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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Ron on March 23, 2009, 11:01:53 PM
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The first NPC California show of the season, and the competitor that brought out the biggest buzz from the audience was Ron Sargeant, a massive 280 pound guy who was competing in his FIRST show. Ron won the overall novice, and when you look at the picture of the novices, he dwarfed them all, buy height and size. Ron told me that he isnt even in shape yet, that he is preparing for the NPC Orange County Muscle Classic, where he will be ready, and just wanted to get on stage here in San Diego to see what it was like. Here are some pics of Ron.
(http://www.getbig.com/headlines/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ron01.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/headlines/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ron02.jpg)
And here is Ron with the other Novice class winners....
So the question is, with Ron five weeks out from the NPC OC here in California, can he seriously
have a chance to win the entire competition if he gets some seperation in his legs, and loses a little more weight?
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Smooth as a babies bum!
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Any more pics Big RonVidan? I really wanted to make it but ended up throwing a party for a good friend of mine shipping to Iraq tomorow :(
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I put the misc links here
http://www.getbig.com/headlines/2009/03/23/2009-npc-san-diego-contest-pics-and-results/
I wound up taking about 1,300-1,400 pics, wound up putting up about 800, as a multitude of pictures are of various competitors in various poses and routines. The contest was fun, had lunch after prejudging with Luc of Gaspari, and Hany Rambod, the advisor of champions! Chinese food, of course, and I paid!
Hope to see you at the NPC Max Muscle Natural show, this Saturday.
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that guy needs to lose about another 15 lbs and he would look scary.
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Great negro genetics.
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hahhaha oh no this guy again :-\
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_66561237830770.jpg)
he has been in many threads on getbig over the years----he's shown off in such stellar loose skin condition as this before
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_66721237830772.jpg)
oww this gyno looks like it hurts :(
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hahhaha oh no this guy again :-\
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_66561237830770.jpg)
he has been in many threads on getbig over the years----he's shown off in such stellar loose skin condition as this before
hahah thats Skin man hahaha!
wheres tity boy??!
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not sure where titty boy has gone too but this dude should definitely lay off the 500lb benches ;D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_73491237830783.jpg)
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teh wind machines must have been set on high that day
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_75781237830792.jpg)
good thing his Karate skills helped to defeat this worthy foe
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_75801237830792.jpg)
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haha epic,keep them coming!
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we had a shitter on stage :o
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_78351237830804.jpg)
he eventually won the fans over with his knee tattoo though
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we had a shitter on stage :o
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_78351237830804.jpg)
he eventually won the fans over with his knee tattoo though
wait one second----do we have a match here??
this is a pic from a couple years ago-----seems like the lad has been living and breathing hte Iron, as evidenced by his hardcore tattoos he has recently acquired
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what what!!! dancing like my feet are on fire :o
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_78441237830805.jpg)
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"ohhhh what the hell does my doctor know about high blood pressure, I dont need that medicine/snake oil crap."
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_73801237830786.jpg)
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skin man approves this thread 8)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_73551237830784.jpg)
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what what!!! dancing like my feet are on fire :o
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_78441237830805.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_78431237830805.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_78451237830805.jpg)
;D ;D
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ripped to the bone!!!!
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_73531237830783.jpg)
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ripped to the bone!!!!
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_73531237830783.jpg)
Time to tell my dad the dream is over :-[
;D
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_78431237830805.jpg)
Vince!?
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Vince!?
hahaha spot on doc
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Was the coach in this contest?
"1"
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"whatcha talkin bout, Ize is strong and womanlys"
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68451237831459.jpg)
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Some were pretty solid competitors... what's with all the hate?
oh yea... right.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68071237830779.jpg)
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Some were pretty solid competitors... what's with all the hate?
oh yea... right.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68071237830779.jpg)
Teh Humor Troll frowns at your seriousness >:(
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68581237831460.jpg)
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Can anyone deny this face can be photoshopped onto any pro IFBB male and would fit right in ???
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_74091237831462.jpg)
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This guy is pretty solid. National level pretty soon if not this year...
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Come Konga..You must obey! As you can see gentlemen, I have hypnotized this primitive Zulu-beast to do my bidding. Look into my eyes Konga...
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Come Konga..You must obey! As you can see gentlemen, I have hypnotized this primitive Zulu-beast to do my bidding. Look into my eyes Konga...
ROFL @ "Konga" ;D
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Dude is like 10% bodyfat
and no way in hell he is 280lbs or the other guys in the line-up are all 250 +
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Nasser attended the show and had a great time and many friends there too. I posted several pictures of him with others at the show, starting here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=247057.msg3823102#msg3823102
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hahahah @ Nordic Beast comments.... fuggin classic shit
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Bradly "Doggcrapp approved natural" Castleberry.
How the fuck does Dante think this guy is hormone free?! ::)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_79021237830809.jpg)
you have trouble believing Bradley competes at 197 at 5'10"? Ever talk to him? I have extensively and the guy doesnt know Anacin from Anavar or a trombone from trenbolone. Has absolutely no clue at all...zip, zilch. The guy is never bloated, competes in the high 190's for the last 4-5 years, always weighs 240-247 offseason and you never see weird or rapid weight fluctuations. The whole dilemna with Bradley is he doesnt want to juice and is getting frustrated with the decision to go further in the sport personally. If he ever does juice everyone here will know it because he will be competing 20-35 pounds heavier in a very short amount of time....(like the other 5'10" guys out there that have very good genetics who are on). In fact I believe the decision has already made from what I hear.....doesnt want to juice and so he is done competing because Musclemania was getting him nowhere and he knows he cant go into the NPC and win naturally......so I hear he is trying to pursue a pro football career as a fullback instead....and actually has lined up some tryouts and connections for himself going that route.
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Bradly "Doggcrapp approved natural" Castleberry.
How the fuck does Dante think this guy is hormone free?! ::)
MSG & Plutonium are more "natural" than "bradly" at this point.
Still a better bodybuilder than you ever will :-* :-* :-*
Soon to be National level for sure.
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68581237831460.jpg)
Kevin Levrone?? :o
haha could be his brother
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(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68581237831460.jpg)
Manlier than refusing to bite down on a folded belt while getting a battle wound cauterized with a red-hot knife
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Vince!?
This needs to go into the "Bodybuilding Lookalikes" thread!
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Van Bildeass, was supposed to be the guest poser, but he was a no show.
The next time this guy gives you adice remember who is giving it top you.Nice pecs tity boy,lol
A greasy pork sandwich served in a dirty ashtray
hahah funny time for the douche who swears up and down Michael Lockett is Natural to chime in
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68581237831460.jpg)
Manlier than refusing to bite down on a folded belt while getting a battle wound cauterized with a red-hot knife
HAHahahahahahaha
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This guy looks like a brick layer that was doing some work on the building the contest was at He had a liquid lunch with his buddies, and they dared him to step on stage in his under wear.Lets hear it for the drunk beer drinking alcoholic construction worker,lol.He is about as symetrical as a brick.Its all that carb loading he did, the night before, and the day of the show.Team Budweiser
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MSG & Plutonium are more "natural" than "bradly" at this point.
Still a better bodybuilder than you ever will :-* :-* :-*
Soon to be National level for sure.
You also said he was natural pretty recently, backing Dante in a thread. When did he start juicing according to you? Last month? Dante "approved" him as a lifetime natural who had made up his mind to stop bodybuilding 2 months ago.
He's been playing with steroids for years and I think he had done the peptides as well even as far back as his last show in 2007. So we're probably not going to see an explosion in development from the guy.
He's better than you ever will be too. ;)
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hahahah @ Nordic Beast comments.... fuggin classic shit
thanks brother--- how's the training going these days?? I just started dieting myself a couple months ago.
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Nordic Beast ,dont even put and Michael Lockett in the same sentence.
I have, nor want nothing to do with the guy.I seen him pass legitimate drug tests, and he never used anything around me.
But Michael Locket and I have nothing to do with one another and we never will.I admit defending Michael Locket in the past, ( why I dont know)but I wont any longer.Bash away my friend, he is no longer my concern
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You also said he was natural pretty recently, backing Dante in a thread. When did he start juicing according to you? Last month? Dante "approved" him as a lifetime natural who had made up his mind to stop bodybuilding 2 months ago.
He's been playing with steroids for years and I think he had done the peptides as well even as far back as his last show in 2007. So we're probably not going to see an explosion in development from the guy.
He's better than you ever will be too. ;)
Dunno for how long and frankly don't give much of a fuck. He's a great kid with a good heart and he will do well. I don't quite get why you obsess with the kid, "I think he had done the peptides as well"... dunno who how you see that but however I do recall you never posted your mug which says a lot twinky...
Epic Brad-based Jealousy.
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Nordic Beast ,dont even put and Michael Lockett in the same sentence.
I have, nor want nothing to do with the guy.I seen him pass legitimate drug tests, and he never used anything around me.
But Michael Locket and I have nothing to do with one another and we never will.I admit defending Michael Locket in the past, ( why I dont know)but I wont any longer.Bash away my friend, he is no longer my concern
Natural is missing.
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"whatcha talkin bout, Ize is strong and womanlys"
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/6922/0/d/img_68451237831459.jpg)
Holy fucking shit! :-X
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Ron Sargeant is 43 years old... whoa...
But he still will be a force at the NPC Orange County show in 4 weeks if he can lose some weight, and work on his legs.
Some of the earlier pictures are competitors who are in their 50s and 60's. And there were quite a number of competitors who looked decent and were just happy to look good on stage, while knowing that they are not going to be a National Level competitor.
See you this weekend at the NPC Max Muscle Naturals in Culver City, California
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You also said he was natural pretty recently, backing Dante in a thread. When did he start juicing according to you? Last month? Dante "approved" him as a lifetime natural who had made up his mind to stop bodybuilding 2 months ago.
He's been playing with steroids for years and I think he had done the peptides as well even as far back as his last show in 2007. So we're probably not going to see an explosion in development from the guy.
He's better than you ever will be too. ;)
yeah exactly, he didn't explode in the last 4 years because he juiced for longer than that
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You also said he was natural pretty recently, backing Dante in a thread. When did he start juicing according to you? Last month? Dante "approved" him as a lifetime natural who had made up his mind to stop bodybuilding 2 months ago.
He's been playing with steroids for years and I think he had done the peptides as well even as far back as his last show in 2007. So we're probably not going to see an explosion in development from the guy.
He's better than you ever will be too. ;)
Ive never seen anyone so obsessed with someone like you are with Bradley Castleberry.
Ill give you some facts.
Bradley used over the counter pro hormones this last year for the first time....including this one http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pg/finigenx.html
He also dieted one week for that show....yes one week and he used one tablet of clen a day for the first time ever that final week.
He also shot for Muscular Development 2 days ago and also informed them and Charles Glass that he has only done over the counter pro hormones.
And while you go on all these boards as Omni (musclemayhem) and killerstack (pro muscle) as the bitter guy who thinks anyone over 170 pounds is on the sauce because you personally cant get it done.....if you are so obsessed with the guy why dont you come down to these 2 gyms down here in San Marcos and Vista where he lifts so you can get to know him.......and find out how embarrased you would be when you figure out he lifts like a human forklift, been fighting with himself for a couple years just to do the pro hormones, his father had great genetics, his cousin is 6'4" 250 and ripped to the bone also on pro hormones only.....and that Bradley doesnt know where to go next or what to do because he doesnt want to do anything but over the counter stuff.....hence why he only dieted for the show hardcore for one week and went in on a lark.
Whats a matter Van you dont have the genetics to frog leap over the front of an SUV either?
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I thought everybody had the genetics to do that no problem.
Lets see--he competes in the Musclemania for years at 190 to 198, he competes in the NPC Excalibur in December of 2007 in pretty lean shape at 198 in the lightheavies......he then trains a year and a half and uses over the counter pro hormones and goes in at 223 but smooth and at least 10-15 pounds too heavy.....and his abdominal structure and physique carry him over the extreme smoothness of his legs
If you dont realize that a guy with Bradleys genetics could compete at 250 pounds ripped to the bone destroying everyone and anyone (if he did what everyone else was doing) .......then i dont know what to tell you.
You put Bradley on what everyone else is doing and he gets a pro card in the next 2 years.....but that will never happen because he is scared shitless of that inj route.
The funniest thing is your peptide comment..... I would pay good money to film you asking him about peptides.....this is a guy who doesnt even like competing......doesnt know anacin from anavar and bell peppers vs peptides....and 10 minutes talking to him you would realize how deeply OCD you are into bodybuilding culture/products/substances and how much he absolutely has no clue and doesnt care.
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Come Konga..You must obey! As you can see gentlemen, I have hypnotized this primitive Zulu-beast to do my bidding. Look into my eyes Konga...
lmfao
quality!!!!!!
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HAHaha when someone says they only take "prohormones"-----99.9999% of the time it means, they know they look like they juice, so they use that as their lame excuse, thinking people will actually believe they're not the juicers they really are
its like the teenagers who tell their parents they're taking "cell-tech/creatine" when they start popping d-bolls nad shooting test
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HAHaha when someone says they only take "prohormones"-----99.9999% of the time it means, they know they look like they juice, so they use that as their lame excuse, thinking people will actually believe they're not the juicers they really are
Agree. Doggcrapp is protesting way too much, methinks.
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Agree. Doggcrapp is protesting way too much, methinks.
He';s probably going to have Brad hyping some of his snake oil in the future.
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Ive never seen anyone so obsessed with someone like you are with Bradley Castleberry.
Ill give you some facts.
Bradley used over the counter pro hormones this last year for the first time....including this one http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pg/finigenx.html
He also dieted one week for that show....yes one week and he used one tablet of clen a day for the first time ever that final week.
He also shot for Muscular Development 2 days ago and also informed them and Charles Glass that he has only done over the counter pro hormones.
And while you go on all these boards as Omni (musclemayhem) and killerstack (pro muscle) as the bitter guy who thinks anyone over 170 pounds is on the sauce because you personally cant get it done.....if you are so obsessed with the guy why dont you come down to these 2 gyms down here in San Marcos and Vista where he lifts so you can get to know him.......and find out how embarrased you would be when you figure out he lifts like a human forklift, been fighting with himself for a couple years just to do the pro hormones, his father had great genetics, his cousin is 6'4" 250 and ripped to the bone also on pro hormones only.....and that Bradley doesnt know where to go next or what to do because he doesnt want to do anything but over the counter stuff.....hence why he only dieted for the show hardcore for one week and went in on a lark.
Whats a matter Van you dont have the genetics to frog leap over the front of an SUV either?
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I thought everybody had the genetics to do that no problem.
Lets see--he competes in the Musclemania for years at 190 to 198, he competes in the NPC Excalibur in December of 2007 in pretty lean shape at 198 in the lightheavies......he then trains a year and a half and uses over the counter pro hormones and goes in at 223 but smooth and at least 10-15 pounds too heavy.....and his abdominal structure and physique carry him over the extreme smoothness of his legs
If you dont realize that a guy with Bradleys genetics could compete at 250 pounds ripped to the bone destroying everyone and anyone (if he did what everyone else was doing) .......then i dont know what to tell you.
You put Bradley on what everyone else is doing and he gets a pro card in the next 2 years.....but that will never happen because he is scared shitless of that inj route.
The funniest thing is your peptide comment..... I would pay good money to film you asking him about peptides.....this is a guy who doesnt even like competing......doesnt know anacin from anavar and bell peppers vs peptides....and 10 minutes talking to him you would realize how deeply OCD you are into bodybuilding culture/products/substances and how much he absolutely has no clue and doesnt care.
Lots of things here, what to reply to specifically, hmmm. ??? :P
I'm not bitter in the least... at least not because guys like Bradly have fantastic genetics for size and strength. That's the way it goes. I'm not really obsessed with him either, I'm just commenting on things I find interesting.
Like you, I have observed the psyche of countless bodybuilders over the years. The story you tell here is typical. A couple of months ago you were saying this guy would never take any hormones at all and was finished with bodybuilding. What happened, you now found out he had been pounding the orals for a year and a half... you must have been real surprised because you didn't see any signs of hormone use apparently. No, he wasn't lifetime natural for his last show in 2007. You of all people should have been able to see it.
Now he's done because he's afraid of needles. You think there's a small chance this will change shortly? :D And no he doesn't even like competing. What, someone forced him to take clen and orals and enter this show? Was it you? I mean drugs are so against everything he believes in he made videos dissing guys taking drugs. ::) Come on now, this guy loves the attention he gets from his physique and that's why he's doing it - nothing wrong with that. If indeed he is afraid of needles he will overcome it, guaranteed. Especially with guys like you predicting great things if he goes that route. BTW, since Bradly has such outstanding genetics and you claim to know several guys who turned pro without touching the sauce why couldn't Bradly do it as well?
I know perfectly well what genetics mean in bodybuilding. This isn't about being bitter because I 'don't have it'... I've come to terms with all that a long long time ago. This is just commentary on how bodybuilders work in my experience.
I've given you props on many forums on your training info but I've also called you out on some things I feel you're not totally honest and realistic about.
I'm also not a drug pusher; I frequently advice against them when asked. I'm not a big user myself either. Just so you don't get the wrong idea. You can't really call me out on being OCD about drugs considering your own history with drugs. You have tinkered and toyed with them quite extensively, given advice on how to use them etc. I know you are trying to distance yourself from the drug side nowadays but you have been quite deep into the whole scene in all aspects, judging by what you've written online over the years.
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Dante, dont waste your time talking to Van Bilderass.He is just another "internat punk".He reads 2-3 PatrickArnold articles, and know he thinks he is a guru.True story, I was talking to Patrick Arnold at the 2008 Mr Olympia, and he says there is some freak from Getbig, who calls his office 4-5 times a day, for 5 days straight.He talked to the guy once, and the guy mentioned getbig.Then Patrick Arnold was like Jesus.
Also Patrick says this same freak Van tries to bug him on other bodybuilding boards sending him pm's.
This dude Van is a stalker, he loves Patrick Arnold.
Bottom line Dante, you own a legit company, your a National level athlete, there for Vanbilderass is going to hate you.Your everything he is not.He wont post a pic, but I think I found one, of him.
Dante dont waste your time with this clown, I susepct he is probably around 35 years old, and lives in his mother basement.He is a hater.
If this is not you Vanderbilerder-takes it-in-the -ass prove me wrong, poser.Please leave Patrick Arnold alone, he straight, and your scaring him,lol
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Dante, dont waste your time talking to Van Bilderass.He is just another "internat punk".He reads 2-3 PatrickArnold articles, and know he thinks he is a guru.True story, I was talking to Patrick Arnold at the 2008 Mr Olympia, and he says there is some freak from Getbig, who calls his office 4-5 times a day, for 5 days straight.He talked to the guy once, and the guy mentioned getbig.Then Patrick Arnold was like Jesus.
Also Patrick says this same freak Van tries to bug him on other bodybuilding boards sending him pm's.
This dude Van is a stalker, he loves Patrick Arnold.
Bottom line Dante, you own a legit company, your a National level athlete, there for Vanbilderass is going to hate you.Your everything he is not.He wont post a pic, but I think I found one, of him.
Dante dont waste your time with this clown, I susepct he is probably around 35 years old, and lives in his mother basement.He is a hater.
If this is not you Vanderbilerder-takes it-in-the -ass prove me wrong, poser.Please leave Patrick Arnold alone, he straight, and your scaring him,lol
LOL. That pic still isn't VB, John. And it isn't Kegdrainer either, although it's been titled so.
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Van that is why I am suggesting you come and talk to Brad yourself...because your making decisions on his personality from behind a computer.....and in reality you would be walking away shaking your head thinking "wow i read that guy all wrong"
He is a pretty simple guy...if he was taking winny V, tren, and test prop for the show he would say "Im taking winny, tren and test prop for the show".....if he was doing pro hormones and clen he would say "im doing pro hormones and clen"
Im trying to relay to you that he doesnt give a crap about natural status, doesnt care what other guys do, isnt jealous of other people who are on....he just doesnt want to pin himself. Its really that simple. And I truly want to be there if you ask him about peptides because he will probably say "huh pepto bismal?" and he will be sincere in asking that.....because he doesnt know in the least.
He did over the counter pro hormones...is that juice? Then call him a juicer then...I dont think he cares.
He looks big onstage because of his proportions but with clothes on he doesnt look monstrous....GetItOnNY was much bigger than Bradley as a natural
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Dante, dont waste your time talking to Van Bilderass.He is just another "internat punk".He reads 2-3 PatrickArnold articles, and know he thinks he is a guru.True story, I was talking to Patrick Arnold at the 2008 Mr Olympia, and he says there is some freak from Getbig, who calls his office 4-5 times a day, for 5 days straight.He talked to the guy once, and the guy mentioned getbig.Then Patrick Arnold was like Jesus.
Also Patrick says this same freak Van tries to bug him on other bodybuilding boards sending him pm's.
This dude Van is a stalker, he loves Patrick Arnold.
Bottom line Dante, you own a legit company, your a National level athlete, there for Vanbilderass is going to hate you.Your everything he is not.He wont post a pic, but I think I found one, of him.
Dante dont waste your time with this clown, I susepct he is probably around 35 years old, and lives in his mother basement.He is a hater.
If this is not you Vanderbilerder-takes it-in-the -ass prove me wrong, poser.Please leave Patrick Arnold alone, he straight, and your scaring him,lol
You are quite the retard. At least Dante has some brain power. You on the other hand are a sorry POS. I'm NOT a chemist with "6000 hours in the lab" like you but I can rip apart your pathetic "knowledge" quite easily. Anyone can read our exchanges and decide for themselves.
I have never spoken with Patrick. Sent him ONE PM recently. As it happens it involved you. :D
Here it is:
Hello
Could you respond to this guy who says there's no such thing as creatine ethyl ester, creatine malate etc? He's been saying this on a couple of different forums. Here's the link:
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=54253
I'm no chemist but I'm sure you wouldn't have sold it if there was no such thing in the first place.
Thanks.
Check Patrick's reply in the thread. ;)
Perhaps Dante could also comment on whether there's such a thing as CEE since I'm pretty sure he sells it also.
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Van that is why I am suggesting you come and talk to Brad yourself...because your making decisions on his personality from behind a computer.....and in reality you would be walking away shaking your head thinking "wow i read that guy all wrong"
He is a pretty simple guy...if he was taking winny V, tren, and test prop for the show he would say "Im taking winny, tren and test prop for the show".....if he was doing pro hormones and clen he would say "im doing pro hormones and clen"
Im trying to relay to you that he doesnt give a crap about natural status, doesnt care what other guys do, isnt jealous of other people who are on....he just doesnt want to pin himself. Its really that simple. And I truly want to be there if you ask him about peptides because he will probably say "huh pepto bismal?" and he will be sincere in asking that.....because he doesnt know in the least.
He did over the counter pro hormones...is that juice? Then call him a juicer then...I dont think he cares.
He looks big onstage because of his proportions but with clothes on he doesnt look monstrous....GetItOnNY was much bigger than Bradley as a natural
Alright. Perhaps it's like you say for the most part.
As far as GetItOnNY, I wouldn't trust anything he says. I mean read his posts! :D
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Alex and Dante works out at the same gym as Dingleberry Liar #1 therefore they feel the need to defend his pathetic lies.
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Alright. Perhaps it's like you say for the most part.
As far as GetItOnNY, I wouldn't trust anything he says. I mean read his posts! :D
He;s quite teh joke
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Dante, this clown Vanbilderass, is trying to turn you against me.Little does he know we are allies.Van you will never turn Dante against me, because Dante knowns my backround, and he knows my reputation.I would have never been in this industry and strived for 15 years if I want on the up and up.
As Patrick Aronld goes, you have tried to call his office, and try to contact him all the time.You are known as the weird stalker guy at the office.
Dante his obseeisve he never stops, he is just a loser who wont post a pic, but hides behind a computer and pics peoples posts apart.Ony to find out he was wrong in the first place.Van where your pics, what are your credentials? Are you still working the grill at Mcdonalds?
Van you still havent expalined this pic yet? Why are you so fat, and smooth, and have no muscle.Yet you come to this boards
Dante whats going on with you? How is biz? When is your next show.The last pics I saw of you looked you awesome.Congradulations on your new born Daughter, I beleive I was told???? I know you just had a child congradulations and god bless you and your wife
Now Van expalin this pic to use.You big internet stud you
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Everyone looks like shit here
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Question..If you cant be Mr Olympia caliber why even try?
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Van "may I cream your Ass" getting destroyed once again.
The truth this faceless eurotrash craves the American strong and fantasizes about training the way we do down here.
Sorry "bro" we don't rely on "peptides" or whatever you call 'em and are pretty with our way of life.
Deal with it and crave good genetics for the rest of your life.
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Dante, this clown Vanbilderass, is trying to turn you against me.Little does he know we are allies.Van you will never turn Dante against me, because Dante knowns my backround, and he knows my reputation.I would have never been in this industry and strived for 15 years if I want on the up and up.
As Patrick Aronld goes, you have tried to call his office, and try to contact him all the time.You are known as the weird stalker guy at the office.
Dante his obseeisve he never stops, he is just a loser who wont post a pic, but hides behind a computer and pics peoples posts apart.Ony to find out he was wrong in the first place.Van where your pics, what are your credentials? Are you still working the grill at Mcdonalds?
Van you still havent expalined this pic yet? Why are you so fat, and smooth, and have no muscle.Yet you come to this boards
Now Van expalin this pic to use.You big internet stud you
You can't debate any of the points I make so you resort to this silliness. How old are you? I could be the guy in the pic and it wouldn't change anything, I would still be smarter and more honest than you. I don't know why anyone would want to associate with you after seeing how you behave here.
Van "may I cream your Ass" getting destroyed once again.
The truth this faceless eurotrash craves the American strong and fantasizes about training the way we do down here.
Sorry "bro" we don't rely on "peptides" or whatever you call 'em and are pretty with our way of life.
Deal with it and crave good genetics for the rest of your life.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. From what I see here your "training" consists mostly of logging in and out of dozens of gimmick accounts daily. If that's "American strong" then no, I don't "crave it".
How's the diet going? Have you dropped out of the show you said you were doing yet?
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Van first of all you never prove me wrong .The thread usually ends up me owning you, then you stop posting mysteriously.Once I own you, like always you crawl back into your corner.Only to try to attack me again like in this post.I WILL OWN YOU AGAIN IN THIS POST, and you will be forced back into the corner.
Van what are your credentals? Where is your pic.You talk alll this shit, yet you wont post a pic, and you hide your face like a little internet punk.Talk about me being dishonest.Your so secretive and dishonest you are ashamed to show people who you really are.You the deceptice one not me.I am a CEO of a very succesful company with assya to back up every product I make.
Van here is my pic at about 275-280lbs a legit 21" arm and about 56" chest.If I dont know what I am doing how did I achieve this.I dont have good genetics, and I dont use insulin or GH, because I have large bones, so I am blocky already
Van go back to your corner now
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Van first of all you never prove me wrong .The thread usually ends up me owning you, then you stop posting mysteriously.Once I own you, like always you crawl back into your corner.Only to try to attack me again like in this post.I WILL OWN YOU AGAIN IN THIS POST, and you will be forced back into the corner.
Van what are your credentals? Where is your pic.You talk alll this shit, yet you wont post a pic, and you hide your face like a little internet punk.Talk about me being dishonest.Your so secretive and dishonest you are ashamed to show people who you really are.You the deceptice one not me.I am a CEO of a very succesful company with assya to back up every product I make.
Van here is my pic at about 275-280lbs a legit 21" arm and about 56" chest.If I dont know what I am doing how did I achieve this.I dont have good genetics, and I dont use insulin or GH, because I have large bones, so I am blocky already
Van go back to your corner now
There are no special credentials needed to post on these forums. It's open to fans and haters alike. The reason I don't post a pic is 1) that I don't look like anything special, and 2) that there are some freaks on here, like Alex, who try to cause all sorts of problems for people IRL. I'm on the other side of the globe from you actually but still. I did post a pic here once actually but uploaded link expired apparently.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=114382.225
Despite not posting with my real name I haven't lied about any credentials or achievements. It's my opinion as an anonymous internet poster that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to supplements you sell and others you don't sell like CEE. Here's one example a while back:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=1ec30c85de09cb765780e7a219f102ca&t=5561861
You could always prove me wrong and show that there is no such thing as CEE for example. Shouldn't be hard if you're right. This has nothing to do with whether you have a better build than me or "know how to get big". It has no bearing on whether you know your supplement chemistry. Patrick Arnold isn't a competitive bodybuilder... would you say you're more knowledgeable regarding hormone and supplement chemistry than him? I'm not a chemist myself but I'm pretty sure he's right and you're wrong. You're too much of an ass to admit it and resort to these ad hominem attacks instead.
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I put the misc links here
http://www.getbig.com/headlines/2009/03/23/2009-npc-san-diego-contest-pics-and-results/
I wound up taking about 1,300-1,400 pics, wound up putting up about 800, as a multitude of pictures are of various competitors in various poses and routines. The contest was fun, had lunch after prejudging with Luc of Gaspari, and Hany Rambod, the advisor of champions! Chinese food, of course, and I paid!
Hope to see you at the NPC Max Muscle Natural show, this Saturday.
Holy crap Ron, I gotta honestly ask... 1) how many pics do you have on your drives TOTAL from all the years past and so on...? probably 50,000?? 2) How much total drive space do you have? couple of terabytes ?
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First off, that products isnt even made anymore.We havent made that product since 05-06. If you read the thread Patrick Arnold is bacially telling you to get a life.By the way the hormone wasnt DHEA, it never was.If it was DHEA I would have just put DHEA on the label.Why wouldnt DHEA, works, it has alot of benefits.When that post was going on I got a PM from Patrick Arnold telling me how much of a nutcase you were.He goes what is up with this guy?
My company buys raw materials from Patrick Arnold, so you cannot turn him against me aswell.
I still see pics no of you? Your the master of deception.You come on this board talk trash, but hide your name and your face.The worst part is you call other people who show there faces, and name deceptive.Atleast I am man enough to say, who I am and show my face.Van I fogot more about training chemistry ,diet, and life then you will ever know.Your a pitifull dark soul.Who is bitter and lashes out because your typical internet loser
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As far ass CEE goes I have lab assays showing it comes up as Creatine Monohydrate.If you want I will email you the lab assays Van.I have never seen a CEE, or a CEM ever come up as an Ester in a independent lab assay.If you know of a CEE that is legit send it to me Van and I will have it lab asayed at Miller labs in Utah.
I have lab assayed atleast a dozen CEE and not one of them came up as an Ester.
Why would you want to Bond a Ehtyl Ester to creatine anyways?????
Why not just raise the PH like Jeff Golini did, and make something that really works?
These companies got to stop with the CEE, CEAM,Creatine Taurinate, Creatine Gluconate, Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta-Alanine,Creatine Pyruvate,Creatine Ester Phosphate,.It really has gotten out of hand.Theyare just making up names now.
The Chinese suppliers are making fancy names for inexpensive creatine.
Van show me how can you bond Creatine Monohydrate to an Ester, and have it come out as an Ester.Van get me a bottle, AND i EVEN PAY FOR THE aSSAY
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great debating skills by GetItOnNY
'Post your pic I own you'
haha retard
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All water retentioned.
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Thanks for the info in this show. I haven't been down there to see a show since the Cal was there in 94 ( I think). I also went to the Border St's.
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First off, that products isnt even made anymore.We havent made that product since 05-06. If you read the thread Patrick Arnold is bacially telling you to get a life.By the way the hormone wasnt DHEA, it never was.If it was DHEA I would have just put DHEA on the label.Why wouldnt DHEA, works, it has alot of benefits.When that post was going on I got a PM from Patrick Arnold telling me how much of a nutcase you were.He goes what is up with this guy?
My company buys raw materials from Patrick Arnold, so you cannot turn him against me aswell.
I still see pics no of you? Your the master of deception.You come on this board talk trash, but hide your name and your face.The worst part is you call other people who show there faces, and name deceptive.Atleast I am man enough to say, who I am and show my face.Van I fogot more about training chemistry ,diet, and life then you will ever know.Your a pitifull dark soul.Who is bitter and lashes out because your typical internet loser
I doubt you got any such PM from him. It's not like I was hounding him in numerous PMs. I just put up a perfectly reasonable thread asking my questions. If you check PA's history there he gets in tons of discussions like that over fraudulent and deceptive labeling and so on. That's what he does and he is mostly right IMHO. You think he was dissing me there? That's not how I read it, he was basically saying you were a moron but he didn't wish to get in anymore e-fights since he was involved in so many of them. But, anyone can read the thread and come to their own conclusions I guess.
And I'm a "dark soul"? You have lots of hating posts here. Weren't you dissing that one girl over her nose the other day? Yeah, you're such a positive gentleman. ::)
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As far ass CEE goes I have lab assays showing it comes up as Creatine Monohydrate.If you want I will email you the lab assays Van.I have never seen a CEE, or a CEM ever come up as an Ester in a independent lab assay.If you know of a CEE that is legit send it to me Van and I will have it lab asayed at Miller labs in Utah.
I have lab assayed atleast a dozen CEE and not one of them came up as an Ester.
Why would you want to Bond a Ehtyl Ester to creatine anyways?????
Why not just raise the PH like Jeff Golini did, and make something that really works?
These companies got to stop with the CEE, CEAM,Creatine Taurinate, Creatine Gluconate, Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta-Alanine,Creatine Pyruvate,Creatine Ester Phosphate,.It really has gotten out of hand.Theyare just making up names now.
The Chinese suppliers are making fancy names for inexpensive creatine.
Van show me how can you bond Creatine Monohydrate to an Ester, and have it come out as an Ester.Van get me a bottle, AND i EVEN PAY FOR THE aSSAY
Look, I'm NOT a chemist so I don't know. Patrick Arnold says this is simple elementary chemistry though. I've also seen that there have been studies done on the compound. If there was no such thing it would have been exposed a long time ago I think. So my bet is that you're the one mistaken here.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19228401
Dante also sells it on trueprotein and I doubt he would sell a scam like that.
http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=25&pid=2369#Details
Jeff Golini is the guy who sells the LBA's that Hernon used to sell before going with Dante's product, right? The marketing info for that product was deceptive as well IMO. Dante finally said it was nothing but hydrolyzed collagen like some of us on professionalmuscle had thought, despite protests to the contrary.
Here's something else interesting:
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2004/allamerican.shtml
Furthermore, in the “All American Quality” section, under the heading “Our In-House Lab,” your website states the following: “All inbound raw material will be FDA validated,” “All finished products will be FDA validated,” and “Your product will meet label claims backed by the only analyzer FDA validated.” These statements are false; FDA does not validate or approve your finished products, the raw materials you use, or your laboratory equipment. These false representations cause the products sold on your website to be misbranded under section 403(a)(1) (for dietary supplements and other foods) or section 502(a)(for drugs) of the Act.
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Dante doesnt sell scams, I know that for a fact.Maybe he would a source that is a realy Ester creatine, or he vjust carries it because he gets requests for it.Dante is a raw material suppleir so some people may insist on on having CEE, so he just gives them what they want.
Van you right you not a chemist, your not even a bodybuilder, so dont come on this board tryinbg to act like one.
Go hang out at the Richard Simmons webiste or something.You have no idea what your talking about.
You put your name and Patrick Arnold in the same sentence.Patrick Arnold is a genious, and doesnt hide behind a screen like you do.
Now you trying to bash Jeff Golini, nice, your a real class act.Jeff Golini is a very very legitimate man who is very reputable.Van go crawl back in your hole .Your an idiot, and you have no useful information for anyobdy
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Van dont even talkabout guys like Patrick Arnold of Jeff Golini.Especially if you know nothing about them.
Jeff Golini took creatine to a whole new level.He changed the PH, by doing this he stopped the conversoion of creatinine.His creatine doesnt cause bloating ,cramping, the runs , ,water retention like most creatiine monohydrates do.Jeff Golini is a genius, and anybody who has used Kre-ALKALYN SWEARS BY IT.I have been messing with for 4 years now, without any negative side effects or problems.
The only people who bash Kre-Alklayn or Jeff Golini are crooks or losers themselves.They only bash because they either cant afford it or they cant compete with it.Do you realize he is so smart he has a patent that says no other company can produce a creatine product with a PH above 7.If they do its patent infrignement.I know because he is suing a company right now, for claining they have a PHof 8.Kre-alklayn has a PH of 12-14 which makes it ideal for absorption.Its at an alkalyn level so it doesnt cause stomach distress.He created the ideal situation for creatine.
Jeff Golini is some one I look up to, and is a true genious.
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Jeff Golini took creatine to a whole new level.He changed the PH, by doing this he stopped the conversoion of creatinine.
Really? :D
Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates
Tallon MJ1 and Child R2. Kre-alkalyn® supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates. 1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom.2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom.
All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn® (KA) is a "Buffered" creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM. This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure®). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37± 1°C and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine. In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.
This research was presented at the 4th Annual International Society of Sports Nutrition Conference (Las Vegas, USA)
His creatine doesnt cause bloating ,cramping, the runs , ,water retention like most creatiine monohydrates do.
Its at an alkalyn level so it doesnt cause stomach distress.He created the ideal situation for creatine.
Jeff Golini is some one I look up to, and is a true genious.
Not everyone agrees :D
kre alkylyn tied my stomach in knots
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showpost.php?p=1324366&postcount=82
The only people who bash Kre-Alklayn or Jeff Golini are crooks or losers themselves.They only bash because they either cant afford it or they cant compete with it.
Here's what Patrick thinks of Kre-Alkalyn's marketing claims:
sorry but this is full of marketing manipulation of science to deceive people
it is full of BS.
in fact it disgusts me.
he is lying about the massive instability of creatine in acidic solution.
he is lying about creatinine being toxic
i have scoured the published literature and there is not a single study showing that there is a rapid degradation of creatine to creatinine at ANY pH. the inventor of kre-alkalyn does not even present any data or reference any study showing any data to support his contention either
therefore it is my conclusion that he is a self serving lying son of a bitch
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=401502
So Patrick is a crook and loser? Or is he a genius like you said earlier :D
I like Patrick but this Golini dude has a long history with lots of unsubstantiated claims for his products. He may be a genius in playing the supplement market and making money off naive consumers though. :D
I have used Kre-Alkalyn myself when I've gotten it for free. Nothing special. I think the reason some feel you get less water retention and stomach irritation with it is simply because you use less of it. After all, it's just the same creatine mixed with buffers.
As usual you wont be able to debate any of my actual points. Yeah, you have a 21'' arm. That's great, congratulations.
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When it comes to hormones Patrick Arnold is a genius.When it come to powders Jeff Golini is a genious.
Every chemist has there strong points, this I know.I know both Jeff, and Patrick, and they may not see eye to eye on everything they both have impressive resumes.I have never anyody repautble bash Kre-Alklayn, they only people that do havent taken enough of it, or havent really researched it.
Some people think Patrick Arnold is a scam, I dont but there are people that do,.
I know one thing his raw materials are expensive as sh#$# .I know we buy the androsterone, and the 4-etioallcholen-3,6,17-trione.Both work great.
I do buissness with both Jeff Goini, and Patrick Arnold .Patrick makes the best estrogen blockers -Raw Hormones, and Jeff makes the best creatine.
As far as 21" arms go, thanx but they arent 21" anymore the pics is 2 years old.I would say my arms are probably around 20" now.I weigh right around 245lbs -250lbs.I dont need to be big anymore I am retired from competing.
I just want to be in shape now.I have nothing to prove.Now I just help and advise other athletes on how they can achieve and conquer there goals.The sport has to continue to grow, and my time to pass the torch the the younger guys coming up.Like my mentors once passed the torch to me
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GetitOny is getting destroyed here by Van the Man.
Hilarious.
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I always appreciatte Van Bilderass's posts----he's one of the most informative and no-nonsense posters on here
GetitonNY has shot his credibility in the foot more than once------the pinnacle was his fervent protesting that MIchael Lockett was a natural...just fucking ridiculous, to think anyone would believe that crap
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Robins I am not getting destroyed.Van did like he aways does, use Patrick Arnolds information, not his own.He is smart enough to go head to head or toe to toe with me.
I was alot of respect for Patrick Arnold and what he has done for the industry,but I have to strongly disagree with what he is saying about Kre-Alklayln.Patrick Arnold is known for his hormones, not his powders.Evertime he has came out with a powder product it really has never sold even close to what his hormones sell.PA is talking is his post that he doesnt beleive in Kre-alklany, but where is his proven research that it doesnt work?.When I read PA post I found it hard to beleive he was bashing Jeff Golinii's character.PA is no angel.PA is a felon, Jeff Golini has no cimminal history?So are we going to bash PA for having a record or judge him? There are alot of people who thinjk PA is a scam.I am not one of them but he has just as much haters as he does fans.I like PA, is he a rebel.
Where is his research that proves CEE actually exists.I have to independent assays that are from the largest supplier in China of CEE.That when tested came up as just creatine monohydrate.Expalin this ? There was no Ester or Ethyl Ester detected.The Chinese are creatine these odd chemical names and suckering companies.There is no such thing as Creatine Ethyl Ester Malate.There is no such thing as Creatine Ethyl Ester Beta ALANINE.Its all just creatine monohydrate, with a fancy name attached to it.Plus the Chinese creatine is known to contain high amounts of lead and aresenic? Why did PA mention this? Probably because he doesnt know.PA is a hormone expert, guru, and god so to speak.But when it comes to powders, I think there are people with more knowledge.
I have worked with Kre-ALklyn for 4 years now, and I have doen the homework on it.Nothing works better.It does cause gas, bloating water retention, and it just works.Nothing works like it, and nothing will.The problem is it is justy creatine monohydrate, with a higher PH.IT doesnt have a fancy name attached to itLie ethyl ester betalanine malate taurinate glconate lol.Its like these companies are seiing how many names, they can attach to the name creatine.Its silly.Why mess or bond creatine at all.If they would have stuck to making creatine in America like they did in 90's they wouldnt need to come up with the fancy name.Because back then creatine worked, the old Phosphagen made in the USA by Phfestyl, ( i forgot how to spell there name) worked better then any Chinese creatine ever has and ever will.Now creatine is mass produced they rush the drying process, thats why most of its garbage.Kre-ALKLAYN is American made, and works better then the original Phosphaghen ever did.Kre-alklayn cost 10 times more then chinese creatine, and 5 times more then CEE.Kre-Alkalyn costs as much per kilo as the old American creatine did in 1995.So basically your paying the same price for a product that is better 14 years later.Like I said before the only people who bash Kre-Alklayn is the people who havent used it, or doen there research.I can name atleast 2 dozen pro athletes who swear by it.They may endorse CEE products but Kre-Alklayn is what they really use.
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Only a fool would defend a person who looks this bad.Van Bilderaas's post are nonsense, just like this body he built.If you want to look like this, then listen to him.Its like the blind leading the blind.If you want to look like him then listen to him.I got this pic form a relaible source.He hasnt proved me wrong yet.Most people look better then this even before liftin g weights.Van what happened? Did you follow your own advice and fail? Your Avatar says "dont try" .I can tell really practice what you preach
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Only a fool would defend a person who loos this bad.Van Bilderaas's post are nonsense, just vlike this body he built.If you want to look like this, then listen to him.Its like the blind leading the blind.If you want to look like him then listen to him.I got this pic form a relaible source.He hasnt proved its not him.
come on----it takes a lot more than posting a random pic from the internet to own someone
at least you took the "kegdrainer" label off of it this time
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I thought it was kegdrainer, but someone sent me a PM, a (moderator) and said thats Van Bildrass.Everytime I bring up this picture he doesnt have much to say.Plus he hasnt proved me wrong.
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Only a fool would defend a person who looks this bad.Van Bilderaas's post are nonsense, just like this body he built.If you want to look like this, then listen to him.Its like the blind leading the blind.If you want to look like him then listen to him.I got this pic form a relaible source.He hasnt proved me wrong yet.Most people look better then this even before liftin g weights.Van what happened? Did you follow your own advice and fail? Your Avatar says "dont try" .I can tell really practice what you preach
"Don't try" basically means don't put on a fake front. Like you are doing, you are fronting as an expert but you are a child mentally.
I thought it was kegdrainer, but someone sent me a PM, a (moderator) and said thats Van Bildrass.Everytime I bring up this picture he doesnt have much to say.Plus he hasnt proved me wrong.
All you had to do was google Van Bilderass to find my pic. Here it is:
http://www.myspace.com/55657839
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Van you proved me wrong.You are man enough to post your pic.Even though your not built.
I have to give you props for posting your pics.
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Some really odd people in this thread. :-\
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Van you proved me wrong.You are man enough to post your pic.Even though your not built.
I have to give you props for posting your pics.
dumbass :D
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Classic Nordic thread
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dumbass :D
LOL!!! I think it's fair to say that "GetItOnNY" buzzes people in hsi project building when they say "UPS" in his intercom.
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How come this dude don' get no mofoin' special attention?
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Ppfffffffttttttt!
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"whatcha talkin bout, Ize is strong and womanlys"
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