revision and change and adjusting data to fit new knowledge. This reflects life itself as life is change and requires adjustment to new facts and new happenings but the projection of a singular, unchanging monotheistic deity is very much the opposite, indeed, along with fear of death the semitic war deity now turned 'God' asuages people's fear of the vagaries of life and the changes that it brings; in essence a projection of all man wishes to be and to have but can never be or have, man having projected himself into the heavens in fear and misunderstanding of the earth.
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Science is all about revision and change and adjusting data to fit new knowledge.[/i]
This is what I said.
This reflects life itself as life is change and requires adjustment to new facts and new happenings
Of course life is change and we make adjustments. That even holds true with the practice of Christianity. Someone new to Christianity (a babe) will continue to change as they grow in Christ. However, at no point has God changed. Even science itself never really changes. Our understanding of it simply grows or change. The truth of the matter is God and science are not mutually exclusive. In science we take substance "a" and mix it with substance "b" to create substance "c". From a Christian's perspective, God made substances "a" and "b", and have always known that combined they would make substance "c".
but the projection of a singular, unchanging monotheistic deity is very much the opposite, indeed, along with fear of death the semitic war deity now turned 'God' asuages people's fear of the vagaries of life and the changes that it brings; in essence a projection of all man wishes to be and to have but can never be or have, man having projected himself into the heavens in fear and misunderstanding of the earth.
This pretty much says you don't believe in God. So of course anything a Christian person says on the subject is going to sound like the speakings of a lunatic. I used to wonder why would someone spend time in a discussion about Christ and God if they did not believe Either existed. If Christians are truly weak-minded people with no power through prayer, then why not simply ignore them?
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As well she should. Some things to consider:
- Faith is believing without proof. Some may argue that believing in a God when all physical evidence points to other things is not rational. Scripture tells the believer that he is going to be ridiculed and mock for his/her beliefs.
- Most major scientists once said the world was flat, and that the sun evolved around the earth. Today any third grader knows these things are not true. Whenever we hear things like, "new studies no show" or "scientists now believe", it simply means that scientists got it wrong the first time, and now they think they have it right.
- God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Don't misunderstand my perspective. I am not anti-science. I work in Information Technology and I'm amazed at how much it has progressed in the last 20 years. I just choose to not lose sight of the fact that no matter how much we think we know as humans it laughable to God's knowledge.
"Major scientists" never claimed the world was flat. In fact, There weren't even scientists by todays definition 2,500 years ago yet Eratosthenes actually measured the earth's circumference about 2,200 years ago.
The only people claiming that the world was flat were normal people, scientists didn't really exist until around a few thousand years ago. Anyone with common sense could tell that the earth isn't flat by seeing its shadow on the moon.
Belief without proof is stupidity. You're about as justified to believe that a "God" exists as I am justified to believe that I am the reincarnation of Alexander the Great and have superpowers. The fact that you call it "faith" doesn't change the fact that it is BULLSHIT.
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"Major scientists" never claimed the world was flat. In fact, There weren't even scientists by todays definition 2,500 years ago yet Eratosthenes actually measured the earth's circumference about 2,200 years ago.
The only people claiming that the world was flat were normal people, scientists didn't really exist until around a few thousand years ago. Anyone with common sense could tell that the earth isn't flat by seeing its shadow on the moon.
Belief without proof is stupidity. You're about as justified to believe that a "God" exists as I am justified to believe that I am the reincarnation of Alexander the Great and have superpowers. The fact that you call it "faith" doesn't change the fact that it is BULLSHIT.
Of course faith in God is going to appear as stupidity to those who do not believe. That same "stupid" God has already told us this. Okay, it's possible that you may be correct on one fact about previous science thinking verses today's. However, there are hundreds, if not thousands, more examples of where science thinking has changed. I understand that's called progress and a growth in knowledge. My point is God has never changed, and those things that science re-think or discover have always been known by God.
One of the reasons I rarely get into these types of discussions (although you wouldn't know that by my recent postings) is because most people already have their minds made up. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will change my mind about God and His son. It would appear that there is nothing that I, or anyone, could say to change your perspective. Let's just agree to disagree.
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Nothing.....
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Of course faith in God is going to appear as stupidity to those who do not believe. That same "stupid" God has already told us this. Okay, it's possible that you may be correct on one fact about previous science thinking verses today's. However, there are hundreds, if not thousands, more examples of where science thinking has changed. I understand that's called progress and a growth in knowledge. My point is God has never changed, and those things that science re-think or discover have always been known by God.
One of the reasons I rarely get into these types of discussions (although you wouldn't know that by my recent postings) is because most people already have their minds made up. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will change my mind about God and His son. It would appear that there is nothing that I, or anyone, could say to change your perspective. Let's just agree to disagree.
You can change a lot of people's minds if you show them some actual proof of this God you're talking about.
Meanwhile, science is all about theories and evidence, yet you religious folks are still turning a blind eye.
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You can change a lot of people's minds if you show them some actual proof of this God you're talking about.
Meanwhile, science is all about theories and evidence, yet you religious folks are still turning a blind eye.
I do not know whether you can not comprehend what I am saying, or you simply choose not to. Faith is believing without seeing (proof). People of faith do not turn a blind eye to science. Science says if one takes hydrogen and 2 parts oxygen, one will get water. People of faith say okay, that is how God designed it. Certainly there are some areas of conflict. Evolution verses creation immediately comes to mind.
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Of course faith in God is going to appear as stupidity to those who do not believe. That same "stupid" God has already told us this. Okay, it's possible that you may be correct on one fact about previous science thinking verses today's. However, there are hundreds, if not thousands, more examples of where science thinking has changed. I understand that's called progress and a growth in knowledge. My point is God has never changed, and those things that science re-think or discover have always been known by God.
One of the reasons I rarely get into these types of discussions (although you wouldn't know that by my recent postings) is because most people already have their minds made up. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will change my mind about God and His son. It would appear that there is nothing that I, or anyone, could say to change your perspective. Let's just agree to disagree.
God has never changed because God doesn't exist.
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God has never changed because God doesn't exist.
Are you trying to convice yourself or me? If it's the latter, you are wasting time.
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Are you trying to convice yourself or me? If it's the latter, you are wasting time.
I know. Just throwing a fact out there. You are what biology and environment has made you, and so are your beliefs. You wouldn't understand one way or the other, but I must state reality.
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no one.I repeat no one knows.
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no one.I repeat no one knows.
That's like saying that no one knows that Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny are imaginary.
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That's like saying that no one knows that Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny are imaginary.
not at all alike.
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not at all alike.
All fictional beings created to comfort people. What are the differences?
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All fictional beings created to comfort people. What are the differences?
I believe that god is just as fictional as Santa clause and the easter bunny.so in that regard I agree with you.however....the question is What happens after death?My personal belief is nothing it's over your dead.but....believing something and knowing something are two different things.hence no one knows for sure what happens when you die.
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I believe that god is just as fictional as Santa clause and the easter bunny.so in that regard I agree with you.however....the question is What happens after death?My personal belief is nothing it's over your dead.but....believing something and knowing something are two different things.hence no one knows for sure what happens when you die.
We know as close as is possible to know. Our consciousness is the result of our brain functions. When we die our brain functions stop. Thus so does our consciousness.
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I know. Just throwing a fact out there. You are what biology and environment has made you, and so are your beliefs. You wouldn't understand one way or the other, but I must state reality.
Do you know for a fact that God does not exist?
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Do you know for a fact that God does not exist?
nope.do you know for a fact he does?
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Do you know for a fact that God does not exist?
Depends on how you define "God" of course. Some definitions of God can't exist, some could logically exist.
I know that God doesn't exist as much as I know that the Easter Bunny does not exist, except in the imaginations of little children.
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nope.do you know for a fact he does?
No I do not. However, everything I have said has been based on faith. Those who believe and those who do not are never going to agree on this subject. The God in which we believe had already told us it would be this way.
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Depends on how you define "God" of course. Some definitions of God can't exist, some could logically exist.
I know that God doesn't exist as much as I know that the Easter Bunny does not exist, except in the imaginations of little children.
Ah yes, the old "easter bunny" argument. These foolish things (easter bunny, santa claus) were not the results of the imaginations of little children. The spirits of these things do exist because they are created by the enemy of God. I am assuming that if you do not believe in God, then you do not believe in his enemy (satan).
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No I do not. However, everything I have said has been based on faith. Those who believe and those who do not are never going to agree on this subject. The God in which we believe had already told us it would be this way.
you are aware there were other gods and religions prior to your personal religion even being thought of.when you understand why it is that you dismiss all those other gods but yours...then you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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Ah yes, the old "easter bunny" argument. These foolish things (easter bunny, santa claus) were not the results of the imaginations of little children. The spirits of these things do exist because they are created by the enemy of God. I am assuming that if you do not believe in God, then you do not believe in his enemy (satan).
You're saying that the eastern bunny was created by Satan?
:o
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you are aware there were other gods and religions prior to your personal religion even being thought of.when you understand why it is that you dismiss all those other gods but yours...then you will understand why I dismiss yours.
I sincerely respect your choice to dismiss my God. But understand this, the God I believe in is the creator of all there is. There is no before Him. As I have said in other threads, let's just agree to disagree. There is absolutely nothing you can say to make me not believe that God is God, He sent His Son Jesus to die for us, Jesus rose again and is our Salvation. I would think you feel the same way about your god.
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You're saying that the eastern bunny was created by Satan?
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Absolutely this was inspired by satan. Are you really surprised? What do a rabbit and eggs have to do with the resurrection of Christ? Christians often unknowingly participate in pagan-inspired rituals. Many times they are aware that these activities are not of God. However, it is often easier just to go along so you do not appear to be that "kooky" Christian. I have a Christian friend who allows his kids to participate in halloween. The celebration of Christ's birth on the December 25th is because Christians wanted to appease non-believers. Ironically, non-believers are now getting upset because it is so widely accepted as His birthday. Hence, the "happy holidays" to again appease the non-believers. Unbelievable! Surely this sounds like the ramblings on a crazy person to you. As I have said to others, let us agree to disagree.
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Absolutely this was inspired by satan. Are you really surprised? What do a rabbit and eggs have to do with the resurrection of Christ? Christians often unknowingly participate in pagan-inspired rituals. Many times they are aware that these activities are not of God. However, it is often easier just to go along so you do not appear to be that "kooky" Christian. I have a Christian friend who allows his kids to participate in halloween. The celebration of Christ's birth on the December 25th is because Christians wanted to appease non-believers. Ironically, non-believers are now getting upset because it is so widely accepted as His birthday. Hence, the "happy holidays" to again appease the non-believers. Unbelievable! Surely this sounds like the ramblings on a crazy person to you. As I have said to others, let us agree to disagree.
Right on. There is ample evidence to discredit easter as being a celebrated Christian holiday. Nowhere in the Bible is it taught.
People tend to forget that the Bible has been used by nonbelievers claiming to believe in Christ, yet fall short of his teachings. Hence, misrepresentation of the Holy Scriptures. We call them false Christians. Paul warned that they would creep into the true Christian congregation.
December 25th taught as Christ birthday is insane. It's a well known fact that shepherds would not be in the fields at this time of the year. Jerusalem in that day would have been snow covered, there isn't a scholar in the world who would disagree with that. Once again, the pagans are responsible for this date. The bible in no way purports it.
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you are aware there were other gods and religions prior to your personal religion even being thought of.when you understand why it is that you dismiss all those other gods but yours...then you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Those other gods cannot do what the True God can. They are not even close to being compatible with the God of the Bible. Also, those other Gods didn't create, therefore they cannot give everlasting life without disease, famine, old age, etc. The God of the Bible guarantees perfection to humans as well as perfect conditions for humans to dwell in. Those are conditions that these other gods can't achieve.
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I sincerely respect your choice to dismiss my God. But understand this, the God I believe in is the creator of all there is. There is no before Him. As I have said in other threads, let's just agree to disagree. There is absolutely nothing you can say to make me not believe that God is God, He sent His Son Jesus to die for us, Jesus rose again and is our Salvation. I would think you feel the same way about your god.
I am not trying to make you not believe in your god.but are you honesly saying there wasn't religion before Christianity?that worshiped other god?...It's a historical fact there were many many religions that pre date your personal religion.and many of Christianity's beliefs were borrowed from these religions.like you referring to the son.these ancient people worshiped the SUN.your religion changed it to the son.And if you studied astrology at all you'd see why/and when easter is easter and Christmas is Christmas.your religion has more to do with astrology than anything else.ancient people with no consept of the real world trying to figure out why there here.thats why Christian leaders persecuted Galileo(and others).they had the audacity to say the earth was round not flat.and that the earth revolved around the sun instead of sun around the earth.
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I am not trying to make you not believe in your god.but are you honesly saying there wasn't religion before Christianity?that worshiped other god?...It's a historical fact there were many many religions that pre date your personal religion.and many of Christianity's beliefs were borrowed from these religions.like you referring to the son.these ancient people worshiped the SUN.your religion changed it to the son.And if you studied astrology at all you'd see why/and when easter is easter and Christmas is Christmas.your religion has more to do with astrology than anything else.ancient people with no consept of the real world trying to figure out why there here.thats why Christian leaders persecuted Galileo(and others).they had the audacity to say the earth was round not flat.and that the earth revolved around the sun instead of sun around the earth.
Those holidays are not taught in the Bible. The Bible condemns astrology, spiritism, etc.
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Those holidays are not taught in the Bible. The Bible condemns astrology, spiritism, etc.
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thats because astrology is based on reality.and reality is the enemy of religion.....you'd think that a birth so celebrated and wrote and told about would have a legitimate birth date....the only people I can think of without a date of birth are the one's that never existed....oh I get it.
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thats because astrology is based on reality.and reality is the enemy of religion.....you'd think that a birth so celebrated and wrote and told about would have a legitimate birth date....the only people I can think of without a date of birth are the one's that never existed....oh I get it.
I see your point, however, Jesus' death was more important than his birth. If he would not of died for us, then we would not have a ransom sacrifice to cover over our sins. Therefore, his death date in the Bible is accurate to the hour. Also Christians are commanded to memorialize that date. By the way, I haven't' been able to find where Christians in the Bible ever celebrated their births. As a matter of fact, there are only two birthday celebrations mentioned in the Bible, which were put in a bad light by the Bible. It's a shame that false teachings are so prevalent regarding the Scriptures. This is why, in my opinion, as to the cause of such disbelief in the Bible as being the WOG.
If people would just take time and study the bible from front to back they would be able to see the false teachings that are purported as true teachings of the Bible. Again, the Bible in no way promotes astrology or the likes.
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I never said the bible promotes astrology.as a matter of fact I could see why they would discourage people to study it as they would find the real reasons behind these supposed religious dates.and as far as people taking the time to study the bible.I agree.but not just the bible.all religion should be studied.do some research on all the religions that pre date Christianity.I doubt you will...
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I am not trying to make you not believe in your god.but are you honesly saying there wasn't religion before Christianity?that worshiped other god?...It's a historical fact there were many many religions that pre date your personal religion.and many of Christianity's beliefs were borrowed from these religions.like you referring to the son.these ancient people worshiped the SUN.your religion changed it to the son.And if you studied astrology at all you'd see why/and when easter is easter and Christmas is Christmas.your religion has more to do with astrology than anything else.ancient people with no consept of the real world trying to figure out why there here.thats why Christian leaders persecuted Galileo(and others).they had the audacity to say the earth was round not flat.and that the earth revolved around the sun instead of sun around the earth.
I am not saying there was no religion before Christianity. If fact, one of the reasons we have Christianity is because of the many false religions before Christ came and died for us. I have acknowledged that many Christian practices today have come from things other than Christ. This should not be. There is one major factor that has been left out of this discussion. One can not simply read the Word of God as he or she would read any other book. There is a reason the Bible is referred to as the Living Word of God. When a person sincerely seeks God (by way of Christ) through studying, prayer and fasting, truths are revealed. The Bible teaches us that we are to come before God in a child-like manner. That means we have to put aside our way of thinking a let God lead us; in the same manner our children do with us. When the Living Word of God operates in a person, things will happen because of Faith. There is Scripture that tells of a woman who had been sick for years. This woman heard Jesus was going to be present. She believed that if she could only touch the hem of His clothing she would be healed. She did and she was. There had been nothing written, and I would assume preached that said to touch His clothing. Christ even said to this woman that her Faith had made her whole. Do not be mislead by "Christian leaders." The Bible teaches us that come judgement day, there are going to be those who will say, Lord, haven't I done miracles in your Name? Christ will tell some of these people that He does not know them. I will end by saying that one can not be lukewarm when it comes to God. God makes it very clear that a person is either with Him or against Him. This is why I freely admit that there is much I have to learn, but I believe without doubt that God is God, Jesus is His Son and He died for our sins. The only way to the true God is through Jesus Christ.
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I never said the bible promotes astrology.as a matter of fact I could see why they would discourage people to study it as they would find the real reasons behind these supposed religious dates.and as far as people taking the time to study the bible.I agree.but not just the bible.all religion should be studied.do some research on all the religions that pre date Christianity.I doubt you will...
And if you studied astrology at all you'd see why/and when easter is easter and Christmas is Christmas..your religion has more to do with astrology than anything else.
Ah, I see. Sorry about that friend. I took your comment the wrong way. I thought u were indicating it did. Again, sorry for the misinterpretation!.
I do agree about studying the other religions as well. I have researched a few (Hindu, Buddhism, etc). It just takes so much time to do so. If I'm not mistaken, there are around 3,000 or so, correct me if I'm wrong. There just isn't enough time for me personally to research all of them. Anyway, that's a good point!
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One of the reasons I rarely get into these types of discussions (although you wouldn't know that by my recent postings) is because most people already have their minds made up. There is absolutely nothing you can say that will change my mind about God and His son. It would appear that there is nothing that I, or anyone, could say to change your perspective. Let's just agree to disagree.
I agree with this. Took me a while to learn it, but it's true.
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the only people I can think of without a date of birth are the one's that never existed....oh I get it.
The Bible does give a general date, or rather to be more specific, clues to the YEAR. Just not the day and month.
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