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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: The True Adonis on April 07, 2009, 09:16:30 PM
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http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf
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This is pretty sickening stuff in that Medical Doctors were even assisting.
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why torture people?
they have drugs so strong, there is no need for that
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I can`t even imagine what type of monsters are being paid to carry this out.
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Abortion and reading your posts is a million time worse than that. Here's an example. If something happend to a family member and people knew about it and didn't tell me, you can bet your ass the torture I would induce would make that seem like a day in park. Get it?
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Abortion and reading your posts is a million time worse than that. Here's an example. If something happend to a family member and people knew about it and didn't tell me, you can bet your ass the torture I would induce would make that seem like a day in park. Get it?
You have proven yourself a sick human being if you can physically torture another human being. Only the sickest of the sickest humans could actually consider it and here you are ready to comply. You are a low form of human scum.
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plenty of torture taking place in American prisons against Americans, once thats taken care of we should look into the torture of those who would like to see us all die, then again that doesnt make too good of a news story since the CIA is not involved in those
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lol coincidentally im making a cartoon for the paper right now about the subject.
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ok its bad, but what you gana do about it?
Oh, thats right, NOTHING.
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You have proven yourself a sick human being if you can physically torture another human being. Only the sickest of the sickest humans could actually consider it and here you are ready to comply. You are a low form of human scum.
I'm with you on this one TA.
Coach, you really should try to broden your horizons.
What if it was your family that got "the royal treatment" by someone, (like the government perhaps) who did it in the interest of the "common good". And what if your family were innocent to the accusations? You do know that innocent people get tortured?
Coach, I'm not sure if you're a Christian (don't get me started on that...), I remember reading it somewhere. If you are, you sure got some interesting views. :)
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Prolonged stress by standing and nudity? Sleep deprivation? Exposure to cold temperature/cold water? Restricted solid food?
Torture? Just a typical day of Navy Seal training. I thought you meant Hanoi Hilton type stuff? Or even mafia breaking of knee caps and cutting off fingers and ears? Remember the testimony of the woman in a North Korean prison where the cell was so small she couldn't even stand? She spent her hours staring at her shithole hoping that a rat would pop it's head out so she could catch it and eat it. Then there's Saddam's rape rooms and torture chambers where your balls are electrocuted and tongues and limbs are cut out.
We "Americanos" better toughen up if we hope to win a war against people who can live in cages and eat scorpions.
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Some sick bastards in this world...
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Coach should really stick to training advises and Bbing discussions in general. On other topics, he just sounds like a lunatic with an IQ in the mid 30's.
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can you paste some of the text in this thread?
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I can`t even imagine what type of monsters are being paid to carry this out.
True, it's sick alright
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Abortion and reading your posts is a million time worse than that. Here's an example. If something happend to a family member and people knew about it and didn't tell me, you can bet your ass the torture I would induce would make that seem like a day in park. Get it?
the problem with allowing torture to be used is that for all the noble ideals that might be behind its first uses when legalized, like fighting terroists, finding pedos etc is that soon enough people will be being tortured for stealing bread, being part of teh wrong political party etc,,,
its a fine line to cross and once its done legally and openly this country will never be the same, we'll be no different than the former Soviets or the Chinese.
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when even the superpower of morality doesnt comply to the geneva conventions anymore, how can we as the "civilised" ones blame the so called roque states for their human right violations?
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the problem with allowing torture to be used is that for all the noble ideals that might be behind its first uses when legalized, like fighting terroists, finding pedos etc is that soon enough people will be being tortured for stealing bread, being part of teh wrong political party etc,,,
its a fine line to cross and once its done legally and openly this country will never be the same, we'll be no different than the former Soviets or the Chinese.
Spot on.
Censorship , torture ... have NO place in a modern democratic society.
Freedom stands above security.
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when even the superpower of morality doesnt comply to the geneva conventions anymore, how can we as the "civilised" ones blame the so called roque states for their human right violations?
the geneva conventions will never last------they have been around for only a blink of an eye in terms of human warring
it is our nature to war and with more people than ever on the planet and resources becoming tighter than ever, people will do what comes instinctively, kill.
maybe our great drive to kill and war with each other is some general trigger of the collective human consciousness to control the population from spiralling out of control and destroying us all.
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Spot on.
Censorship , torture ... have NO place in a modern democratic society.
Freedom stands above security.
you my friend are a true American unlike Coach------------he would rather all of us stuffed into little white rooms with straight jackets on so that we can be assured we are "SAFE"
are civil liberties are being eroded by the fear driven propaganda of the American media
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I can`t even imagine what type of monsters are being paid to carry this out.
Grow up, Adam.
"And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall."
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http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf
Thats nothing compared to what was done to our men in vietnam and korea.
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They cut off peoples heads and broadcast it on the internet, bomb our buildings hee and abroad.
Cut off communication from outside world. Who cares, do you think Our govt would lock up someone
that wasn't holding a rockct launcher.or maching gun.
Adonis, you live in an imperfect world my friend. You may wish to get a job and travel a bit.
If you don't like it here, I'm sure pakistan will have you! I'd even buy you a one way ticket you
clown.
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HOW DOES IT LOOK WHEN LINED UP NEXT TO BEING BURNED ALIVE BY JET FUEL?
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"Prolonged nudity.
Prolonged use of handcuffs and shackles.
Forced Shaving."
Sounds like a good time to me..... ;D
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"Prolonged nudity.
Prolonged use of handcuffs and shackles.
Forced Shaving."
Sounds like a good time to me..... ;D
;D
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"Prolonged nudity.
Prolonged use of handcuffs and shackles.
Forced Shaving."
Sounds like a good time to me..... ;D
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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Fuck em if they can't take a joke.
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Ahh yes, because it's much worse than all the torture chambers in the basements of mosques they found in Iraq, where the blood soaked walls, bloody swords, electrical equipment and mass graves full of bodies showing extreme torture pale in comparison to depriving someone of sleep. Nevermind the dozens of beheading videos, execution videos, killings of women and children in massive car bombings, etc.
I can only imagine the responses we would get if we started posting videos of US soldiers beheading terrorists on the internet. ::)
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Hey TA...who friggen cares...do u know them. These people want u and ur way of life to dissappeare. Forget em..human waste.
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None were Americans, so WHO CARES??
Compare to where they come from, Guantanamo must have seem like heaven without the 72 virgins.
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Ahh yes, because it's much worse than all the torture chambers in the basements of mosques they found in Iraq, where the blood soaked walls, bloody swords, electrical equipment and mass graves full of bodies showing extreme torture pale in comparison to depriving someone of sleep. Nevermind the dozens of beheading videos, execution videos, killings of women and children in massive car bombings, etc.
I can only imagine the responses we would get if we started posting videos of US soldiers beheading terrorists on the internet. ::)
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Oh, and 2006 called.
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Grow up, Adam.
"And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall."
What happened in that movie again? Oh yeah, Nicholson was arrested for the torture he ordered.
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Yeah except that was our guy and it was a movie. Pvt Santiago wasn't detonating a nuke in Chicago. He wanted to get home to his Milfy aunt.
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Yeah except that was our guy and it was a movie. Pvt Santiago wasn't detonating a nuke in Chicago. He wanted to get home to his Milfy aunt.
Torture doesn't work. It makes no sense.
Torture doesn't work
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1114/p09s01-coop.html
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You have proven yourself a sick human being if you can physically torture another human being. Only the sickest of the sickest humans could actually consider it and here you are ready to comply. You are a low form of human scum.
You're an idiot TA, whats worse, a little water and having people THINK they are drowning or cop in anywhere, USA using a 50,000 volt taser to take someone down? There's been a hell of alot more deaths by doing that than by "waterboarding".
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This is pretty sickening stuff in that Medical Doctors were even assisting.
They are there to make sure that the person does not get hurt.
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What happened in that movie again? Oh yeah, Nicholson was arrested for the torture he ordered.
Warm, fuzzy Hollywood. Predictable.
Seems Jessup had neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom he provided, while questioning the manner in which he provided it. Too sensible for a jury, turns out. Unfortunate.
Also, he was distracted by the faggoty whites.
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Warm, fuzzy Hollywood. Predictable.
Seems Jessup had neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom he provided, while questioning the manner in which he provided it. Too sensible for a jury, turns out. Unfortunate.
Also, he was distracted by the faggoty whites.
The case didn't go to jury in the movie. Nicholson was arrested on the spot after he stated that he ordered the torture - Code Red.
The end of that movie was sickening. I think the play ends that way too. Too fucking neat and too feel good.
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"Torture" is a term that is applied to almost anything that causes someone discomfort. My trash collegtors tortured me this morning by making me get out of bed...
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The case didn't go to jury in the movie. Nicholson was arrested on the spot after he stated that he ordered the torture - Code Red.
The end of that movie was sickening. I think the play ends that way too. Too fucking neat and too feel good.
Yeah, you're right. I'm embarrassed to admit I despised Jessup when I first saw it years ago, and thought he got what he deserved. He makes much more sense now.
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The ends always justify the means. When China, Cuba, the entire middle east and Africa, all of South America, North Korea, Russia and England stop torturing political dissidents, I'll shed a tear for a bunch of cockroach terrorist maniacs. When the Geneva conventions apply to all countries equally, I'll be the first one calling for Bush's head on a platter. Everyone wants security, but nobody wants to know how it is earned.
It's kind of like this- If everyone had to kill their own food, 90% of the population would become vegetarians. Fortunately, I dont know and I don't care how or under what circumstances my filet mingnon that used to be a cow was "killed".
Drop the holier than thou act or join the fucking peace corps and shut up.
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Enemy combatants are not covered by the Geneva convention. Terrorist are not covered by the Geneva convention.
Think torture doesn't work? Know anything about the Yakuza? Mexican mafia? Saudi Arabia? Saddam Hussein?
"Show me where the papers are?" As I start to snip off your fingers an ears. And if you're a real tough guy I wheel in you nude 11 year old daughter as two huge black men stand on each side of her.
And maybe I'll keep your whole family with me just to make sure you're not lying. That's life under Communism. That's life under Fidel Castro. That's how people tremble in fear and do anything you say.
TA is your typical American bashing, pompous, snob who truly believes, in his heart of hearts, that he is smarter than you and better than you. He craps on the very culture that allows him to eat his goat cheese pizza and fancy pastries with berries that he and the lovely Jeezebel picked with "their own hands." All the while bashing solid Americans like Coach and referring to our solders -- the very people who allow him to live his cushy, self-indulgent life style -- as mindless robots who have been brain washed by the American right.
Instead of reading American hating traitors like Noam Chomsky read little about Tecumseh Sherman and how wars should be fought.
And learn to fight you spoiled, pampered, skinny fag!
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TA is just jealous that his gay S&M fantasies are rewarded to terrorists for free while he need to go and pay his local guy to do it to him.
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Enemy combatants are not covered by the Geneva convention. Terrorist are not covered by the Geneva convention.
Think torture doesn't work? Know anything about the Yakuza? Mexican mafia? Saudi Arabia? Saddam Hussein?
"Show me where the papers are?" As I start to snip off your fingers an ears. And if you're a real tough guy I wheel in you nude 11 year old daughter as two huge black men stand on each side of her.
And maybe I'll keep your whole family with me just to make sure you're not lying. That's life under Communism. That's life under Fidel Castro. That's how people tremble in fear and do anything you say.
TA is your typical American bashing, pompous, snob who truly believes, in his heart of hearts, that he is smarter than you and better than you. He craps on the very culture that allows him to eat his goat cheese pizza and fancy pastries with berries that he and the lovely Jeezebel picked with "their own hands." All the while bashing solid Americans like Coach and referring to our solders -- the very people who allow him to live his cushy, self-indulgent life style -- as mindless robots who have been brain washed by the American right.
Instead of reading American hating traitors like Noam Chomsky read little about Tecumseh Sherman and how wars should be fought.
And learn to fight you spoiled, pampered, skinny fag!
Ouch!
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According to TA, he could have joined the military but had more important things or better opportunities, to do. This always translates to, I'm A BIG FAT PUSSY!!
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According to TA, he could have joined the military but had more important things or better opportunities, to do. This always translates to, I'm A BIG FAT PUSSY!!
Ha ha. Nice.
Ill bet he will blame our merchant mariners for getting hijacked too.
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Enemy combatants are not covered by the Geneva convention. Terrorist are not covered by the Geneva convention.
Think torture doesn't work? Know anything about the Yakuza? Mexican mafia? Saudi Arabia? Saddam Hussein?
"Show me where the papers are?" As I start to snip off your fingers an ears. And if you're a real tough guy I wheel in you nude 11 year old daughter as two huge black men stand on each side of her.
And maybe I'll keep your whole family with me just to make sure you're not lying. That's life under Communism. That's life under Fidel Castro. That's how people tremble in fear and do anything you say.
TA is your typical American bashing, pompous, snob who truly believes, in his heart of hearts, that he is smarter than you and better than you. He craps on the very culture that allows him to eat his goat cheese pizza and fancy pastries with berries that he and the lovely Jeezebel picked with "their own hands." All the while bashing solid Americans like Coach and referring to our solders -- the very people who allow him to live his cushy, self-indulgent life style -- as mindless robots who have been brain washed by the American right.
Instead of reading American hating traitors like Noam Chomsky read little about Tecumseh Sherman and how wars should be fought.
And learn to fight you spoiled, pampered, skinny fag!
I think I love you.
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Ha ha. Nice.
Ill bet he will blame our merchant mariners for getting hijacked too.
He would have rolled over for them....these guys took back their ship.
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He would have rolled over for them....these guys took back their ship.
Not like those UK sailors who were lauded for laying down like little fags.
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I know for myself based on prior experience I would never allow myself to be captured if given the option, but its hard to bash those guys. They had a friggen Iranian gunboat pointed at them. Besides avoiding the whole situation in the first place, its hard to second guess them. I guess they could have fired on the boat. There were many times in Afghanistan that we walked into possible "orange jumpsuit u-tube moments. Its never direct combat, but usually when ur meeting a sheik or some other supposed safe and mundane task, outside the wire.
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I know for myself based on prior experience I would never allow myself to be captured if given the option, but its hard to bash those guys. They had a friggen Iranian gunboat pointed at them. Besides avoiding the whole situation in the first place, its hard to second guess them. I guess they could have fired on the boat. There were many times in Afghanistan that we walked into possible "orange jumpsuit u-tube moments. Its never direct combat, but usually when ur meeting a sheik or some other supposed safe and mundane task, outside the wire.
Must be pretty nerve wracking shit.
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Must be pretty nerve wracking shit.
ABSOLUTELY.
However, it set a terrible precedent.
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I agree....but I've never been in their situation. I would have liked to think I would have had a radio malfunction and fired up the .50 and gotten out of there. Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.
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I agree....but I've never been in their situation. I would have liked to think I would have had a radio malfunction and fired up the .50 and gotten out of there. Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.
In my mind, its all about putting the fear of Allah in their rag towel.
If they think they are going to get blown to smitherines for trying this garbage, they will stop.