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the texans. For schaub and a 3rd in 2010
yipee
no link yet. Will be finalized tuesday
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emphasis on no link. I'm not sure the validity of this
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if true, imagine being a broncos fan right now lol
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if true, imagine being a broncos fan right now lol
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well if it was real, cutler hasnt done anything schaub hasnt and cant do.
schaub is solid
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well if it was real, cutler hasnt done anything schaub hasnt and cant do.
schaub is solid
he made the pro bowl :)
you honestly think this is a good deal for denver?
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is this for real where did you hear this 2nd?
schuab is decent for the most part i honestly dont know if i like it or not as a texans fan. Another year with a new qb ::) for the love of shit im was just warming up to schuab.
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he made the pro bowl :)
you honestly think this is a good deal for denver?
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Brett Farve made the pro bowl last year.....Cutler is a very good QB and it has nothing to do with being the pro bowl. In 2007 8 Patriots went to the pro-bowl, in 2009 2 went. Did the players who went in 2007 all the sudden start to suck? The pro-bowl has just as much to do with popularity as it does stats. Why don't you put any stock in Cutlers record?
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What's the source for this story?
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Brett Farve made the pro bowl last year.....Cutler is a very good QB and it has nothing to do with being the pro bowl. In 2007 8 Patriots went to the pro-bowl, in 2009 2 went. Did the players who went in 2007 all the sudden start to suck? The pro-bowl has just as much to do with popularity as it does stats. Why don't you put any stock in Cutlers record?
but cutler is not popular, he put up numbers deserving of the pro bowl
the broncos as a team suck, it takes more than just a qb to win
the way big ben played last season, the steelers wouldn't have made the playoffs without the dominant defense
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i think cutlers a good qb that being said it seems like drama finds this kid, the rivers situation and then this in all honesty he is a professional and is getting paid good money to play so i think he needs to stfu and play regardless of whether they are shopping him around or not. I think he would do good here in Houston the fans are pretty loyal as David(worst first pick) carr will tell you but i dont want to hear him whining about this or that stfu and do you job.
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but cutler is not popular, he put up numbers deserving of the pro bowl
the broncos as a team suck, it takes more than just a qb to win
the way big ben played last season, the steelers wouldn't have made the playoffs without the dominant defense
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The Broncos didn't suck when Cutler came there. Mike Shanahan is one of the best coaches of all time. Cassel had numbers that where just as good as Cutlers and his team won. All I'm saying is that I can see why Mc D would try to bring in Cassel. He knows the kid and he knows that he can do well in his system from day one.
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The Broncos didn't suck when Cutler came there. Mike Shanahan is one of the best coaches of all time. Cassel had numbers that where just as good as Cutlers and his team won. All I'm saying is that I can see why Mc D would try to bring in Cassel. He knows the kid and he knows that he can do well in his system from day one.
they were going nowhere with jake plummer
best coaches of all time? 1 playoff win in 10 years WITHOUT JOHN ELWAY AND TERREL DAVIS puts him among the best coaches?
i gotta disagree with you there, don't forget he wasn't too good with the raiders either
cassel had much better players around him offensively and defensively
i do see why mcdaniels would want cassel, but i also understand why cutler would want a trade
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I thought my Lions were in the race for Cutler and why would the Texans wanna get rid of Schaub. I thought Matt and Andre Johnson were looking pretty good along with Steve Slatton in the backfield. I swear that my Lions have to be the worse franchise in all of sports. I do not even think that the owner even cares about the team or even the fans.
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its a strong possibility the jets are gonna get cutler.
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its a strong possibility the jets are gonna get cutler.
McDaniel's needs a QB. What are the Jets going to give him? This one sounds less likely than your first one, but god that would suck. The AFC east would be unreal. It is already tough as hell.
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its a strong possibility the jets are gonna get cutler.
post a link or youre bullshitting just like the texans rumor
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post a link or youre bullshitting just like the texans rumor
St Louie and Detriot have way more fire power to get Cutler. Way more. They have much better draft picks.
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St Louie and Detriot have way more fire power to get Cutler. Way more. They have much better draft picks.
a proven qb for a draft pick? I know he is upset and shit but if he is still there he is gonna play, iono who their back up is but probably that sets the broncos back another year or two.
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post a link or youre bullshitting just like the texans rumor
how about, fuck you.
i think that works
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a proven qb for a draft pick? I know he is upset and shit but if he is still there he is gonna play, iono who their back up is but probably that sets the broncos back another year or two.
Thats my point.....The only way Mc D lets Cutler go is if he scores tons of draft picks. Matbe St Louie could offer Bulger and 10 million picks, but I doubt it happens.
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Redskins media just confirmed that they are committed to Jason Campbell at QB for 2009 rather than entertain trade talks for Cutler.
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Redskins media just confirmed that they are committed to Jason Campbell at QB for 2009 rather than entertain trade talks for Cutler.
ewww damn cutler with the skins would have been damn good would have made another powerhouse division.
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Thats my point.....The only way Mc D lets Cutler go is if he scores tons of draft picks. Matbe St Louie could offer Bulger and 10 million picks, but I doubt it happens.
ya i agree, i really dont think he ends up going anywhere.
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Was watching NFL live on ESPN and Trent Dilfer made a good suggestion.
He suggested that Detroit trade for Cutler, trade down the #1 pick for a left tackle, and get an additional first rounder. By doing so you build the base of your offense from the ground up and now you have a QB with a gun-slinger mentality to throw to Calvin Johnson. Detroits offensive scheme would suit Cutler perfectly.
Dilfer is obviously an offense-minded guy. But Detroit needs to build through the draft on defense also.
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Was watching NFL live on ESPN and Trent Dilfer made a good suggestion.
He suggested that Detroit trade for Cutler, trade down the #1 pick for a left tackle, and get an additional first rounder. By doing so you build the base of your offense from the ground up and now you have a QB with a gun-slinger mentality to throw to Calvin Johnson. Detroits offensive scheme would suit Cutler perfectly.
Dilfer is obviously an offense-minded guy. But Detroit needs to build through the draft on defense also.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING IN THIS POST!!
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Was watching NFL live on ESPN and Trent Dilfer made a good suggestion.
He suggested that Detroit trade for Cutler, trade down the #1 pick for a left tackle, and get an additional first rounder. By doing so you build the base of your offense from the ground up and now you have a QB with a gun-slinger mentality to throw to Calvin Johnson. Detroits offensive scheme would suit Cutler perfectly.
Dilfer is obviously an offense-minded guy. But Detroit needs to build through the draft on defense also.
Agreed, this is what Detriot should have done with Cassel. Give up the late first rounder and take the best LT in college with pick 1 (no one would want that pick, the risk is to high....many teams trying to trade down this year). Miami did this last year with Long and Henne. Cassel is a pro-bowl type player and they could have nabbed him for a late first rounder and got the best LT in the draft, while having their full stack of draft picks.....dumb.
In regards to Cutler, it would be tough to get the Broncs to bite on the number one pick (since they pick high)...but if they could trade the pick down to 10 or so, and they where willing to give up their second round pick also, plus a first in 2010, Josh might do it.
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ya i agree, i really dont think he ends up going anywhere.
bowlen suggested otherwise. He doesn't think he needs to be there if he's not a "happy camper" They'll look to do something imo.
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bowlen suggested otherwise. He doesn't think he needs to be there if he's not a "happy camper" They'll look to do something imo.
I really dont doubt them looking to do something just that they wont get what they consider enough to trade him imho.
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I really dont doubt them looking to do something just that they wont get what they consider enough to trade him imho.
it's a done deal, he'll be traded and no, they probably won't get a good deal out of this.
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it's a done deal, he'll be traded and no, they probably won't get a good deal out of this.
OMG....you just posted off the Politics Board! Holy Shit! :o
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Good for him. Denver created this mess.
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Man, the Panthers should send Peppers for Cutler and swap some picks......
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OMG....you just posted off the Politics Board! Holy Shit! :o
WTF, I've posted here many times.
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Good for him. Denver created this mess.
we agree on something. :D others don't tho
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we agree on something. :D others don't tho
One of those rare moments. :) We're definitely in the minority. I think McDaniels screwed up by telling Cutler when McDaniels first arrived that he took the job because of Cutler, then tried to trade him without telling Cutler, then lied about trying to trade him, then basically told him he could still be traded. Multiple blunders.
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anything final yet? honestly i think he is acting like a little bitch, god forbid this kid ever gets benched for sucking it up in a game or even worse a few games im mean gezzz louise your getting paid millions do your fuking job.
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I still say Detroit or the Jets. The Redskins may be a dark horse candidate even if they have publicly declared Jason Campbell as their starter.
One interesting note about the Redskins is that Campbell is entering the final year of his contract and has not been offered an extension yet. Cutler's contract is considered a bargain and is cap-friendly for most teams to take on. I'm thinking the Redskins make a play for him. Cutler may be a bitch but there is no denying this kid's talent. 4500+ passing yards is pretty impressive. If not for Denver's shitty defense, his won-loss record would be much better.
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I still say Detroit or the Jets. The Redskins may be a dark horse candidate even if they have publicly declared Jason Campbell as their starter.
One interesting note about the Redskins is that Campbell is entering the final year of his contract and has not been offered an extension yet. Cutler's contract is considered a bargain and is cap-friendly for most teams to take on. I'm thinking the Redskins make a play for him. Cutler may be a bitch but there is no denying this kid's talent. 4500+ passing yards is pretty impressive. If not for Denver's shitty defense, his won-loss record would be much better.
jets or skins is instant playoff possiblity for them
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I still say Detroit or the Jets. The Redskins may be a dark horse candidate even if they have publicly declared Jason Campbell as their starter.
One interesting note about the Redskins is that Campbell is entering the final year of his contract and has not been offered an extension yet. Cutler's contract is considered a bargain and is cap-friendly for most teams to take on. I'm thinking the Redskins make a play for him. Cutler may be a bitch but there is no denying this kid's talent. 4500+ passing yards is pretty impressive. If not for Denver's shitty defense, his won-loss record would be much better.
C'mon Detroit
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C'mon Detroit
Very real possiblity. Trade the #1 pick, draft the best left tackle available in the draft, and pick up an outside LB with a late first rounder. The Lions would have a great offensive foundation, literally overnight. I'm pulling for the Lions to start winning. No one deserves to go 0-16. However, there's no guarantee that Stafford will turn out to be above average.
Imagine Cutler slinging deep balls to Calvin Johnson on the dome turf. Those two would light up the scoreboard, holy shit!
Megatron is an absolute monster. With a good quarterback he would put up ridiculous stats.
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Very real possiblity. Trade the #1 pick, draft the best left tackle available in the draft, and pick up an outside LB with a late first rounder. The Lions would have a great offensive foundation, literally overnight. I'm pulling for the Lions to start winning. No one deserves to go 0-16. However, there's no guarantee that Stafford will turn out to be above average.
Imagine Cutler slinging deep balls to Calvin Johnson on the dome turf. Those two would light up the scoreboard, holy shit!
Megatron is an absolute monster. With a good quarterback he would put up ridiculous stats.
i think cutler to the skins or the jets would be better to watch gonna take a season or two at least to get the lions back on a winning track, skins or jets both have solid O's with good running games and a number of good recievers.
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anything final yet? honestly i think he is acting like a little bitch, god forbid this kid ever gets benched for sucking it up in a game or even worse a few games im mean gezzz louise your getting paid millions do your fuking job.
yes, final Denver said he's gone. How we don't know yet.
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yes, final Denver said he's gone. How we don't know yet.
that sucks for denver man its probably gonna be another season or two before they are up to par...as a texans fan i know your pain hugo
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strong possibility he'll go to the skins
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strong possibility he'll go to the skins
strong improvement for them if it happens campbell sucked it up towards the end of the season last year and wasnt really consistent, to many good players on that team to waste on another mediocre season especially if portis is healthy.
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that sucks for denver man its probably gonna be another season or two before they are up to par...as a texans fan i know your pain hugo
I might become a Texans fan actually. right now I don't know what it's going to take for me to be a Broncos fan. There has to be some serious redemtion before I'll give a shit again. Pretty pissed right now.
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I knew I was right about the Redskins. To be fair, I do live outside of Baltimore. But it's only a 35 minute drive to DC heading south on the 295 Balt-Wash expressway. The local media and the Washington Post have been leaking rumors and info about Dan Snyder's desire to acquire Cutler.
Jason Campbell, from what I've heard through sources close to some of his Redskin's teammates, feel Campbell lacks the IQ to efficiently run Jim Zorn's offense. He's given a basic offensive package of plays to learn(like 40 plays) per game, rather than possessing the entire knowledge of the playbook.
Physically, Campbell is impressive. Above-average arm strength, and better-than-expected scrambling ability, despite his size. But it's what he's lacking between the ears that counts the most. Denver is not interested in acquiring Campbell in a possible trade, which speaks volumes. They're asking for two first-rounders but I think they'll settle for a 1st and a 3rd, with another defensive player thrown in the mix.
If the Redskins acquire Cutler, it's easy money that they will be a strong playoff contender. The Redskins play good defense. Acquiring Haynesworth and Deangelo Hall on defense will only make them better, defensively. Cutler's won-loss record as a starter is tainted because Denver has a real shitty defense.
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I knew I was right about the Redskins. To be fair, I do live outside of Baltimore. But it's only a 35 minute drive to DC heading south on the 295 Balt-Wash expressway. The local media and the Washington Post have been leaking rumors and info about Dan Snyder's desire to acquire Cutler.
Jason Campbell, from what I've heard through sources close to some of his Redskin's teammates, feel Campbell lacks the IQ to efficiently run Jim Zorn's offense. He's given a basic offensive package of plays to learn(like 40 plays) per game, rather than possessing the entire knowledge of the playbook.
Physically, Campbell is impressive. Above-average arm strength, and better-than-expected scrambling ability, despite his size. But it's what he has between the ears that counts the most. Denver is not interested in acquiring Campbell in a possible trade, which speaks volumes. They're asking for two first-rounders but I think they'll settle for a 1st and a 3rd, with another defensive player thrown in the mix.
that would suck b/c they are in the same division with the cowboys but man that would make another good division to watch next year
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that would suck b/c they are in the same division with the cowboys but man that would make another good division to watch next year
If the Redskins acquire Cutler, they will will finish above Dallas in the NFC east. Write it down.
Until the Cowboys get rid of Wade phillips, the Cowboys are not going anywhere.
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If the Redskins acquire Cutler, they will will finish above Dallas in the NFC east. Write it down.
Until the Cowboys get rid of Wade phillips, the Cowboys are not going anywhere.
ya i dont doubt it, which is what im kinda afraid of you never know though, no T.O next year ;D felix jones will be back if romo can get his shit together they might do some damage.
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If the Redskins acquire Cutler, they will will finish above Dallas in the NFC east. Write it down.
Until the Cowboys get rid of Wade phillips, the Cowboys are not going anywhere.
wade is an excellent d-coordinator.
i know you saw what happened when he called plays on d at the end of last year, minus the eagles game
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ya i dont doubt it, which is what im kinda afraid of you never know though, no T.O next year ;D felix jones will be back if romo can get his shit together they might do some damage.
They need to adopt a strong defensive mentality. They have to be the most finesse-oriented teams in the league. That's why I was worried that Ray Lewis was going to be a Cowboy. He would have provided a huge makeover for the Cowboys on the defensive side of the ball. New attitude, and playing with a tougher physicality. Instant Superbowl contender, in my opinion. Yes, Ray Lewis brings that much to the table.
It's surprising that they're an offensive-minded team considering that Phillips is a defensive-minded coach. But Jerry Jones loves offensive firepower. All of his biggest trades in the past 10 years almost always involved offensive players.
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They have to be the most finesse-oriented teams in the league.
what? their o-line are a bunch of monsters and their rb is known for being a gritty-grind it out type runner.
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what? their o-line are a bunch of monsters and their rb is known for being a gritty-grind it out type runner.
I tend to relate offensive-minded teams as being finesse. To be fair, the Cowboys can definitely pound the rock and grind it out with Barber. Defensively? That's where they are lacking. Therefore, my opinion is that they are finesse.
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Again the Lions lose!! I swear Detroit should fold
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I tend to relate offensive-minded teams as being finesse. To be fair, the Cowboys can definitely pound the rock and grind it out with Barber. Defensively? That's where they are lacking. Therefore, my opinion is that they are finesse.
i agree and disagree at the same time, last year they werent as physical defensivly as they have in the past, zach is still pretty physical, haynesworth, the safety for the life of my i cant remember his name right now really disapointed last year shit whats his name...he is not the best safety in the league coverage wise but man that guy normally will knock your block off if he gets that change, williams i believe.
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Again the Lions lose!! I swear Detroit should fold
Sorry bro. It seems like nobody wants that #1 pick. With the current state of the auto industry in Detroit and the overall economy, it doesn't look like Detroit's ownership wants to shell out the big dollars for what Stafford would command if drafted #1. Furthermore, nothing in my mind jumps out at me about Stafford. His biggest strength is his intelligence and passion for the game. He loves football and he's battle tested playing in the tough SEC. He will play a decent number of years in his career in the NFL. Will probably play for three different teams over that time. My opinion, of course.
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i agree and disagree at the same time, last year they werent as physical defensivly as they have in the past, zach is still pretty physical, haynesworth, the safety for the life of my i cant remember his name right now really disapointed last year shit whats his name...he is not the best safety in the league coverage wise but man that guy normally will knock your block off if he gets that change, williams i believe.
Roy Williams? He's gone. Was granted his release. Not as bad in coverage as everyone thinks. He just lacks good awareness when trying to help out the cornerback over the top in zone coverage.
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cutler is an over hyped brat
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Cutler to Bears Damn, my Lions should have jumped in on him
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interesting.....all that drama for nothing in d.c.
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Roy Williams? He's gone. Was granted his release. Not as bad in coverage as everyone thinks. He just lacks good awareness when trying to help out the cornerback over the top in zone coverage.
shaft i guess i think they have a decent safety to replace him though if im not mistaken.
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cutler is an over hyped brat
definitly a brat ill give you that he is a good qb though
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interesting.....all that drama for nothing in d.c.
Yup. The sticking point was that Denver didn't want Campbell in return. The Redskins were offering Campbell, 1st and 3rd round picks for Cutler. The Bears offered two 1st rounders and Kyle Orton. Hefty price but a great move for da Bears! The Bears finally have a QB since yikes, Jim Mcmahon!
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Good trade for the Bears.
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damn it i cant wait for football season to start again
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Good trade for the Bears.
Agreed. Broncs take Sanchez or try to pry Quinn from Mangina.
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2 first round picks for the next two years.
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2 first round picks for the next two years.
And a 3rd for 2009. Bears gave up an awful lot.
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And a 3rd for 2009. Bears gave up an awful lot.
Not necessarily. The Bears are a good team and will probably pick near the end of the first next year. Anything after about the first five picks is a crapshoot in the draft. They really just got the missing link for their offense. They still need a WR, but this definitely a move in the right direction. I'm one who believes proven players are better risks than draft picks.
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Not necessarily. The Bears are a good team and will probably pick near the end of the first next year. Anything after about the first five picks is a crapshoot in the draft. They really just got the missing link for their offense. They still need a WR, but this definitely a move in the right direction. I'm one who believes proven players are better risks than draft picks.
I agree this is the main thing thats been missing for them imo, and he is still very young and healthy...
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Not necessarily. The Bears are a good team and will probably pick near the end of the first next year. Anything after about the first five picks is a crapshoot in the draft. They really just got the missing link for their offense. They still need a WR, but this definitely a move in the right direction. I'm one who believes proven players are better risks than draft picks.
The Bears gave up a lot. Two 1st rounders and an additional 3rd is a big price. Not mention you're throwing in a decent QB in Kyle Orton, who was really starting to come into his own last season, in my opinion. He'll thrive in Mcdaniels offense in Denver, you'll see. I don't think Cutler's addition necessarily makes the Bears an instant contender because like you said, they still need a WR that can stretch the field. Devin Hester is not the answer.
Denver got the better end of this deal, in my opinion. Suppose Chicago finishes with only six or seven wins. that would give Denver a possible top 10 first round pick in 2010 to go along with their own 1st rounder. Same situation applies to their 2009 draft. Denver has two selections in the 1st round, their 2nd, and two 3rd rounders this year. They can really strengthen their defense with the draft over their next two off-seasons.
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The Bears gave up a lot. Two 1st rounders and an additional 3rd is a big price. Not mention you're throwing in a decent QB in Kyle Orton, who was really starting to come into his own last season, in my opinion. He'll thrive in Mcdaniels offense in Denver, you'll see.
Denver got the better end of this deal.
I wouldnt be suprised to see orton do good next yr to be honest i think he did ok last year, question is will cutler do good in chicago?
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The Bears gave up a lot. Two 1st rounders and an additional 3rd is a big price. Not mention you're throwing in a decent QB in Kyle Orton, who was really starting to come into his own last season, in my opinion. He'll thrive in Mcdaniels offense in Denver, you'll see. I don't think Cutler's addition necessarily makes the Bears an instant contender because like you said, they still need a WR that can stretch the field. Devin Hester is not the answer.
Denver got the better end of this deal, in my opinion. Suppose Chicago finishes with only six or seven wins. that would give Denver a possible top 10 first round pick in 2010 to go along with their own 1st rounder. Same situation applies to their 2009 draft. Denver has two selections in the 1st round, their 2nd, and two 3rd rounders this year. They can really strengthen their defense with the draft over their next two off-seasons.
It's a big price if Denver is able to use the picks to draft a QB that will be as good or better than Cutler, AND draft another impact player with the other first round pick. Odds are they will not find that player with the 18th pick this year or the probable late first round pick next year. If you look at the players drafted at 18 and below, you'll see pretty wild hits and misses. I'd take a young Pro Bowl QB over a late first round pick draft pick any day of the week. I even think the Lions would have been better off trading the no. 1 overall pick (likely Stafford) for Cutler.
I'll be very surprised if the Bears only win 6 or 7 games next year. It's possible, but unlikely.
And you do have to consider the Bears drafting/QB history. Here are their QBs since 2000:
Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Chris Chandler
Henry Burris
Kordell Stewart
Rex Grossman
Chad Hutchinson
Jonathan Quinn
Craig Krenzel
Kyle Orton
Cutler is head and shoulders better than every single one of these guys. If Chicago didn't make this trade they were probably destined for ten more years of pretty crappy QB play.
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Denver will use the picks from the Bears to trade up and select Mark Sanchez in the top 10, maybe even the top 5. Sanchez is high on their radar at this point.
You're right, draft picks are never a guarantee for success in the NFL. Proven free agents are always the first choice. And Denver's front office has not proven to be the best in the NFL, lately. We'll see how it pans out for the Broncos.
I do know that if the Ravens were given two 1st rounders, you better believe they would fully utilize those picks and I would feel confident that they would draft good players. The Ravens have proven that they definitely know how to scout talent, sans Kyle Boller.
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Denver will use the picks from the Bears to trade up and select Mark Sanchez in the top 10, maybe even the top 5. Sanchez is high on their radar at this point.
You're right, draft picks are never a guarantee for success in the NFL. Proven free agents are always the first choice. And Denver's front office has not proven to be the best in the NFL, lately. We'll see how it pans out for the Broncos.
I do know that if the Ravens were given two 1st rounders, you better believe they would fully utilize those picks and I would feel confident that they would draft good players. The Ravens have proven that they definitely know how to scout talent, sans Kyle Boller.
Newsome does an excellent job.
I wish my Niners could have gotten Cutler.
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Newsome does an excellent job.
I wish my Niners could have gotten Cutler.
Looks like they're still holding out hope for Alex Smith to finally arrive. A LOT of money was invested in that kid from the front office so you better believe that they've had to be as patient as possible with him. This is his last year to prove himself or you're looking at Ryan Leaf, part 2.
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Looks like they're still holding out hope for Alex Smith to finally arrive. A LOT of money was invested in that kid from the front office so you better believe that they've had to be as patient as possible with him. This is his last year to prove himself or you're looking at Ryan Leaf, part 2.
They actually restructured his contract. He was going to get cut if he didn't agree to accept less money.
Talk about a bust.
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I thought you were saying Jay Cutler was being traded from Muscletech to Metrx!!!!!