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Pelosi: 'We Want Registration'; Holder: 2A Won't 'Stand In The Way'; SAF: 'Gloves Are Off'
Second Amendment Foundation ^ | 8 April, 2009 | NA
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:11:37 AM by marktwain
BELLEVUE, Wash., April 8 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on April 7 acknowledged that gun registration is on her agenda, days after Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters in Mexico that the Second Amendment would not "stand in the way" of administration plans to crack down on alleged gun trafficking to Mexico.
"These are alarming remarks from Speaker Pelosi and Attorney General Holder," said Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb. "It appears that the Obama administration and Capitol Hill anti-gunners have dropped all pretences about their plans for gun owners' rights, and it looks like the gloves are coming off."
Pelosi's revelation came during an interview on ABC's Good Morning, America. While insisting that Congress "never denied" the gun rights of American Citizens, Pelosi told Roberts, "We want them registered. We don't want them crossing state lines..." Gottlieb noted that citizens' rights do not stop at state lines.
"But that doesn't really matter," he observed. "History has shown that around the world, registration has always led to confiscation."
In Mexico, according to the Wall Street Journal, Holder was asked if the administration might encounter constitutional issues as it tries to crack down on alleged gun trafficking. His response: "I don't think our Second Amendment will stand in the way of efforts we have begun and will expand upon."
"These comments belie administration promises and Democrat rhetoric that party leaders respect the rights of law-abiding Americans to own the firearm of their choice," Gottlieb said. "They imposed registration of semi-autos in Pelosi's California and it led to a ban, but it certainly didn't disarm criminals, like the convicted felon who killed four Oakland police officers last month. We know from Holder that the Obama administration wants to renew the nationwide ban on such firearms, but that won't prevent crime, either.
"The administration and Congressional anti-gunners have declared war on gun rights," Gottlieb said. "The press seems deliberately blind to the statements from Pelosi and Holder, who blame our gun rights for their incompetence in dealing with crime. More than 90 million gun owners haven't hurt anybody, and they are tired of being treated like criminals."
The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.
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hEY 240 - CARE TO COMMENT?????
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Let's get details before we turn into drama queens. Of course I'm against registration. is this a nationwide plan? or just something to stop the prick salesmen in AZ from sending crates of Aks over the border each day?
Do you have a source not called "The second amendment foundation"? Their website is full of articles like "ACORN USES PUBLIC FUNDS TO STEAL ELECTIONS", so I'm thinking it's more of an anti-Dem site than true objective news org.
Details, please!!!!
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As each day goes by, I am more and more convinced that Obama is a sleeper cell marxist all on to himself.
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Let's get details before we turn into drama queens. Of course I'm against registration. is this a nationwide plan? or just something to stop the prick salesmen in AZ from sending crates of Aks over the border each day?
Do you have a source not called "The second amendment foundation"? Their website is full of articles like "ACORN USES PUBLIC FUNDS TO STEAL ELECTIONS", so I'm thinking it's more of an anti-Dem site than true objective news org.
Details, please!!!!
How about the quotes from Pelosi and Holder????????
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Ah 240 those are quotes right from the source.......again ur guy is a douchbag who wants our guns.
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Ah 240 those are quotes right from the source.......again ur guy is a douchbag who wants our guns.
'my guy' is ron paul.
I'm just able to recognize that with the good that dems do to help recover the domestic economy, they also bring the anti-gun bullshit. People will vote in a repub in 4 or 8 years as a result of this and economic recovery. And when they do, the repub will sunset the bill and it'll be 2004 all over again.
I'm not saying I agree with it, as I certainly don't. And while I also don't agree with the fact mexican food gives me the shits, I accept it. I understand this comes with the territory. It's the Wild West with the repubs in office, and it's GunGrab City with the Dems in office.
I hope getbiggers were smart enough to recognize this, and make the purchases when a repub was running things. It'll suck, but hey, what can you do besides bitch about it on message boards? Plan ahead, buy your long arms in the good times, and wait for the next repub to come into office. What is it about 'pendulum' that is so hard to grasp?
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'my guy' is ron paul.
I'm just able to recognize that with the good that dems do to help recover the domestic economy, they also bring the anti-gun bullshit. People will vote in a repub in 4 or 8 years as a result of this and economic recovery. And when they do, the repub will sunset the bill and it'll be 2004 all over again.
I'm not saying I agree with it, as I certainly don't. And while I also don't agree with the fact mexican food gives me the shits, I accept it. I understand this comes with the territory. It's the Wild West with the repubs in office, and it's GunGrab City with the Dems in office.
I hope getbiggers were smart enough to recognize this, and make the purchases when a repub was running things. It'll suck, but hey, what can you do besides bitch about it on message boards? Plan ahead, buy your long arms in the good times, and wait for the next repub to come into office. What is it about 'pendulum' that is so hard to grasp?
Dont forget Amensty for Illegal Aliens.
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As each day goes by, I am more and more convinced that Obama is a sleeper cell marxist all on to himself.
no offense dude, but didn't you wait until jan 2009 to overspend on your guns?
I'm sure by September you'll be telling us it's time to buy suntan lotion for that tough summer sunshine.
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Dont forget Amensty for Illegal Aliens.
that's some bullshit too.
The problem is, Bush was a tool for corporate interests. he cut school and domestic spending to a point where 54% of the population had enough.
There is no moderate leadership anymore. You're either a repub in the pocket of exxon who pisses on american poor, or you're a bleeding heart, gungrabbing jerkoff.
Maybe 2012 will deliver us a moderate, but history shows it'll be a far-right person. A new face ala Palin, only not palin.
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no offense dude, but didn't you wait until jan 2009 to overspend on your guns?
I'm sure by September you'll be telling us it's time to buy suntan lotion for that tough summer sunshine.
I got my AR in September, I got my Remi 870 on November 6th., I got an AK a few weeks ago. I also got a G26 recently.
I have had LEGAL handguns for years along with 2 .22 rifles, a .308 rifle.
However, I sold everything two days ago and no longer own anything.
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I got my AR in September, I got my Remi 870 on November 6th., I got an AK a few weeks ago. I also got a G26 recently.
I have had LEGAL handguns for years along with 2 .22 rifles, a .308 rifle.
However, I sold everything two days ago and no longer own anything.
hahahahahahha don't worry, they'll x-ray your yard and send your ass to a camp for burying them there.
Q: Why do canadians oil their garden?
A: To keep their guns from rusting!
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Hahahahaa....good for u. Yeah ATF I don't have dozens of high capacity magazines, and other crap that nobody else is supposed to have. I'm not the "Randy Weaver" ur looking for...move along.
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hahahahahahha don't worry, they'll x-ray your yard and send your ass to a camp for burying them there.
Q: Why do canadians oil their garden?
A: To keep their guns from rusting!
Actually I got my AR in September after Palin was picked to help out the economy.
That damn thing is very accurate at 100 yards.
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Hahahahaa....good for u. Yeah ATF I don't have dozens of high capacity magazines, and other crap that nobody else is supposed to have. I'm not the "Randy Weaver" ur looking for...move along.
hahaha 333386 = Randy Weaver! LMAO...
33, you'll be able to keep everything. You just won't be able to buy long arms or high caps at the same low prices. We're scarce right now because smart people have been buying it up, preparing to re-sell high cap mas for $100 when a gun bill passes.
I remember paying $80 or some horrible amount for a high-cap glock mag in 1999 or 2000. That same mag was $15 in 2006. Today? Probbaly a lot more.
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There are still alot of great deals.....pawn shops have alot, especially if u get the original kit that has the mags. I get my stuff whole sale from Rod and Gun clubs on military bases. I can save almost 100-200 off of most handguns. Plus they can get mags alot cheaper as well. Some stuff like H@K u don't get much off of...but American hand guns, inclding used, they have great prices.
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I live in the NYC area, we dont do Randy Weaver here.
He have city blocks, alleys, buildings, etc, not farms and ridges.
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There are still alot of great deals.....pawn shops have alot, especially if u get the original kit that has the mags. I get my stuff whole sale from Rod and Gun clubs on military bases. I can save almost 100-200 off of most handguns. Plus they can get mags alot cheaper as well. Some stuff like H@K u don't get much off of...but American hand guns, inclding used, they have great prices.
The gun shop owners have been the biggest fearmongers. It's VERY good for their business. It's like if grocery stores were running ads talking about giant food shortages, encouraging ppl to stock up.
Obama has made a lot of gun store owners rich.
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Well even the big stores are full of people buying weapons. I have never been big on buying military style weapons but as I'm moving to El Paso next week, I might look into an M4.
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The gun shop owners have been the biggest fearmongers. It's VERY good for their business. It's like if grocery stores were running ads talking about giant food shortages, encouraging ppl to stock up.
Obama has made a lot of gun store owners rich.
My buddy owns a gun store and he told me his biggest problem is getting supply from the distributors.
He told me Bushmaster is 300,000 guns behind and Glock is 100,000 guns behind.
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Thats what our guy here said...some guns it could be a year. They have no idea and the manufacturer has no idea.
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'my guy' is ron paul.
I'm just able to recognize that with the good that dems do to help recover the domestic economy, they also bring the anti-gun bullshit. People will vote in a repub in 4 or 8 years as a result of this and economic recovery. And when they do, the repub will sunset the bill and it'll be 2004 all over again.
I hope getbiggers were smart enough to recognize this, and make the purchases when a repub was running things. It'll suck, but hey, what can you do besides bitch about it on message boards? Plan ahead, buy your long arms in the good times, and wait for the next repub to come into office. What is it about 'pendulum' that is so hard to grasp?
I thought your guy was bahr?
You really dont understand how a pendulum works do you?
Whens the uk's gun pendulum going to swing back their direction? clue it aint
There has been a pregressive incroatchment on our 2nd ammendment rights and you are all for sitting there and saying ehh we will get them back one day, calling ppl GUN NUTS who bought b/c they thought obama would grab them EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID NOT BUT 2 DAYS AGO THEY WOULDNT.
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There has been a pregressive incroatchment on our 2nd ammendment rights and you are all for sitting there and saying ehh we will get them back one day, calling ppl GUN NUTS who bought b/c they thought obama would grab them EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID NOT BUT 2 DAYS AGO THEY WOULDNT.
settle down susie. This gun bill sucks and all, but there isn't going to be any confiscation.
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settle down susie. This gun bill sucks and all, but there isn't going to be any confiscation.
what makes you say that?
You said the same thing about gun legislation in general not but 2 days ago or dont you remember?
You really just dont get it do you? maybe not this administration but the next nut job liberal one and yes barry is showing himself to be a nut job liberal it wont be hard to get legislation for registration b/c hey weve done it before thats when you will get confiscation jack ass.
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240...whats the next logical step? Holder and even Hil have weighted in with BS facts about where and how many weapons are pouring into Mexico. First off we can't buy auto's..how the hell are the mexi's doing it here. Give me a break. They want em...they want to control everything and taking guns is the next logical step. The unfortunate thing is somebody will put a bullet in em before that happens, which would appear to be counter productive to our cause. Maybe hit em with a Prius or something.
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what makes you say that?
You said the same thing about gun legislation in general not but 2 days ago or dont you remember?
You really just dont get it do you? maybe not this administration but the next nut job liberal one and yes barry is showing himself to be a nut job liberal it wont be hard to get legislation for registration b/c hey weve done it before thats when you will get confiscation jack ass.
because clinton didn't come close to doing it in the late 90s, despite a huge anti-gun mentality from the public in general and before the internet.
There are so many factors preventing a gun grab, the economy probably being the most obvious one. Police states aren't profitable dude.
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They will try...we had waco and ruby ridge..all gun grabs that went bad...
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240...whats the next logical step? Holder and even Hil have weighted in with BS facts about where and how many weapons are pouring into Mexico. First off we can't buy auto's..how the hell are the mexi's doing it here. Give me a break. They want em...they want to control everything and taking guns is the next logical step. The unfortunate thing is somebody will put a bullet in em before that happens, which would appear to be counter productive to our cause. Maybe hit em with a Prius or something.
You wait it out, and vote against them. It's that simple.
You follow the law. You anticipate the political climate and you prepare, but there isn't much else you can do. I love my guns of course, just as most of us do. But I understand the law is the law. The metal tool isn't worth your life. You hear a lot of gun nuts saying "Come and get them, asshole!" That's their choice. I prefer living without them, to dying to keep them. that's just me. Call me a coward, whatever.
A ban would be very bad for the dems politically, and there is no $/manpower to enforce it anyway.
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Obama is much farther to the left than Clinton was and not not as centrist in his approach.
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Fool.
After they take them away, you are going to die anyway.
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You wait it out, and vote against them. It's that simple.
You follow the law. You anticipate the political climate and you prepare, but there isn't much else you can do. I love my guns of course, just as most of us do. But I understand the law is the law. The metal tool isn't worth your life. You hear a lot of gun nuts saying "Come and get them, asshole!" That's their choice. I prefer living without them, to dying to keep them. that's just me. Call me a coward, whatever.
A ban would be very bad for the dems politically, and there is no $/manpower to enforce it anyway.
There is nooo way I'd give em up. I support cops and the law etc...to a point. But there is no way in hell I'd give em up. I'm not shooting it out with a swat team..but I'll sell em to the same guy who bought all of 33386's weapons. Bro u need a new name.
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240...whats the next logical step? Holder and even Hil have weighted in with BS facts about where and how many weapons are pouring into Mexico. First off we can't buy auto's..how the hell are the mexi's doing it here. Give me a break. They want em...they want to control everything and taking guns is the next logical step. The unfortunate thing is somebody will put a bullet in em before that happens, which would appear to be counter productive to our cause. Maybe hit em with a Prius or something.
LOL
what i think is just dumb as shit is 240's idea that they will just stop, he doesnt understand that their ultimate goal is a country with no guns and they are getting one step at a time, none of this pendulum crap but a constant move to the liberal left.
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For the more extreme, thats not the ultimate goal. Thats just the biggest stumbling block.
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Fool.
After they take them away, you are going to die anyway.
I see. death camps ala germany, then?
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240...you really are ignorant. This is EXACTLY how it went down in England. To say we will get them back, or that there will never be an attempt at "grabbing" them is you being oblivious to the obvious. It's like you're turning into a "sheeple" right before our eyes. With everything it's like "it will never happen". That's what the dumbass in a bar more worried about the superbowl than what the economy is saying.
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I'm saying that everyone knows the dems will try registration, and everyone knows a whole lotta repubs will fight it.
It'll never work - it didn't work under a great economy in the late 90s and it sure won't even be attempted today, in light of the fact we're one bad day away from economic collapse.
The logistical cost of ordering a million cops to go door-to-door is staggering, not to mention the fact that most cops aren't going to give up their own pieces.
it's just not realistic. I mean, sure pelosi and crew would love to have them all, but the toothpaste is out of the tube. it'll never happen.
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I see. death camps ala germany, then?
Car accident, stabbing, old age, poison, arson, kidnapping, strangulation, baseball bat to da head, fall off a bridge,
Get it????
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I'm saying that everyone knows the dems will try registration, and everyone knows a whole lotta repubs will fight it.
It'll never work - it didn't work under a great economy in the late 90s and it sure won't even be attempted today, in light of the fact we're one bad day away from economic collapse.
The logistical cost of ordering a million cops to go door-to-door is staggering, not to mention the fact that most cops aren't going to give up their own pieces.
it's just not realistic. I mean, sure pelosi and crew would love to have them all, but the toothpaste is out of the tube. it'll never happen.
you should go back and study history their was a first for everything and when you put that in context of gun legislation in the US you see a constant move towards the left...HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
You know you were praising barry for his nuke proliferation ideal the other day how is this any different brain child?
if they guns are registered they dont need to go door to door do they, they can have you bring them and then go to the ones who didnt show up.
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But the simple fact that a new ban will just affect those of us who own legally is enough to fight it in the first place.
Nothing over 10 rounds?
No semi automatics?
Registrate ALL firearms?
No crossing state lines? What if my state CCW reciprocates with another state? No protecting myself in another state
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But the simple fact that a new ban will just affect those of us who own legally is enough to fight it in the first place.
Nothing over 10 rounds?
No semi automatics?
Registrate ALL firearms?
No crossing state lines? What if my state CCW reciprocates with another state? No protecting myself in another state
What if you move to another state?
What if you live near a state line and want to go shooting at a range over the border?
What about hunting?
DEMOCRATS SUCK!
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you should go back and study history their was a first for everything and when you put that in context of gun legislation in the US you see a constant move towards the left...HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
You know you were praising barry for his nuke proliferation ideal the other day how is this any different brain child?
if they guns are registered they dont need to go door to door do they, they can have you bring them and then go to the ones who didnt show up.
Exactly...that's what I'm saying and 240 would probably be the first in line to turn in his firearms. He already said he would turn them in in another post because he "wants to live".
I get hyped up over this situation because I don't understand how it's ok for the government to attack our 2nd ammendment rights. It's stupid, it is just as important if not more important than the other first 9 ammendments.
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What if you move to another state?
What if you live near a state line and want to go shooting at a range over the border?
What about hunting?
DEMOCRATS SUCK!
dont worry 240 is assuring us that fully autos will be available to all next time a rep gets in
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Exactly...that's what I'm saying and 240 would probably be the first in line to turn in his firearms. He already said he would turn them in in another post because he "wants to live".
I get hyped up over this situation because I don't understand how it's ok for the government to attack our 2nd ammendment rights. It's stupid, it is just as important if not more important than the other first 9 ammendments.
Without the 2nd amendment, the rest are worthless.
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Yeah...the only good thing is I really believe that Pelosi and Holder are so insulated in their liberal world that they don't realize gun ownership crosses political lines. There are UAW members that hunt etc. They don't get it. They will blatantly be going against the 2nd Amendment and the recent SC ruling. Nobody in their right mind would be challanging gun ownership after that, yet here we are.
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Without the 2nd amendment, the rest are worthless.
So many people just do not realize this.
333...how are you enjoying your 870? I just got a 870 Supermag and I love it! (Correct me if I'm wrong, I could have sworn you have one)
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dont worry 240 is assuring us that fully autos will be available to all next time a rep gets in
yeah, look up my quote, that's totally what i said
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No but u said they won't take guns....almost a guarantee.
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So many people just do not realize this.
333...how are you enjoying your 870? I just got a 870 Supermag and I love it! (Correct me if I'm wrong, I could have sworn you have one)
Not too many places where I am to shoot it.
I have to mostly shoot the handguns and .22 rifles.
There is a 100 yard range about 45 miles away, but thats it.
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Beach - can you merge these into my ATF thread?