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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: mogulgangi on April 13, 2009, 02:03:09 PM
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is this true...i read on several post that some fighters just get 2,000 -5,000 per fight...the same amount additional if you win..3 fights per year..ucf can terminate your contract if you lose 1 fight....
only money made is in sponsorships...
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is this true...i read on several post that some fighters just get 2,000 -5,000 per fight...the same amount additional if you win..3 fights per year..ucf can terminate your contract if you lose 1 fight....
only money made is in sponsorships...
Think about it. Is Brock Lesnar going to go from WWE to such a shitty paycheck? ::)
The fighters making shit money are on the same level as guys placing last in bb contest but still making more.
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That's why I retired from the cagefighting game....that and the whole business has changed. I worry about the kids.
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abiously the top dogs make cash, just like in the ifbb, just anyone who isnt a big time game, from what i read, your making anywhere from 20,000 a year to 40,000 max... i heard ufc contracts are a joke
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That's why I retired from the cagefighting game....that and the whole business has changed. I worry about the kids.
ROFLMAO
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40k a year to fight.
that's not great, but what does the job entail? Fighting 8 or 10 times a year? Spending 2 hours a day training, and relaxing the rest of the day.
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go to the MMA board. every post fight pay out is usually posted a few days after a PPV
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go to the MMA board. every post fight pay out is usually posted a few days after a PPV
While very few MMA fighters are getting rich, a good number are grinding out a living in smaller shows, whereas, the only place a bodybuilder can earn prize $$ is the IFBB (Correct me if I'm wrong)
This is UFC 94
– Georges St. Pierre $400,000 (includes $200,000 win bonus) def. B.J. Penn $125,000 (win bonus would have been $125,000)
– Lyoto Machida $120,000 (includes $60,000 win bonus) def. Thiago Silva $29,000 (win bonus would have been $29,000)
– Jon Jones $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Stephan Bonnar $22,000 (win bonus would have been $22,000)
– Karo Parisyan $80,000 (includes $40,000 win bonus) def. Dong Hyun Kim $26,000 (win bonus would have been $26,000)
– Clay Guida $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Nate Diaz $20,000 (win bonus would have been $20,000)
– Jon Fitch $68,000 (includes $34,000 win bonus) def. Akihiro Gono $28,000 (win bonus would have been $28,000)
– Thiago Tavares $26,000 (includes $13,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan $14,000 (win bonus would have been $14,000)
– John Howard $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus) def. Chris Wilson $15,000 (win bonus would have been $15,000)
– Dan Cramer $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Matt Arroyo $8,000 (win bonus would have been $8,000)
Total Disclosed Payroll: $1,057,000
MMA Junkie reports that Dana White announced attendance of 14,885 attendees for a live gate of approximately $4.3 million, making it the sixth highest UFC gate ever.
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While very few MMA fighters are getting rich, a good number are grinding out a living in smaller shows, whereas, the only place a bodybuilder can earn prize $$ is the IFBB (Correct me if I'm wrong)
This is UFC 94
– Georges St. Pierre $400,000 (includes $200,000 win bonus) def. B.J. Penn $125,000 (win bonus would have been $125,000)
– Lyoto Machida $120,000 (includes $60,000 win bonus) def. Thiago Silva $29,000 (win bonus would have been $29,000)
– Jon Jones $14,000 (includes $7,000 win bonus) def. Stephan Bonnar $22,000 (win bonus would have been $22,000)
– Karo Parisyan $80,000 (includes $40,000 win bonus) def. Dong Hyun Kim $26,000 (win bonus would have been $26,000)
– Clay Guida $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus) def. Nate Diaz $20,000 (win bonus would have been $20,000)
– Jon Fitch $68,000 (includes $34,000 win bonus) def. Akihiro Gono $28,000 (win bonus would have been $28,000)
– Thiago Tavares $26,000 (includes $13,000 win bonus) def. Manny Gamburyan $14,000 (win bonus would have been $14,000)
– John Howard $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus) def. Chris Wilson $15,000 (win bonus would have been $15,000)
– Dan Cramer $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus) def. Matt Arroyo $8,000 (win bonus would have been $8,000)
Total Disclosed Payroll: $1,057,000
MMA Junkie reports that Dana White announced attendance of 14,885 attendees for a live gate of approximately $4.3 million, making it the sixth highest UFC gate ever.
any idea what the ppv take was?
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any idea what the ppv take was?
That one did 1.3 million buys
Here are some more:
UFC 67 - Silva v. Lutter - 400,000
UFC 68 - Slyvia v. Couture - 540,000
UFC 69 - St. Pierre v. Serra - 400,000
UFC 71 - Liddell v. Jackson II - 675,000
UFC 72 - Franklin v. Okami - 200,000
UFC 73 - Ortiz v. Evans - 425,000
UFC 74 - Couture v. Gonzaga - 520,000
UFC 76 - Liddell v. Jardine - 475,000
UFC 77 - Franklin v. Silva II - 325,000
UFC 78 - Evans v. Bisbing - 325,000
UFC 79 - Liddell v. Silva - 600,000
Here are all the confirmed UFCs from 2008
UFC 80 - Penn v Stevenson - 225,000
UFC 81 - Lesnar v Mir - 650,000
UFC 82 - Silva v Henderson - 325,000
UFC 83 - St. Pierre v Serra 2 - 525,000
UFC 84 - Penn v Sherk - 475,000
UFC 85 - Hughes v Alves - 225,000
UFC 86 - Jackson v Griffin - 520,000
UFC 87 - Lesnar v Herring/GSP v Fitch - 625,000
UFC 88 - Liddell v Evans - No official numbers ever released
UFC 90 - Silva v Cote - 300,000 (total not in yet)
UFC 91 - Lesnar v Couture - 750,000-800,000 (total not in yet)
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That one did 1.3 million buys
Here are some more:
UFC 67 - Silva v. Lutter - 400,000
UFC 68 - Slyvia v. Couture - 540,000
UFC 69 - St. Pierre v. Serra - 400,000
UFC 71 - Liddell v. Jackson II - 675,000
UFC 72 - Franklin v. Okami - 200,000
UFC 73 - Ortiz v. Evans - 425,000
UFC 74 - Couture v. Gonzaga - 520,000
UFC 76 - Liddell v. Jardine - 475,000
UFC 77 - Franklin v. Silva II - 325,000
UFC 78 - Evans v. Bisbing - 325,000
UFC 79 - Liddell v. Silva - 600,000
Here are all the confirmed UFCs from 2008
UFC 80 - Penn v Stevenson - 225,000
UFC 81 - Lesnar v Mir - 650,000
UFC 82 - Silva v Henderson - 325,000
UFC 83 - St. Pierre v Serra 2 - 525,000
UFC 84 - Penn v Sherk - 475,000
UFC 85 - Hughes v Alves - 225,000
UFC 86 - Jackson v Griffin - 520,000
UFC 87 - Lesnar v Herring/GSP v Fitch - 625,000
UFC 88 - Liddell v Evans - No official numbers ever released
UFC 90 - Silva v Cote - 300,000 (total not in yet)
UFC 91 - Lesnar v Couture - 750,000-800,000 (total not in yet)
x how much per? $40? that's some crazy revenue. way more than the Tyson/Holyfield/Foreman fights that were paying out 10's of millions.
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x how much per? $40? that's some crazy revenue. way more than the Tyson/Holyfield/Foreman fights that were paying out 10's of millions.
The problem for the fighters is that very few are draws by themselves and don't have much of an option outside of the UFC.
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The problem for the fighters is that very few are draws by themselves and don't have much of an option outside of the UFC.
very true! one or two fighters always fill 95% of the seats.
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Bodybuilding is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to compensation. The only way most of these roid addicts are able to compete, is to supplement their income with "posing sessions" for schmoes. Take that part of the income out of the equation, and 99.99% of bodybuilders actually spend more on their habit than they earn from it.
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I'd say most of their doctor/drug bills, top 15k, easily.
I'd rather be a mediocre MLB player making 1 million a year.
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I trained under Alex Steibling back when he fought in Pride over in Japan and I can confirm he made $40K per fight in cash which was undeclared when he reentered the U.S. ;)
Also, the UFC pays all your medical bills and gives out $60K bonuses if your fight earns Fight of the Night, Knock Out of the Night, or Submission of the Night.
Dana White is notorious for giving bonuses under the table and expensive gifts. For instance I heard he bought GSP a house and a nice car. It was also revealed in an interview with Fedor's former manager that since he was on a 1 fight deal that Pride would give him huge payments under the table so he wouldn't jump to K-1.
Both the UFC and Pride are/were run by the mafia.
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The organization makes all the money. Guys fight to get laid by dumb vegas plastic hotties. They make all their money off t-shirt sales and "private training sessions" just like pro bodybuilders that do "private photo shoots"
Only the top guys make decent enough money to not have to work a real job 9-5
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There's a massive difference between the two.
In MMA you get paid to get your ass beat up.
In bodybuilding....um...... .....
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we are bodybuilders for one reason, all those athletes can come and go anywhere without getting anyones attention. all we have to do is enter a store, mall, building dressed any way and boom, everyone notices how big we are. we are asked immediately if we train, how big we are etc. It gets better with age guys, I am 53 and nobodys guesses my age, the women love me-all the women. The younger kids want to know how I train, what I eat, and the supplements I take. They love to see us. MMA, football, it doesnt matter. We are the ones they want to see, with and without clothes. Thats why we train...
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Those are the top of the top fighters, with a huge PPV and a 15,000+ audience at the fights.
Now, take the myriad of other organizations, or the path to get to the televised fights, and that is where the lower cash per fight comes from.
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read this guys ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practice_squad
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IF you goggle "ufc payouts" you get the last couple of fights and see how bad some of these guys are paid.. jardine was averaging 15000 on some fights and just 40,000 on others.. but, they do not have big paydays unless you are jackson ect.. hell silvia (tim) when he was the champ was getting only 100,000 a fight
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also, the UFC is now handing out $100k/year contracts to winners of big fights.
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Rampage was the first to negotiate his contract to get a percentage of the PPV. Like Liddell, he averages about $750-$1mil per fight.
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Think about it. Is Brock Lesnar going to go from WWE to such a shitty paycheck? ::)
The fighters making shit money are on the same level as guys placing last in bb contest but still making more.
actually...yes.Brock took a sizeable pay cut to go to the UFC.
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I trained under Alex Steibling back when he fought in Pride over in Japan and I can confirm he made $40K per fight in cash which was undeclared when he reentered the U.S. ;)
Also, the UFC pays all your medical bills and gives out $60K bonuses if your fight earns Fight of the Night, Knock Out of the Night, or Submission of the Night.
Dana White is notorious for giving bonuses under the table and expensive gifts. For instance I heard he bought GSP a house and a nice car. It was also revealed in an interview with Fedor's former manager that since he was on a 1 fight deal that Pride would give him huge payments under the table so he wouldn't jump to K-1.
Both the UFC and Pride are/were run by the mafia.
Hahahahah!!!! ok don corleone... ::) ::)
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Hahahahah!!!! ok don corleone... ::) ::)
If you knew anything about MMA you'd know this is a fact and is publically know as the reason why Pride lost network television rights in 2006. The Yakuza were threatening executives from K-1.
The Fertitas who own the UFC have ties to the Italian-American mafia.
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My personal outlook on the Japanese MMA scene
By Zach Arnold | December 21, 2007 | Print This
Warning: This is a very long post.
For the last couple of months, I’ve stayed relatively quiet in terms of talking about the Japanese MMA scene and how things are lining up. For starters, I’m bored with a lot of it. Secondly, I don’t see a lot of positives right now.
Here is my breakdown of how the political landscape in Japan is shaping up and what you should be paying close attention to.
The power brokers and matchmakers
Dave Meltzer recently wrote an article on Yahoo profiling the tradition of MMA on NYE in Japan. There were a few bloggers who were shocked, stunned, surprise, or whatever adjective you want to use to learn about how Fedor ended up working for the Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 event (instead of the PRIDE event that same night).
If you read through out our site archives (which contains a ton of information from start to finish about how the yakuza scandal occurred), you probably already know the story. Start reading by using these links (here, here, here, and here).
However, let me give you a more detailed account of what exactly happened (based on my personal knowledge and years of talking to people inside the Japanese MMA business).
Antonio Inoki had ran a disastrous event called “Legends” on 8/8/02 at the Tokyo Dome for Nippon TV. Akira Fukuzawa, long-time All Japan Pro-Wrestling play-by-play man, did the PBP call for the event. (This is the event where Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira destroyed Sanae Kikuta and Kikuta ended up doing a stretcher job.) It was a disastrous event because the main event was Naoya Ogawa vs. Matt Ghaffari. The show did terrible numbers at the gate and was a black mark for Inoki. Inoki’s power source, old-time Japanese entertainment business mogul Tatsuo Kawamura, was the backer of this project and every other project known to man since then for The Big Chin. Kawamura owns one of Japan’s largest entertainment companies, K-Dash, and Ogawa has always been closely tied to Kawamura.
You have to understand what the power structure of the Japanese MMA business was in 2002. You had K-1 and PRIDE working together. As we’ve learned in the last couple of years, the power structures of the two groups were as follows: K-1 had Kazuyoshi Ishii as the boss, with Ken Imai and Nobuaki Kakuda in secondary roles along with admitted yakuza-fixer Seiya Kawamata and Daisuke Teraguchi, who helped out with foreign business. PRIDE’s backers consisted of Hiromichi Momose (the guy at the early PRIDE events in black glasses and a ballcap who always marked out for fighters at ringside after the fights were over), along with underlings of Naoto Morishita and Nobuyuki Sakakibara. Nobuhiko Takada has always been a front man (a spokesperson) rather than someone with major power in the group. Momose followed Takada after the end of UWF-International and the start of PRIDE in 1997 under the KRS banner. The power base for PRIDE was in Nagoya, which is where Morishita and Sakakibara came from.
Mixed in with all of this were the major agents. Motoko Uchida, who was Akira Maeda’s secretary when he ran the RINGS promotion, ended up being a power broker for the Brazilian Top Team in Japan. The rumor (for a long time in Japan) was that Uchida was backed heavily by Tatsuo Kawamura (the same guy backing Inoki and supposedly Kawamata). Koichi “Booker K” Kawasaki was the power broker for Chute Boxe Academy in Japan. Australian-born Miro Mijatovic was the super-agent to be, as he was really the most powerful gaijin agent at the time in Japan (managing both Fedor and Mirko Cro Cop, along with fighters in Fedor’s camp). Mijatovic had made his living in Japan for many years as a contract lawyer and had deals in place with star athletes like famous swimmer Ian Thorpe for business in Japan. Mijatovic worked alongside Bas Boon, who is very close to Golden Glory. Mr. Kokubo, the man who is behind J-ROCK, is the backer of fighters like Hidehiko Yoshida, Kazuhiro Nakamura, etc. J-ROCK is now backing the new World Victory Road project.
The events that shook up the Japanese MMA scene forever
For those of you who have followed the PRIDE yakuza scandal since day one, none of this information is new. However, if you’re a newcomer, here is a synopsis of what took place.
K-1, PRIDE, and Inoki cooperated with each other on a big show (produced by K-1) called Dynamite on August 28th, 2002 at Kokuritsu (National) Stadium in Tokyo. The stadium was meant to be used for soccer, so the amount of production equipment and portable toilets needed to be installed to execute this show was monstrous. The show drew a huge crowd of over 70,000 (legitimately paid), even though 91,000 was the claimed attendance. After this event, things started to fall apart.
Since NYE of 2000, all the parties had been cooperating with each other for events (2000 was a SkyPerfecTV PPV at the Osaka Dome, 2001-2002 was at Saitama super Arena taped for Tokyo Broadcasting System). However, the factions started feuding with each other after two important incidents.
There had been rumors that K-1 was undergoing some tax problems. Kazuyoshi Ishii was paying out a lot of money to foreign fighters and had also desparately wanted to sign Mike Tyson. Ishii ended up getting busted in December of 2002 in a raid by the Tokyo tax bureau. There were allegations that a contract for Mike Tyson was forged in order to divert money, that fighters were being paid under the table, and that evidence of such acts were intentionally destroyed. Ishii ended up going to jail, along with a mysterious Bangladesh man who was arrested in another country and was sentenced for making phony contracts for Ishii. Ken Imai was rumored to be close to Ishii on business deals at the time, but he was never charged or convicted of any crimes. Imai ended up leaving the K-1 power structure.
Sadaharu Tanigawa, a former pro-wrestling and MMA writer, took over for Ishii. He created FEG as his umbrella group to run operations.
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Part 3
Meanwhile, Kawamata was having his own troubles before and after the Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye show. According to Kawamata in Shukan Gendai magazine, he was allegedly receiving threats from DSE yakuza for booking Fedor. After the Inoki show, Kawamata was summoned to a building in Shizuoka where he was threatened for blackmail money — by his own yakuza gang members, who turned on him and supposedly were friendly now to DSE. Kawamata ended up leaving Japan and there were some angry people.
According to Shukan Gendai, Mijatovic was summoned to a hotel room meeting where a gun was allegedly pointed to his head and was warned about crossing DSE. Mijatovic’s relationship with Red Devil started to deterioriate as Sakakibara and PRIDE started to get closer to Vadim and Fedor. Eventually, Mijatovic left the MMA business and focused his business activities on Japan’s lucrative love hotel sector (raising capital to buy properties and renovate depressed areas).
Kawamata’s revenge
Seiya Kawamata launched a multi-pronged attack against DSE. He filed a police complaint in 2005 with the Kanagawa Police, claiming that alleged yakuza members connected to DSE threatened him. He helped cooperate with Kodansha, the publisher of Shukan Gendai, for a multi-month negative campaign against DSE. The magazine campaign built up so much public pressure on Fuji TV (which was having a stockholder’s meeting to address Livedoor’s attempt at a hostile takeover of their company) that the network dropped DSE programming despite the large ratings it attracted.
The Kanagawa Police investigation into Kawamata’s claims went unresolved because they couldn’t track down Mr. I (aka Mr. Ishizaka aka Kim-Dok Soo), who rumoredly fled to South Korea at the time of the investigation.
With PRIDE finished and Kazuyoshi Ishii sitting in a jail cell, the MMA scene became weakened in Japan. Almost scorched earth, in fact. There are strong rumors now that Seiya Kawamata is back in Japan and is making some big political decisions impacting the NYE scene this year for MMA. (Hence why there seems to be cooperation between the Yarennoka and K-1 MMA events.)
Personally, a story I found fascinating is a report in Japan that Kawamata supposedly has a stake or interest in FC management, the supposed company backing and representing Brandon Vera. The story got no traction whatsoever in the US MMA blogosphere, which surprises me given that Kawamata is an admitted yakuza fixer.
It should be noted that the Yarennoka event will likely do lackluster business (since it is only on SkyPerfecTV PPV and not on free-to-air TV). Good benchmarks for the show (in my estimation) would be 30,000 PPV buys and 10,000 paid tickets sold. Anything over those benchmarks is gravy. My personal opinion is to expect some papering of tickets for the DSE event in Saitama. (Same for their Hustle afternoon event).
There is not much appeal at all for the Yarennoka event in Japan. It is scarily quiet this year in terms of NYE MMA activity, certainly by a longshot when compared to previous years. I personally have zero interest in the DSE event and very little interest in the K-1 event, which is personally shocking to me (I’m actually interested in watching the UFC 79 event).
The intriguing part about the DSE event on 12/31 is that more people in America may be watching the event on HDNet than people paying to see it in Japan on SkyPerfecTV. Completely unfathomable if you’ve been a fan of the NYE MMA events in Japan since 2000.
If you’re curious as to how HDNet got the rights for the DSE event, I can only come up with one guess (it is conjecture) as to how it happened. HDNet ended up making a deal with M-1 Global for the TV rights from SkyPerfecTV. In past dealings between PRIDE and Vadim Finkelstein (of M-1), the Russians were given the TV rights to PRIDE events and they turned around to distribute the footage in other TV markets. So, it’s totally not out of the question that the same deal happened here (Vadim and M-1 got the TV rights, M-1 Global flipped them around and made a deal with HDNet).
The direction of MMA in Japan for 2008
With Seiya Kawamata supposedly back in action in Japan, expect the unexpected. He likes to make big splashes and big moves, but it’s usually always short-term business. It will probably be a more interesting year in terms of politics than it will be in terms of fight quality.
Caleb at MMA Predictions unwittingly gave away the main event for the World Victory Road 3/5 Tokyo, Yoyogi National Stadium Gym I event (which is being negotiated as Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Roger Gracie).
I expect to see a ton of mid-range shows in Japan for 2008, with a very mixed success rate (2 out of every 3 shows will probably be money losers or minor failures). I don’t expect great things at all coming out of Japan and with UFC expanding its schedule for more shows, expect to see more Japanese talent make its way to foreign soil and to make a pitch to get into WEC.
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The UFC is pretty stingy with their pay in some cases, I know when Sherk was the LW champ he was getting 5 g's less a fight than what Gil Melendez was getting from Strikeforce.
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we are bodybuilders for one reason, all those athletes can come and go anywhere without getting anyones attention. all we have to do is enter a store, mall, building dressed any way and boom, everyone notices how big we are. we are asked immediately if we train, how big we are etc. It gets better with age guys, I am 53 and nobodys guesses my age, the women love me-all the women. The younger kids want to know how I train, what I eat, and the supplements I take. They love to see us. MMA, football, it doesnt matter. We are the ones they want to see, with and without clothes. Thats why we train...
oh brother ::) The only attention you're getting is from old fat guys who want to oil you down. The VAST majority of people laugh a big bodybuilders, think they are gross and realize that most are broke and addicted to steroids. Go to any NPC/IFBB bodybuilding show and you'll see an audience full of schmoes, she-beasts and a handful family members. Go to any WEC/UFC event and you'll see true sports fans, celebrities, hot chicks, etc.
To even compare the two sports in terms of income and popularity is a joke. One is the fastest growing sport in the US, where it's athletes are getting sponsorship deals from brands like Gatorade, the other (not even a sport) is the least popular it's ever been and the majority of the sponsorship money comes from rich gay guys.
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we are bodybuilders for one reason, all those athletes can come and go anywhere without getting anyones attention. all we have to do is enter a store, mall, building dressed any way and boom, everyone notices how big we are. we are asked immediately if we train, how big we are etc. It gets better with age guys, I am 53 and nobodys guesses my age, the women love me-all the women. The younger kids want to know how I train, what I eat, and the supplements I take. They love to see us. MMA, football, it doesnt matter. We are the ones they want to see, with and without clothes. Thats why we train...
Uummm........something tells me if you and lets say Michael Jordan were in the same room, you just might as well be invisable.
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we are bodybuilders for one reason, all those athletes can come and go anywhere without getting anyones attention. all we have to do is enter a store, mall, building dressed any way and boom, everyone notices how big we are. we are asked immediately if we train, how big we are etc. It gets better with age guys, I am 53 and nobodys guesses my age, the women love me-all the women. The younger kids want to know how I train, what I eat, and the supplements I take. They love to see us. MMA, football, it doesnt matter. We are the ones they want to see, with and without clothes. Thats why we train...
hahah oh boy, this guy must write for Animal Pak.
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Uummm........something tells me if you and lets say Michael Jordan were in the same room, you just might as well be invisable.
Correction........if Ronnie, you and Michael Jordan were in the same room, you AND Ronnie Coleman might as well be invisable.
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Correction........if Ronnie, you and Michael Jordan were in the same room, you AND Ronnie Coleman might as well be invisable.
What he doesn't get, is that people look at him when he walks into a room, the same way way people look at an emaciated anorexic chick. They're not admiring, they are feeling pity...."ohhh, look at that poor guy. He must have a serious steroid/drug problem". The really funny part is, that just like the anorexic chick, the juiced up "bodybuilders" feed off the ogling and fall further into the pits of their addiction.
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bob chick makes more money than most ifbb pros....WEIRD!!!!
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What he doesn't get, is that people look at him when he walks into a room, the same way way people look at an emaciated anorexic chick. They're not admiring, they are feeling pity...."ohhh, look at that poor guy. He must have a serious steroid/drug problem". The really funny part is, that just like the anorexic chick, the juiced up "bodybuilders" feed off the ogling and fall further into the pits of their addiction.
Didn't you used to be one of those juiced up bodybuilders !?
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I sure was. I got into it for the same reason most people do. I thought bigger muscles and bodybuilding trophies would bring me hotter chicks, lots of money, good health and respect. Instead, it brought me a fan base of schmoes, credit card debt, drug use & ridicule. As soon as I saw it for what it was, I hightailed it out of there.
Hardcore/committed bodybuilder = loser in life :)
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40k a year to fight.
that's not great, but what does the job entail? Fighting 8 or 10 times a year? Spending 2 hours a day training, and relaxing the rest of the day.
INJURIES = MEDICAL BILLS = CAREER OVER
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I sure was. I got into it for the same reason most people do. I thought bigger muscles and bodybuilding trophies would bring me hotter chicks, lots of money, good health and respect. Instead, it brought me a fan base of schmoes, credit card debt, drug use & ridicule. As soon as I saw it for what it was, I hightailed it out of there.
Hardcore/committed bodybuilder = loser in life :)
can you describe the ridicule?
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Damn, Mindspin spittin some truth in this thread ;D
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can you describe the ridicule?
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Sure, when you walk into a business meeting weighing in at 220+lbs with veiny forearms, it's clear to everyone in the room that you're using drugs and spending way too much time in the gym and not enough on the business. When you take your smelly Tupperware out of the microwave and stink up the whole office with smelly turkey or some other vile "bodybuilding" food. Or, when you have your ass handed to you by a tiny tit that is a better fighter than you. I could go on and on. Most people think bodybuilding as a "sport" is a complete joke.
That said, training & eating to improve your strength, flexibility, endurance and health is a good thing. That's what I do today...
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Sure, when you walk into a business meeting weighing in at 220+lbs with veiny forearms, it's clear to everyone in the room that you're using drugs and spending way too much time in the gym and not enough on the business. When you take your smelly Tupperware out of the microwave and stink up the whole office with smelly turkey or some other vile "bodybuilding" food. Or, when you have your ass handed to you by a tiny tit that is a better fighter than you. I could go on and on. Most people think bodybuilding as a "sport" is a complete joke.
That said, training & eating to improve your strength, flexibility, endurance and health is a good thing. That's what I do today...
I ask myself--why would someone who feels this way proudly display his pictures of his competitive training days on this site? It sounds like he is supposedly ashamed of that period of his life.
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Sure, when you walk into a business meeting weighing in at 220+lbs with veiny forearms, it's clear to everyone in the room that you're using drugs and spending way too much time in the gym and not enough on the business. When you take your smelly Tupperware out of the microwave and stink up the whole office with smelly turkey or some other vile "bodybuilding" food. Or, when you have your ass handed to you by a tiny tit that is a better fighter than you. I could go on and on. Most people think bodybuilding as a "sport" is a complete joke.
That said, training & eating to improve your strength, flexibility, endurance and health is a good thing. That's what I do today...
MindSpin, not trying to be a prick, but it just sounds like you were trying to use bodybuilding to cover some insecurities and realized it wasn't working. No big deal, but no reason to be so hostile towards it now.
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MindSpin, not trying to be a prick, but it just sounds like you were trying to use bodybuilding to cover some insecurities and realized it wasn't working. No big deal, but no reason to be so hostile towards it now.
I think 99% of guys who take up bodybuilding do it out of some level of insecurities including me.
I ask myself--why would someone who feels this way proudly display his pictures of his competitive training days on this site? It sounds like he is supposedly ashamed of that period of his life.
I am proud that I was able to develop the physique I did. It was very hard and required tremendous discipline. But from day one I knew it was a hobby and that sooner rather than later I would move on to other more productive, legal & healthier activities.
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Sure, when you walk into a business meeting weighing in at 220+lbs with veiny forearms, it's clear to everyone in the room that you're using drugs and spending way too much time in the gym and not enough on the business. When you take your smelly Tupperware out of the microwave and stink up the whole office with smelly turkey or some other vile "bodybuilding" food. Or, when you have your ass handed to you by a tiny tit that is a better fighter than you. I could go on and on. Most people think bodybuilding as a "sport" is a complete joke.
That said, training & eating to improve your strength, flexibility, endurance and health is a good thing. That's what I do today...
how would people comment? you got beat up by a smaller guy?
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how would people comment? you got beat up by a smaller guy?
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I've gotten worked by smaller guys countless times in my BJJ classes. I also do a lot of hiking & mountain biking. The skinny little tits destroy me every time. Keep in mind I'm between 190-210 and in decent cardio shape. If I was still walking around at 220+ I would not even come close to being able to hang with them.
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I think 99% of guys who take up bodybuilding do it out of some level of insecurities including me.
I am proud that I was able to develop the physique I did. It was very hard and required tremendous discipline. But from day one I knew it was a hobby and that sooner rather than later I would move on to other more productive, legal & healthier activities.
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I am sorry that bodybuilding did not work for you, but do not generalize your inability to achieve success into others. It is sad to see a Moderator of a Bodybuilding board be so negative about Bodybuilding. If that is the way you feel great and I respect, but you probably should not be expending so much time moderating something you feel is so bad and destructive about it, let someone else "waste" their time into something they are positive and believe in.
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I am sorry that bodybuilding did not work for you, but do not generalize your inability to achieve success into others. It is sad to see a Moderator of a Bodybuilding board be so negative about Bodybuilding. If that is the way you feel great and I respect, but you probably should not be expending so much time moderating something you feel is so bad and destructive about it, let someone else "waste" their time into something they are positive and believe in.
actually it fits perfectly with getbig
most getbiggers claim to hate bodybuilding, but they could tell you who won a contest from 1993 and they always watch their live bodybuilding show webcasts on saturday nights :)
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I am sorry that bodybuilding did not work for you, but do not generalize your inability to achieve success into others. It is sad to see a Moderator of a Bodybuilding board be so negative about Bodybuilding. If that is the way you feel great and I respect, but you probably should not be expending so much time moderating something you feel is so bad and destructive about it, let someone else "waste" their time into something they are positive and believe in.
Does bodybuilding workout for anyone ??? If you look at success, the way most on this website define it (fame, money, chicks), bodybuilders are colossal failures. Ronnie Coleman is not a household name. Most bodybuilders, including the top pros are broke. And the hottest chicks on the planet think bodybuilders are disgusting.
Now, my definition of success differs from that of most. There are a handful of bodybuilders out there who do it not for the supposed perks that come with it, but because sculpting their bodies for the simple sake of sculpting their bodies brings them true pleasure and fulfillment. These are the guys you see covered up most of the time. They're not prancing around with string tank tops looking for attention. They know they are muscle bound and can hardly walk a mile. They know they wouldn't last 30 seconds in a cage with a 150 MMA fighter. They know they can't get the hot chicks. They know they're always going to be broke. And they know that when their life is done, they'll have nothing to show for it other than a well sculpted physique. But yet, they still live the lifestyle day in and day out. That's a true bodybuilder. And I respect that.
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I guess its like bodybuilding in that those guys dont do it for the money,they just love doing it,they are none conformists to capatalist society,ie dont was normal jobs that make you work all you life to pay for shit you dont need
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I guess its like bodybuilding in that those guys dont do it for the money,they just love doing it,they are none conformists to capatalist society,ie dont was normal jobs that make you work all you life to pay for shit you dont need
I would say the overwhelming majority of dedicated bodybuilders are in it under the delusion that if somehow they can sculpt the perfect physique, it will lead to money, chicks, fame, respect, etc. Some snap out of it and get on with real life. Most get hooked on steroids and end up as 40yr old losers with no money, no assets, poor health, etc. It's a sad existence.
As I previously mentioned, there are a few who are in it for the pure love of the art. They completely realize that it will amount to absolutely nothing except a well built physique...nothing wrong with that. Most of these guys live a happy/fulfilled life.