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I've been waiting to put this one up.
Assuming that both make it to the Olympia stage, Kai Green will place higher than Phil Heath...(There, I said it).
Neither will be Mr. O this year...Both are KEY players in the O this year.
I can put up many reason's why Kai is better than Phil and I can also put up just as many why Phil is better than Kai, but it comes down to it. I think Kai will be better than Phil.
I ask that you keep all talk about grapefruit out of this thread...Thanks
Someone else start and I'll rebut...Go.
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You are so wrong, Wiggs...Heath's genetics are superior to Kai's!
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You are so wrong, Wiggs...Heath's genetics are superior to Kai's!
Victor's genetics are superior to both and look what happened. You can say Vic was off but then you can say Kai was off also.
Phil will not be able to match Kai's conditioning. He will bring the size of this years Arnold and condition of 08's New York Pro...Game over.
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Kai has never beat Heath!
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Kai has never beat Heath!
Heath has never beat Vic.
Kai beat Vic.
So does Kai beat Heath?
In addition, that was a different Kai. We can all agree he's made dramatic improvements.
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Kai beat an 85% Victor
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Neither have great Arab genetics ;)
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Neither have great Arab genetics ;)
Fuck off mother f u c k er...don't be a bitch. >:(
Talk about Kai, Vic, Phil and the O. That's it.
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The only thing Kai will improve upon is his Gyno is going to get bigger ;)
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Kai beat an 85% Victor
Bullshit...Vic was 86.2347342894% ;D
Come one Vic was barely off. Kai's condition just made him look that bad.
Vic was about 95% Like I told people before, He can't hold his conditioning.
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Wiggs....you a re good guy but you like these underdogs.
What ever happenned to loyalty?
Im a big Phil fan!
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The only thing Kai will improve upon is his Gyno is going to get bigger ;)
I saw no gyno. IMO Kai should get no bigger. He should just improve his conditioning and he's money.
He's bigger than Phil, better condition, better poser. Phil has better structure....that's it.
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Vic only beat Phil when it was Phil rookie year at the Arnold. Phil's conditioning is far superior to Vics. Vic is maxed out, Phil keeps on improving muscularly. Vic doesn't stand a chance against Phil Heath anymore. JMO, please no need for childish name calling. Some say Vics got a better back and chest, but Phil is still in his 20's and is still improving on those so called "weak points" of his(they really weren't). This is Phils 3rd year as a pro, far from maxed out and placing 3rd at his 1st Olympia.
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Wiggs....you a re good guy but you like these underdogs.
What ever happenned to loyalty?
Im a big Phil fan!
I'm a fan of Phil I just like Kai better.
Phil reminds me of a guy that's had everything given to him and was annointed the next Mr. Olympia and that shit before he ever stepped on a pro stage. Magazine coverage out the ass etc...
(I'm sure he's had to work hard)
Kai has had a tough life, worked his ass off to live his dream and has finally made as one of the best. It will be Rags vs. Riches and Rags will win. Kai is willing to go to crazy lengths to win. I admire that. At the end of the day barring injury or health to either bodybuilder. Kai will stand with a Sandow before Heath.
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Wiggs, you gotta be kidding me!
His gyno is getting progressively worse!
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Phil is relatively new, with a way shorter competition history, so it's a bit harder to get a read on him. Things staying the same, Kai's conditioning should give him the nod.
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Vic only beat Phil when it was Phil rookie year at the Arnold. Phil's conditioning is far superior to Vics. Vic is maxed out, Phil keeps on improving muscularly. Vic doesn't stand a chance against Phil Heath anymore. JMO, please no need for childish name calling. Some say Vics got a better back and chest, but Phil is still in his 20's and is still improving on those so called "weak points" of his(they really weren't). This is Phils 3rd year as a pro, far from maxed out and placing 3rd at his 1st Olympia.
I think Vic vs. Phil is a good match up now that Phil has made those gains. BTW Vic beat Phil in his 1st and 2nd year in the Arnold. 07 and 08 ;)
Vic does have a better chest, width and back but Phil has better conditioning.
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WOLF 8)
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WOLF 8)
Hey fucker...KAI or PHIL...Wolf isn't in the arguement. He had his chance last year and failed. He needs to start from the bottom again.
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Wiggs, you gotta be kidding me!
His gyno is getting progressively worse!
Please show me the gyno in this pic and other pics ONSTAGE.
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Kai is hungrier than Phil
Btw Wiggs, Vic wasn't in the 08 Arnold
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I'm a fan of Phil I just like Kai better.
Phil reminds me of a guy that's had everything given to him and was annointed the next Mr. Olympia and that shit before he ever stepped on a pro stage. Magazine coverage out the ass etc...
(I'm sure he's had to work hard)
Kai has had a tough life, worked his ass off to live his dream and has finally made as one of the best. It will be Rags vs. Riches and Rags will win. Kai is willing to go to crazy lengths to win. I admire that. At the end of the day barring injury or health to either bodybuilder. Kai will stand with a Sandow before Heath.
I think Phil is very humble. I agree with you on the Kai thing, it was really cool seeing him with the Arnold. I wasn't too much of a fan before of Kai's, but I am now. Everyone is pretty hard on Kai because of his past, but everyone does things they regret. It's not like he was selling drugs or killing people he hustled to get cash the legal way. Kai keeps on improving as well, I think a 100% Kai vs. 100% Phil would be a tough call, this years O is going to be the best in some time if Jay comes in shape for once.
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Kai is hungrier than Phil
Btw Wiggs, Vic wasn't in the 08 Arnold
Oops you're right. 06 and 07 ;)
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Hey fucker...KAI or PHIL...Wolf isn't in the arguement. He had his chance last year and failed. He needs to start from the bottom again.
scared much? :D
TEAM my muscle hero looks better than yours :-X
;D
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scared much? :D
TEAM my muscle hero looks better than yours :-X
;D
Hell no, Wolf looked great in 07 but outside that he is all hype.
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scared much? :D
TEAM my muscle hero looks better than yours :-X
;D
Height and width!
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Height and width!
Yeah, look at Tony Freeman...That worked out well didn't it?
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i think phil heaths triceps may have partly been due to a decade and a half of dribbling a basketball for hours a day at times. dribbling is like all triceps. expecially if your playing against someone who is pretty good and fast, then you could be dribbling pretty hard too.
all those years of super high repeptition dribbling may have somehow "primed" his triceps in a way (so to speak), so that they respond much better than they woudl have,
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i think phil heaths triceps may have partly been due to a decade and a half of dribbling a basketball for hours a day at times. dribbling is like all triceps. expecially if your playing against someone who is pretty good and fast, then you could be dribbling pretty hard too.
all those years of super high repeptition dribbling may have somehow "primed" his triceps in a way (so to speak), so that they respond much better than they woudl have,
Good theory. What are your thoughts on Kai vs. Phil?
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Toney's arms are half the size of Dennis'.
I believe that it really is between Kai, Dex and Phil.
Vic and Jay will look soft next to these three.
Although, the Olympia doesn't always award conditioning (See Melvin placing above silvio)
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Hell no, Wolf looked great in 07 but outside that he is all hype.
08 was a 'bad showing' and he still got 4th in this year he will be like 07 but better :o 8)
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Good theory. What are your thoughts on Kai vs. Phil?
thnaks. i was dribbling today when i wasplaying "skateboard horse".
it think the phil we saw at the mr. 08 would get beat by the kai we saw at the 2009 arnold. back thickness and legs on kai makes the difference.
but i dont think phil is going to look the same as last year. so we will see.
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thnaks. i was dribbling today when i wasplaying "skateboard horse".
it think the phil we saw at the mr. 08 would get beat by the kai we saw at the 2009 arnold. back thickness and legs on kai makes the difference.
but i dont think phil is going to look the same as last year. so we will see.
Correct, I KNOW Phil won't look the same. It will be interesting.
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Fuck off mother f u c k er...don't be a bitch. >:(
Talk about Kai, Vic, Phil and the O. That's it.
He can't, as he only gets his knicks off with nasser.
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i can see 3rd going to kai,kai has better legs,wider back than phil health
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Kai's back and conditioning will probably hold him over
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i think phil heaths triceps may have partly been due to a decade and a half of dribbling a basketball for hours a day at times. dribbling is like all triceps. expecially if your playing against someone who is pretty good and fast, then you could be dribbling pretty hard too.
all those years of super high repeptition dribbling may have somehow "primed" his triceps in a way (so to speak), so that they respond much better than they woudl have,
Most good ball handlers have great tris, take a look at the NCAA's. I guy in college told me that.
i can see 3rd going to kai,kai has better legs,wider back than phil health
Phil had more detail in the Back Doulbe Bi than Kai does...
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Hell no, Wolf looked great in 07 but outside that he is all hype.
Wolf is White, and therefore superior. ;D
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Wolf is White, and therefore superior. ;D
How predictable ::)
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How predictable ::)
It's predictable to you blacks, because you are always obsessing over the "white man", and how "the rich white folks" = "keeping you down".
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It's predictable to you blacks, because you are always obsessing over the "white man", and how "the rich white folks" = "keeping you down".
No it's predictable because you whites need to constantly try and convince yourselves that no darky is better than you physically or mentally...the old days are over and soon you will be the hunted.
Now f uck off wonderbread.
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Game over
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I HAIT WHAIT FAAOOOKS. DEY BEEN KEEPIN DE BLACK MAN DOWN FAAO TOO LONG
Stop whining about "de whait faaoks" and start doing something with your life you big Tarzan.
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heath and wolf both look way better than kai
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Stop whining about "de whait faaoks" and start doing something with your life you big Tarzan.
When have I said anything about white folks unprovoked? Shut up and go back to the junkyard hillbilly. ::)
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Game over
Nice try but no....
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Game over
All Disneyland lighting.
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Fucking whitey. I need my daily dose of CRACK. I need to rob a few crackers.
:o
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Nice try but no....
If this beats phil, then I'll kill myself.
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If this beats phil, then I'll kill myself.
phil's structure kills kai's
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phil's structure kills kai's
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Durka Durka in the house.
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I really think Dex will beat both these guys
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If this beats phil, then I'll kill myself.
Yes, I can go out and find the worst pic of Phil and do the same thing. Be real. ::)
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Yes, I can go out and find the worst pic of Phil and do the same thing. Be real. ::)
What = wrong Niggs? Your normal good mood seems to be missing today.
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Durka Durka in the house.
wtf you talkin about you scandinavian piece of shit
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My Vater recruited me to the German Islamist movement last year. I am now preparing to blow myself up in the name of Allah.
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wtf you talkin about you scandinavian piece of shit
Just ignore him or report him.
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Yes, I can go out and find the worst pic of Phil and do the same thing. Be real. ::)
That's a mandatory from this years arnold. Find a contest pic that bad of phil... Impossible
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v353/dekethecreep/2009-arnold-classic103.jpg)
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we should not forget that phil is way cooler and looks much better(facially),that plays a role at the O
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Phil might not have as good of conditioning, but structurally there is no comparison.
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Phil might not have as good of conditioning, but structurally there is no comparison.
yes,who here wants to look like kai???
i would like to look like phil
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I think Vic vs. Phil is a good match up now that Phil has made those gains. BTW Vic beat Phil in his 1st and 2nd year in the Arnold. 07 and 08 ;)
Vic does have a better chest, width and back but Phil has better conditioning.
Phil placed 5th on during his 1st Arnold and that was it, Phil took second to Dexter in 08 during the Arnold. Vic only beat Phil once and that was in 07 when he was a rookie. :)Correct me if I'm wrong. But they only competed against each other once.
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we should not forget that phil is way cooler and looks much better(facially),that plays a role at the O
In terms of marketability, it helps that phil hasn't posed nude and masturbated for old men.
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Kai is hungrier than Phil
Btw Wiggs, Vic wasn't in the 08 Arnold
That is some of the sickest conditioning ever :o
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kai is a freaky speciman of incredible hardness and seperation,legs are from other planet ,relatively speaking .but heath beats him on shape,and more balanced flow and heath is freaky in his own right.
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Phil placed 5th on during his 1st Arnold and that was it, Phil took second to Dexter in 08 during the Arnold. Vic only beat Phil once and that was in 07 when he was a rookie. :)Correct me if I'm wrong. But they only competed against each other once.
Oops you are absolutely right...major brain fart.
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Oops you are absolutely right...major brain fart.
wiggs,check the brandon curry thread my friend
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i think phil heaths triceps may have partly been due to a decade and a half of dribbling a basketball for hours a day at times. dribbling is like all triceps. expecially if your playing against someone who is pretty good and fast, then you could be dribbling pretty hard too.
all those years of super high repeptition dribbling may have somehow "primed" his triceps in a way (so to speak), so that they respond much better than they woudl have,
No. Just no. Dribbling is almost all in the wrist. If you're dribbling with your triceps you're "that guy".
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No. Just no. Dribbling is almost all in the wrist. If you're dribbling with your triceps you're "that guy".
:) Yep
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Personally, I think that WIggs has a secret love affair with Kai ;)
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Personally, I think that WIggs has a secret love affair with Kai ;)
you should have more posts to say something like that "newby"
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Personally, I think that WIggs has a secret love affair with Kai ;)
Sorry, I'm no bigbobs. I just recognized skill when it is unrecognized. In addition with Kai being such an eccentric guy how can you not like him the Army of drones in the IFBB?
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Sorry, I'm no bigbobs. I just recognized skill when it is unrecognized. In addition with Kai being such an eccentric guy how can you not like him the Army of drones in the IFBB?
have you seen his videos?? i would not want to touch his hands
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Bullshit...Vic was 86.2347342894% ;D
Come one Vic was barely off. Kai's condition just made him look that bad.
Vic was about 95% Like I told people before, He can't hold his conditioning.
victor lost to kai only because of his unbalanced quads and not for any other reason.. check the pre-judging videos to know that victor was better in everything except legs..
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i think phil heaths triceps may have partly been due to a decade and a half of dribbling a basketball for hours a day at times. dribbling is like all triceps. expecially if your playing against someone who is pretty good and fast, then you could be dribbling pretty hard too.
all those years of super high repeptition dribbling may have somehow "primed" his triceps in a way (so to speak), so that they respond much better than they woudl have,
::)
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we should not forget that phil is way cooler and looks much better(facially),that plays a role at the O
Heath and his expressions are a little goofy in relation to the NY dudes so i don't see it.
Phil might not have as good of conditioning, but structurally there is no comparison.
That's why they have to show up, structure's only part of it. Vic's structure's damn good too and he lost to Kai.
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victor lost to kai only because of his unbalanced quads and not for any other reason.. check the pre-judging videos to know that victor was better in everything except legs..
QF Bullshit. Vics legs didn't play a part in this. His conditioning did.
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I say heath. That being said... sometimes I rhyme slow...sometimes I rhyme quick...
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Well, I am a big fan of Phil “The Gift” heath since he first turned Pro, He reminds me a lot of the greatest “Kevin Levrone”. Moreover, in my eyes I see the 2008 Mr. O version of Phil heath beats all of the current bodybuilders by country miles!! He has freaky most complete body parts Plus Great condition with stations everywhere & very symmetrical, pretty and aesthetic physique, what else needed to be the best..?
On Kai Greene side, he was not one of the bodybuilders that steal my attention. However, after the 2009 Arnold classic he begun to steal my attention and I start believe in him that he could be a serious threat to Phil.
I think Phil & Kai Deserve more respect than Dexter & Jay. To be honest with you I see Kai beat both of Jay & Dexter (already beat 90% Victor) but I don’t see him beating Phil heath even on his 08 Version!!
Let us assume that Kai Greene was at the O last year with his new look and victor was there too with his 90% look, if it was judged rightly it will as follows:
1- Phil heath
2- Kai Greene
3- Dexter Jackson
4- Victor Martinez
5- Dennis Wolf
6- Jay cutler
However, you know what politics were able to do !!?
The 2009 Mr. Olympia will be the greatest Mr. O ever & the 98 Mr. O will be second to it.
Eventually, I would like to say the 2009 Mr. Olympia title will be for…..
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Kai has more glutes stragnagtions.
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Wolf is Aryan and has a pretty awesome haircut.....
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Kai might beat Vic again, but i don't think he'll beat heath
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1- Phil heath 8)
2- Kai Greene 8)
3- Dexter Jackson ???
4- Victor Martinez ???
5- Dennis Wolf 8)
6- Jay cutler ::)
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1- Phil heath 8)
2- Kai Greene 8)
3- Dexter Jackson ???
4- Victor Martinez ???
5- Dennis Wolf 8)
6- Jay cutler ::)
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Won't be anything like that.....
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Victor's genetics are superior to both and look what happened. You can say Vic was off but then you can say Kai was off also.
Phil will not be able to match Kai's conditioning. He will bring the size of this years Arnold and condition of 08's New York Pro...Game over.
QFT
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PHIL HEATH = LOOKIN GREAT
KAI GREENE = UNREAL
UNREAL>LOOKIN GREAT
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Dexter will win it(Muscletech athlete)
But back to Kai and Phil,I sure hope one of them wins it,I reckon Kai will finish higher than Phil but Phil will be an Olympia winner some day for sure,Wolf is great,but he's behind Kai,Phil,Dexter,and Toney when he's on
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phil...
easily...
no comparision
kai looks like a mess ... he has no flow..
i like him he seems like a sincere inelligent guy.. but phil owwwwwwwns him badly
oh and also brandon curry...
will be mr o one day... his shape is superior to both
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Phil should of won last years Mr. O ...he is the best on the planet.
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Kai's legs, Phil's Arms, JOJ chest, Ronnie's back, and Brian Buchanan waist, Andreas Munzer conditioning, would make the freakest bber of ALL TIME!!!
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Kai's legs, Phil's Arms, JOJ chest, Ronnie's back, and Brian Buchanan waist, Andreas Munzer conditioning, would make the freakest bber of ALL TIME!!!
ROFLMFAO !!! This is a pretty unbeatable combination !!
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Kai is hungrier than Phil
FOR SOME GRAPEFRUIT
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mom let me introduce you to kai my bodybuilding idol
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WHY do Blacks have super fat faces and lean bodies???
http://a326.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/48/l_cb04681d05b489ef6d8f435230869a4d.jpg
Kai
Malcolm
etc.,...
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http://www.bryanandersonmusic.com/images/bryanandmalcomjamalwarner.jpg
http://api.ning.com/files/ZzkvcZYtaLsNau-rD32yThFzEHDCeC-UNyAhU0cHoc7PMe8lNM5gDoR8rAl0QlmipkEgEvET6VDjCbEBmWuD8yOEezlZuXe*/web185B.jpg
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anybody have similar shots of kai or phil to compare with this ?
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/1998_olympia_review_d.jpg)
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Kai's legs, Phil's Arms, JOJ chest, Ronnie's back, and Brian Buchanan waist, Andreas Munzer conditioning, would make the freakest bber of ALL TIME!!!
;D definitly
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Kai is mighty impressive, but bodybuilding is more than sheer mass and cuts. Shape is a part of it too. That's why Phil should end up above Kai. If it were all only about mass and conditioning then Palumbo would be a 5x Mr. O by now.
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Phil has better limbs.
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This thread is pointless but I'll add to the fun just for the heck of it.
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More...
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Some more...
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and more...
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Last ones
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Last 2. ;)
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Kai is better in the front lat spread imo.
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Kai really reminds me of Aaron Baker
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heath only seems to beat him in the side tri and the front double, other than that Kai is giving it to him like a grapefruit!
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Different lighting.
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You are so wrong, Wiggs...Heath's genetics are superior to Kai's!
isnt that flex not kai
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Phil is one arrogant dude, he calls himself "The Gift" for christs sake.