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HAHHAHA - well seriously, congrats on the win to Kai.
This really does pose a demimma for bodybuilding though, given his background and sexual habits etc.
Still, I got to hand it too him, he really came in looking pretty good. Quite amazing how lean he was, as his face did not have that lean dieted down look.
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HAHHAHA - well seriously, congrats on the win to Kai.
This really does pose a demimma for bodybuilding though, given his background and sexual habits etc.
Still, I got to hand it too him, he really came in looking pretty good. Quite amazing how lean he was, as his face did not have that lean dieted down look.
Backgrounds and sexual habits? That's very old shit.
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Look at the striations on those quads! GEEZUS.
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I am happy for the guy. The bb'ing life is not always easy. I am sure he has some regrets about the past. Will be interesting to see what happens from now. Part of the problem is that unlike other sports which are objectively judged, it seems bb'ing is more and more iat risk of being influenced by a competitors background, marketing potential, etc.
I also wonder what Arnold was thinking. I honestly think, from the look on his face, that he must be been somewhat concerned about being seen and associated with Kai, but I think he presented the prize with dignity, which reflected positively on both Arnold, Kai, and the event itself.
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What I do think though is that having Kai win this will provide "evidence" for guys like BAYGAM that this is a "gay" sport. I still disagree with that by the way. Yes, gays are in the sport of bb'ing, just like that are in any sport. And some sports are more "gay" than others (eg ice-skating, diving for example". But remember we have had gay champions in the past - remember Bob Paris, for example?
But seriously, whether right or wrong, is things like this that will make young men more ashamed to admit they are into bb'ing, and less willing to buy the magazines etc, as yunger guys in particular are overly sensitive to being wrongly accused of being gay....
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Amazing...! congrats Kai!!! :)
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the photo's of vanessa williams sucking tongues with a chick didnt set back her career much and that was 20 years ago. the question is where does kai want to take his career.
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But remember we have had gay champions in the past - remember Bob Paris, for example?
first has Kai every come out? I don't think so. (some effeminate guys are still straight you know)
even if he has, there is a difference. Bob Paris never did porn, never was a stripper, never ran escort ads in the back of the gay bar rags. (1999 or so, NYC) Same can be said about Chris Dickerson and Jim Morris, both openly gay. (OK, they both appeared in Colt, but those are artistic nude, never with an erection, and well after their pro careers.)
there have been plenty of gay or g4p bodybuilders who escorted, but it was all kept very secret, and the average fan never suspected. the internet changed all that.
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Two - points - having a girl kissing another is overall a pretty positive type of scandle, if you know what I mean. On the other hand, a guy doing whatever gays do, to another guy, generally is not particuraly positive for person's career.
On the point of "has Hai actually come out". The answer is he is so obviously gay, that he does not need to. Look at his posing routines for one thing. And then if you want further evidence, aren't there gay porn movies of him too?
As for Bob Paris, yes, that is exactly my point. He handled his gayness with dignity (if such a thing is possible). On the other hand, jerking off into a grapefruit (which is the thing I keep hearing about Kai) is pretty undignified no matter how you try to justify it. Still, it may only be a rumor (although I know people who swear they have seen the actual clip of him doing that). Does anyone know for sure if he really did that???
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On the point of "has Hai actually come out". The answer is he is so obviously gay, that he does not need to. Look at his posing routines for one thing. And then if you want further evidence, aren't there gay porn movies of him too?
He's effeminate, that's not the same as gay. and the only porn he's done has been solo.
basically what I'm saying is we don't want him, you take him.
jerking off into a grapefruit (which is the thing I keep hearing about Kai) is pretty undignified no matter how you try to justify it. Still, it may only be a rumor (although I know people who swear they have seen the actual clip of him doing that). Does anyone know for sure if he really did that???
yes, I've seen it. He fucks a grapefruit.
all the clips on musclehunks and powermen are jack/off clips. every bodybuilder you see there have jacked off in front of a camera crew multiple times.
in addition to Kai, the winner of the Arnold Pro, at least three of the athletes in this weekend's Arnold Amateur are also on those websites, including Julio Cesar Balestrin (as Julio Lopez), Pablo Ayala Zayas (as Roger Lockman), and Charles Mario Soares (as Alejandro Vega)
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OK - well, I am not gay, so ould someone explain to me what led to him doing that to a grapefruit? I
I thought gay porn involves guys sucking each other off, doing anal etc, and as far as fruit goes, maybe putting bananas or fallic objects into each other anus's, but I don't get the having sex with a grapefruit, or even how would you actually do that!
Did he make a hole in it and then have sex with it? And another silly question, but if so, would those acid juices from the grapefruit not have burned his urethra???
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OK - well, I am not gay, so ould someone explain to me what led to him doing that to a grapefruit? I
I thought gay porn involves guys sucking each other off, doing anal etc, and as far as fruit goes, maybe putting bananas or fallic objects into each other anus's, but I don't get the having sex with a grapefruit, or even how would you actually do that!
Did he make a hole in it and then have sex with it? And another silly question, but if so, would those acid juices from the grapefruit not have burned his urethra???
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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I thought gay porn involves guys sucking each other off, doing anal etc,
lots of different types of porn out there. Playboy built an empire without showing any action. Now on the internet, lots of people are willing to pay $19.95 a month to see muscular guys flex without any nudity. lots more are willing to pay to see really muscular guys jack off. that's the demand side of the equation.
on the supply side, obviously lots of competition bodybuilders are willing to jack off on video. not so many are willing to actually have full contact sex.
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Thanks for clarifying.
Just out of interest then, any idea what would he have been paid for that grapefruit scene? A few thousand?
I think honestly, even if you were really deseperate for money, you need to draw the line somewhere. Having live sex with a grapefruit surely falls WAY below that line in most people's books.
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He's effeminate, that's not the same as gay. and the only porn he's done has been solo.
basically what I'm saying is we don't want him, you take him.
yes, I've seen it. He fucks a grapefruit.
all the clips on musclehunks and powermen are jack/off clips. every bodybuilder you see there have jacked off in front of a camera crew multiple times.
in addition to Kai, the winner of the Arnold Pro, at least three of the athletes in this weekend's Arnold Amateur are also on those websites, including Julio Cesar Balestrin (as Julio Lopez), Pablo Ayala Zayas (as Roger Lockman), and Charles Mario Soares (as Alejandro Vega)
so, you speak for all gays? ::)
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I reckon Kai is not gay but either way this was a bodybuilding contest he won,not a who's the straightest contest
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" I reckon Kai is not gay but either way this was a bodybuilding contest he won,not a who's the straightest contest".
Dude - have you see his posing routine and some of his previous pix? The guy is as queer as a frog.
But I do agree with your latter point. And I agree, he brought in an awesome physique. He deserved to win.
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On a related note, why is it that his face still looks quite chubby and bloated, but his body was pretty hard and lean? To me, the lack of the "lean, sunken jaw" look, shows that he has the potential to come in even harder and leaner. Imagine how he would have looked with another 5-8 pounds of fat-loss!!
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On a related note, why is it that his face still looks quite chubby and bloated, but his body was pretty hard and lean? To me, the lack of the "lean, sunken jaw" look, shows that he has the potential to come in even harder and leaner. Imagine how he would have looked with another 5-8 pounds of fat-loss!!
If you think he has 5-8 lbs. of fat to lose, i'm not sure were talking about the same guy
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Chick - I agree, he came in looking awesome, great muscularity etc. He clearly came very close to hitting his conditioning right on, and I think he deserved to be right up there in the top three.
But still, I can't help but wonder about the chubby face. To me the leanness of a face of a bodybuilder is a key sign of what the rest of his body will look like in terms of how cut and conditioned it will be, suggesting to me that he had the potential to come in even leaner than he was. Any thoughts on that?
PS - would love to hear your thoughts on the whole ramifications of Kai winning. How it changes what is expected of posing routines. I presume there are some in the industry who are embarassed and unfomfortable with what happened, yet others who see this as a way forward, and a way to generate new interest.
PPS - I can't help wonder what was truely going through Arnold's mind when he presented the winning trophy. Any thoughts?
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PS - go to the very bottom of the pics on the first link, and you will see a guy of the type that BayGAM likes (I believe they are called muscle bears....).
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if kai is attracted to men, its in addition to being attracted to females, as he has had girlfriends in the past.
he seems like a straight man to me. i dont correlate artistic traits, or intellectual traits, with being feminine.
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Chick - I agree, he came in looking awesome, great muscularity etc. He clearly came very close to hitting his conditioning right on, and I think he deserved to be right up there in the top three.
But still, I can't help but wonder about the chubby face. To me the leanness of a face of a bodybuilder is a key sign of what the rest of his body will look like in terms of how cut and conditioned it will be, suggesting to me that he had the potential to come in even leaner than he was. Any thoughts on that?
PS - would love to hear your thoughts on the whole ramifications of Kai winning. How it changes what is expected of posing routines. I presume there are some in the industry who are embarassed and unfomfortable with what happened, yet others who see this as a way forward, and a way to generate new interest.
PPS - I can't help wonder what was truely going through Arnold's mind when he presented the winning trophy. Any thoughts?
His face IS leaner in contest shape...check him out in the offseason. Not everyone responds the same to diet
I dont think there are any ramifications of Kai winning...other than Kai winning
It wont generate any new interest, nor change what anyone else does....
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I dont think there are any ramifications of Kai winning...other than
It wont generate any new interest,
Exactly.
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The reason that Kai's face looks "chubby" is the anatomical structure of his face, in other words, the guy's got a big jawline with dense muscle on top of it!
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He's effeminate, that's not the same as gay. and the only porn he's done has been solo.
basically what I'm saying is we don't want him, you take him.
yes, I've seen it. He fucks a grapefruit.
all the clips on musclehunks and powermen are jack/off clips. every bodybuilder you see there have jacked off in front of a camera crew multiple times.
in addition to Kai, the winner of the Arnold Pro, at least three of the athletes in this weekend's Arnold Amateur are also on those websites, including Julio Cesar Balestrin (as Julio Lopez), Pablo Ayala Zayas (as Roger Lockman), and Charles Mario Soares (as Alejandro Vega)
wow..you are sure knowledgable on this subject....
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grapefruits are a citrus fruit... fruit.
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His face IS leaner in contest shape...check him out in the offseason. Not everyone responds the same to diet
I dont think there are any ramifications of Kai winning...other than Kai winning
It wont generate any new interest, nor change what anyone else does....
Regarding Kai's face, look at guys like Lee Priest, Cutler, Wolf, etc. Off season their faces bloat up, and when they are physically in shape, their faces are really lean. I maintain that to me, Kai's chubby face indicated he could have lost a little more water and fat, and come in even leaner.
Chick - I am not referring to Kai's background when I ask if this will change anything. What I mean is, what about the ramifications of Kai's posing routine? Some people have referred to it a "disguisting", "fag", "gay" etc and that he should have been disqualified. Other's consider it to be an a welcome change. I still have not made my mind up. What he did seems unorthodox to say the least. To me, people like Zane, Labrada, Matarazzo, Levrone etc epitomise what a good posing routine should be. Strong, bold, fluid poses, that show off key muscle groups in an elegant and dignified sequence of moves.
Can you give us an insight to what the other competitors think. I mean, to put it rather bluntly, you can't help wonder whether a guy like Branch is thinking to himself "OK, so to win, I gotta come in in great shape, and then get on dance around on stage like a faggott".???
Kai's routine is so different from everyone elses that it does raise the question of how to judge something like that. Do you give a guy additional points for handstands and breakdancing moves? Arguably, a person who demonstrates flexibility and strength combined with a physique should get more points, but I think either way competitors need to know where they stand on this. Is there any rule of the IFBB that you must not pose in a way that brings the sport into disripute? Because seriously, what Kai did, to many does fall into that category for sure (which is why I think Arnold was slightly unfomfortable and at a loss for words when he awarded the trophy).
Thanks - I really appreciate all your comments and insights etc.
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i think luke wood had that triple chin, even when at 5% body fat. genetics.
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Kai's routine is so different from everyone elses that it does raise the question of how to judge something like that.
the posing routine is done at the evening show. most of the scoring is done in the afternoon with mandatories and side by side comparisons. in the past, all of the scoring was done at the 'pre-judging', with the final placings determined before the evening show even began. now some points are awarded in the evening comparisons, which may change a placing or two, but not much more than that.
to put it another way, for almost 20 years now, it's been mass always wins over symmetry and proportionality. why would posing style suddenly matter?
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So if 2 guys are ranked equal, and one poses like Branch (or the rest of the guys) and one poses totally different (like Kai), who should win?