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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Parker on April 14, 2009, 01:31:07 PM
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I was reading this months Musclemag, and it has JOJ's routine in it. I have seen it before in Flex, and he list floor presses. In Flex I believe he stated it helps with the density. Has anybody ever used floor presses on a constant basis? If so , do you get odd stares from lying on the floor and pressing weight up?
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I think wicked has done them for some time maybe off and on but he could probably shed some light on it for you. I thought it was real weird when i first saw a guy doing this but i hear good things.
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I was reading this months Musclemag, and it has JOJ's routine in it. I have seen it before in Flex, and he list floor presses. In Flex I believe he stated it helps with the density. Has anybody ever used floor presses on a constant basis? If so , do you get odd stares from lying on the floor and pressing weight up?
why you buying BB magazines :-\
;D
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I never got strange looks, but I wasn’t the only one in the gym doing them.
I didn’t see the article. I presume Johnny’s doing them for density in tri’s; not pecs?
How many repetitions is he doing?
Personally, I prefer the feel and safety of lockouts done inside a power rack.
I’d never used a size building rep scheme for either, and did not use them long enough to make a fair assessment (as a mass builder) anyway.
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Very limited R.O.M and they are not easy to do without a partner.
You could just as well do board-presses if you are that interested in them.
These type of exercises are geared toward powerlifting and your strength curve.
What kind of movement during the bench press ever stabilizes the elbows? I don't see any significant crossover happening here unless you are just totally trying to take momentum out of the lift, and you don't have to lay on the floor to do that.
Most "box press" type of lifts are extremely strenuous on the joints. Meh...
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I used them regularly when I strained my pec-delt tie in area, or whatever you want to call it. Still get good contraction, just not a great stretch. It is hard to do though unless you have a good set-up (power rack, low curl rack etc.) and a good spotter. It's pretty much a bench press that's easier on the shoulder complex...but I prefer the stretch of a regular bench.
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why you buying BB magazines :-\
;D
i happened to be waiting for my meds at the pharmacy and was reading the mag, and then i bought it to read at work.
I never got strange looks, but I wasn’t the only one in the gym doing them.
I didn’t see the article. I presume Johnny’s doing them for density in tri’s; not pecs?
How many repetitions is he doing?
Personally, I prefer the feel and safety of lockouts done inside a power rack.
I’d never used a size building rep scheme for either, and did not use them long enough to make a fair assessment (as a mass builder) anyway.
I beleive JOJ had said that this primarily helped in the desity of his chest.
Very limited R.O.M and they are not easy to do without a partner.
That is what JOJ said, he said that that limited ROM is the reason why it was so good. He made an anology that i have to go look for. but it made sense.
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weak sauce old man :P
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weak sauce old man :P
Clean as a whistle.
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Clean as a whistle.
either way
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i have done them for the last 2 weeks and i get a couple weird looks, fuck em'! i can't do the DB version, so i do the BB in the power rack.
its supposed to help with strength, since jackson has powerlifting background this is probably where he got them from. similar workouts are board presses and rack presses
its different from the board because you have the give of your chest still and its supposed to feel different as well (i have never done board presses, this is just what i have read about them).
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I tried them before and I liked the way they felt, takes a little getting used to though. I think that it strengthens the triceps more than anything thats primarily why i tried them.
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That is what JOJ said, he said that that limited ROM is the reason why it was so good. He made an anology that i have to go look for. but it made sense.
You wouldn't have to worry about over-extending the joints, that's for sure.
There prolly isn't any other type of lift that is as cool for measuring sheer/brute-ass strength. There is absolutely no fking way to cheat. Your legs can't help, abs can't help, tricep max strength is tested to its limits, no bouncing, etc.
My guess is that if you took a powerlifter that used all the back-arching wide-grip (for decreased distance) techniques and his bench shirt-- and threw him on the floor to do close grip floor presses (with a customary weight)... his 'normal' lifts would drop so drastically he would think there was something wrong.
I'm not saying that they don't have their place, they would be best suited for powerlifters, not bodybuilders.
On the other hand, they may help a lagging tricep... I just think there are so many other exercises or styles of training (that are much less time-consuming) that a "bodybuilder" could do.
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I have tried them on a few occasions..... did receive a few strange looks from people....... not too bad of a movement.
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You wouldn't have to worry about over-extending the joints, that's for sure.
There prolly isn't any other type of lift that is as cool for measuring sheer/brute-ass strength. There is absolutely no fking way to cheat. Your legs can't help, abs can't help, tricep max strength is tested to its limits, no bouncing, etc.
My guess is that if you took a powerlifter that used all the back-arching wide-grip (for decreased distance) techniques and his bench shirt-- and threw him on the floor to do close grip floor presses (with a customary weight)... his 'normal' lifts would drop so drastically he would think there was something wrong.
I'm not saying that they don't have their place, they would be best suited for powerlifters, not bodybuilders.
On the other hand, they may help a lagging tricep... I just think there are so many other exercises or styles of training (that are much less time-consuming) that a "bodybuilder" could do.
The anology that JOJ used is, and this is out of the Power Bodybuilding Workouts: The floor press is an ancillary movement on chest day...The floor press is o the bench press what the deadlift is to the squat. For both the bench and the squat, you first do the negative part of the rep-lowering the weight-and then do the positvie as you lift the weight. For deadlifts and floor presses, you do the positive part of the rep first, eliminating the advantage of the negative energy
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The anology that JOJ used is, and this is out of the Power Bodybuilding Workouts: The floor press is an ancillary movement on chest day...The floor press is o the bench press what the deadlift is to the squat. For both the bench and the squat, you first do the negative part of the rep-lowering the weight-and then do the positvie as you lift the weight. For deadlifts and floor presses, you do the positive part of the rep first, eliminating the advantage of the negative energy
I can dig that analogy. Right on.
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The anology that JOJ used is, and this is out of the Power Bodybuilding Workouts: The floor press is an ancillary movement on chest day...The floor press is o the bench press what the deadlift is to the squat. For both the bench and the squat, you first do the negative part of the rep-lowering the weight-and then do the positvie as you lift the weight. For deadlifts and floor presses, you do the positive part of the rep first, eliminating the advantage of the negative energy
You are wrong about the floor press. You should take the barbell out of the j-hooks bring it down till your triceps are flat on the floor, hold for a second and then press to lock out. This is to strengthen the mid-point of the bench press and also your triceps. If you are looking to thicken your chest then this movement isn't for you. This is for strength and explosive power not hypertrophy.
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Helps your lockout strength.
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You are wrong about the floor press. You should take the barbell out of the j-hooks bring it down till your triceps are flat on the floor, hold for a second and then press to lock out. This is to strengthen the mid-point of the bench press and also your triceps. If you are looking to thicken your chest then this movement isn't for you. This is for strength and explosive power not hypertrophy.
I only was asking, and I believe JOJ had attributed this to his outstanding chest development. That analogy is what JOJ gave (or was ghost written), straight from a Flex article.
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The floor Press, rack lockouts and partials help strengthen the middle/top portion of the bench press. They are used almost exclusively by PL'ers esp. those who use the Bench Shirts and follow the Westside Barbell training method. They use extremely heavy weights. Use of elbow sleeves/wrist wraps is recommended.
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You are wrong about the floor press. You should take the barbell out of the j-hooks bring it down till your triceps are flat on the floor, hold for a second and then press to lock out. This is to strengthen the mid-point of the bench press and also your triceps. If you are looking to thicken your chest then this movement isn't for you. This is for strength and explosive power not hypertrophy.
Johnnie Jackson says that the upper pecs would be helped by this
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Diggin up bones or what?
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I've done them... they have their place. If you're looking for some variety they're fun but unless you're a shirted bencher, don't really look for them to increase your overall bench power.
just speaking from experience.
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Diggin up bones or what?
Actually, I was looking for the Ben White vs. JOJ on youtube that I posted on the G&O, and I found this "gem", and then I found my thread...
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Could never quite see the difference of doing floor presses instead of PR/Cage pin setting workouts. In either case, might want to start each rep from a 2 second dead stop at the bottom of the lift (whatever it may be). Increases starting and overall power greatly. Even timing and speed, for some. Good Luck.
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pin presses allow you to get into optimal bench position to perform the presses..
floor presses tend to put more emphasis on the pressing muscles themselves and feels abit safer due to the fact you stay under tension more often than not during the floor press where as the weight deloads into the pins/cage most pressers relax and the tension is lost when the load is no longer being bared.
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When my shoulders were bothering me, I did these floor presses with dumbells. They take the last stretch of the movment out but do give a nice contracton. Not bad for variety.
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Just my view, that's all: Not too sure why the floor press would put more emphasis on the pressing muscles themselves. The PR/pin positions allow the 3 major pressing phases to be worked much better, each at their max resistance load. Resulting in much more focused emphasis.
I can see how the confidence factor may enter, with the pressing, while getting full support from the floor. And a BB'er would want that steady TUT. But you can get that same effect when using the PR in any phase positions. You do not have to touch the pin's or rest the bar on them during reps (most guy's use the touch and go method). Do not have to lockout either. Probably a case of a half dozen of one and 6 of the other. And what works the best for any individual. Good Luck.