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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: allnatural on March 25, 2009, 06:27:01 AM
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What's up guys? I have been following this forums for quite time now and finally signed up. My height is 5'11 and my weight is 195 pounds as of right now. About 12% body fat. 26 years old.
I have a friend that works for one place and he's sending me some stuff to test out (international shipment). He swears that their products are legit. It Geneza Labs (GP). Here is a list of products that I will receive in one week (I'll post pics later on).
30cc of Test E
20cc of Tren E
40cc of Test A
60 50mg winny pills
I was planning on running some of that this summer before my cruise trip. I would just propably do something like that:
1-8wk test a 100mg eod
1-8wk winny 50 ed
PCT: I have nolva, clomid and letro on hand.
P.S. I have run 3 cycles before:
1) test 500mg/week no pct ( I was very young and stupid, didn't know better)
2) Omnadren 750mg/week pct nolva
3) Sust 250mg & tren ace 100mg/eod e3d pct nolva and clomid (letro on hand)
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I like the irony here ;D
your cycle looks ok
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Thanks Stavios!!!
Has anyone else tried their products?
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Geneza Labs (GP)
i can swear by for they oral winny tablets (triangle shaped yellow with GP engraved)
I'm also using Axio Labs Eq which is doing its thing.
so once you get your gear. go to the website and type in the series # to confirm it is legit.
one of the reason I like real gear as posse to UG.
enjoy your cycle
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Geneza Labs (GP)
i can swear by for they oral winny tablets (triangle shaped yellow with GP engraved)
I'm also using Axio Labs Eq which is doing its thing.
so once you get your gear. go to the website and type in the series # to confirm it is legit.
one of the reason I like real gear as posse to UG.
enjoy your cycle
Great!!! I'll do that. ;)
Later I'll post my gains.
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Anyone else has any reviews about this lab?
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???
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=255703.msg3613273
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looks good to me...throw some clen in there...hows your diet?
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Geneza Labs (GP)
i can swear by for they oral winny tablets (triangle shaped yellow with GP engraved)
I'm also using Axio Labs Eq which is doing its thing.
so once you get your gear. go to the website and type in the series # to confirm it is legit.
one of the reason I like real gear as posse to UG.
enjoy your cycle
Sorry to burst your bubble but Axio, Syntrop, Geneza, etc. is not REAL GEAR. It's UG. The only real gear are human grade companies like Jelfa, Schering, Galenika, etc. etc. You're not going to find Axio or Syntrop in pharmacies in Europe, or America or any other country. LOL. I guess Balkan is a real pharmaceutical company? Haha. Plus besides deca........most testosterone products from legit human grade pharm companies comes in amps. Cheaper and much better quality control. Keep these things in mind when claiming Axio and the like are not UG.
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is primobolan depot schering ok for cutting cycle?
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is primobolan depot schering ok for cutting cycle?
It's the MOST faked steroid out there. But yeah if you can find the legit stuff it's awesome at 600+mg a week but very pricey.
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looks good to me...throw some clen in there...hows your diet?
Actually I do have clen too and I wanted to know if I should run it during cycle or in pct?
My diet right now is actually pretty good right now. Still testing out amounts of carbs I can get by without gaining in my stomach.
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It's the MOST faked steroid out there. But yeah if you can find the legit stuff it's awesome at 600+mg a week but very pricey.
I heard it's quite expensive to make so the underground stuff must be super underdosed as well :-\
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I heard it's quite expensive to make so the underground stuff must be super underdosed as well :-\
Yes I say that all the time. How is it that primo amps are so damn expensive yet some UG who supposedly has more access to cheaper powders than a legit pharm company can manufacture a 10ml bottle of primo 100mg/ml for $75? LMAO! No way. Primo is one of the most expensive powders. These HG companies buy the shit in BULK.......ten times more than some UGL does. And it's still expensive.
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I have a friend that works for one place and he's sending me some stuff to test out (international shipment). He swears that their products are legit. It Geneza Labs (GP).
I don't care who your friend is or what he swears by.
Geneza is Naps' new company and he is the one directly responsible for the downturn in Axio Labs.
Stay away from Geneza and get something decent or HG.
DIV
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I don't care who your friend is or what he swears by.
Geneza is Naps' new company and he is the one directly responsible for the downturn in Axio Labs.
Stay away from Geneza and get something decent or HG.
DIV
If you say so. To be honest I don't care if they downturn Axio as long as the product is fine.
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I don't care who your friend is or what he swears by.
Geneza is Naps' new company and he is the one directly responsible for the downturn in Axio Labs.
Stay away from Geneza and get something decent or HG.
DIV
This is truth. GP is Naps lab.
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1-8wk test a 100mg eod
1-8wk winny 50 ed
PCT: I have nolva, clomid and letro on hand.
Not a fan of 8 weeks. Go 12-16, you'll be much happier. Just as safe. Based on the only 2 compounds you chose:
Test 500mg per week 1-12
Winny 50mg ed for 6 weeks (weeks 5-10)
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I think 8 weeks is great if you're using short acting test i.e. prop. Otherwise it takes sometimes up to 3-4 weeks for longer acting test to start kicking or build up and really notice it.
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If you say so. To be honest I don't care if they downturn Axio as long as the product is fine.
It's not because I said so.
It's the truth.
Naps is Geneza.
If you are stupid enough to spend money on it, so be it. ;D
DIV
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cycle looks good... but uhh... no clen/albuterol ??! you might also think about incorporating anavar in there for extra vascularity ;)
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I think 8 weeks is great if you're using short acting test i.e. prop. Otherwise it takes sometimes up to 3-4 weeks for longer acting test to start kicking or build up and really notice it.
I want to try the 6 weeks on of propionate, 4 weeks off plan, but I just hate propionate.
that shit hurts
but it would be a great way to cycle whitout losing much size the whole year, you don't lose any size in 4 weeks
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It's not because I said so.
It's the truth.
Naps is Geneza.
If you are stupid enough to spend money on it, so be it. ;D
DIV
I'm not stupid. I'm receiving everything for free. My friend works there. Also I'm receiving 30ml of test e and 20ml of tren e.
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cycle looks good... but uhh... no clen/albuterol ??! you might also think about incorporating anavar in there for extra vascularity ;)
I actually have clen just wasn't sure if I should use it during cycle or during pct.
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I actually have clen just wasn't sure if I should use it during cycle or during pct.
That really depends on what you want to look like and when... you could always do both, run clen the first 3 weeks of the cycle, then 2 weeks off and 3 more weeks of clen post cycle.
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That really depends on what you want to look like and when... you could always do both, run clen the first 3 weeks of the cycle, then 2 weeks off and 3 more weeks of clen post cycle.
That's actually great idea. Thanks.
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Great news. Last night I have received my package. I went to Geneza website and all ISN numbers check out good.
25mg of winni already in my stomach.
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Just did my 1st shot of test prop 125mg. Shot went mainless.
But now my shoulder is getting little sore. :D
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Just did my 1st shot of test prop 125mg. Shot went mainless.
But now my shoulder is getting little sore. :D
prop is known to hurt its the short ester the shorter the ester the more likely it will get sore you should try takeing the one dose and make 2 shots out of it until your muscles get used to it you have plenty of injection sites
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prop is known to hurt its the short ester the shorter the ester the more likely it will get sore you should try takeing the one dose and make 2 shots out of it until your muscles get used to it you have plenty of injection sites
Thanks for the advice Shrek. The injection felt basically the same as my other shots like omnas, sust or test e.
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yeah it dont hurt right a way but then like an hour or the next day it hurts
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I cant wait till the body of science comes out so we can get the truth about GP. Something that alot of you will soon learn is that this is the ONLY board that slams GP and Naps. Division is the main one that helps push the issue.
Division, have you even tried GP in the last 6-8 months if or even 12? Have you seen the lab results for GP?
The talk about NAPS being the downfall of axio is old news. All anyone wants to talk about is HG, well heres a news flash. Not everyone can get. GP is good gear. I would be willing to bet that half the people on here bashing UG is probably using it. IF the lab reports come back saying heavily underdosed then I will retract what I am saying but I highly doubt they will.
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I cant wait till the body of science comes out so we can get the truth about GP. Something that alot of you will soon learn is that this is the ONLY board that slams GP and Naps. Division is the main one that helps push the issue.
Division, have you even tried GP in the last 6-8 months if or even 12? Have you seen the lab results for GP?
The talk about NAPS being the downfall of axio is old news. All anyone wants to talk about is HG, well heres a news flash. Not everyone can get. GP is good gear. I would be willing to bet that half the people on here bashing UG is probably using it. IF the lab reports come back saying heavily underdosed then I will retract what I am saying but I highly doubt they will.
here you are again complaining that we tell yall no UG shit quit buying from the meathead at the gym or your old college buddy
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here you are again complaining that we tell yall no UG shit quit buying from the meathead at the gym or your old college buddy
what does that even mean,
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I should feel some reasults within a week or so, we shall see the results.
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what does that even mean,
if you can find that stuff you can find HG unless you didnt find your gear but are getting it from a dealer that only carries that shit and is probably chargeing you a shit load for it..... and u complain about people telling u not to use UG gear and your response is that they probably use it too and the answer to that is no they arent useing it
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Im saying that GP has been thrown to the wolves and not a handful of people on here can truly say how good or bad it is, nor can anyone argue its dosage. It gets old reading the same bullshit when NO ONE can produce any results. GP is being bashed on here just because Division has his "friend" tell him its no good.
Give it a good 2-3 weeks natural and you will see results, strength and size Period.
Shrek if you can give a proven statement about GP then go ahead
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Im saying that GP has been thrown to the wolves and not a handful of people on here can truly say how good or bad it is, nor can anyone argue its dosage. It gets old reading the same bullshit when NO ONE can produce any results. GP is being bashed on here just because Division has his "friend" tell him its no good.
Give it a good 2-3 weeks natural and you will see results, strength and size Period.
Shrek if you can give a proven statement about GP then go ahead
i dont use it nor other ug cause i wont chance it because they are not regulated by any medical field..... look its ok if you want to take up for the gear because you bought it and now you take it personal when someone bashes your choice in gear....... but DIV isnt the only one here telling people not to use UG gear its a hit and miss situation on cycle u might get gear in the oil the next time you might not so why chance it
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i dont use it nor other ug cause i wont chance it because they are not regulated by any medical field..... look its ok if you want to take up for the gear because you bought it and now you take it personal when someone bashes your choice in gear....... but DIV isnt the only one here telling people not to use UG gear its a hit and miss situation on cycle u might get gear in the oil the next time you might not so why chance it
OK thats what Im saying, the biggest reason it is bashed is because of word of mouth. talk to a guy that has actually used it. Yes I do think that GP is good gear, I cant vouch for all of it, but some is good. How can you bash it if you havent even tried it? Thats all Im saying. If you search Geneza there are many forums and topics that speak good of the product. And come on man lay off the lame question deal with me, you've asked your share of questions like alot of guys. DOnt act like you've never second guessed yourself
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I'm not sure that dosing was the issue with Naps or Geneza. It was heavy metal contaminants. Stuff that would not be immediately evident, but could cause issues down the road health-wise.
In any case it's all hear-say, Lewellen's book should have a number of GP items tested.
I'm a fan of the BOS board, but there is a lot of torpedo-ing from one UG rep to the next. All trying to de-fame the other. When Bill's book comes out, I think it will be a real eye-opener for some.
Besides, we got us a real, live guinea pig with Mr. "not-so allnatural". Hopefully he'll keep us posted...
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I'm not sure that dosing was the issue with Naps or Geneza. It was heavy metal contaminants. Stuff that would not be immediately evident, but could cause issues down the road health-wise.
In any case it's all hear-say, Lewellen's book should have a number of GP items tested.
I'm a fan of the BOS board, but there is a lot of torpedo-ing from one UG rep to the next. All trying to de-fame the other. When Bill's book comes out, I think it will be a real eye-opener for some.
Besides, we got us a real, live guinea pig with Mr. "not-so allnatural". Hopefully he'll keep us posted...
You got that right Big Rock. Today my shoulder feels little more sore, nice.
To be honest, I can't wait to start seeing the results.
Should I start feeling winni within a week?
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I'm not stupid. I'm receiving everything for free. My friend works there. Also I'm receiving 30ml of test e and 20ml of tren e.
Free shit is still shit all the same. :-X
If you are planning to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, then by all means, use Geneza....
It's been tested out and shown to be underdosed worse than anything that's come back about Axio or Syntrop.
BOS did this........
If you're getting it for free, there's nothing at stake for you, except perhaps your health.....
High metallic concentrations are being found in many of these UG's....and Geneza is high on the list of companies I'd suspect.
Waiting on William Llewellyn's book which will bear all this out.
DIV
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Free shit is still shit all the same. :-X
If you are planning to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, then by all means, use Geneza....
It's been tested out and shown to be underdosed worse than anything that's come back about Axio or Syntrop.
BOS did this........
If you're getting it for free, there's nothing at stake for you, except perhaps your health.....
High metallic concentrations are being found in many of these UG's....and Geneza is high on the list of companies I'd suspect.
Waiting on William Llewellyn's book which will bear all this out.
DIV
good post i was trying to explain to these guys the same but im not a veteran at getbig so they were never going to listen
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Free shit is still shit all the same. :-X
If you are planning to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, then by all means, use Geneza....
It's been tested out and shown to be underdosed worse than anything that's come back about Axio or Syntrop.
BOS did this........
If you're getting it for free, there's nothing at stake for you, except perhaps your health.....
High metallic concentrations are being found in many of these UG's....and Geneza is high on the list of companies I'd suspect.
Waiting on William Llewellyn's book which will bear all this out.
DIV
I agree with you to a certain point. This is the first time that I'm using GP, but I do trust a guy that send me this product.
I have few friends that are on sustaplex from axio and they are seeing very good results.
Sometimes you'll get good gear sometimes not. Anyway I trust my source. Definitelly waiting on William Llewellyn's book (when it's coming out???)
P.S. 90% of people on this board cannot get/find HG. It's already hard to find really legit UG.
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DIV could be right about the metals, none of us really know. Its no secret that it has been found previously in alot of UG vials. There has even been alot of speculation about alot of batches though no one wants to post about doses, its a 50-50 argument. You will see results after a few weeks in if you use it correctly with proper diet.
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DIV could be right about the metals, none of us really know. Its no secret that it has been found previously in alot of UG vials. There has even been alot of speculation about alot of batches though no one wants to post about doses, its a 50-50 argument. You will see results after a few weeks in if you use it correctly with proper diet.
I hope I'll see it. My diet is clean (less carbs and more protein). Lost about 5pounds from my stomach since I canhed my diet and hit the cardio ed.
125mg eod test p and 50mg winni ed
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good luck, only my opinion but Id go with test e next time, less injections same dose.
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good luck, only my opinion but Id go with test e next time, less injections same dose.
Like I mentioned before, I still have 30ml of test e and 20ml of tren e (tren color looks delicious), lol. But I will use this more toward winter.
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Free shit is still shit all the same. :-X
If you are planning to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, then by all means, use Geneza....
It's been tested out and shown to be underdosed worse than anything that's come back about Axio or Syntrop.
BOS did this........
If you're getting it for free, there's nothing at stake for you, except perhaps your health.....
High metallic concentrations are being found in many of these UG's....and Geneza is high on the list of companies I'd suspect.
Waiting on William Llewellyn's book which will bear all this out.
DIV
Dude, WTF are you talking about? GP's no worse then Axio or Synthrop, ug is ug... I've had great results using GP products since their induction, either you're tripping for no reason or you have some ulterior motives at stake here.
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I did a shot of prop in my left bicep on Saturday. What can I say, painfull.
Today another bicep gets the threatment.
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I did a shot of prop in my left bicep on Saturday. What can I say, painfull.
Today another bicep gets the threatment.
oh boy the pain will get worse and then it will fade away by saturday
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I'm actually considering upping my dosage of test from 125mg eod to 150mg eod. Will it make much difference?
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I'm actually considering upping my dosage of test from 125mg eod to 150mg eod. Will it make much difference?
it will make a diff in your amount of test in the body thats about it what kind of diff are you looking for
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it will make a diff in your amount of test in the body thats about it what kind of diff are you looking for
More lean mass. ;)
Just shoot 150mg in my front delt. Ouch. Lot more pain than before. Niiiiccccceeee.
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when i shoot something that will make me sore i will do 2 different shots to lower the amount of oil each muscle has to obsorb it seemed to help me out.... also learn to inject in all the areas
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when i shoot something that will make me sore i will do 2 different shots to lower the amount of oil each muscle has to obsorb it seemed to help me out.... also learn to inject in all the areas
Yea I'll try that.
I shoot in delts, glutes, biceps and triceps. I'm trying to force my self to shoot it in my thigh.
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glutes hurt the less pecs seem easy if you have a big chest and the quads have like 4 places
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He's shootin prop. It's my understaning it's just more of a stinger.
I'm tellin ya dude, try the ventro gluteal. Pumped 2.5ml in this morning, painless. Once you try it, you'll add it to the roation.
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How long after you guys start to see the results from winni?
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How long after you guys start to see the results from winni?
winstrol? about a week..
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Thanks Cap!!!
To be honest I'm starting to see little water on my face. With my body it doesn't matter how clean my diet is (It's pretty clean now), I still get bloated.
I'm doing cardio 6 times a week but might throw in some letro in the mix. Maybe start with .5mg ed.
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Thanks Cap!!!
To be honest I'm starting to see little water on my face. With my body it doesn't matter how clean my diet is (It's pretty clean now), I still get bloated.
I'm doing cardio 6 times a week but might throw in some letro in the mix. Maybe start with .5mg ed.
Careful with the letro as it will shut down your sex drive HARD, that's if you take 1mg ED or EOD, personally I would split it up into 3 or 4 pieces and take each piece EOD, or try nolva first @ 20mg a day.
best of luck.
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Careful with the letro as it will shut down your sex drive HARD, that's if you take 1mg ED or EOD, personally I would split it up into 3 or 4 pieces and take each piece EOD, or try nolva first @ 20mg a day.
best of luck.
Nolva is no aromatase inhibitor, has ZERO influence on bloating.
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Nolva is no aromatase inhibitor, has ZERO influence on bloating.
clinically maybe not, but in real life experience it works magic... obviously you haven't been around the game long,.
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yeah letro is some strong shit kinda "use as really needed" type of thing it will shut ur libido down like Capt. said but also after a bit of use it might have an ugle estrogen rebound......
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take arimidex 3 times a week that should work awesome if you arent into the nolva its less harsh then the letro in terms of what the sides are
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clinically maybe not, but in real life experience it works magic... obviously you haven't been around the game long,.
very true...but I never understood why it decreased bloating. You wouldn't think so given that it's not an AI.
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very true...but I never understood why it decreased bloating. You wouldn't think so given that it's not an AI.
Nolva works in mysterious ways ;)
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Careful with the letro as it will shut down your sex drive HARD, that's if you take 1mg ED or EOD, personally I would split it up into 3 or 4 pieces and take each piece EOD, or try nolva first @ 20mg a day.
best of luck.
I have used letro in my previous cycle without any problems. Maybe I switch to nolva.
Thanks guys for all the input.
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I agree with you to a certain point. This is the first time that I'm using GP, but I do trust a guy that send me this product.
I have few friends that are on sustaplex from axio and they are seeing very good results.
Sometimes you'll get good gear sometimes not. Anyway I trust my source. Definitelly waiting on William Llewellyn's book (when it's coming out???)
P.S. 90% of people on this board cannot get/find HG. It's already hard to find really legit UG.
I don't know what to tell you.
Geneza is a shit product.......right up there with IP.
If you have that hard of a time finding HG, I might help you.
Let me know.
Dude, WTF are you talking about? GP's no worse then Axio or Synthrop, ug is ug... I've had great results using GP products since their induction, either you're tripping for no reason or you have some ulterior motives at stake here.
UG is not UG, bro.
That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard.
"Food is food".
"Women are women".
::)
Some UG's are very close to HG in terms of lab equipment and sterility but aren't licensed by the FDA because they intend to keep a profit, thus they'll never be HG nor do they want to be.
The product itself is as close to HG as you'll get without the price.....
GPL was the best Tren I've ever used.......and it was clean.
Geneza is owned by Naps who ruined Axio, watered down products.
Why would you buy anything from that guy?
Geneza is the lab who is getting the worst feedback among the group. (Axio, Synrop, Sciroxx).
Alterior motives?
I use HG for my cycles........because I have money.
I sample UG so I can give some kind of opinion on them, but I have no stake in them.
Geneza, though, is a product I'd never deal with simply because of the guy who owns it and his history in this industry.
If you don't know, you're on the outside looking in.
DIV
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Little update.
So I had some time of from the gym because of the eastern, family, bla bla bla. About 4 days.
Anyway I finally shoot up in my thigh yesterday and today I can't walk, lol.
Yesterday at the gym I felt really good. My bench jumped already by 20 pounds. Just can't wait to start seeing the visual goods.
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So I have figured out that I'll throw in some Clen into the mix. My girl has been using clen at 20mcg ed (.1ml) and her hands were shaking. After a while she stopped using it.
So I'm on it 5 days. I have started at 20mc, 40mcg, 60mcg, 80mcg and today I'll do 100mcg.
To be honest I do not feel it. Does that mean it's not working? I know it's legit because it's from ar-r.
Any comments?
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anyone?
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Some people are more sensitive to stimulants than others. Do you find that if you have a lot of coffee that you get the jitters ? If not, you may be more tolerant. Clen makes my body temp shoot up almost 1.5 degrees and I get real jittery. But that's me...
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Some people are more sensitive to stimulants than others. Do you find that if you have a lot of coffee that you get the jitters ? If not, you may be more tolerant. Clen makes my body temp shoot up almost 1.5 degrees and I get real jittery. But that's me...
Usually otc fat burners make me jittery but right now at 120mcg I do not feel that. Maybe little warmer.
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Also strengh is going way up. I was never able to hit 275 pounds on incline bench for 4 reps. The most I have ever done was 225 for 6 reps.
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Little update.
I have lost 11 pounds and it seems that I didn't loose any muscle. I'm going to the cruise in a week so I have been doing cardio 1 hour a day for last 2 weeks. I have never looked that hard before.
I have one more week until I hit my pct.
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read up on carb loading you might be able to look fuller and still be shreaded
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I'm actually on Waxy Maize. It really seems to work.
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allnatural - on the clen... just cuz yoru not jittery doesnt mean its not working. in fact, technically speaking, clenbuterol does not posess any stimulant qualities...so it should give anybody shakes. but some do, nonetheless.
you have no idea how much clen i can take without feeling any side effects at all. trust me, it works without feeling the sides.
LOL, looks like you've never done legit clen then, but instead a bunch of water pills.
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and why do you think that ? because i dont get jittery? i know 100% my clenbuterol is 100% pure and legit. no guesswork here.
i have taken up to 100mg of bronkaid at once and nto felt anything but a sligth change in mindset and more energy. no jitters or increased heart rate.
stimulants dont make me feel like that.
Not everyone gets sides from it. Although in your case I wonder, and this isn't a slam or anything, if your early use of cocaine has anything to do with the way you react to it.
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Ok, great news!!! I'm 2nd week into PCT and I look better than ever. I'm at 193 pounds right now and very lean.
Very happy. I'm hoping to get some mast, eq and primo from Geneza in near future!!!
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Not everyone gets sides from it. Although in your case I wonder, and this isn't a slam or anything, if your early use of cocaine has anything to do with the way you react to it.
Just like tbombz, I used plenty of "illicit stimulates" back in the day. Clen makes me jittery as fuck. I feel like crap like I'm coming down off of coke. I think past drug use makes my reaction, or at least my ability to handle it, worse than normal. I certainly don't think it prevents me from the sides of Clen.
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some of you guys dont get it that alot of us out here can only get their hands on what you guys call garbage if we can get our hands on anything at all...like in my case i work on the road and mostly at night and i am always going from one job to the next and if im lucky enough to get to the gym (about half of my workouts are done with my little workout program that includes around 400 lb. of weights, a curl bar, an olympic bar, adjustable dumbell handles from ironmaster and adjustable bench from ironmaster) in between working i dont have enough time to find soemone there to get anything from nor do i have the time to be a guinnea pig for sources online so if i were to be lucky enough to come across some gear free or not and possibly good or not i would probably jump on it....if anyone has anything they would like taken off their hands hit me up...