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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on March 28, 2009, 10:59:22 PM
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HR 875 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c111:1:./temp/~c1112RD9bb:e11439:
This bill is sitting in committee and I am not sure when it is going to hit the floor. One thing I do know is that very few of the Representatives have read it. As usual they will vote on this based on what someone else is saying. Urge your members to read the legislation and ask for opposition to this devastating legislation. Devastating for everyday folks but great for factory farming ops like Monsanto, ADM, Sodexo and Tyson to name a few.
I have no doubt that this legislation was heavily influenced by lobbyists from huge food producers. This legislation is so broad based that technically someone with a little backyard garden could get fined and have their property siezed. It will effect anyone who produces food even if they do not sell but only consume it. It will literally put all independent farmers and food producers out of business due to the huge amounts of money it will take to conform to factory farming methods. If people choose to farm without industry standards such as chemical pesticides and fertilizers they will be subject to a vareity of harassment from this completely new agency that has never before existed. That's right, a whole new government agency is being created just to police food, for our own protection of course.
DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, READ THIS LEGISLATION FOR YOURSELF. The more people who read this legislation the more insight we are going to get and be able to share. Post your observations and insights below. Urge your members to read this legislation and to oppose the passage of this legislation.
Pay special attention to
Section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill-read in it's entirety.
section 103, 206 and 207- read in it's entirety.
Red flags I found and I am sure there are more...........
Legally binds state agriculture depts to enforcing federal guidelines effectively taking away the states power to do anything other than being food police for the federal dept.
Effectively criminalizes organic farming but doesn't actually use the word organic.
Effects anyone growing food even if they are not selling it but consuming it.
Effects anyone producing meat of any kind including wild game.
Legislation is so broad based that every aspect of growing or producing food can be made illegal. There are no specifics which is bizarre considering how long the legislation is.
Section 103 is almost entirely about the administrative aspect of the legislation. It will allow the appointing of officials from the factory farming corporations and lobbyists and classify them as experts and allow them to determine and interpret the legislation. Who do you think they are going to side with?
Section 206 defines what will be considered a food production facility and what will be enforced up all food production facilities. The wording is so broad based that a backyard gardener could be fined and more.
Section 207 requires that the state's agriculture dept act as the food police and enforce the federal requirements. This takes away the states power and is in violation of the 10th amendment.
There are many more but by the time I got this far in the legislation I was so alarmed that I wanted to bring someone's attention to it. (to the one person who reads my blog)
Didn't Stalin nationalize farming methods that enabled his administration to gain control over the food supply? Didn't Stalin use the food to control the people?
Last word...... Legislate religion and enforce gag orders on ministers on what can and can't be said in the pulpit, instituting regulations forcing people to rely soley on the government, control the money and the food. What is that called? It is on the tip of my tongue..........
I haven't read any of the Senate's version of the bill as I have been poring thru the House's version. Here is the link and I hope some of you can take a look and post your observations and insights below. One thing I am pretty sure of is that very few if any Senator's have actually read the legislation and when it comes up for a vote they will more than likely take someone else's word on how they should vote. The other thing I am pretty sure about is that the legislation was probably written by lobbyists and industry experts.
S 425 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:s425:
Things you can do
Contact your members at 202-224-3121 and ask them to oppose HR 875 and S 425. While you are at it ask them if they personally have read the legislation and what their position is? If they have not read the legislation ask them to read it and politely let them know that just because other representitives are not reading the legislation and voting on it does not mean they can do the same.
Get in touch with local farmers and food producers by attending a local farmers market and asking them how business is.
Attend a local WAPF meeting, this is a good start to learning about what is going on in farming and local & state initiatives . The website is http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html
Check out the Farmers Legal Defense Fund at http://www.ftcldf.org/index.html
Find out who sits on your states agriculture and farming committee and contact them with your concerns.
Continue to contact your elected officials and let them know your position on legislation and why.
Get active at the local and state levels, this is the quickest way to initiate change.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671
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I'll tell you what we should do. On certain issues, like card check, cap and trade, etc I can pen a very coherent opposition letter to be sent to our wonderful president and congress.
On issues like these, obviously you know a lot more than many of us.
Why dont we pen letters for the getbig posters and they can tailor thwm and send them to their own reps.????
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I'll tell you what we should do. On certain issues, like card check, cap and trade, etc I can pen a very coherent opposition letter to be sent to our wonderful president and congress.
On issues like these, obviously you know a lot more than many of us.
Why dont we pen letters for the getbig posters and they can tailor thwm and send them to their own reps.????
maybe that's not a bad idea. what do other people think? Would there be an interest in that? Maybe a thread for it?
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I would definitely be interested in that. I pen and call my representatives all the time like you guys, but I'm curious to see if I could see a more well written letter that might be a little more clear.
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Here's a link to the text of the bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875
I don't see anything nefarious. I don't see the things alleged- criminalizing/banning local/organic farming or private homegrowers.
I don't have a problem with this bill.
What every american should have a problem with is the Kosher standard imposed on almost every food item sold across this country. Most people don't know that almost all mass produced food items are Kosher. That witchcraft adds a huge expense to the cost of the food business.
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Here's a link to the text of the bill.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-875
I don't see anything nefarious. I don't see the things alleged- criminalizing/banning local/organic farming or private homegrowers.
I don't have a problem with this bill.
What every american should have a problem with is the Kosher standard imposed on almost every food item sold across this country. Most people don't know that almost all mass produced food items are Kosher. That witchcraft adds a huge expense to the cost of the food business.
you're kidding right?...
Did you see the requirements that will be placed on small/family farms? Please tell me that won't mean many of those going out of business? That's what happened in the EU. Where are the big agri businesses opposing this? This has got to be one of the first times in history that the biggest players of an industry are quiet about the creation of a government agency to police them and hand out huge fines. That they're not saying anything speaks volumes. It will set standards for fertilizer and pesticides, so what does that do to organic farming? bye bye... Now they say they're not targeting the small guys but there is nothing in this bill that leaves the small guy out of the picture. If he's even only taking his small harvest to the farmers market and has a roadside stand near his small farm, by the wording of this bill, he is subject to the same regulation by this new agency that a big agri corporation has to deal with. Now I've been wanting something to be done with food safety for a long time, when I read this bill, I was appalled. This bill is like a homeowner shooting a cannon at a house fly ::) This is absolutely not what is needed to fix the problem, this is clearly what's needed to hook up big agriculture, hence why they're silent. They probably helped write the dang thing.
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you're kidding right?...
Did you see the requirements that will be placed on small/family farms? Please tell me that won't mean many of those going out of business? That's what happened in the EU. Where are the big agri businesses opposing this? This has got to be one of the first times in history that the biggest players of an industry are quiet about the creation of a government agency to police them and hand out huge fines. That they're not saying anything speaks volumes. It will set standards for fertilizer and pesticides, so what does that do to organic farming? bye bye... Now they say they're not targeting the small guys but there is nothing in this bill that leaves the small guy out of the picture. If he's even only taking his small harvest to the farmers market and has a roadside stand near his small farm, by the wording of this bill, he is subject to the same regulation by this new agency that a big agri corporation has to deal with. Now I've been wanting something to be done with food safety for a long time, when I read this bill, I was appalled. This bill is like a homeowner shooting a cannon at a house fly ::) This is absolutely not what is needed to fix the problem, this is clearly what's needed to hook up big agriculture, hence why they're silent. They probably helped write the dang thing.
What are the requirements that will be placed on family farms? I see that record keeping would likely increase. Is that an unbearable burden? probably not.
Are you saying that the bill would require certified organic farmers to use pesticides and fertilizers? I don't see that.
I do see whistleblower protection - that's pro consumer.
I also see slaughterhouses taken to task. That's good.
Who knows what the final version of the bill will look like.