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Chinese Vessels Shadow, Harass Unarmed U.S. Survey Ship
By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, March 9, 2009 – Five Chinese vessels shadowed and aggressively maneuvered close to the USNS Impeccable in the South China Sea yesterday, a senior Pentagon official said today.
The U.S. oceanographic ship was 70 miles south of Hainan Island conducting routine operations in international waters when the ships approached, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said.
“We view these as unprofessional maneuvers by the Chinese vessels and violations under international law to operate with due regard for the rights and safety of other lawful users of the ocean,” Whitman said.
A civilian crew mans the ship, which operates under the auspices of the Military Sealift Command.
The incident began as the ships surrounded the Impeccable and two craft closed to within 50 feet, Whitman said. The Chinese ships included a Chinese navy intelligence collection ship, a Bureau of Maritime Fisheries patrol vessel, a State Oceanographic Administration patrol vessel and two small Chinese-flagged trawlers.
Crewmen aboard the Impeccable used fire hoses to spray one of the vessels as a protective measure. The Chinese crewmembers disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet.
The Chinese vessels dropped pieces of wood in the water directly in the Impeccable’s path, and two of the ships stopped directly in the U.S. vessel’s path, forcing it to stop.
Whitman said the Chinese used poles in an attempt to snag the Impeccable’s towed acoustic array sonars. Impeccable’s master used bridge-to-bridge radio circuits to inform the Chinese ships in a friendly manner that it was leaving the area and requested a safe path to navigate.
“These are dangerous close maneuvers that these vessels engaged in,” Whitman said.
The incident was the culmination of earlier harassment. A Chinese patrol vessel shined a high-intensity spotlight March 4 on the USNS Victorious operating in the Yellow Sea 125 miles from China’s coast. Chinese maritime aircraft “buzzed” the ship 12 times March 5.
A Chinese frigate crossed the bow of the Impeccable at a range of about 100 yards March 5. Maritime aircraft buzzed the ship after that incident.
Another Chinese ship challenged Impeccable over bridge-to-bridge radio March 7, calling its operations illegal and directing the American ship to leave the area or “suffer the consequences,” officials said.
The Impeccable is one of six surveillance ships that gather underwater acoustical data, Whitman said. U.S. ships routinely operate in the area.
“We expect Chinese ships to act responsibly and refrain from provocative activities that could lead to miscalculation or a collision at sea, endangering vessels and the lives of U.S. and Chinese mariners,” a Defense Department official said.
U.S. embassy officials lodged a protest against these actions with the Foreign Ministry in China, and Defense Department officials have protested with the Chinese embassy here.
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I have to get back to work but we got this...the Reuters story has the Chinese version..imagine that.
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"Crewmen aboard the Impeccable used fire hoses to spray one of the vessels as a protective measure. The Chinese crewmembers disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet"
So they basically had a water gun fight on the open seas?
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"Crewmen aboard the Impeccable used fire hoses to spray one of the vessels as a protective measure. The Chinese crewmembers disrobed to their underwear and continued closing to within 25 feet"
So they basically had a water gun fight on the open seas?
Thats some weird shit.... :-\
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i read the ship was using sonar to map out a new submmarine base the chinese are building
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Well, they were 75 miles from anywhere...and the whole underwear part...weird about covers it.
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If it weren't for the fact that the Chinese want our lunch I'd just disregard this last "encounter" as another example of how GAY the marines are.
What was a US navy ship doing 75 miles from the Chinese coast though?
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Ah..Marines...it was a Navy boat. We were 75 miles from an Island and thats what we do.....collect on their shit. The Chinese got pissed and sent some boats at us.
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Ah..Marines...it was a Navy boat. We were 75 miles from an Island and thats what we do.....collect on their shit. The Chinese got pissed and sent some boats at us.
And that's what you guys do to drive the other boats off your space? A friggin water fight? Come out of the closet already!
Also, it wasn't "we" that were 75 miles away on that day, it was a US navy vessel. I was in Jersey City at the time.
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the navy ordered a destroyer to keep an eye on the spy ship
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Navy has assigned a heavily armed destroyer to escort the U.S. surveillance ship that got into a high-seas confrontation with Chinese ships last weekend.
A defense official says the Hawaii-based destroyer "Chung-Hoon" is keeping a close eye on the unarmed sub-hunting ship "Impeccable" as it continues operations in the South China Sea. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to describe sensitive ship movements.
The official says the escort ship joined the Impeccable on Wednesday.
China has demanded that the United States quit surveillance work in a disputed area far off the Chinese coastline. U.S. officials say they won't back off.
The Chung-Hoon is among the Navy's newest and most sophisticated warships. It joined
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Read between the lines guys
Renowned economist Peter Morici told the House Committee on Foreign Affairs that the current financial crisis had its roots in trade policy and the actions of foreign governments, according to a copy of his statement provided by the Web site TradeReform.org.
Testifying before the Subcommittee on Terrorism, Nonproliferation and Trade, Morici told its members that the U.S. economy is on the verge of a depression mainly due to America’s exploding trade deficit and China’s managed trade policies which allow the country to flood U.S. markets with its products.
The main tool China uses to maintain its huge trade surplus with America is its well-known practice of currency manipulation. By purposely undervaluing the yuan, China artificially forces the price of its exports down, making them all the more appealing to consumers in America. Unfortunately, if American consumers are buying Chinese products, they are not buying American products.
“The undervalued yuan provides Chinese manufacturers with a huge export subsidy and a hidden tariff on imports,” Morici said. “China is using its currency as a development tool, but this victimizes otherwise competitive businesses and their employees in the United States.”
China also uses high import tariffs to discourage imports. Through those tariffs and other regulations, China is also able to encourage American companies to outsource production to their country, with a consumer market of over one billion people and an abundance of extremely cheap labor. This throws the balance of trade between the two nations further out of equilibrium and accelerates the decline in American manufacturing, according to Morici.
Morici also stated that through America’s unsustainable trade deficit with China and other nations, an influx of foreign capital flooded the American market, creating a false sense of economic security when in fact, much of it was used to fund the housing bubble.
“The fact is most of the money was raised by borrowing or selling off fixed assets and was not new productive investments,” he said. “Much was used to prop up consumption, and some was used to leverage investment schemes that proved more speculative than productive. Much was provided by sovereigns and near sovereigns who were merely looking for hard currency parking places for cash and safe political environments in the event political conditions changed elsewhere in the world.” Addressing America’s massive trade deficit with China is the most pressing policy matter facing the country, according to Morici. If not brought under control, the U.S. will be forced to continue borrowing huge sums of money, further adding to America’s debt in order to fund more rounds of bailouts and stimulus packages simply to keep the economy from falling off the cliff.
If done right, it would do more to improve America’s economy than the stimulus package and also reinvigorate America’s floundering manufacturing base.
“Eliminating the trade deficit with China by eliminating or at least redressing currency manipulation would have a much greater stimulus effect on the economy than the package just approved by Congress,” he said. “It would inspire a renaissance in manufacturing and restore American growth and wages in a manner and magnitude no public policy this Congress could implement could ever achieve. Simply, it would permanently increase aggregate demand for U.S. goods and services, while raising revenue for positive public purposes; it would restore incentives for the efficient use of labor and capital that free trade should normally provide.”
Some may view these American measures as protectionism, however, Morici told Congress that it is China that is practicing protectionism and America must adopt a posture of self-defense and self-preservation in order to combat China’s managed trade policies.
“Redressing the trade deficit with China in this manner would not be protectionist,” Morici said. “China’s actions now are protectionist. China’s policies are about as protectionist and predatory as could ever be conceived by the most skilled Seventeenth Century mercantilist, and are an absolute threat to U.S. prosperity and sovereignty.”
On the same day Morici testified on the importance of combating China’s currency manipulation, Bloomberg News is reporting that, behind the scenes, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is pushing Group of Seven officials to soften their criticism of China for the very same practice.
Just weeks after publicly accusing China of currency manipulation during his Senate confirmation hearings, Geithner is now reversing course and caving to Chinese demands it appears.
I guess, as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton once said, it’s hard to get tough on your banker. China is currently the biggest foreign owner of U.S. Treasuries, holding $696 billion at the end of December. China possesses leverage over the U.S., but America cannot abandon its fight to end China's currency manipulation if our economy is to survive the current economic war.
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Chinese ships in the South China Sea, wow, that doesn't make any sense, I mean, why would they be there? ::)
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And that's what you guys do to drive the other boats off your space? A friggin water fight? Come out of the closet already!
Also, it wasn't "we" that were 75 miles away on that day, it was a US navy vessel. I was in Jersey City at the time.
LMAO!!!
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And that's what you guys do to drive the other boats off your space? A friggin water fight? Come out of the closet already!
Also, it wasn't "we" that were 75 miles away on that day, it was a US navy vessel. I was in Jersey City at the time.
If u don't consider urself American then I can't help u.
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Libs aren't American, they HATE America. They are akin to muslims.
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If u don't consider urself American then I can't help u.
No, you seem not to understand simple things: I am a gringo, but my gringo ass has never been anywhere close to China. Thus the use of "we" is incorrect.
It's like Michael Phelps and all his medals and all these idiots walking around saying "we" won and the like.
MEMO: Michael Phelps won, you didn't.
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Look dude, being as ur a citizen and what happens in the South China sea, good,bad or indifferent, will affect u. I'd say that "we" is pretty damm appropriate.
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Look dude, being as ur a citizen and what happens in the South China sea, good,bad or indifferent, will affect u. I'd say that "we" is pretty damm appropriate.
I do not think so GI Joe!
We've been through this before. Don fucking count me in. Whatever you guys are doing down there you're on your own. Fucking deal with it and don't make it sound as though you're doing us all a favor.
Whether 2 billion Chinese get to check your anus because you got caught sneaking around their shit doesn't do jack shit to my passport.
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Yet one more reason why I hate liberal douchebags like u...ur a fucking American dipshit. This matters....but u could always leave.
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Yet one more reason why I hate liberal douchebags like u...ur a fucking American dipshit. This matters....but u could always leave.
One more reason why you shouldn't use the "we" in everything you say (i.e. "we're going to the bathroom"; correction: YOU are going to the bathroom. "We're gonna take a shit and then smoke some weed". Correction: YOU're gonna take a shit and YOU are gonna smoke some weed).
Why don't YOU leave the US maricón? Go ahead, go kill something around the equator.
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No...I actually do something productive for the country. I don't smoke pot and never say we, when going to the bathroom. I guess it wouldn't be "we" if the damm chinks decided to nuke us right? Its "we" dumbass because if things went badly for some reason with China, u'd be feeling the fall-out economically or militarily.
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No...I actually do something productive for the country. I don't smoke pot and never say we, when going to the bathroom. I guess it wouldn't be "we" if the damm chinks decided to nuke us right? Its "we" dumbass because if things went badly for some reason with China, u'd be feeling the fall-out economically or militarily.
Chinks? What about the Japs? Kikes? ni gg ers? ::)
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Oh did that term hurt ur feelings...geee I'm so sorry. Ur an idiot.
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dude ::)
What? ???
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No...I actually do something productive for the country. I don't smoke pot and never say we, when going to the bathroom. I guess it wouldn't be "we" if the damm chinks decided to nuke us right? Its "we" dumbass because if things went badly for some reason with China, u'd be feeling the fall-out economically or militarily.
Yeah, yet another enemy that wants to nuke us!
Getdafuckouttaheah!!
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Yeah, yet another enemy that wants to nuke us!
Getdafuckouttaheah!!
That made me L O L ;D
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Oh did that term hurt ur feelings...geee I'm so sorry. Ur an idiot.
You're nothing but a friggin tool. No more no less. You do as your told by your superiors and you confuse that with patriotism. You are nothing but a "loaded gun".
Keep spewing vile.
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Libs aren't American, they HATE America. They are akin to muslims.
Careful, the majority of your country is defined as libs, based upon the 52.9% Obama got in the election.
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Careful, the majority of your country is defined as libs, based upon the 52.9% Obama got in the election.
Statistics are for libs, percentages are for libs!!!!!!!!
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Statistics are for libs, percentages are for libs!!!!!!!!
remember when the neocons saw the daily electoral polling (which, in the case of fivethirtyeight.com turned out to be 100% accurate for every state)?
They said the polling firms were all wrong. That they were all liberal think tanks, and that mcCain's "internal polling" was the only one to trust. Yes, the man who is behind 4 to 5% nationally in every poll has the most motive to be honest about his chances...
Sadly, it's these same folks who are screaming "The Dems are gonna lose congress in 2010!" at the moment, despite new polling showing Obama sitll in the 60s, and the Dem-controlled congress at 39% approval, which is over double where they were a year ago.
I guess numbers are for libs too.
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remember when the neocons saw the daily electoral polling (which, in the case of fivethirtyeight.com turned out to be 100% accurate for every state)?
They said the polling firms were all wrong. That they were all liberal think tanks, and that mcCain's "internal polling" was the only one to trust. Yes, the man who is behind 4 to 5% nationally in every poll has the most motive to be honest about his chances...
Sadly, it's these same folks who are screaming "The Dems are gonna lose congress in 2010!" at the moment, despite new polling showing Obama sitll in the 60s, and the Dem-controlled congress at 39% approval, which is over double where they were a year ago.
I guess numbers are for libs too.
Yep
I'm thinking about going neocon. Less thinking, more cussing and name calling!
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Yep
I'm thinking about going neocon. Less thinking, more cussing and name calling!
Plus you can think about anal sex with men all day, and it's okay as long as you ask for forgiveness each night after jerking off during the O'Reilly Factor.
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Plus you can think about anal sex with men all day, and it's okay as long as you ask for forgiveness each night after jerking off during the O'Reilly Factor.
HAHAHAHAH
So accurate!
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Plus you can think about anal sex with men all day, and it's okay as long as you ask for forgiveness each night after jerking off during the O'Reilly Factor.
Jumping bathroom stalls in public areas is a perk for them also.... :-X
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You're nothing but a friggin tool. No more no less. You do as your told by your superiors and you confuse that with patriotism. You are nothing but a "loaded gun".
Keep spewing vile.
Waaaa.....keep living in fuzzy bunny land dude. Ur the tool dipshit.