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Title: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 02:38:10 AM
I swear sometimes I go for days on 1200 calories a day and nothing happens...I realise after a while your metabolism acclimates but seriously...not that fast? ??? Any ideas?
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: webcake on March 23, 2009, 02:45:50 AM
If you eat 1200cals a day and did cardio, you would have to lose weight (be it muscle/fat/water, whatever)

Are you an endomorph? Obviously you are sensitive to cals/carbs.....but you shouldn't be that sensitive.

1200 is too low anyway, keep them low, cardio (HIIT), train and low carbs for a few weeks and you will have to see results.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: WillGrant on March 23, 2009, 02:47:37 AM
I swear sometimes I go for days on 1200 calories a day and nothing happens...I realise after a while your metabolism acclimates but seriously...not that fast? ??? Any ideas?
Thats low in the calorie department , Have you tryed cycling your calories? a simple blood test to check thyroid should be able to releive your concerns.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Rami on March 23, 2009, 02:49:25 AM
I swear sometimes I go for days on 1200 calories a day and nothing happens...I realise after a while your metabolism acclimates but seriously...not that fast? ??? Any ideas?

Are you doing long cardio? it could lower your metabolism.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 02:53:28 AM
Are you doing long cardio? it could lower your metabolism.

Actually I haven't done any cardio. I have been trying the wavelength/adonis thing with just watching calories. I guess it only sort of works. Mayeb you do need cardio to just start the body/metabolism into getting rid of the fat? ???
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: WillGrant on March 23, 2009, 02:55:45 AM
Actually I haven't done any cardio. I have been trying the wavelength/adonis thing with just watching calories. I guess it only sort of works. Mayeb you do need cardio to just start the body/metabolism into getting rid of the fat? ???
I think you are not eating enough , 1200 calories is pretty low mate , your body will start to store or preserve fat as it thinks there is a famine comming , it goes back to when we were cavemen , you will be using muscle as a primary energy source if you drop calories to low and will gain fat
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: webcake on March 23, 2009, 02:57:08 AM
Actually I haven't done any cardio. I have been trying the wavelength/adonis thing with just watching calories. I guess it only sort of works. Mayeb you do need cardio to just start the body/metabolism into getting rid of the fat? ???

Well how about this then........instead of trying some approach most don't do, use the tried and trusted method.  ::)

Lower your cals, low carb, resistance training 3-4 x week and cardio most days (morning, PWO, HIIT, low intensity.......whatever)

Why do you constantly over complicate/over analyse everything? Man up and just do it.....stop looking for excuses.

Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: WillGrant on March 23, 2009, 02:58:26 AM
Well how about this then........instead of trying some approach most don't do, use the tried and trusted method.  ::)

Lower your cals, low carb, resistance training 3-4 x week and cardio most days (morning, PWO, HIIT, low intensity.......whatever)

Why do you constantly over complicate/over analyse everything? Man up and just do it.....stop looking for excuses.


Dont lower your cals any lower lol
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: webcake on March 23, 2009, 02:59:27 AM
Dont lower your cals any lower lol

lol, no man should eat 1200.

I was just stating the fundamental basics of dieting....
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 03:01:04 AM
Well how about this then........instead of trying some approach most don't do, use the tried and trusted method.  ::)

Lower your cals, low carb, resistance training 3-4 x week and cardio most days (morning, PWO, HIIT, low intensity.......whatever)

Why do you constantly over complicate/over analyse everything? Man up and just do it.....stop looking for excuses.



Tried and true, I hear you son, will do. The best results I ever got were back in the day by doing tons of high intensity cardio...shit, time to just kick it...
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: WillGrant on March 23, 2009, 03:01:25 AM
lol, no man should eat 1200.

What i meant was maybe go from 2000 and gradually lower to 1800 or whatever.
Yes agree , bump those cals back up and then cycle them and use cardio also.

Its amazing he has the energy to even train on that amount of calories.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: webcake on March 23, 2009, 03:03:19 AM
Tried and true, I hear you son, will do. The best results I ever got were back in the day by doing tons of high intensity cardio...shit, time to just kick it...

I lost 43lbs and it was easy. I did the above and bang, the weight falls off. The hardest thing is just putting that into practice.....
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: johnnynoname on March 23, 2009, 03:04:43 AM
i'm gonna take some pix of people at walmart (next time i go) of people with "metabolic dysfunction"

I swear these people are built like something that should be in a harness in the movie "300"
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 03:08:27 AM
i'm gonna take some pix of people at walmart (next time i go) of people with "metabolic dysfunction"

I swear these people are built like something that should be in a harness in the movie "300"

300...all drugs... ;D
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 03:11:19 AM
I lost 43lbs and it was easy. I did the above and bang, the weight falls off. The hardest thing is just putting that into practice.....

WTF?! Pounds?! >:(

Kilos, man, kilos! You're an Aussie!
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: webcake on March 23, 2009, 03:12:28 AM
WTF?! Pounds?! >:(

Kilos, man, kilos! You're an Aussie!

Yes, but when i use kilos the yanks get confused.....

If i used centimetres they would probably die...
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 03:14:17 AM
Yes, but when i use kilos the yanks get confused.....

If i used centimetres they would probably die...

You have to be true to yourself, none of this yank bullshit... ;D
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: webcake on March 23, 2009, 03:20:43 AM
You have to be true to yourself, none of this yank bullshit... ;D

Signs you spend too much time on getbig #102 ------ You are an Aussie yet you no longer use the metric system..... :-[
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 04:23:37 AM
Signs you spend too much time on getbig #102 ------ You are an Aussie yet you no longer use the metric system..... :-[

Have to do something about that son... :-\
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: LatsMcGee on March 23, 2009, 04:28:09 AM
I think you should have sex with a prostitute and than strangle her, everything will be much clearer after you do so.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 04:28:58 AM
I think you should have sex with a prostitute and than strangle her, everything will be much clearer after you do so.

Epic Getbig adviceS! ;D
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: LatsMcGee on March 23, 2009, 04:30:15 AM
Epic Getbig adviceS! ;D

Sometimes it's the only way.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Get Rowdy on March 23, 2009, 05:35:26 AM
Your metabolism is fucked because you don't sleep properly.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 23, 2009, 05:36:56 AM
Your metabolism is fucked because you don't sleep properly.

Probably is a contributing factor...
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Tombo on March 23, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
hrmmm

a few years back i lost about 30kg to a lean (but "twinky") 160-170lbs, but i was 17 so i wasn't really worried

now i want to do it again, but im such a fucking bitch and keep putting it off god damnit!, although 30 kg isn't exactly my goal, more like 15-20.

more threads like this so my morning getbig sesh motivates me!
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: wavelength on March 25, 2009, 03:44:07 AM
Well how about this then........instead of trying some approach most don't do, use the tried and trusted method.  ::)

Lower your cals, low carb, resistance training 3-4 x week and cardio most days (morning, PWO, HIIT, low intensity.......whatever)

Why do you constantly over complicate/over analyse everything? Man up and just do it.....stop looking for excuses.

I never said cardio doesn't work. However, it doesn't work better than lowering calories for body composition. It's all a matter of convenience. The problem is that the "tried and trusted" methods are so inconvenient for some people that they set them up for failure. For others it's the other way round. I just try to separate the essential factors from convenience factors.

If Deicide already knows a method that works for him, I wouldn't change it either. I was under the impression that he was struggling with the conventional methods he already tried.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on March 25, 2009, 03:48:42 AM
Actually I haven't done any cardio. I have been trying the wavelength/adonis thing with just watching calories. I guess it only sort of works. Mayeb you do need cardio to just start the body/metabolism into getting rid of the fat? ???
:D :D :D
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: wavelength on March 25, 2009, 03:51:13 AM
actually, watching calories is not what I do, I only watch protein intake and rate of weight change
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: webcake on March 25, 2009, 03:55:05 AM
I never said cardio doesn't work. However, it doesn't work better than lowering calories for body composition. It's all a matter of convenience. The problem is that the "tried and trusted" methods are so inconvenient for some people that they set them up for failure. For others it's the other way round. I just try to separate the essential factors from convenience factors.

If Deicide already knows a method that works for him, I wouldn't change it either. I was under the impression that he was struggling with the conventional methods he already tried.

I agree to an extent with what you are saying. Dieting by the means of solely lowering your cals and that is it would obviously be easier, but imo that doesn't make it better.

I'd rather go the "tried and trusted" method simply because it is the healthier approach. Cardio is needed for optimal health. And there are more benefits to cardio than just "burning fat/cals/expending energy"

But then again, this is bb'ing, so health takes a back seat it seems.....
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: wavelength on March 25, 2009, 04:01:50 AM
I agree to an extent with what you are saying. Dieting by the means of solely lowering your cals and that is it would obviously be easier, but imo that doesn't make it better.

I'd rather go the "tried and trusted" method simply because it is the healthier approach. Cardio is needed for optimal health. And there are more benefits to cardio than just "burning fat/cals/expending energy"

But then again, this is bb'ing, so health takes a back seat it seems.....

I don't think health takes a back seat, but the goal of optimal health must be separated from the goal of optimal body composition. For the purpose of body composition, cardio is not superior to lowering calories as long as rate of weight change is the same. At least that's my experience. If cardio actually improves health if done on top of intense anaerobic training, is questionable. It has the benefit of increased aerobic fitness (depending on the type of cardio), that's for sure.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 25, 2009, 04:17:14 AM
I don't think health takes a back seat, but the goal of optimal health must be separated from the goal of optimal body composition. For the purpose of body composition, cardio is not superior to lowering calories as long as rate of weight change is the same. At least that's my experience. If cardio actually improves health if done on top of intense anaerobic training, is questionable. It has the benefit of increased aerobic fitness (depending on the type of cardio), that's for sure.

I think the argument for cardio is simple; as you continually lower your calories your metabolism slows down; cardio, indeed any exercise keeps it auf Trab so to speak, in order to der Verlangsamung entgegenwirken.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: wavelength on March 25, 2009, 04:22:32 AM
I think the argument for cardio is simple; as you continually lower your calories your metabolism slows down; cardio, indeed any exercise keeps it auf Trab so to speak, in order to der Verlangsamung entgegenwirken.

Possible but not relevant for body composition. The bottom line is that you can eat more when doing cardio and while maintaining the same rate of weight loss. Cardio would only have a real advantage if your body composition would improve while on this same rate (of weight loss), which I don't think is true. But as I said, for many people it is more convenient to eat more and do cardio. For me it is not.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 25, 2009, 04:24:10 AM
Possible but not relevant for body composition. The bottom line is that you can eat more when doing cardio and while maintaining the same rate of weight loss. Cardio would only have a real advantage if your body composition would improve while on this same rate (of weight loss), which I don't think is true. But as I said, for many people it is more convenient to eat more and do cardio. For me it is not.

One shoe doesn't fit all; I think EVEN you have to admit THAT.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: wavelength on March 25, 2009, 05:56:26 AM
One shoe doesn't fit all; I think EVEN you have to admit THAT.

As I said, if you already have a working method, why change it?
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: Deicide on March 25, 2009, 06:08:42 AM
As I said, if you already have a working method, why change it?

Ich hab bisher nicht den richtigen Weg fuer mich selbst gefunden. Ich bin immer noch am Ausprobieren. Dieses Mal mache ich einen Monat mit Ausdauer, etwas mehr Kalorien, usw.
Title: Re: How would one know if one is metabolically dysfunctional?
Post by: wavelength on March 25, 2009, 06:11:50 AM
Ich hab bisher nicht den richtigen Weg fuer mich selbst gefunden. Ich bin immer noch am Ausprobieren. Dieses Mal mache ich einen Monat mit Ausdauer, etwas mehr Kalorien, usw.

Dann viel Glück! :)