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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on March 27, 2009, 02:54:36 PM
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Great physique.
(http://www.norateen.com/pic/576Gg_mr_world_rob%20Riches.jpg)
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(http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v203/155/65/8142266422/n8142266422_674887_2416.jpg)
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(http://hugeandrippedabs.com/home1_files/expert_rob.png)
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Some people are lucky in the genetic lottery.
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Great physique.
(http://www.norateen.com/pic/576Gg_mr_world_rob%20Riches.jpg)
Hard to argue against those results.
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big beyond belief :o
great skin too
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A thousand times better build than any of the so called "pros".
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Rob with Dexter
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550 Deadlift. Very good Natural.
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All genetics. Lucky guy.
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Should I know who this guy is?
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All genetics. Lucky guy.
Funny how achievers focus on hard work and discipline, whereas non-achievers focus on genetics, luck, conspiracies, etc.
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yeah seems like a good nattie.
Is he some kind of natural champion?
never heard of him
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I've seen Rob in Golds a few times, solid pussy wrecking physique. He's got pretty decent wheels too from what I recall. All the birds in the gym were all over him when he was in there :)
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and what's with the car shows?
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Great Routine
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Great guy, no doubt :D
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btw he just claimed a 550 deadlift never actually did it on the video.
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brutal ::) ::) ::)
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He has a very engaging personality and is quite affable. It is funny that the IFBB has nobody intelligent or well-spoken as Rob Riches. He is entertaining.
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Great Routine
no pop-locking = fail
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Height/weight?
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Rob is a great natural alright. Here's some advice he has posted:
Aim:
To limit carbohydrate intake to prior after first waking, and after exercising.
To consume between 4-6 liters of water a day (plus an additional liter for every hour of exercise)
To consume protein-rich foods during each meal, accompanied by fiber and fresh produce.
Eat plenty of leafy, dark-green veg, to help aid digestion and regulate metabolism
Upon Waking:
Aim to drink 1-liter of water before your first meal or exercise.
Take 5g of L-Glutamine 15-minutes before morning cardio, plus 5g of BCCAs (Branched Chain Ammino Acids)**
Drink a strong black coffee* (sweetener OK), consisting of between 3-5 espressos, plus half a grapefruit. (*See attached caffeine article for further info)
**All supplements mentioned are available on www.robrichesstore.com
Morning Cardio:
Alternate days between HIIT* and moderate-intensity cardiovascular exercise.
Aim to consume an additional 1-liter of water per hour of exercise
*See attached ‘Cardio & Abs’ sheet for further info.
First Meal:
Upon returning from morning cardio, take:
5g of L-Glutamine
5g of BCAA’s
X1 Multivitamin
X2 Norateen Hollywood Body
Option One: Protein Pancake
Mix 6 Egg Whites with ½ cup of oats and ½ cup of soy milk (use flavored soy if preferred). Add 1 sachet of LA Whey. Cook using 2-3 sprays of organic olive oil spray.
Add cinnamon or other spices for extra flavor
Option Two: Fitness Combo
Scramble (or make omelet) 4 egg whites and 2 whole eggs (add veg such as spinach, mushrooms, peppers etc, optional). Grill one slice of whole-grain or rye bread. Add 2 Tbspns of organic cottage cheese. Add ½ avocado. Compliment with bowl of mixed berries (blueberries, raspberries, strawberries)
Second Meal:
Option One: Quick & Easy
If you find you’re on the go, or just do not feel hungry enough to eat another meal even after 3 hours of your first meal, then you should at least try to aim for a Protein shake. Try adding a Tbspn of MCT or coconut oil in with the shake. Compliment with a low-glycemic piece of fruit, such as a Pear or bowl of mixed berries. (You can add a handful of seeds or nuts such as raw almonds or cashews)
Option Two: Chicken & Greens
Note: If unable to prepare on-site, pre-prepare meal the previous night, and take with you.
Butterfly and grill a whole organic chicken breast (flavor with herbs and spices to suit pallet). Steam fresh (or buy frozen, for convenience and often more economic) mixed greens, such as asparagus, broccoli, Pac Choy, kale. Use olive oil or balsamic vinegar to add flavor.
Tip: Drink liquorices tea 10-20 minutes after eating to help aid metabolism and digestion.
Third Meal:
Option One: Mixed Salad With Choice of Protein
Either buy mixed green salad from a local store (ensure its fresh, and should ideally contain romaine lettuce as this contains the most anti-oxidants. Spinach is also a good option to add). Add a handful of mixed seeds (which apart from adding texture, adds protein, and are enriched with omega oils – the good fats). Add a choice of protein, such as grilled chicken breast, lean-turkey patty, fillet of tuna (any type), salmon, or even buffalo and steak are fine too. (Even those these proteins contain higher amounts of fats, they will be fine to consume bearing in mind your carbohydrates are limited throughout the day, and so will help with being a source of energy derived from the extra fat).
Option Two:� Carb-free Tex-Mex.
Ideally prepared the previous night, although you can create a similar meal by going into a local store and buying from the mixed-salad table, and adding meats from the meat counter.
Finely chop one green pepper, one red pepper, one carrot, two sticks of celery, 1/3 cucumber, ½ Avocado, and one large beef tomato (or use several cherry tomatoes). These can either be steamed or boiled, and eaten hot, or left to chill over night. Raw would be the preferred choice. Grill a whole organic chicken breast, flavored with cajun spice. Once cooked, or left to chilled, chop and add to mixed veg.
Tip: If still feeling hungry between meals, try drinking a strong black coffee, (Ensure adequate water is consumed also to compensate for the diuretic effect of coffee). Or diet soda. Snacking on nuts and low-glycemic fruits such as pears, berries and apricots are fine also.
Fourth Meal: (pre-workout)
Option One: Salmon and Steamed Vegetables
An ideal pre-workout meal, as the salmon is both a great source of protein, as well as being high in omega fats, which will help play a vital role towards providing you with energy during your workout, whilst also being thermogenic – helping to burn more fat.
Either grill or shallow fry a fillet using olive or coconut oil, flavoring with spices and herbs. Seasoning with pepper is fine, but try to abstain from adding salt. Steam or microwave several florets of broccoli, cauliflower, several stem-trimmed aspararagus branches, and a cup full of spinach or kale. (Buying pre-cut, frozen vegetables is fine, and often saves time, although just make sure that it contains no corn, as most often do, as corn is high-glycemic, and is bad for the metabolism).
Add several tspns of olive oil or balsamic vinegar over fish and vegetables.
Option Two:� Turkey Mixed Salad.
Also an ideal pre-workout salad, as it will be light enough on your stomach to not hamper your workout, but also provide adequate protein, fats and fiber, to provide you with the energy needed to see you through it.
Start by either using the same make up of salad consisting of leafy greens and nuts or seeds that you purchased earlier in the day from the store, or prepared fresh the previous day. Add ½ an avocado along with a Tbspn of MCT oil (Flax seed or UDO’s oil will be fine also). Add a grilled or baked, turkey patty or breast (approx 140g) flavored with spices and herbs. (You can also substitute the turkey for a tin of tuna, often making it more convenient when away from home, although just make sure that it is tinned in brine and not sunflower oil).
30-minutes after eating, take the following supplements
5g of L-Glutamine
5g of BCAA’s
Suggested dosage of any fat burners or strength enhancers, including L-Carnitine, Fatstripper and Norateen Hollywood Body.
Workout*: (Ideally 60-90 minutes after forth meal)
Be sure to replace all lost fluids during exercise by drinking at least a liter of water in addition to your daily intake of between 4-6 liters.
*See Progressive Cycles Training System
35-minutes after training take the following supplements
5g of L-Glutamine
5g of BCAA’s and/or 5g Aminno’s
X1 Multivitamin
Fifth Meal: (Post-workout)
�Option One:� Late-night Option. (Best if less than 2 hours before sleeping)
If you work out late in the day which means you won’t be consuming your final meal of the day until only a couple of hours before bed, then this would be the best suited option for you.
1 sachet of LA Whey, mixed with ½ soymilk and ½ water, add in a couple of ice cubes and blend in a mixer until think. Drink with one slice of toasted whole grain, or rye bread,� topped with apple slices, 1 tbsn of cottage cheese, and sprinkled with cinnamon. (The mix of simple and complex carbohydrates from the apple and whole grain/rye toast will go towards replenishing glycogen stores over night, stopping you from becoming catabolic after your workout, and the mix of whey protein and slowly digesting protein in the cottage cheese, will give your body the steady release of muscle-repairing amminos needed whilst you sleep).
Option Two: Sustained Release Meal.
Bake or grill approx. 300g of Orange Roughy (Cod will also be fine). Season with spices and herbs. Steam several stems of fresh Kale (or ½ bag of spinach), along with 100g (about 10-12 trimmed, small asparagus stems).Throw in several florets of cauliflower and broccoli. For your carbohydrate source, (which is required after your workout to replenish depleted glycogen stores) either microwave a yam/sweet potato (ensuring that you prick the skin several times with a fork, and wrap it in kitchen towel first), or by baking or boiling it. (Try to aim for a sweet potato or yam, no bigger than the size of your clenched fist).
30-minutes before sleep, take suggested dosage on packaging of ZMAX to protect from catabolism whilst you sleep, along with at least 1-liter of water (between the time from finishing your last meal until you sleep) to ensure you remain well hydrated throughout the night.
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someone has a crush :D
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yeah quite charismatic
bet he pulls alot of ass
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He has a very engaging personality and is quite affable. It is funny that the IFBB has nobody intelligent or well-spoken as Rob Riches. He is entertaining.
His interview with Dextor Jackson = hillarious. You've got this outstanding specimen, that appears to be pretty intelligent interviewing this roided guy with a severe lack of braincells and zero charisma (that actually tries to be arrogant, when he = inferior).
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Funny how achievers focus on hard work and discipline, whereas non-achievers focus on genetics, luck, conspiracies, etc.
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He has good genetics. If he had only average genetics and worked as hard as he did now he would not look that good. That is a fact.
Bodybuilding in 99% genetics. What planet are you living on?
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Bodybuilding in 99% genetics. What planet are you living on?
Hopefully you = making an example, because that was a bit of an overstatement.
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<10% year round bitches
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Hopefully you = making an example, because that was a bit of an overstatement.
Debussey = a good poster
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He has good genetics. If he had only average genetics and worked as hard as he did now he would not look that good. That is a fact.
Bodybuilding in 99% genetics. What planet are you living on?
Again, let a few achievers say, "Well, it's really all genetics. I did nothing for this physique," and I might believe your assertion. You sound like some kid that failed a math test telling the kid that got an A the he "had to have cheated - it's a fact"
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Hopefully you = making an example, because that was a bit of an overstatement.
99% genetics and the rest is hard work and diet...come on, you can't deny that?! :o ???
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Again, let a few achievers say, "Well, it's really all genetics. I did nothing for this physique," and I might believe your assertion. You sound like some kid that failed a math test telling the kid that got an A the he "had to have cheated - it's a fact"
You obviously didn't listen to what I said. I said that an average guy working equally as hard would not achieve the same results. It has nothing to do with achieving or not achieving. Intelligence, body composition, musical ability, language abiliity, etc., all genetic and the rest is the work you put into it.
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99% genetics and the rest is hard work and diet...come on, you can't deny that?! :o ???
66% of all percentages are made up on the spot
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99% genetics and the rest is hard work and diet...come on, you can't deny that?! :o ???
booooooooooooooooolshit
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so he is a "pro" doing THAT ???
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booooooooooooooooolshit
Right; and where would you put genetics then, 50%? ::)
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HT/ WT?
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You obviously didn't listen to what I said. I said that an average guy working equally as hard would not achieve the same results. It has nothing to do with achieving or not achieving. Intelligence, body composition, musical ability, language abiliity, etc., all genetic and the rest is the work you put into it.
I agree, genetics are simply potential until you do something with them. I doubt many people would look like Rob Riches if they had the same regime.
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You obviously didn't listen to what I said. I said that an average guy working equally as hard would not achieve the same results. It has nothing to do with achieving or not achieving. Intelligence, body composition, musical ability, language abiliity, etc., all genetic and the rest is the work you put into it.
It is difficult to take you seriously when you use ridiculous statistics like 99%. I am certain that genetics plays a part, but how do you accurately quantify that part? You sound like one of these losers at the bar who says things like, "90% of these guys are crooked" or "Less than 1% of people in this town make more than I do" when you have no factual basis for such statements.
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Saying genetics is 99% when it comes to achieving musculature and conditioning is rediculous and a defeatist attitude.
How about actually lifting weights and following a diet... fucks sake where do some of you come from.
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(http://www.norateen.com/pic/576Gg_mr_world_rob%20Riches.jpg)
I wish my shoulder tie-in looked like that.
Is that from low bodyfat, lots of lateral delt work, genetics, or a combo?
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I wouldn't say as high as 99%, but mostly genetics nevertheless
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bodyfat
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You obviously didn't listen to what I said. I said that an average guy working equally as hard would not achieve the same results. It has nothing to do with achieving or not achieving. Intelligence, body composition, musical ability, language abiliity, etc., all genetic and the rest is the work you put into it.
yes he has good genetics but everyone has to work hard to get these results.
for example
Layne Norton has much worse genetics in terms of shape and structure but he could probably stand toe to toe with this guy or beat him in a bb competition
so saying it's 99% genetics is just stupid.
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I wish my shoulder tie-in looked like that.
Is that from low bodyfat, lots of lateral delt work, genetics, or a combo?
In this case, genetics. Can't change your muscle shape
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It is difficult to take you seriously when you use ridiculous statistics like 99%. I am certain that genetics plays a part, but how do you accurately quantify that part? You sound like one of these losers at the bar who says things like, "90% of these guys are crooked" or "Less than 1% of people in this town make more than I do" when you have no factual basis for such statements.
99% is clearly not a clearly defined percentage. Quantifying it is simple. Take your average Joe, work him just as hard as this guy with exactly the same routine and principles and I guarantee he won't look as good. Chopin obviously worked hard but do you think for a second that Joe the Fireman working equally as hard as Chopin could come even close to producing results anywhere near those of Chopin? No. Do you think that Bob the Barber, who worked just as hard at physics would rival an Einstein in his accomplishments? No. In my subject there are people who already have their PhDs who read the same pages by Chomsky over and over just to get it. It is all genetics and hard work can be assumed along with that.
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99% is clearly not a clearly defined percentage. Quantifying it is simple. Take your average Joe, work him just as hard as this guy with exactly the same routine and principles and I guarantee he won't look as good. Chopin obviously worked hard but do you think for a second that Joe the Fireman working equally as hard as Chopin could come even close to producing results anywhere near those of Chopin? No. Do you think that Bob the Barber, who worked just as hard at physics would rival an Einstein in his accomplishments? No. In my subject there are people who already have their PhDs who read the same pages by Chomsky over and over just to get it. It is all genetics and hard work can be assumed along with that.
If "quantifying it is simple" then why have you failed to do so with this pamphlet you just composed? You are simply making general statements comparing real achievers to imaginary non-achievers. Comparing real apples to plastic oranges. Go cry yourself to sleep. Again.
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99% genetics and the rest is hard work and diet...come on, you can't deny that?! :o ???
Debussey thinks the 99% thing is a bit of an overstatement for the most part.
Debussey thinks that as in most areas, there is a "threshold" of "genetics/talent" needed to be had in order to have a chance to succeed in the first place. If you're a freaking moron, mongoloid or whatnot, you will not be able to master areas like advanced physics or mathematics, no matter how much you try. But if you are above the "threshold", you can succeed (the further above the threshold you are, the easier it might be to succeed).
If you are one of those unlucky bastards that does not have enough talent to succeed in BB for example, then genetics = 100%, because no amount of work will help you.. But VERY FEW people are so "genetically impaired" that they can't improve their body.
Of course, when you get to the upper-echelon of competitive bodybuilding, the "genetical threshold" becomes higher and higher, and very few people can compete in those upper levels regardless of what they do (thus, genetics = everything for them), but if you take an average of all people BB'ing out there, the "genetical threshold/cutoff/whatever" = not that high (most people don't aspire to be Ronnie..), and a big% of people are "good enough" to have a chance to meet their goals.
If you are "good enough", remember that attaining a muscular and defined body requires getting the body into a certain state of body composition, and except for a chosen few, it does take effort. Muscles and burnt fat won't come by itself. A few % might be super-talented and able to get by without doing shit, but many more can get that nice body if they put in the work.
Again, genetics will still be an important determining factor for the output (results) of the input (work), but to say that it is "99%", given that one is above that "threshold" = an overstatement. Very few % of the people capable of getting into good shape out there get into that shape without the work..
Haha, just like most things in life, the bell curve strikes again 8)
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Guy looks great..result of all 3,genetics,hard training/cardio,and a spot-on diet.
The diet+cardio is the hardest part for those who bitch about others results.
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If "quantifying it is simple" then why have you failed to do so with this pamphlet you just composed? You are simply making general statements comparing real achievers to imaginary non-achievers. Comparing real apples to plastic oranges. Go cry yourself to sleep. Again.
Righttttt...so Nobel Prize winning physicists become that just because they work hard and anyone can do it if they put their mind to it...? That is delusional...
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HT/ WT?
im guessing 5'6'' 160, judging from the dexter interview
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Righttttt...so Nobel Prize winning physicists become that just because they work hard and anyone can do it if they put their mind to it...? That is delusional...
How did they become Nobel Prize winning physicists? I guess you believe 99% of the result is directly attributable to genetics.
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Righttttt...so Nobel Prize winning physicists become that just because they work hard and anyone can do it if they put their mind to it...? That is delusional...
Take a look at Debusseys post above. It's all about what goals you are aspiring to achieve, and the "genetical threshold" needed to have a chance in the first place. Once you are at least "good enough", you can get into the field and get results, the the "better" you are, the more output you can get from your efforts.
At the same time, studies have shown that when you have a bunch of people that are "good enough", the amount of work they put in becomes the most important determining factor. The best in almost any field have put in an enormous amount of work.
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Debussey thinks the 99% thing is a bit of an overstatement for the most part.
Debussey thinks that as in most areas, there is a "threshold" of "genetics/talent" needed to be had in order to have a chance to succeed in the first place. If you're a freaking moron, mongoloid or whatnot, you will not be able to master areas like advanced physics or mathematics, no matter how much you try. But if you are above the "threshold", you can succeed (the further above the threshold you are, the easier it might be to succeed).
If you are one of those unlucky bastards that does not have enough talent to succeed in BB for example, then genetics = 100%, because no amount of work will help you.. But VERY FEW people are so "genetically impaired" that they can't improve their body.
Of course, when you get to the upper-echelon of competitive bodybuilding, the "genetical threshold" becomes higher and higher, and very few people can compete in those upper levels regardless of what they do (thus, genetics = everything for them), but if you take an average of all people BB'ing out there, the "genetical threshold/cutoff/whatever" = not that high (most people don't aspire to be Ronnie..), and a big% of people are "good enough" to have a chance to meet their goals.
If you are "good enough", remember that attaining a muscular and defined body requires getting the body into a certain state of body composition, and except for a chosen few, it does take effort. Muscles and burnt fat won't come by itself. A few % might be super-talented and able to get by without doing shit, but many more can get that nice body if they put in the work.
Again, genetics will still be an important determining factor for the output (results) of the input (work), but to say that it is "99%", given that one is above that "threshold" = an overstatement. Very few % of the people capable of getting into good shape out there get into that shape without the work..
Haha, just like most things in life, the bell curve strikes again 8)
Basically my point.
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Basically my point.
You failed at putting that message across.
Debussey has better genetics than you. ;)
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Basically my point.
No, your point was that almost all achievement (99%) is directly attributable to genetics.
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No, your point was that almost all achievement (99%) is directly attributable to genetics.
Real achievement is. Neither you nor I will ever will the Nobel Prize in physics even if we spend the rest of our lives studying physics. That is a genetic limitation.
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im guessing 5'6'' 160, judging from the dexter interview
5`11 175lbs.
Height: 5'11"
Weight contest: 175lbs
Weight non-contest: 185lbs
Residence: Los Angeles
Birthplace: London, UK
Nationality: British
Years training: 10 Years
(http://buzz.betterbodies.se/sitespecific/buzz/files/2008-02-rob-01.jpg)
(http://buzz.betterbodies.se/sitespecific/buzz/files/2008-02-rob-02.jpg)
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Basically my point.
In a way, but you failed to communicate that different aspirations and fields have different "cutoff's/thresholds". If you're good enough to be competitive, genes won't be 100%. The cutoff for getting in good shape really ain't that high, so for most people, especially those who frequent BB sites, the "genetics = 99%" comment = a bit inaccurate.
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In a way, but you failed to communicate that different aspirations and fields have different "cutoff's/thresholds". If you're good enough to be competitive, genes won't be 100%. The cutoff for getting in good shape really ain't that high, so for most people, especially those who frequent BB sites, the "genetics = 99%" comment = a bit inaccurate.
Looking like that guy=genetically gifted
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Real achievement is. Neither you nor I will ever will the Nobel Prize in physics even if we spend the rest of our lives studying physics. That is a genetic limitation.
You'd be suprised at the cutoff vs. amount of work for several fields. Mozart was redicolusly talented in music, no doubt about it. At the same time, he'd recieved over 3500 hours of musical training from his father before turning 7, and he hit his high point after 15+ years of composing/training.
Bobby Fisher was a genius, yet it took him almost 10 years to get to the top, even though he played chess for 15+ hours/day many days.
There are really no to very few die-hard "naturals" out there (people who almost did no work and still became the absolute best). For people above the "threshold" rate in a given field, the amount of work = the biggest determining factor. Of course, the "cutoff" for some fields = stupifyingly high. The Mr.Olympia for example.
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Real achievement is. Neither you nor I will ever will the Nobel Prize in physics even if we spend the rest of our lives studying physics. That is a genetic limitation.
You are absolutely wrong. I don't know if you ever studied physics, and you don't know if I ever did. Furthermore, you don't know my DNA code any more than I know yours. Your self-imposed fatalism may have robbed the world of another Nobel Prize winning physicist. Maybe you had the right genes for it all along...
Blaming genetics for all you have not just failed to achieve, but apparently not even attempted to achieve...you should become a motivational speaker, assuming you have the right genetics for it.
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Looking like that guy=genetically gifted
such a naive comment. you don't even know how hard this guy has worked for 10 years to achieve this.
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Looking like that guy=genetically gifted
Of course, Debussey never regretted that. But make no mistake, the "cutoff" for where he is = very high.
The thing is that your statement made it look like most BB achievement was 99% genetics, but that = inaccurate since the "genetical cutoff" for getting into real good shape = pretty low, so a lot of people can achieve it, and since it seemed like your statement was directed towards the normal BB-forum guy with a goal of getting muscular w/good abs or something, it = inaccurate.
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5`11 175lbs.
Height: 5'11"
Weight contest: 175lbs
Weight non-contest: 185lbs
Residence: Los Angeles
Birthplace: London, UK
Nationality: British
Years training: 10 Years
(http://buzz.betterbodies.se/sitespecific/buzz/files/2008-02-rob-01.jpg)
(http://buzz.betterbodies.se/sitespecific/buzz/files/2008-02-rob-02.jpg)
dexter is 5'8'' in jordans...It seems unlikely that this guy is 5'11''
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he's gifted in terms of a great frame and good muscle insertions.
Also he's incredibly lucky to have the metabolism to carry that sort of conditioning year round, but he is only 175 pounds in contest shape at 5'11", so it's possible. If he was 5'11" and 220 with that sort of year-round conditioning, we'd be guessing what his cycle was. At a buck seventy-five, it's possible.
has he competed? he looks great in pics, but I'm guessing he'd look very lean onstage at that height and weight.
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You'd be suprised at the cutoff vs. amount of work for several fields. Mozart was redicolusly talented in music, no doubt about it. At the same time, he'd recieved over 3500 hours of musical training from his father before turning 7, and he hit his high point after 15+ years of composing/training.
Bobby Fisher was a genius, yet it took him almost 10 years to get to the top, even though he played chess for 15+ hours/day many days.
There are really no to very few die-hard "naturals" out there (people who almost did no work and still became the absolute best). For people above the "threshold" rate in a given field, the amount of work = the biggest determining factor. Of course, the "cutoff" for some fields = stupifyingly high. The Mr.Olympia for example.
I will never be Noam Chomsky.
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Funny how achievers focus on hard work and discipline, whereas non-achievers focus on genetics, luck, conspiracies, etc.
so true!!!!
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I will never be Noam Chomsky.
That might be so (pretty high "genetical threshold" to be competitive with him), but can still become a great cunniLINGUIST. 8)
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he's gifted in terms of a great frame and good muscle insertions.
Also he's incredibly lucky to have the metabolism to carry that sort of conditioning year round, but he is only 175 pounds in contest shape at 5'11", so it's possible. If he was 5'11" and 220 with that sort of year-round conditioning, we'd be guessing what his cycle was. At a buck seventy-five, it's possible.
has he competed? he looks great in pics, but I'm guessing he'd look very lean onstage at that height and weight.
(http://www.musclemania.com/juniors/rob_riches.jpg)
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That might be so (pretty high "genetical threshold" to be competitive with him), but can still become a great cunniLINGUIST. 8)
I am not bad at that. I think that is more of a practise issue.
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he's gifted in terms of a great frame and good muscle insertions.
Also he's incredibly lucky to have the metabolism to carry that sort of conditioning year round, but he is only 175 pounds in contest shape at 5'11", so it's possible. If he was 5'11" and 220 with that sort of year-round conditioning, we'd be guessing what his cycle was. At a buck seventy-five, it's possible.
has he competed? he looks great in pics, but I'm guessing he'd look very lean onstage at that height and weight.
why do you think if someone is around average weight, theyre not on gear?
im not saying he juiced
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I am not bad at that. I think that is more of a practise issue.
There = also genetics involved here. Some guys have been fucking for 30+ years, yet just don't "get it", just like some people don't have the ability to charm people, regardless of how much they practice. Interpersonal skills = partially genetically determined. But the "threshold ;D hahaha" for becoming a good cunnilinguist = probably not overwhelmingly high.
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musclemania?
kinda raises some doubts to be honest.
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There = also genetics involved here. Some guys have been fucking for 30+ years, yet just don't "get it", just like some people don't have the ability to charm people, regardless of how much they practice. Interpersonal skills = partially genetically determined. But the "threshold ;D hahaha" for becoming a good cunnilinguist = probably not overwhelmingly high.
Sadly, no. :-\
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Deicide: One problem a lot of people have = that they = obsessed with this idea of "genetical determinism", even though they are well above the "genetical cutoff" for succeeding in a field. Since attitudes/beliefs exerts control on behavior, they might be destroying their chances of succeeding because of that belief. Debussey thinks a lot of Getbig posters = reacting on what they perceive to be overdone pessimism on your part, but hey, too each their own :P
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Do we consider drive, tenacity, determination, personality etc... when talking about genetics here?
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BOOOOLSHIT. You don't and can't get shredded that easily natural and still maintain little to no muscle loss. Fuck that. Plus those calling him a pussy destroyer. yeah right. Probably pulls in more male ass than anything. He looks good but also looks like a twink
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Rob is a great natural alright. Here's some advice he has posted:
Aim:
To limit carbohydrate intake to prior after first waking, and after exercising.
To consume between 4-6 liters of water a day (plus an additional liter for every hour of exercise)
To consume protein-rich foods during each meal, accompanied by fiber and fresh produce.
That's excessive...
With that logic, you can be taking in over 8 liters of water per day, where the recommended amount is between 2-3 liters. That's the type of idea that can lead someone to water intoxication and potentially death if they don't divide their fluid intake.
"1"
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Sadly, no. :-\
Remember, there = a difference between "good" and "great". Very few people have the "genetics" to really really get a read on people, and then getting totally into their heads. Master cunnilinguists most often have these traits from birth. Being great in bed ain't just about mechanical stamina..
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Do we consider drive, tenacity, determination, personality etc... when talking about genetics here?
We should do since drive, tenacity, personality in general = partially determined by genetics, partially by life experiences/society/whatnot.
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Deicide: One problem a lot of people have = that they = obsessed with this idea of "genetical determinism", even though they are well above the "genetical cutoff" for succeeding in a field. Since attitudes/beliefs exerts control on behavior, they might be destroying their chances of succeeding because of that belief. Debussey thinks a lot of Getbig posters = reacting on what they perceive to be overdone pessimism on your part, but hey, too each their own :P
I am just realistic, particularly concerning my own limitations.
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I am just realistic, particularly concerning my own limitations.
If you = above the "threshold" in an area, your subjective impression of "realism" will influence your actual results, regardless of accuracy (often, what a person considers their "limitations" = based on references from previous experiences, where they have not been anywhere near putting in enough effort to let their talent shine). There = some interesting research out there on peoples beliefs and their results.
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If you = above the "threshold" in an area, your subjective impression of "realism" will influence your actual results, regardless of accuracy. There = some interesting research out there on peoples beliefs and their results.
Kind of mind over matter I guess... :-\
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Kind of mind over matter I guess... :-\
Debussey thinks you are selling yourself short at times. But who knows who = correct of us? When it all comes to it all, you're responsible for the outcome of your own thoughts and actions.
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(http://www.musclemania.com/juniors/rob_riches.jpg)
If this man is natural, he has some of the best genetics on planet earth. I'd actually chip in $5 for a polygraph on that one lol... that is pro bodybuidler lean.
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If this man is natural, he has some of the best genetics on planet earth. I'd actually chip in $5 for a polygraph on that one lol... that is pro bodybuidler lean.
If he bulked up 30-40lbs in the offseason I'd question it, but it's really not too much leaner than he is day to day anyway imo
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If this man is natural, he has some of the best genetics on planet earth. I'd actually chip in $5 for a polygraph on that one lol... that is pro bodybuidler lean.
He is Lifetime Natural. Check some of the vids I posted.
He is not that lean as far as Naturals are considered.
Check out Alberto Nunez if you wanna see sliced. Here is a pic of Nunez.
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If this man is natural, he has some of the best genetics on planet earth. I'd actually chip in $5 for a polygraph on that one lol... that is pro bodybuidler lean.
You serious about that Rob?
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You serious about that Rob?
What do you think about this guys genetics for being a rapporter?
;D
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What do you think about this guys genetics for being a rapporter?
;D
Hehe. Talented Voice Acting... ;D
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Hehe. Talented Voice Acting... ;D
;D
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Dude looks great, but its hard for mre to take him seriously unless he fucks a couple of grapefruits...... ;D
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What do you think about this guys genetics for being a rapporter?
;D
Fuck, that was hilarious
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If this man is natural, he has some of the best genetics on planet earth. I'd actually chip in $5 for a polygraph on that one lol... that is pro bodybuidler lean.
let's not get carried away here...you're supposed to be big too
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the first pic reminds me of daddywaddy when he was on gear
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I can only come to 2 conclusions
1 he's on winstrol and clen
2 he's the luckiest guy on earth to be able to stay contest-lean 24/7
No one knows for sure
Edit: I looked at those vids, he can easily be natty. zero muscle thickness
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That's excessive...
With that logic, you can be taking in over 8 liters of water per day, where the recommended amount is between 2-3 liters. That's the type of idea that can lead someone to water intoxication and potentially death if they don't divide their fluid intake.
"1"
I think I take around 6 litres a day. Also, I don't drink quite as much coffee as he has recommended
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Deicide is too busy tell him self that he is built for failure to ever succeed ...He need to see the movie Gataca..great movie, very inspirational.
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If he's got anything to do with LA Muscle then he's an idiot. They're a bunch of con artists.
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Dude is awseome great physique.
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If he's got anything to do with LA Muscle then he's an idiot. They're a bunch of con artists.
They make a good protein and give you good publicity though
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I wont rest until I look like this dude
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About as natural as Stavios.....
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About as natural as Stavios.....
I believe Rob is natural...unlike many others
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I believe Rob is natural...unlike many others
If he is.....probably one of the best natural physiques going around.
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Twinky McTwink Twink.
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(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/09/28/16893292/profilepic/2501212orig.jpg)
(http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com//img/user_images/growable/2008/09/28/16893292/progresspic/1953222orig.jpg)
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dreamtan looks awesome
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Rob Riches Bitches!
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(http://www.norateen.com/pic/576Gg_mr_world_rob%20Riches.jpg)
yes.. good build.
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Rob RICHES MOFO!
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1153739283.jpg)
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1153739284.jpg)
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ROB RICHES BITCHERS!
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1155048813.jpg)
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ROB RICHER THAN YOU BITCHES!
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1122051723.jpg)
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1122051727.jpg)
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1122051729.jpg)
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Take a look at Debusseys post above. It's all about what goals you are aspiring to achieve, and the "genetical threshold" needed to have a chance in the first place. Once you are at least "good enough", you can get into the field and get results, the the "better" you are, the more output you can get from your efforts.
At the same time, studies have shown that when you have a bunch of people that are "good enough", the amount of work they put in becomes the most important determining factor. The best in almost any field have put in an enormous amount of work.
anything a person is able to influence.. or control aside - genetics are what will determine results.
genetics.. are everything.
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Rob Riches Bitches!
Who wears a scarf with a short sleeve shirt? Hell, that ain't natural
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very good. this is what bodybuilding should be about.
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very good. this is what bodybuilding should be about.
Agreed
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let's not get carried away here...you're supposed to be big too
i'm fat tho. 15% on a good day :)
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anything a person is able to influence.. or control aside - genetics are what will determine results.
genetics.. are everything.
Genetics are 100% of what you can potentially achieve, but only a few people have pushed themselves anywhere near their full potential in any given field. You cannot honestly say that an individual is more blessed than you unless all of the variables (time, effort, education....) have been the same and yet they are still superior.
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what does he do for a living? it this his career? of so what is "this" exactly ???
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TA how can you be so sure he's natural? I mean I can belive he is but how can you be so sure?
It's not like musclemayhem are known for being a natural org even if they want to portrait themselves as one.
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christ its called blood pressure
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If he's got anything to do with LA Muscle then he's an idiot. They're a bunch of con artists.
QFT
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Rob RICHES MOFO!
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1153739283.jpg)
(http://www.lamuscle.com/img/dynamic/1153739284.jpg)
nice lettuce
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nice lettuce
Are you suggesting that "The Coach" would like to toss this salad?
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Adam....no comment on the supplements he talks about or his diet? I was actually shocked you didn't comment that he doesn't have to be that strict with eating.
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So does Ryan Reynolds have great genetics too? He is smaller, but builds are similar.
(http://media.bigoo.ws/content/image/celebrities_male/celebrities_male_80.jpg)
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i dont know why im bringing this up and i dont know how i know this...last weekend i was watching the show "tought love" on vh1...why i was watching, because its actually an increadbly genious show, but he was on training some stupid chick....and he was juiced up like a money on the sahara desert....sorry guys
this guys IS NOT NATURAL
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all mild anabolics like primobolan anavar stanazolol..
Looks great but not 100% natural
Plus on his site it says that he designed the supplement norateen
which was a anabolic steroid 19-nor andro
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Perfectly possible for him to be natural
How about you guys actually train consistently and diet down the right way? Will you look as good as him? Probably not, but you'd look damn good.
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Plus on his site it says that he designed the supplement norateen
which was a anabolic steroid 19-nor andro
Here is the answer. He uses pro-hormones. (Unless you believe he desgined and sold something he's never tried). He is not natural. people who use prohormones aren't clean anymore.
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Here is the answer. He uses pro-hormones. (Unless you believe he desgined and sold something he's never tried). He is not natural. people who use prohormones aren't clean anymore.
In all actuality, how much impact do you think a 'pro-hormone' had on his development?
There seems to be a grey area between what these 'pro-hormones' actually provide the user. Some say they work just as good as D-Bol tabs, while others will tell you that they wont aid the user in any beneficial way.
I do agree with you statement referring to a pro-hormone user as not being natural though.
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They make a good protein and give you good publicity though
They might give him publicity, but that's not helping the customers. Their customer service is non existent.
I bought one of their fatloss supplements. 3 tubs of 90 tabs each. When I got them, I opened them to transfer them to a different container. They had 80, 81, and 82 tabs in each, so I phoned them up and told them.
The guy said: "Impossible, they're all electronically counted."
Me: "Well they might be, but there's still 27 tabs missing."
Guy: "Well none of our machines make mistakes. Send them back and we'll check them."
Me: "Well they're open now, what are you gonna check for?"
Guy: "You've opened them?"
Me: "Well yeah, otherwise I wouldn't know there were tabs missing?!"
Guy: "Oh well, tough..."
And hanged up on me. I phoned back but got even less response.
Like I said, con artists.
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bump
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Great Routine
Im surprised your not screaming about how his stomach sticks out further than his chest. ???
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They might give him publicity, but that's not helping the customers. Their customer service is non existent.
I bought one of their fatloss supplements. 3 tubs of 90 tabs each. When I got them, I opened them to transfer them to a different container. They had 80, 81, and 82 tabs in each, so I phoned them up and told them.
The guy said: "Impossible, they're all electronically counted."
Me: "Well they might be, but there's still 27 tabs missing."
Guy: "Well none of our machines make mistakes. Send them back and we'll check them."
Me: "Well they're open now, what are you gonna check for?"
Guy: "You've opened them?"
Me: "Well yeah, otherwise I wouldn't know there were tabs missing?!"
Guy: "Oh well, tough..."
And hanged up on me. I phoned back but got even less response.
Like I said, con artists.
Where, in China? LOL
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In all actuality, how much impact do you think a 'pro-hormone' had on his development?
There seems to be a grey area between what these 'pro-hormones' actually provide the user. Some say they work just as good as D-Bol tabs, while others will tell you that they wont aid the user in any beneficial way.
I do agree with you statement referring to a pro-hormone user as not being natural though.
I think it would give him, at minimum, 1% more than he'd be without it. And I've seen several guys in my gym make very good gains on prohormones. They get moonface and acne too, and lots of water, but they do gain muscle.
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I think it would give him, at minimum, 1% more than he'd be without it. And I've seen several guys in my gym make very good gains on prohormones. They get moonface and acne too, and lots of water, but they do gain muscle.
I don't think you've used gear, but that is what happens to most gear users. Not everyone just blows up like a freakshow ala Jay Cutler. Many people will bloat up and get heavier all over, not just get big and ripped like it seems most people believe.
I see no difference between steroids and PH, you take one to have a higher level of sythetic test in your body and the other is steroids ;)
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(http://www.musclemania.com/juniors/rob_riches.jpg)
not a chance on earth this guy is natural - apart from the shredded condition + decent muscle mass, he has huge traps - a dead giveaway for gear use, especially with the conditioning.
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He is NOT natural.
Please......... ::)
Because someone doesn't have som much mass doesn't mean he is "natural".
oh and hes arrogant as fuck too in his video.
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(http://www.musclemania.com/juniors/rob_riches.jpg)
he's an odd looking guy.
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i think maybe he uses Thermoshred and Hydroxycut Hardcore to get into this condition.
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all nice and well but if your a midget your still fucked.
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all nice and well but if your a midget your still fucked.
Mars has finally put it all into perspective!
Hail to thee, great Mars!
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I bet he was one of the first to use plasmopiss
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I bet he was one of the first to use plasmopiss
;D ;D ;D
I don't think you could stack Plazentosis and Nitrotech, that would kill a human in an instant.
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btw, you just have to read it right, we all know that definition of a natural:
I want to make it clear from the beginning that I am a lifetime drug-free athlete, and have never taken any banned substances, including steroids, Growth Hormone or subscription diuretics. Everything I have accomplished is through sheer hard work and a good understanding of the human body and nutrition. The few supplements that I do take can be found within any sports supplement store, as well as on my online store, and are often only used during periods of intense training. Now that that’s clear, here’s how I got to where I am today…
Let's all remember that M1T, Superdrol, 1-Test, Ephedrine, Yohimbine etc have all been legal at one point.
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doesn't look like a juiced to me...
maybe doggcrapp has "talked" to him and he can give us the real scoop
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doesn't look like a juiced to me...
maybe doggcrapp has "talked" to him and he can give us the real scoop
;D ;D ;D
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:D
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:D
:-X ugly, fat, bloated bag of oil
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:-X ugly, fat, bloated bag of oil
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