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Obama didn't comment and deal with the press. He just ordered his Navy Seals to waste the fvckers. Good work.
US captain held by pirates freed
Capt Phillips family was informed of his release hours before it became official
The captain of a US cargo ship taken hostage by Somali pirates has been released and is safe, the US Navy says.
Three pirates are reported to have been killed in the operation to free Captain Richard Phillips, who had been held in a lifeboat for several days.
Capt Phillips was "resting comfortably" aboard a US warship after a medical check-up, a spokesman for the Navy's 5th Fleet said.
He was seized when pirates attacked his ship, the Maersk Alabama, on Wednesday.
On Friday he failed in an attempt to swim free.
An unnamed US official told the Associated Press news agency that Capt Phillips was freed in what appeared to be a swift firefight.
Reports say he jumped overboard for a second time, and the pirates were shot and killed before they could take action to get him back.
US forces apparently took advantage of the fact one of the pirates was negotiating on a US Navy vessel when the incident happened.
The surviving pirate is now in US military custody.
Spokeswoman: Family 'relieved' at release
Capt Phillips was initially taken on board the USS Bainbridge, a warship sent to track the pirates holding him, before being flown to the USS Boxer for a medical examination, navy spokesman Lt Nathan Christensen told AP.
Somali elders had been trying to resolve the standoff but most recent reports had suggested the talks had stalled, apparently because US officials were insisting that the pirates be arrested and brought to justice.
'Model for Americans'
"At approximately 7:19 pm (1619 GMT) US naval forces rescued Capt Richard Phillips, the master of Motor Vessel Maersk-Alabama," a statement from US Naval Forces Central Command said.
"US military forces have one pirate in custody, three were killed in the rescue," it said.
Central Commander Vice Admiral Bill Gortney paid tribute to "an incredible team effort" and said he was "extremely proud of the tireless efforts of all the men and women who made this rescue possible."
US President Barack Obama said he was very pleased that Capt Phillips had been rescued and that his courage was a "model for all Americans".
He said he was resolved to deal with the threat of piracy in the region.
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Yeaa....Barry grow a pair. Actually the title of this thread should be, US NAVY SEALS KICK ASS....Barry grows Balls. I'm glad he authorized action. I think they might have taken it regardless once the Captain jumped and they had a shot at the pirates.
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If he's really gonna let em swing he needs to go after them in Somalia as Bush has done 5 times. This was the first attack on an American ship. If Barry wants it to be the last, he needs to smoke a few motherships or bases, that will end the attacks on our ships. Good job SEALS.
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I'm thinking about buy a book on the SEALS.
They seriously fascinate me.
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I'm thinking about buy a book on the SEALS.
They seriously fascinate me
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(http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/33330000/33333884.JPG)
Looks cool, Ill check it out.
Thanks
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lol @ the title of this thread.
Nice job by the Seals. Three kill shots to the head. Those boys don't play. Too bad we'll spending our resources on the coward pirate we captured.
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lol @ the title of this thread.
Nice job by the Seals. Three kill shots to the head. Those boys don't play. Too bad we'll spending our resources on the coward pirate we captured.
/Quoted for truth. However, necessary.
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lol @ the title of this thread.
Nice job by the Seals. Three kill shots to the head. Those boys don't play. Too bad we'll spending our resources on the coward pirate we captured.
he'll get life in prison. 3 dead bodies on his hands. maybe they'll get some good intel from him too. I'd have rather seen 4 dead idiots tossed overboard, but perhaps some good can come out of him living...
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Wasn't you idiots just whining about Obama being "tested" and "failing" by these very same pirates? Gnashing your teeth about him not giving the OK to the SEALS?
He did it and you still whine and cry about something else along different lines. LOL. It is going to be a long 8 years for you guys.
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Great fucking book.
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It is going to be a long 8 years for you guys.
lol ;D
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Wasn't you idiots just whining about Obama being "tested" and "failing" by these very same pirates? Gnashing your teeth about him not giving the OK to the SEALS?
He did it and you still whine and cry about something else along different lines. LOL. It is going to be a long 8 years for you guys.
they were pissed off because Obama didnt' tell the press what his plans were.
I guess they find it shocking the leader of the free world doesn't give away details of ongoing military operations involving american lives.
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So what about the remaining pirate? How many here think the ACLU will ensure his civil rights?
Does he go to Guantanamo?
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So what about the remaining pirate? How many here think the ACLU will ensure his civil rights?
Does he go to Guantanamo?
probably eventually will end up in a prison here in the states, just like they are thinking of doing for the gitmo prisoners that they cant get rid of...not for nothing this was a good ending to a shitty situation why they dont let those ppl arm themselves is beyond me, this however wasnt his first test...i think n. korea was his first test and they gave him 3 or so chances.
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probably eventually will end up in a prison here in the states, just like they are thinking of doing for the gitmo prisoners that they cant get rid of...not for nothing this was a good ending to a shitty situation why they dont let those ppl arm themselves is beyond me, this however wasnt his first test...i think n. korea was his first test and they gave him 3 or so chances.
sounds like you're saying he most likely will be tried and convicted of a crime.
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probably eventually will end up in a prison here in the states, just like they are thinking of doing for the gitmo prisoners that they cant get rid of...not for nothing this was a good ending to a shitty situation why they dont let those ppl arm themselves is beyond me, this however wasnt his first test...i think n. korea was his first test and they gave him 3 or so chances.
Won't our Native Prisoners "take care" of those guys if they end up in American Prisons? ;D
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Won't our Native Prisoners "take care" of those guys if they end up in American Prisons? ;D
haha they'll be in Punk City Protectiove Custody from day 1.
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sounds like you're saying he most likely will be tried and convicted of a crime.
I wasnt aware he was a US citizen?
Won't our Native Prisoners "take care" of those guys if they end up in American Prisons? ;D
iono not my concern my concern is the US with the biggest prison population in the world now taking on other countries shit heads, hows that sound for you?
actually maybe this isnt a bad thing if we do start importing dip shits to our jails we can finally say stfu to those lefties yelling about overcrowded jails.
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Yeaa....Barry grow a pair. Actually the title of this thread should be, US NAVY SEALS KICK ASS....Barry grows Balls. I'm glad he authorized action. I think they might have taken it regardless once the Captain jumped and they had a shot at the pirates.
Of course this is good news, but the credit goes mostly to the marine snipers, not Obama.
The best thing Obama did was let the military take care of it by themselves.
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240..Barry didn't say anything because he had to distance himself from it, if it went bad. THis is Barry at his best, having it both ways. This was a target of opportunity for those Snipers and atleast the White House allowed JSOC to do thier job. Now the real test is what will the Admin do about the pirates. They have vowed revenge and fired on a US congressman. This is the reverse of a situation where a country or group vows to take on AQ, and get US dollars. Now these guys have vowed revenge and they'll get AQ help. Barry is being careful, this is where things went bad for Clinton. He needs to go after em, no rebuilding, no bullshit...kill and roll.
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I hope we hit pirate bases in somalia.
Really, who in the world is going to do shit, if we do?
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I hope we hit pirate bases in somalia.
Really, who in the world is going to do shit, if we do?
i thought we should not do it unilaterally without the UN blessing???
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i thought we should not do it unilaterally without the UN blessing???
we do what we want, dude. i thought that was obvious by now.
If anyone is deserving of a few missiles landing in their bedsheets, it's pirates.
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It remains to be seen.....Barry moved because he was fortunate to have the captain jump again and the SEALS were there plus the French were able to get their own people back on Friday. It would have near impossible to storm that lifeboat had the captain not jumped. This can't be some bs NATO deal....we're there to kill people ONLY. Barry cannot bow down to the friggen State Department who will want some kind of wussy rice drop or other crap. I'm sure there are NGO's assisting the government there and USAID might be there as well. Bush assisted the Somali gov, militarily with SOF troops and other mil aid. We can't be in the break and fix business, especially here.
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President Obama did not actually order a rescue attempt, he merely reaffirmed the standing authority on scene commanders had to act if lives were in imminent danger. Jonah Goldberg makes the fair point that Obama is Commander in Chief and this happened on his watch, so he should gain congratulations just as he would have been blamed had it gone poorly. I have no problem with that my beef was with the news agencies i.e. Obama cheerleaders who were spinning the event as a decisive action by the President. It wasn't. There were also reports that the President gave orders for a rescue if an opportunity presented itself, that does not appear to be true and it would have been a significant escalation from merely confirming standing orders allowing force if a death appeared imminent.
The legal standard for the use of deadly force is a legitimate fear for your life or the lives of others. That same standard is infused into all military rules of engagement (ROE) I have seen. The commander of the Bainbridge had the authority to kill the pirates at any time he felt the lives of US citizens were in imminent danger. What President Obama did was to confirm that authority. There is some question as to whether his initial orders restricted the ability of the military to intervene while the negotiations were going on. This comes from the fact that no action was taken when Phillips jumped off the lifeboat and attempted to escape. It is unknown whether there were actually restrictions placed.
The vessels in the task force were expected to be stopping piracy so their ROE would certainly have addressed the contingency of an imminent threat to US citizens and their authorization to use deadly force to prevent deaths. It is ridiculous to assume that they needed President Obama to actively affirm that before acting. Imagine a scenario where they come upon a hijacking attempt in progress and the pirates point an AK at the captain of the ship. Would we really expect them to wait and dial the phone?
Hello White House, this is Commander Smith in the Gulf of Aden can I speak to President Obama?......Yes Ma'am I realize it's 3 am....Oh hello Mrs. Obama is the President around? We have kind of an urgent situation here.....Oh, he's walking the puppy. Well could you get a message to him, we need permission to........BAKOW! Oh crap Ma'am, they shot him, never mind.
Ludicrous, I know and precisely why ROE anticipate those situations and give authority to commanders on scene. When it became a national crisis the President can review and potentially change the ROE based on what he wants to happen. If a determination is made to pursue negotiations then tighter restrictions on the local commander's authority to use deadly force could be applied. He also could have done what some reported and authorized a rescue if an opportunity presented itself. It looks like the only step he took was to allow the normal authorization for deadly force to stand, essentially doing nothing.
This is in no way reflects badly on the President. The pirates had little history of using violence against hostages and any rescue attempt is inherently difficult and dangerous. It was fortunate that the on scene commander and shooters were on the ball and on target. The reports say the pirates either fired shots on the lifeboat or appeared to be about to execute the hostage. That is certainly worth considering when thinking about negotiating in any future incidents.
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The AP is reporting that President Obama gave the order to use military force to rescue the hostage, that is misleading.
WASHINGTON (AP)—Administration officials say President Barack Obama approved the military operation that rescued a U.S. captain held hostage by Somali pirates.
The officials say Obama ordered the Defense Department to use military resources to rescue Richard Phillips from a lifeboat off the Somali coast.
He did affirm the military's authorization to use force if the captain's life was in danger, but they already would have had that authorization as part of their standard rules of engagement. If there are innocents about to be slaughtered the same reasoning that authorizes self defense also covers an imminent execution unless the ROE specifically forbid it.The AP is making it sound like there was an active rescue ordered by the President. It was not, there was an imminent threat and the local commander gave the order to fire. Good on Obama for ensuring their authorization was clear, but let's also be clear that he did not authorize or order an active rescue attempt.
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LOL @ the bitching over a happy ending.
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LOL @ the bitching over a happy ending.
I dont think any guy can bitch over a "happy ending" as I know the word. :) :)
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No...just making sure Barry doesn't end up with a Navy Cross. Regardless who is president..they need to go after a few of the pirate bases and end the threat. Further, make negociating with them punishable under US law, if ur a US ship. This would undermine any steps taken by the government. Then leave it up to the PMC's to deal with the rest. Perfect place to let them do what they do.
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LOL @ the bitching over a happy ending.
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Obama turns them to tears no matter what he does. Sucks for them.
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I cry everyday knowing we have half a fag running this country.....but atleast he decided on a dog.
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Obama turns them to tears no matter what he does. Sucks for them.
All guys agree that a "happy ending" is a good thing.
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Dead dirtbags make everybody happy.......there is a rumor they can try that kid in Kenya. Best possible outcome.
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I cry everyday knowing we have half a fag running this country.....but atleast he decided on a dog.
What makes you think Obama is 'half a fag'?
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If this situation had turned out the opposite way would Obama be to blame? ???
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It remains to be seen.....Barry moved because he was fortunate to have the captain jump again and the SEALS were there plus the French were able to get their own people back on Friday. It would have near impossible to storm that lifeboat had the captain not jumped. This can't be some bs NATO deal....we're there to kill people ONLY. Barry cannot bow down to the friggen State Department who will want some kind of wussy rice drop or other crap. I'm sure there are NGO's assisting the government there and USAID might be there as well. Bush assisted the Somali gov, militarily with SOF troops and other mil aid. We can't be in the break and fix business, especially here.
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FOX reported this morning that the captain did NOT jump.
They had heads of 2 visible when the 3rd one was showing through a window and they realized they could kill all 3.
I dont know which version is accurate - but they reported today that the captain never jumped after all.
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I'm going from the Navy version of events. I also have seen where it was Marines, not SEALS.
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The nitpicking for Obama bashing material continues.... ::)
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I wasnt aware he was a US citizen? iono not my concern my concern is the US with the biggest prison population in the world now taking on other countries shit heads, hows that sound for you?
actually maybe this isnt a bad thing if we do start importing dip shits to our jails we can finally say stfu to those lefties yelling about overcrowded jails.
I have no clue of maritime law
the surving pirate is clearly a criminal by most standards, (and probably thanking Allah tonight that he was stabbed in the hand and not on the boat) and if Bush were in charge we could just call him a terrorist or enemy combatant or make up some other new classification
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obama's probably going to turn him over to kenya and let him get 20 years in a kenyan prison.
I have never been to a kenyan prison, but i'm guessing it's quite the shitty place to visit.
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I have no clue of maritime law
the surving pirate is clearly a criminal by most standards, (and probably thanking Allah tonight that he was stabbed in the hand and not on the boat) and if Bush were in charge we could just call him a terrorist or enemy combatant or make up some other new classification
LOL whats in a name? barry treats them the same way but you think b/c he decommisioned terrorist or enemy combatant that its ok?
obama's probably going to turn him over to kenya and let him get 20 years in a kenyan prison.
I have never been to a kenyan prison, but i'm guessing it's quite the shitty place to visit.
yea i cant imagine that being a happy place.
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I cry everyday knowing we have half a fag running this country.....but atleast he decided on a dog.
Idiot U are.
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LOL whats in a name? barry treats them the same way but you think b/c he decommisioned terrorist or enemy combatant that its ok?
no I don't think it's ok and I don't have a clue what will happen in this case
I'm sure we'll all know soon enough
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LETS ALL PRAISE OBAMA...YES!!!! ALL HAIL OBAMA!!!! WHAT AN AMAZING CALL ...CALLIN IN NAVY SEALS TO RESCUE THE CAPTAIN!!!!!...
"president obama, we need to help the captain"
"your right what should we do"
..."well since they are at sea, and they are captive, the only option we have is seals, because it is the only branch of the goverment that works on situaation in the sea, the navy, and the only thing the navy has other than ships, missiles(which would kill the captain), and planes(which would kill the capitan) is mean for situations around the water..."
...."ohh...shit,...well lets get some seals"
...im on it sir"
a couple days later...
CNN: OBAMA IS GOD...MAKES GREAT MOVE TO CALL IN NAVY SEALS