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Title: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: alnassak on March 17, 2009, 02:58:41 AM: I really admire this guy’s physique and I wish to look just like him but in the Natural Way, Do you think that is possible to achieve in 10 years of hard training? I already look like that in a period of 3 years and something from hard training..
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 03:00:36 AM: impossible.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: musclehedz on March 17, 2009, 03:23:07 AM: No
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 03:24:06 AM: And to end all debates, and also not in 20 or 30 years.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: LatsMcGee on March 17, 2009, 03:24:46 AM: Dubai India.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Method101 on March 17, 2009, 03:29:12 AM: Sorry to say alnassak but 2 more years of bulking maybe an extra 10-15lbs of muscle and you will be at your limit. And it's only downhill from there.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: LatsMcGee on March 17, 2009, 03:33:01 AM: I think it's time you tried creatine.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: marcus on March 17, 2009, 03:33:05 AM: Quote from: LatsMcGee on March 17, 2009, 03:24:46 AM
Dubai India.
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/mybeast.jpg)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: jon cole on March 17, 2009, 03:34:52 AM: Quote from: Method101 on March 17, 2009, 03:29:12 AM
Sorry to say alnassak but 2 more years of bulking maybe an extra 10-15lbs of muscle and you will be at your limit. And it's only downhill from there.

amen.
it's same thing for strength.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on March 17, 2009, 03:55:00 AM: After 3 years of natural training i stopped going anywhere. From the 2.5 to 3 year mark it slowed a lot but i still gained some strength and size. 4th year natural i couldn't improve.

I sometimes regret juicing but i would never have added the extra size i wanted without it.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 04:06:45 AM: Steroids or not, dude looks pretty good.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: gymguy on March 17, 2009, 04:27:35 AM: Yes! Everyone is quick to credit steroids for his physique. I've been a trainer and gym owner for 8 years and can say that his condition is possible with the right genes, diet, training and supplements (not roids).
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 04:28:54 AM: Quote from: gymguy on March 17, 2009, 04:27:35 AM
Yes! Everyone is quick to credit steroids for his physique. I've been a trainer and gym owner for 8 years and can say that his condition is possible with the right genes, diet, training and supplements (not roids).

LMAO!!

His condition, well, but with much less muscle mass on his frame. Don't try to bullshit anyone here.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Sam on March 17, 2009, 04:33:48 AM: Quote from: gymguy on March 17, 2009, 04:27:35 AM
Yes! Everyone is quick to credit steroids for his physique. I've been a trainer and gym owner for 8 years and can say that his condition is possible with the right genes, diet, training and supplements (not roids).

Hate to piss on your parade bud but that condition and Size is impossible without muscle sweets. I have been a natural trainer for 20yrs and have seen all genetic shapes come and go.

I would be happy to be in the wrong on this, but unfortunatly I aint! :(
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: calfzilla on March 17, 2009, 04:39:09 AM: No. Impossible. Allanutsack if you want to be big and look good why don't you just do a cycle?
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 04:46:54 AM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 04:28:54 AM
LMAO!!

His condition, well, but with much less muscle mass on his frame. Don't try to bullshit anyone here.

His V-taper is all genetics...
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: alnassak on March 17, 2009, 05:04:40 AM: Thanks guys for all of your comments. Just to clarify on issue here which is I will never take steroids, and when I say never it means never. I am happy about what I have right now and I am doing my best to improve year after year NATURALLY. Moreover, I am definite sure that there is no limitation for Natural Muscles Gain since you are Training Hard, Taking care of your diet & Taking Enough Rest. Also, my trainer is actually my cousin who has been training for 8 years continually and this is what he has got so far.. :)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 05:14:04 AM: Quote from: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 04:46:54 AM
His V-taper is all genetics...

LOL, yeah sure! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 05:15:25 AM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 05:14:04 AM
LOL, yeah sure! ::) ::)

Steroids have nothing to do with the muscle bellies and bone structure. He has a narrow waist and broad shoulders; that is genetics.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: calfzilla on March 17, 2009, 05:17:08 AM: Why would you never do steroids? Are you afraid they are gonna kill you ::). I would assume they are even legal in the country you live in. And no offense because you both look good, but neither you nor your cousin are in the same galaxy as the guy you posted the video of. Your belief that there is no natural limitation is faulty. I wish you were right but you're not. Steroids get a bad rap but they work great and for some it's the only way to get their physique to the next level. But if you want to stay natural for some reason then more power to you, you look like you are doing good so far but don't fool yourself into thinking that you will look like someone who juices.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 05:19:07 AM: Quote from: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 05:15:25 AM
Steroids have nothing to do with the muscle bellies and bone structure. He has a narrow waist and broad shoulders; that is genetics.

Yes, but developing wide flaring lats with roids is no problem, who gives a fuck about the shape? Genetics are important for a natural, or maybe for a professional BB, but for the average gym rat taking steroids makes you giva a shit about your genetics, and THAT's the point of taking them.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 05:39:01 AM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 05:19:07 AM
Yes, but developing wide flaring lats with roids is no problem, who gives a fuck about the shape? Genetics are important for a natural, or maybe for a professional BB, but for the average gym rat taking steroids makes you giva a shit about your genetics, and THAT's the point of taking them.

Du misst dem Einfluss vom Stoff zuviel Bedeutung bei, wie schon einige hier erwaehnt haben. Ich kannte Stoffer, die beschissen aussahen, was den Schluss zulaesst, dass Stoff kein Wundermittel ist.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: #1 Klaus fan on March 17, 2009, 05:41:28 AM: I just heard CellTech isn't classified as drug.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kMs_q1g_CmQ/SHVRUpZmhhI/AAAAAAAAB-g/zmKqdgXgrFo/s400/Mr%2BBurns%2BEvil%2BLaugh.png)

With that everything is possible.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 05:43:50 AM: Quote from: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 05:39:01 AM
Du misst dem Einfluss vom Stoff zuviel Bedeutung bei, wie schon einige hier erwaehnt haben. Ich kannte Stoffer, die beschissen aussahen, was den Schluss zulaesst, dass Stoff kein Wundermittel ist.

::) ::) ::)

Oh Mann....
Die meisten Spinner haben halt 1. keine Ahnung von Ernährung und 2. irgendson UG-Scheiss.

Du willst mir doch nicht erzählen, dass es mit roids nicht viel leichter ist, Muskel aufzubauen? Ansonsten, warum machst du nicht mal eine Kur oder zwei?
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: _bruce_ on March 17, 2009, 05:44:05 AM: Try it, but you'll never be as ripped and full.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Petrucci on March 17, 2009, 05:47:18 AM: man, if you train seriously for at least 2 or maybe 3 years, you KNOW that this kind of size, shape and condition its impossible, even in 50 years
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 05:54:30 AM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 05:43:50 AM
::) ::) ::)

Oh Mann....
Die meisten Spinner haben halt 1. keine Ahnung von Ernährung und 2. irgendson UG-Scheiss.

Du willst mir doch nicht erzählen, dass es mit roids nicht viel leichter ist, Muskel aufzubauen? Ansonsten, warum machst du nicht mal eine Kur oder zwei?

Ich hasse Nadeln... ;D
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 05:57:39 AM: Quote from: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 05:54:30 AM
Ich hasse Nadeln... ;D

Dann nimm Epistane, das gibts sogar problemlos in den UK...

http://www.gigasnutrition.com/product_info.php/products_id/525/cPath/28/extreme-muscle-builder/epistane.html
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 06:03:04 AM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 05:57:39 AM
Dann nimm Epistane, das gibts sogar problemlos in den UK...

http://www.gigasnutrition.com/product_info.php/products_id/525/cPath/28/extreme-muscle-builder/epistane.html

No thank you, wenn schon, dann nur richtig...aber doch nicht in absehbarer Zeit....
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 06:04:09 AM: Quote from: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 06:03:04 AM
No thank you, wenn schon, dann nur richtig...aber doch nicht in absehbarer Zeit....

Ist doch "richtig". Ein orales Roid, nur noch legal.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 06:07:05 AM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 06:04:09 AM
Ist doch "richtig". Ein orales Roid, nur noch legal.

Ich hab keinen Bock auf Leberschaden.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 06:09:32 AM: Quote from: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 06:07:05 AM
Ich hab keinen Bock auf Leberschaden.

pulse cycling. 2on, 2 off.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 06:12:45 AM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 06:09:32 AM
pulse cycling. 2on, 2 off.

Willst doch, dass ich Stoff nehme, oder? ;D
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: burn2live on March 17, 2009, 06:17:31 AM: Quote from: alnassak on March 17, 2009, 05:04:40 AM
Thanks guys for all of your comments. Just to clarify on issue here which is I will never take steroids, and when I say never it means never. I am happy about what I have right now and I am doing my best to improve year after year NATURALLY. Moreover, I am definite sure that there is no limitation for Natural Muscles Gain since you are Training Hard, Taking care of your diet & Taking Enough Rest. Also, my trainer is actually my cousin who has been training for 8 years continually and this is what he has got so far.. :)

:-\ I'm sorry, but that's just wrong
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 06:17:47 AM: Quote from: Deicide on March 17, 2009, 06:12:45 AM
Willst doch, dass ich Stoff nehme, oder? ;D

Ja klar.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Monster_Everything on March 17, 2009, 06:19:06 AM: Great Natural Physique on that athlete.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: adrain on March 17, 2009, 09:24:39 AM: Quote from: alnassak on March 17, 2009, 05:04:40 AM
Thanks guys for all of your comments. Just to clarify on issue here which is I will never take steroids, and when I say never it means never. I am happy about what I have right now and I am doing my best to improve year after year NATURALLY. Moreover, I am definite sure that there is no limitation for Natural Muscles Gain since you are Training Hard, Taking care of your diet & Taking Enough Rest. Also, my trainer is actually my cousin who has been training for 8 years continually and this is what he has got so far.. :)
I believe it can be done! Just stick with your training and keep improving, you can reach your goals! Just because other cant reach something doesn't mean you cant. It wont happen over night, but you can make it happen. Alnassak stay strong! Stay natural
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: burn2live on March 17, 2009, 09:28:38 AM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
I believe it can be done! Just stick with your training and keep improving, you can reach your goals! Just because other cant reach something doesn't mean you cant. It wont happen over night, but you can make it happen. Alnassak stay strong! Stay natural

So there is no limit to natural muscle gain? ::)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: jon cole on March 17, 2009, 09:46:13 AM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 09:24:39 AM
I believe it can be done! Just stick with your training and keep improving, you can reach your goals! Just because other cant reach something doesn't mean you cant. It wont happen over night, but you can make it happen. Alnassak stay strong! Stay natural

wow is it joe weider speaking ???
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 17, 2009, 09:54:07 AM: Quote from: gymguy on March 17, 2009, 04:27:35 AM
Yes! Everyone is quick to credit steroids for his physique. I've been a trainer and gym owner for 8 years and can say that his condition is possible with the right genes, diet, training and supplements (not roids).
::)

moron
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: local hero on March 17, 2009, 10:01:43 AM: you can only smile back to the times when we all thought the same.,,, fast forward 15 yrs and he'll be singing a different tune
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: kyomu on March 17, 2009, 10:04:50 AM: Size surely yes.
But quality....? Never say never..
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: adrain on March 17, 2009, 12:59:57 PM: Quote from: burn2live on March 17, 2009, 09:28:38 AM
So there is no limit to natural muscle gain? ::)
there is a limit to any muscle gain! people who use have a limit as well! Ive put on a few pounds a year I keep gaining! In two more years I should be 10lbs heavier! You telling me that I cant naturally put on 5 lbs a year?
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 01:06:26 PM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 12:59:57 PM
there is a limit to any muscle gain! people who use have a limit as well! Ive put on a few pounds a year I keep gaining! In two more years I should be 10lbs heavier! You telling me that I cant naturally put on 5 lbs a year?

Does "naturally" include M1T and other designer steroids?
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 17, 2009, 01:22:36 PM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 12:59:57 PM
there is a limit to any muscle gain! people who use have a limit as well! Ive put on a few pounds a year I keep gaining! In two more years I should be 10lbs heavier! You telling me that I cant naturally put on 5 lbs a year?
::)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: adrain on March 17, 2009, 01:32:44 PM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 01:06:26 PM
Does "naturally" include M1T and other designer steroids?

lol, I never taken any thing that was banned by the natural organizations, at the time I competed in their show! So by there rule book and mine I'm natural. Wow you guys just don't even believe how far you can go, why are you scared to try? Don't tell this guy he will stop progressing after two more years! How do you know? No one is the same!
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 01:34:52 PM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 01:32:44 PM
lol, I never taken any thing that was banned by the natural organizations, at the time I competed in their show! So by there rule book and mine I'm natural. Wow you guys just don't even believe how far you can go, why are you scared to try? Don't tell this guy he will stop progressing after two more years! How do you know? No one is the same!

Fuck off.

"i never take anything banned by the organizations, so i am natural".

That's fucking pathetic. At least admit you're a juicer.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: adrain on March 17, 2009, 01:44:42 PM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 01:34:52 PM
Fuck off.

"i never take anything banned by the organizations, so i am natural".

That's fucking pathetic. At least admit you're a juicer.
wow! Go let out you aggressions at the gym donkey, maybe you'll gain a pound or two!
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 17, 2009, 02:01:14 PM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 01:44:42 PM
wow! Go let out you aggressions at the gym donkey, maybe you'll gain a pound or two!
you are full of shit brother ...stop the lies about being nattie
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 02:10:46 PM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 01:44:42 PM
wow! Go let out you aggressions at the gym donkey, maybe you'll gain a pound or two!

Yes, i could also take some steroids that aren't banned yet so i will still be natural. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: BB on March 17, 2009, 02:20:51 PM: The quickest way to figure out what is achievable naturally is to go to www.musclememory.com and look at the pre- WWII physiques. With good genetics, you might be able to get close to those guys.

A good natural of average height is good to about 180-200 at 7-8 percent bodyfat. You won't get much bigger than that, the dieting kills any chance of that.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: calfzilla on March 17, 2009, 02:24:37 PM: What's up with the nudes? :-X
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: BB on March 17, 2009, 02:29:57 PM: Just proof ~~Schmoeing~~ artistic nude male photography is as old as bodybuilding itself.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: gymrat01 on March 17, 2009, 02:30:44 PM: there is no way to do that naturally in 10 years unless you are a genetic freak of fucking nature
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 02:32:19 PM: Quote from: gymrat01 on March 17, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
there is no way to do that naturally in 10 years ~~unless you are a genetic freak of fucking nature~~

fixed.

It's impossible naturally. It is possible naturally though if your definition of natural is "things that aren't banned are ok", then fly to Thailand or Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on March 17, 2009, 02:33:29 PM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
fixed.

It's impossible naturally. It is possible naturally though if your definition of natural is "things that aren't banned are ok", then fly to Thailand or Saudi Arabia.

Michael Lockett did it.

Don't hate.

GetitoninNY had dinner with him and swears he's clean.

So don't hate.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: DK II on March 17, 2009, 02:34:24 PM: Quote from: just_a_pilgrim on March 17, 2009, 02:33:29 PM
Michael Lockett did it.

Don't hate.

GetitoninNY had dinner with him and swears he's clean.

So don't hate.

ok, if he had dinner with him, it's believable. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: adrain on March 17, 2009, 02:44:57 PM: Quote from: DonkeyKong on March 17, 2009, 02:34:24 PM
ok, if he had dinner with him, it's believable. ::) ::)
there are people out there that can run a 4.2 forthy! People that can dunk a basketball at 5'4. there are people out there that can do alot of things you or I cant do? Do they all take something you don't? Just cause you cant do somethings doesn't mean no one in this world cant! DEAL WITH IT!
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Fatpanda on March 17, 2009, 02:49:05 PM: As a natural you could get that size, or that condition, but not both.

you could maybe get somewhere in the middle with perfect diet, workouts, and pre/post workout nutrition.

good luck.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: BB on March 17, 2009, 02:50:46 PM: There were freaks in bodybuilding for many years- not one of them was achieving the bf% and size these supposed naturals are, before steroids.

These results are all drugs.
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Bobby on March 17, 2009, 03:17:47 PM: you can maybe get the size if you're lucky but you will be over 10% bf

best case scenario
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: alnassak on March 17, 2009, 10:24:42 PM: Quote from: adrain on March 17, 2009, 02:44:57 PM
there are people out there that can run a 4.2 forthy! People that can dunk a basketball at 5'4. there are people out there that can do alot of things you or I cant do? Do they all take something you don't? Just cause you cant do somethings doesn't mean no one in this world cant! DEAL WITH IT!

Dear adrain, :)

I really do agree with all of your posts since they are making sense, but don’t expect that all people to like or believe in what you are saying because most people who disagree with you they have been training naturally for probably more than 2 years with 0 gain!! And when they start to juice up they start to gain something !! So, They totally believe that you cannot gain any muscles without juicing. I really feel sorry for this type of bodybuilders :'(

but what can we do ?? GOD Creates us differently ;)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: Method101 on March 17, 2009, 11:49:01 PM: Quote from: BB on March 17, 2009, 02:20:51 PM
The quickest way to figure out what is achievable naturally is to go to www.musclememory.com and look at the pre- WWII physiques. With good genetics, you might be able to get close to those guys.
I would prefer to look like this than to ronnie coleman

(http://www.musclememory.com/images/physique/KoenigSeymour-BruceLA.jpg)(http://www.musclememory.com/images/physique/HamillJohn_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Can Natural Bodybuilders reach that kind of physique in 10 years of training?
Post by: calfzilla on March 17, 2009, 11:50:06 PM: Brutal self owning.