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Was there really much difference? In 95 they gave him 8th, and in 98 they gave him 2nd. Can you tell which one looks better?
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Can't tell from just two photos.
But man oh man, he had the ideal.
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98' = Bigger/Fuller. His 98' Arnold Classic Shape was his best !!!!!!
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Was there really much difference? In 95 they gave him 8th, and in 98 they gave him 2nd. Can you tell which one looks better?
He was much bigger and fuller in 98, with better sweeps and density. Doesn't show in those pics, but in 95, he'd just bounced back from the auto accident and you could tell he was far from his 'normal' shape. Nearly got beaten by guys like Aaron baker in the spring shows and of course, placed 2nd to Mike Francois in the AC. By the Olympia, he was no better. In 98, he was only lacking in conditioning (the last 2 - 3%), but had a lot more size and density that made him look a lot bigger and better.
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and biceps in 98 looks more oiled
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3 years in the g4p trenches with all that sperm flying everywhere takes its toll. his skin looks a lot more dried out in the second photo.
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Was there really much difference? In 95 they gave him 8th, and in 98 they gave him 2nd. Can you tell which one looks better?
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He now has less hair.
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i didnt know will smith was a bodybuilder known as flex wheeler back in 1995 :)
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lot more oil in 98
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more biceps :o
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Interesting post Bobs. You are an astute and keen observer. There may be slight differences in conditioning but not enough to warrant such vast differences in placings.
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He was much bigger and fuller in 98, with better sweeps and density. Doesn't show in those pics, but in 95, he'd just bounced back from the auto accident and you could tell he was far from his 'normal' shape. Nearly got beaten by guys like Aaron baker in the spring shows and of course, placed 2nd to Mike Francois in the AC. By the Olympia, he was no better. In 98, he was only lacking in conditioning (the last 2 - 3%), but had a lot more size and density that made him look a lot bigger and better.
He looks a bit bigger, and also has a bigger waist, in 98. Overall I don't see much difference, and I think if (hypothetically speaking) no one knew of his accident earlier in the 90's they would also feel that the difference in 95 vs. 98 was not much at all.
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Placings from year to year don't mean much since there are many variables that change.
He was clearly more cut in '98, it's as plain as day. Also bigger. Those pics don't show that he had a bigger waist, they're at different angles.
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I am of the opinion that the 96 NOC was his best show- even better than 93 ASC. That was a very underrated show. Ronnie was in spectacular shape too
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:o
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Still one of the great's who never won the O!!!
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Was there really much difference? In 95 they gave him 8th, and in 98 they gave him 2nd. Can you tell which one looks better?
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the difference is that in 95 they placed him right while in 98 they gave him a big gift!!..
before mr. o. 98 and after dorian's retirment flex showed a very good shape at the AC and the Ironman and was pointed at as the next mr. olympia.. everybody was preparing himslef to accept flex to be mr. olympia.. so when he came clearly off the judges were affected by the propaganda before the show and placed him 2nd ahead of some clearly better guys like the wizard of truth and levrone..
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Sans Hair...
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Still one of the great's who never won the O!!!
Nice to have you here, Flex. :)
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Was there really much difference? In 95 they gave him 8th, and in 98 they gave him 2nd. Can you tell which one looks better?
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There is a huge difference and the fact you can't see this explains why you think Nasser was shafted
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There is a huge difference and the fact you can't see this explains why you think Nasser was shafted
Have you got any scans of the spring shows from 1995, ND? Aaron Baker looked amazing in the Ironman and could have easily beaten Flex, although it was pretty close and Flex winning wasn't that shocking either. And do you think Aaron B could beat Kai Greene? They are both of similar height and weight and IMO, Aaron had a much better shape, although Kai does have him in the lower back and hams.
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Have you got any scans of the spring shows from 1995, ND? Aaron Baker looked amazing in the Ironman and could have easily beaten Flex, although it was pretty close and Flex winning wasn't that shocking either. And do you think Aaron B could beat Kai Greene? They are both of similar height and weight and IMO, Aaron had a much better shape, although Kai does have him in the lower back and hams.
aron baker was one of the most underrated bbs of all times.. in 1994 i couldn't understand how to place a guy like potral cotrel 5th and place aron out of the top ten!!..
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aron baker was one of the most underrated bbs of all times.. in 1994 i couldn't understand how to place a guy like potral cotrel 5th and place aron out of the top ten!!..
I think his joining the WBF might have negatively impacted his placings in the IFBB when he came back, although most of the times he placed low was because he could never nail his conditioning. He was always holding water, but looked awesome nonetheless cause he was huge and had tiny joints and round, full muscle bellies. Reason Porter placed high was because he always his conditioning was always top-notch.
Aaron did place in the top 6 in a lot of shows from 94 - 96, but other than the spring shows of 95, he wasn't very conditioned in most of his appearances and that was a time when the level of competition was very high / highest in the IFBB.
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I think his joining the WBF might have negatively impacted his placings in the IFBB when he came back, although most of the times he placed low was because he could never nail his conditioning. He was always holding water, but looked awesome nonetheless cause he was huge and had tiny joints and round, full muscle bellies. Reason Porter placed high was because he always his conditioning was always top-notch.
Aaron did place in the top 6 in a lot of shows from 94 - 96, but other than the spring shows of 95, he wasn't very conditioned in most of his appearances and that was a time when the level of competition was very high / highest in the IFBB.
potral's condition was good but he was narrow and his triceps were weak.. he seemed to be a nice guy but i belive he didn't deserved to be 5th in 94.. chris cormier was much better and came in 6th!!.
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potral's condition was good but he was narrow and his triceps were weak.. he seemed to be a nice guy but i belive he didn't deserved to be 5th in 94.. chris cormier was much better and came in 6th!!.
Yeah, I was never a fan of Porter either. We were talking about him placing over guys like Aaron, which is why I mentioned his conditioning, which was the only reason he placed so high. And the 94 Mr Olympia wasn't judged very well - Chris Cormier's placing was actually higher than he deserved cause he was very smooth (Mike Quinn later said he was as smooth as a baby's ass, lol), while Aaron Baker and Roland Cziurlock got the shaft big time. They both should have placed higher based on their shape and conditioning.
BTW, there's an old rumor in Getbig that GH15 is in fact, Roland Cziurlock.
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Yeah, I was never a fan of Porter either. We were talking about him placing over guys like Aaron, which is why I mentioned his conditioning, which was the only reason he placed so high. And the 94 Mr Olympia wasn't judged very well - Chris Cormier's placing was actually higher than he deserved cause he was very smooth (Mike Quinn later said he was as smooth as a baby's ass, lol), while Aaron Baker and Roland Cziurlock got the shaft big time. They both should have placed higher based on their shape and conditioning.
BTW, there's an old rumor in Getbig that GH15 is in fact, Roland Cziurlock.
yaaaaaaaaaa this Roland Cziurlock had one of the best most masculars ever.. he had great shoulders and thick sharp chest with overall good balanced body.. i don't know why he was so underrated..
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Obvious difference in skin touch.
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hes bigger and in better condition in 1998
That much is obvious
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He has two earings in 98.
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(http://www.flexwheeler.org/pictures/flex-wheeler-2.jpg)(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/flex-wheeler.jpg)
second pic is the best I've ever seen on a bb stage regardless
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(http://mlap.hu/users/arnoldgold/uploads/Flex_Wheeler-Serge_Nubret.jpg)
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Was there really much difference? In 95 they gave him 8th, and in 98 they gave him 2nd. Can you tell which one looks better?
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=23951&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=3609ce577f06b7a8f784749cb27fae0c)
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In 98 his oil-filled arms were twice the size of his legs. His legs were always so small. Very cut, but small. This is part of the reason he got destroyed next to Ronnie most of the time. IMO.
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(http://www.flexwheeler.org/pictures/flex-wheeler-2.jpg)(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/flex-wheeler.jpg)
second pic is the best I've ever seen on a bb stage regardless
In the first offseason pic, Flex is no higher than 8-9% bf, yet his face looks 20% bf, why this happens to bodybuilders?
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In the first offseason pic, Flex is no higher than 8-9% bf, yet his face looks 20% bf, why this happens to bodybuilders?
It's called drugs dipshit, you know the stuff these guys take to get to the size they are. What's next, Why do they have backne? What happened to their balls? Why does he have moobs despite being ripped?
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but he still looks better with hair
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It's called drugs dipshit, you know the stuff these guys take to get to the size they are. What's next, Why do they have backne? What happened to their balls? Why does he have moobs despite being ripped?
shut up asshole. your wet-dream Cormier took these too. fucking tool
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shut up asshole. your wet-dream Cormier took these too. fucking tool
I am not the retard asking self explanatory questions. I feel sorry for your teachers when you were a kid. Why do I feel full after I eat? Why does drinking water take away my thirst? When I touch myself my wiener gets hard, why is this? WTF unless you are looking for an all out scientific explanation regarding the physiology of humans and the biological effects "BBing" drugs have on them you're a moron.
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I am not the retard asking self explanatory questions. I feel sorry for your teachers when you were a kid. Why do I feel full after I eat? Why does drinking water take away my thirst? When I touch myself my wiener gets hard, why is this? WTF unless you are looking for an all out scientific explanation regarding the physiology of humans and the biological effects "BBing" drugs have on them you're a moron.
ok youre a genius then.
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ok youre a genius then.
No not even close but I think before I post (most of the time) and I don't ask retarded questions. It's not like I have anything against you personally but you are just the guy that stands out with posts that make you wonder if you really just read what you read.
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No not even close but I think before I post (most of the time) and I don't ask retarded questions. It's not like I have anything against you personally but you are just the guy that stands out with posts that make you wonder if you really just read what you read.
well just dont read my posts then, or dont reply. Its no big deal.
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well just dont read my posts then, or dont reply. Its no big deal.
Kinda hard to go out of your way to not read a post, i don't look at the name and then the post, I just read them all (hence why i am not one of the fags to make a point/comment which was already made) when one catches my eye and calls for a response it just tends to be from the same few posters. Not my fault some of you douches fill this site with wastefull posts, I just waste some more posts trying to get you guys to stop posting the crap.
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Kinda hard to go out of your way to not read a post, i don't look at the name and then the post, I just read them all (hence why i am not one of the fags to make a point/comment which was already made) when one catches my eye and calls for a response it just tends to be from the same few posters. Not my fault some of you douches fill this site with wastefull posts, I just waste some more posts trying to get you guys to stop posting the crap.
so you only make quality posts?
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so you only make quality posts?
This is what I am talking about, what kind of dipshit are you, I said in my last post that I make wasteful posts mostly in an attempt to call out down syndrome douches like yourself. My god I see there is no hope for you, your cognitive skills are lacking with even that of a 2nd grader.
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This is what I am talking about, what kind of dipshit are you, I said in my last post that I make wasteful posts mostly in an attempt to call out down syndrome douches like yourself. My god I see there is no hope for you, your cognitive skills are lacking with even that of a 2nd grader.
Calm down titboy. Its only the internet ::)
You are a shitalker, no wonder you look like an asshole with down syndrome.
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Im looking forward for your post jockstrap.
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Calm down titboy. Its only the internet ::)
You are a shitalker, no wonder you look like an asshole with down syndrome.
Oh god so desperate now that you have to dig up photos from what like 3 yrs ago or so. Posted pics so I wouldn't be an anonymous shit talker. Regardless nice comeback after someone calls you out for being a total retard, next time why don't you bash me for being locked up as a teen or make fun of the fact my parents are divorced.
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Oh god so desperate now that you have to dig up photos from what like 3 yrs ago or so. Posted pics so I wouldn't be an anonymous shit talker. Regardless nice comeback after someone calls you out for being a total retard, next time why don't you bash me for being locked up as a teen or make fun of the fact my parents are divorced.
You like "calling out" people judging by their posts, and being locked as a teenager probably did nothing but good to you. retards are being locked up. wake up
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You like "calling out" people judging by their posts, and being locked as a teenager probably did nothing but good to you. retards are being locked up. wake up
If you call calling out somone for posting moroinc post "judging" then you are right but it's not my fault you lack basic commication skills and the ability to make a valid point without making a total ass of yourself. Never went out of my way to attack you personally just a few of your dumber posts, but you follow it up with a lame attempt at a personal attack, that's a sign that you lost and have no comeback. now lets just drop it and maybe this thread will eventually get back on topic.
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lmao @ mikethemachine and meso_z. Now now, kids :)
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Mikethatmachine looking like a beast, good foundation
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If you call calling out somone for posting moroinc post "judging" then you are right but it's not my fault you lack basic commication skills and the ability to make a valid point without making a total ass of yourself. Never went out of my way to attack you personally just a few of your dumber posts, but you follow it up with a lame attempt at a personal attack, that's a sign that you lost and have no comeback. now lets just drop it and maybe this thread will eventually get back on topic.
See?
Its you who cant see the obvious and being the first to make an attack.
Even a retard would notice that English is not my mother language so that explains the "lack of basic commication skills and the ability to make a valid point without making a total ass of myself" thing.
Next time think twice before "calling one out". I hope i made myself clear.
I end this here
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Mikethatmachine looking like a beast, good foundation
HAHAHAHA It got alot better before it got worse, I really need to get back in shape. Honestly though I can't see the pics cause I am posting from my PS3 with it's inferior browser but I do remember what the bad ones looked like and I hope I still top that as of now.
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Calm down titboy. Its only the internet ::)
You are a shitalker, no wonder you look like an asshole with down syndrome.
lol so this is the mighty 16 year old aspiring juvenile deliquent "mikethedipshit" hahahaha completely underwhelming! A 5'5" squirt with gyno..no wonder he's filled with resentment and is a walking time-bomb. ;)
You are a shitalker, no wonder you look like an asshole with down syndrome.
You nailed it. Classic little-guy complex.
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knowing when to quit : PRICELESS
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Was there really much difference? In 95 they gave him 8th, and in 98 they gave him 2nd. Can you tell which one looks better?
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=23951&g2_serialNumber=4&g2_GALLERYSID=3609ce577f06b7a8f784749cb27fae0c)
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His condition is better in the first pic. He is drier anyway, and you can't see his pretend calves!
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His condition is better in the first pic. He is drier anyway, and you can't see his pretend calves!
First pic is 95 where he placed 8th :-\
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His condition is better in the first pic. He is drier anyway, and you can't see his pretend calves!
lmfao he's drier in the first pic
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lmfao he's drier in the first pic
No one ever accused this genius of good judgement. He's not drier in the first pic lol
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hey Mike .... what did you think of Flex in person .. ?
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No one ever accused this genius of good judgement. He's not drier in the first pic lol
no shit he isn't moron , hence the lmfao ::) see backfire stalker
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Yeah, I was never a fan of Porter either. We were talking about him placing over guys like Aaron, which is why I mentioned his conditioning, which was the only reason he placed so high. And the 94 Mr Olympia wasn't judged very well - Chris Cormier's placing was actually higher than he deserved cause he was very smooth (Mike Quinn later said he was as smooth as a baby's ass, lol), while Aaron Baker and Roland Cziurlock got the shaft big time. They both should have placed higher based on their shape and conditioning.
BTW, there's an old rumor in Getbig that GH15 is in fact, Roland Cziurlock.
he also said John Sherman had the skin of elephant (it was thick). I think he was just mad that 5'4 version of Brian Buchanan was placing ahead of him.
Chris Cormier often came in at 235 pounds back in the day. It wasn't until the late 90's that he got his conditioning spot on and won 5 Ironmans, plus being the infamous 6 time 2nd placer in the Arnold Classic. In which 2 times he should have beaten Jay Cutler. Musclemag said Cutler had a better back!! ::)
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hey Mike .... what did you think of Flex in person .. ?
back then.....honestly
cocky,arrogant......full of himself
(im sure he has mellowed out with time/marriage/fatherhood)
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back then.....honestly
cocky,arrogant......full of himself
(im sure he has mellowed out with time/marriage/fatherhood)
I got that ..I meant physique wise .. what was you impression standing next to him
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back then.....honestly
cocky,arrogant......full of himself
(im sure he has mellowed out with time/marriage/fatherhood)
Sure signs of insecurity...Or would you any of us be the same way, if we looked like Flex?
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I got that ..I meant physique wise .. what was you impression standing next to him
Physique wise.................... ..just crazy insane! (one of the all-time best IMO)
Just had that round (full-roundness) that i had never seen before (and his back was sick! ...soo much detail)
crazy huge ass arms
i thought his thighs were a little "light" (very cut/detailed but not very massive or having the greatest sweep to them)
looked (to me) like a cartoon super-hero come to life
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First pic is 95 where he placed 8th :-\
you think Flex is drier in the first pic? :-\
Its called "lighting".
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he also said John Sherman had the skin of elephant (it was thick). I think he was just mad that 5'4 version of Brian Buchanan was placing ahead of him.
Chris Cormier often came in at 235 pounds back in the day. It wasn't until the late 90's that he got his conditioning spot on and won 5 Ironmans, plus being the infamous 6 time 2nd placer in the Arnold Classic. In which 2 times he should have beaten Jay Cutler. Musclemag said Cutler had a better back!! ::)
i think the 2003 or 4 Arnold was the last BBing contest i watched, Cutler winning that show turned me off to the sport
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Physique wise.................... ..just crazy insane! (one of the all-time best IMO)
Just had that round (full-roundness) that i had never seen before (and his back was sick! ...soo much detail)
crazy huge ass arms
i thought his thighs were a little "light" (very cut/detailed but not very massive or having the greatest sweep to them)
looked (to me) like a cartoon super-hero come to life
Mike the same wide dudes in the background where Flex is doing Bicep shots, they were same guys in Flex Wheeler's "Hardbody" video, that were hundled together in wide eyed disbeleif when he was training chest.
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Mike the same wide dudes in the background where Flex is doing Bicep shots, they were same guys in Flex Wheeler's "Hardbody" video, that were hundled together in wide eyed disbeleif when he was training chest.
Yea.................at his peak/prime Flex didn't look human
i don't think we will see another Flex Wheeler in this lifetime (he was that good/great)
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lmfao he's drier in the first pic
My thoughts exactly. lol
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Have you got any scans of the spring shows from 1995, ND? Aaron Baker looked amazing in the Ironman and could have easily beaten Flex, although it was pretty close and Flex winning wasn't that shocking either. And do you think Aaron B could beat Kai Greene? They are both of similar height and weight and IMO, Aaron had a much better shape, although Kai does have him in the lower back and hams.
Bump for ND's answer
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Bump for ND's answer
Flex won B- cuz he never went to the WBF.
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Flex won B- cuz he never went to the WBF.
Possibly. I am more interested in ND's (and others') opinion on whether or not Aaron Baker could beat Kai Green, given they both have a similar height and weight.
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Flex Wheeler 1995 vs. 1998?????? I don't know, I'd have to say the year he beat up the ninjas.
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Flex Wheeler 1995 vs. 1998?????? I don't know, I'd have to say the year he beat up the ninjas.
that was 94
he looks much bigger and drier at 98
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that was 94
he looks much bigger and drier at 98
No, 1994 was the year that the Ninjas took control of his Mercedes and cause him to crash and break his neck. After spending months in the hospital, he vowed to kill those Ninjas. The Ninjas in 1997 found out that Flex did not die in said car crash, due to his insane genetics (genetics fitted for surviving car crashes. It was in 1997 that they came in the dead of night on a lonely road to finish the job.
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No, 1994 was the year that the Ninjas took control of his Mercedes and cause him to crash and break his neck. After spending months in the hospital, he vowed to kill those Ninjas. The Ninjas in 1997 found out that Flex did not die in said car crash, due to his insane genetics (genetics fitted for surviving car crashes. It was in 1997 that they came in the dead of night on a lonely road to finish the job.
Not to sound like Lederman on Mr Woodcock, but none of this was in Flex's book.
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Flex Wheeler 1995 vs. 1998?????? I don't know, I'd have to say the year he beat up the ninjas.
hahah
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lmfao he's drier in the first pic
Once you see past the synthol and posing oil in the second pic you can see he has less separation in legs, arms, chest, everywhere.
'98 looks like a big Valentino-esque joke, can't anyone else see this?