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I guess this MORON also forgot that Abraham Lincoln created the Income Tax to win the Civil War. A common trend with you "Teabaggers"- Not knowing a damn thing about history or facts.
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LOL yes b/c all of those vids about obama supporters where very indicative of the average obama supporter right? there are idiots in all walks of life, quit being a dip shit.
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I guess this MORON also forgot that Abraham Lincoln created the Income Tax to win the Civil War. A common trend with you "Teabaggers"- Not knowing a damn thing about history or facts.
The income tax was instituted in in the early 1900's, not 1861.
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The income tax was instituted in in the early 1900's, not 1861.
Do be Do be DO!
Uh,
The first United States income tax was imposed in July 1861, at 3% of all incomes over 800 dollars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_LincolnOther important legislation involved economic matters, including the first income tax and higher tariffs. Also included was the creation of the system of national banks by the National Banking Acts of 1863, 1864, and 1865, which allowed the creation of a strong national financial system. Congress created and Lincoln approved the Department of Agriculture in 1862, although that institution would not become a Cabinet-level department until 1889.
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The income tax was instituted in in the early 1900's, not 1861.
Exactly the supreme court had it repealed until the 16th Amendment.
This was to help fund WW1.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
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Exactly the supreme court had it repealed until the 16th Amendment.
This was to help fund WW1.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
Uh, the first income tax was 1861 under Lincoln. You people have never read any history and it is obvious.
1861
In July 1861, the Congress passed a 3% tax on all net income above $600 a year (about $10,000 today). However, no revenue was ever raised because a second tax passed before the first was due (on June 30, 1862). The war's demand on resources made the earlier tax ineffective, and the sale of bonds could not keep up with the expenditures of the administration and the armies. In March, the Congress passed an income tax of 3% on annual incomes of $600 to $10,000 and 5% on incomes from $10,000 to $50,000 and threw in a small inheritance tax too. Lincoln signed the bill on July 1, 1862 to take effect a month later. The Union debt then stood at $505 million.[2] This tax also included the first appearance of withholding and was applied to federal salaries and on interest and dividends.[3]
In 1863, Congress then passed a special 5% tax on incomes above $600 to pay for an army recruitment program that would pay men $2 per recruit and pay recruit's their first month's pay in advance.[4]
In mid-1864, the rates were raised again. The 3% tax on incomes above $600 was increased to 5%, a new 7.5% rate was introduced on incomes over $5,000, and the old rate of 5% on incomes above $10,000 was raised to 10%. The tax on interest and dividends was also raised from 3% to 5%.
And for the first time, with the changes, Americans now had to swear to the veracity of their tax returns, and government assessors could now challenge a return. The penalty for not filing a tax return was likewise doubled to 10%.[5]
At first, the income tax raised comparatively little revenue in relation to the war's demand for it. Harvesting only $2.7 million in 1862–1863, by the next year, the tax pulled in $20.2 million. And believing that many large-income earners were eluding the taxman, Congress raised the rate on incomes over $5,000 to 10% and gave the assessors the power to estimate income and increased the penalties for noncompliance, from fines of 25% to double that for filing fraudulent returns. By 1866, 30% of federal revenues derived from the income tax totaling $73 million, and derived primarily from just three states, New York, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.
In a move to increase compliance and the veracity of returns, the government even made tax returns available to the press. This practice was outlawed in 1870.[6]
The Confederacy also experimented with a progressive income tax, eventually imposing a tax in kind that further destroyed the already ruptured and blockaded economy of the South
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Do be Do be DO!
Uh,
The first United States income tax was imposed in July 1861, at 3% of all incomes over 800 dollars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_LincolnOther important legislation involved economic matters, including the first income tax and higher tariffs. Also included was the creation of the system of national banks by the National Banking Acts of 1863, 1864, and 1865, which allowed the creation of a strong national financial system. Congress created and Lincoln approved the Department of Agriculture in 1862, although that institution would not become a Cabinet-level department until 1889.
ouch 3333!!! P'wned...
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Exactly the supreme court had it repealed until the 16th Amendment.
This was to help fund WW1.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
FUCKING CHRIST!
Read your articles that you post. What the hell is wrong with you? Are you really that dumb that you don`t bother reading what you post? Here, this is the first paragraph to what you posted. AGAIN, it highlights what I was trying to educate you on. You are a moron.
In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.
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The income tax proposal of 1861 was a forerunner, but not the same as the income tax law passed by 16th Amendment.
But I guess you can't read either.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.
In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The amendment gave Congress legal authority to tax income and resulted in a revenue law that taxed incomes of both individuals and corporations. In fiscal year 1918, annual internal revenue collections for the first time passed the billion-dollar mark, rising to $5.4 billion by 1920. With the advent of World War II, employment increased, as did tax collections—to $7.3 billion. The withholding tax on wages was introduced in 1943 and was instrumental in increasing the number of taxpayers to 60 million and tax collections to $43 billion by 1945.
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The income tax proposal of 1861 was a forerunner, but not the same as the income tax law passed by 16th Amendment.
But I guess you can't read either.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.
In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The amendment gave Congress legal authority to tax income and resulted in a revenue law that taxed incomes of both individuals and corporations. In fiscal year 1918, annual internal revenue collections for the first time passed the billion-dollar mark, rising to $5.4 billion by 1920. With the advent of World War II, employment increased, as did tax collections—to $7.3 billion. The withholding tax on wages was introduced in 1943 and was instrumental in increasing the number of taxpayers to 60 million and tax collections to $43 billion by 1945.
You really are stupid. The first income tax in United States History and under law was under Lincoln as that article points out.
You cannot wiggle out of your own stupidity here. It is clear you know nothing of history.
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ouch 3333!!! P'wned...
Absolutely not. The income tax as we have it today was codified in the 1900's, not the civil war.
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The income tax proposal of 1861 was a forerunner, but not the same as the income tax law passed by 16th Amendment.
But I guess you can't read either.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.
In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The amendment gave Congress legal authority to tax income and resulted in a revenue law that taxed incomes of both individuals and corporations. In fiscal year 1918, annual internal revenue collections for the first time passed the billion-dollar mark, rising to $5.4 billion by 1920. With the advent of World War II, employment increased, as did tax collections—to $7.3 billion. The withholding tax on wages was introduced in 1943 and was instrumental in increasing the number of taxpayers to 60 million and tax collections to $43 billion by 1945.
how does this negate TA's point that the first income tax was under under Lincoln? His point against the guy in the video is still valid. Sometimes you have to know when to say, oops, my bust instead of digging a deeper hole. same thing for you 3333, when you're looking at the point of the guy in the video and TA, you're off on an irrelevant tangent.
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Conservative pwnage all over the place here.
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Absolutely not. The income tax as we have it today was codified in the 1900's, not the civil war.
Exactly.
The Income tax in 1861 didn't include businesses or corporations was a flat tax and was repealed by the Supreme court.
The modern income tax that everyone knows and loves didn't come into effect until 1913.
After the 16th Amendment.
But who needs history.
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My point was that the income tax we have today is product of the law passed in the 1900's, not the one he talked about duting 1861 for the sole purpose to fund the civil war.
What we have today is a completely different situation.
BTW - the first inxcome tax imposed a 1% tax.
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way to ignore my post above, I see why you guys feel the need to do so lol...
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Absolutely not. The income tax as we have it today was codified in the 1900's, not the civil war.
Chris, don`t succumb to stupidity like your predecessor. You oughta read a book or two on the civil war or on Lincoln. There are plenty out there. The first income tax and income tax laws were enacted under Lincoln to raise money for the Union in the Civil War. The tax policies then continued onwards to pay the debt and to ensure reconstruction of the South.
The point was the idiot in the video was somehow trying to equate that Lincoln was against taxation and that you "bear the fruits of your labor" or some nonsense like that. In reality, Lincoln was the first to propose, enact and pass the Income Tax as law.
If you ever talk to some Ron Paulers, they tend to HATE and ABHOR Lincoln for creating the Income Tax. Ron Paul himself does not think too highly of Lincoln. For that, I think Ron Paul is a moron.
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Conservative pwnage all over the place here.
{yawn} so what else is new? :-\
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how does this negate TA's point that the first income tax was under under Lincoln? His point against the guy in the video is still valid. Sometimes you have to know when to say, oops, my bust instead of digging a deeper hole. same thing for you 3333, when you're looking at the point of the guy in the video and TA, you're off on an irrelevant tangent.
There are dumb asses all over the place, no different than that famous lady who was crying saying Obama was going to pay her mortgage or those fools in Florida asking for more benefits and welfare from Obama.
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There are dumb asses all over the place, no different than that famous lady who was crying saying Obama was going to pay her mortgage or those fools in Florida asking for more benefits and welfare from Obama.
hahahahaha... WHAT? This is your final answer :D LOLOLOLOL... wow...
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way to ignore my post above, I see why you guys feel the need to do so lol...
you posted while I was writing my post.
But more to your point.
The precursor the modern income tax was passed in 1861.
The modern income tax act was passed in 1913.
This is my first post in this topic
Exactly the supreme court had it repealed until the 16th Amendment.
This was to help fund WW1.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
Seems that what I posted is exactly what I have been saying.
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Chris, don`t succumb to stupidity like your predecessor. You oughta read a book or two on the civil war or on Lincoln. There are plenty out there. The first income tax and income tax laws were enacted under Lincoln to raise money for the Union in the Civil War. The tax policies then continued onwards to pay the debt and to ensure reconstruction of the South.
The point was the idiot in the video was somehow trying to equate that Lincoln was against taxation and that you "bear the fruits of your labor" or some nonsense like that. In reality, Lincoln was the first to propose, enact and pass the Income Tax as law.
If you ever talk to some Ron Paulers, they tend to HATE and ABHOR Lincoln for creating the Income Tax. Ron Paul himself does not think too highly of Lincoln. For that, I think Ron Paul is a moron.
That guy was a dope, but he does not speak for me.
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Chris, don`t succumb to stupidity like your predecessor. You oughta read a book or two on the civil war or on Lincoln. There are plenty out there. The first income tax and income tax laws were enacted under Lincoln to raise money for the Union in the Civil War. The tax policies then continued onwards to pay the debt and to ensure reconstruction of the South.
The point was the idiot in the video was somehow trying to equate that Lincoln was against taxation and that you "bear the fruits of your labor" or some nonsense like that. In reality, Lincoln was the first to propose, enact and pass the Income Tax as law.
If you ever talk to some Ron Paulers, they tend to HATE and ABHOR Lincoln for creating the Income Tax. Ron Paul himself does not think too highly of Lincoln. For that, I think Ron Paul is a moron.
in case you guys didn't get the point or just wanted to ignore it. read it slowly. This context should have been immediately apparent, but obviously not.
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in case you guys didn't get the point or just wanted to ignore it. read it slowly. This context should have been immediately apparent, but obviously not.
That guy was a moron. No question about it.
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you posted while I was writing my post.
But more to your point.
The precursor the modern income tax was passed in 1861.
The modern income tax act was passed in 1913.
This is my first post in this topic
Seems that what I posted is exactly what I have been saying.
I guess you failed to read this part which appears in your article. :-\
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
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you posted while I was writing my post.
But more to your point.
The precursor the modern income tax was passed in 1861.
The modern income tax act was passed in 1913.NOT THE POINT
This is my first post in this topic
Seems that what I posted is exactly what I have been saying.
no, you completely missed the point, flew a mile over your head.
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TA is a one-man wrecking machine around here!
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TA is a one-man wrecking machine around here!
This is a silly argument. Both are right on this. The modern income tax was started in the 1900.s
The one he is talking about was different and was even struck down in the 1890's.
The one we have today has been on the books since 1913 or so.
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This is a silly argument. Both are right on this. The modern income tax was started in the 1900.s
The one he is talking about was different and was even struck down in the 1890's.
The one we have today has been on the books since 1913 or so.
the point was on principle, not on which income tax we have now. They were both income taxes.
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the point was on principle, not on which income tax we have now. They were both income taxes.
I think when most people, accountants, lawyers, etc think about the income tax, they think of the one we have today which was codified in the 16th amendment in 1913, not a civil war income tax that was overturned in 1894.
Of course TA is correct that there was an income tax during that period, but it was brief and overturned, and nothing like what we have today in either scope, range, amount, or percentage of income being taxed.
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I guess you failed to read this part which appears in your article. :-\
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
We are also not arguing about the Commissioner of Internal Revenue
This is a silly argument. Both are right on this. The modern income tax was started in the 1900.s
The one he is talking about was different and was even struck down in the 1890's.
The one we have today has been on the books since 1913 or so.
Exactly
As my first post
Quote from: a_joker10 on Today at 02:38:30 PM
Exactly the supreme court had it repealed until the 16th Amendment.
This was to help fund WW1.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005921.html
If the guy thought that Lincoln didn't believe in taxation then he truly didn't know anything.
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I think when most people, accountants, lawyers, etc think about the income tax, they think of the one we have today which was codified in the 16th amendment in 1913, not a civil war income tax that was overturned in 1894.
Of course TA is correct that there was an income tax during that period, but it was brief and overturned, and nothing like what we have today in either scope, range, amount, or percentage of income being taxed.
and still the point misses you :-\ how? What TA said was spot on in regard to what the guy in the video said of Lincoln.
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and still the point misses you :-\ how? What TA said was spot on in regard to what the guy in the video said of Lincoln.
I am not arguing with you about that. That guy was wrong and uninformed.
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I think when most people, accountants, lawyers, etc think about the income tax, they think of the one we have today which was codified in the 16th amendment in 1913, not a civil war income tax that was overturned in 1894.
Of course TA is correct that there was an income tax during that period, but it was brief and overturned, and nothing like what we have today in either scope, range, amount, or percentage of income being taxed.
No, it was NOT brief, nor was it EVER overturned from the Civil War.
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No, it was NOT brief, nor was it EVER overturned from the Civil War.
FROM THE SITE YOU GAVE:
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History of the Income Tax in the United States
Source: Tax Foundation.
The nation had few taxes in its early history. From 1791 to 1802, the United States government was supported by internal taxes on distilled spirits, carriages, refined sugar, tobacco and snuff, property sold at auction, corporate bonds, and slaves. The high cost of the War of 1812 brought about the nation's first sales taxes on gold, silverware, jewelry, and watches. In 1817, however, Congress did away with all internal taxes, relying on tariffs on imported goods to provide sufficient funds for running the government.
In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.
In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The amendment gave Congress legal authority to tax income and resulted in a revenue law that taxed incomes of both individuals and corporations. In fiscal year 1918, annual internal revenue collections for the first time passed the billion-dollar mark, rising to $5.4 billion by 1920. With the advent of World War II, employment increased, as did tax collections—to $7.3 billion. The withholding tax on wages was introduced in 1943 and was instrumental in increasing the number of taxpayers to 60 million and tax collections to $43 billion by 1945.
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No, it was NOT brief, nor was it EVER overturned from the Civil War.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/html/amdt16.html
INCOME TAX
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes,
from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several
States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
INCOME TAX
History and Purpose of the Amendment
The ratification of this Amendment was the direct consequence of
the Court's decision in 1895 in Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.,\1\
whereby the attempt of Congress the previous year to tax incomes
uniformly throughout the United States\2\ was held by a divided court to
be unconstitutional. A tax on incomes derived from property,\3\ the
Court declared, was a ``direct tax'' which Congress under the terms of
Article I, Sec. 2, and Sec. 9, could impose only by the rule of
apportionment according to population, although scarcely fifteen years
prior the Justices had unanimously sustained\4\ the collection of a
similar tax during the Civil War,\5\ the only other occasion preceding
the Sixteenth Amendment in which Congress had ventured to utilize this
method of raising revenue.\6\
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FROM THE SITE YOU GAVE:
________________________ ________________________ ___
History of the Income Tax in the United States
Source: Tax Foundation.
The nation had few taxes in its early history. From 1791 to 1802, the United States government was supported by internal taxes on distilled spirits, carriages, refined sugar, tobacco and snuff, property sold at auction, corporate bonds, and slaves. The high cost of the War of 1812 brought about the nation's first sales taxes on gold, silverware, jewelry, and watches. In 1817, however, Congress did away with all internal taxes, relying on tariffs on imported goods to provide sufficient funds for running the government.
In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.
In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system. The amendment gave Congress legal authority to tax income and resulted in a revenue law that taxed incomes of both individuals and corporations. In fiscal year 1918, annual internal revenue collections for the first time passed the billion-dollar mark, rising to $5.4 billion by 1920. With the advent of World War II, employment increased, as did tax collections—to $7.3 billion. The withholding tax on wages was introduced in 1943 and was instrumental in increasing the number of taxpayers to 60 million and tax collections to $43 billion by 1945.
It is widely believed that the U.S. Supreme Court in 1895 declared income taxation in itself unconstitutional, making the Amendment necessary if the feds were to grab part of our paychecks. This is wrong. The Supreme Court’s 1895 Pollock ruling did not strike down the principle of income taxation. All it did was declare taxation of income from real and personal property unconstitutional when it is not apportioned among the states. Taxing wages and salaries was fine as far as the Court was concerned. The only reason it struck down the entire law was that the justices assumed that Congress did not intend that only wages and salaries be taxed.
To understand the Court’s reasoning we have to take up the distinction between direct and indirect taxation. The Constitution requires that direct taxes be apportioned according to the populations of the states, while indirect taxes must be uniform throughout the states. This seems straightforward, until you appreciate that the framers had no clear idea what’s a direct tax and what’s an indirect tax. Such heavyweights as James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and Fisher Ames couldn’t agree. In America income taxation has long been regarded as indirect, a kind of excise. But in England it has always been regarded as direct.
The Court in 1895 confirmed that income taxation usually is indirect and therefore does not require apportionment, only uniformity. But it found an exception. Taxing income from real and personal property, the Court said (dubiously), is like taxing the property itself, and so, in effect, is direct taxation—thus requiring apportionment. Since the law passed by Congress in 1894 did not contain an apportionment clause, that part was held unconstitutional, and so the whole thing fell.
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I don't care what any of those people know or don't know about the history of Income Taxes because it's what is at the core of their protest that's important and possibly worthy of debate.
There's always some questionable motives but overall, if you can't figure out why people are pissed off in todays' climate then good luck.
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Nobody finds it disturbing that a big time news outlet covering a protest asked a protester for their opinion and then shouted over them before they could answer and basically made fun of everyone?
Could you fucking imagine if a legitimate news outlet pulled this crap during an anti war protest, or during a pro PLO march? The whole leftist media would be yelling bloody murder over something so blatantly biased. These people have the right to be heard without some hideous elitist snob masquerding as a journalist yelling over them and then making fun of them on national television. Quite frankly, that was an embarassing display by CNN- not the protestors.
Unfortunately, the media gets to pick and choose which voices are heard and which ones are silenced. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the protesters, that girl should be fired. Nuff said.
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protest
Weird. I thought it was an anti-Obama rally organized and promoted relentlessly by a media corporation.
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LOL- Based on what? The fact that the only news outlet that covered the tea parties with any consistncy at all was FOX? By and large the protests were ignored, except for CNN which made a total fool of itself.
Give me a fucking break. Just because some dingbat on CNN and Keith "My ratings suck" Olbermann said so, doesnt make it true.
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LOL- Based on what? The fact that the only news outlet that covered the tea parties with any consistncy at all was FOX? By and large the protests were ignored, except for CNN which made a total fool of itself.
Give me a fucking break. Just because some dingbat on CNN and Keith "My ratings suck" Olbermann said so, doesnt make it true.
Are you saying FOX was just a neutral observer of today's events?
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Nobody finds it disturbing that a big time news outlet covering a protest asked a protester for their opinion and then shouted over them before they could answer and basically made fun of everyone?
People find Bill O'Reilly and the entire FOXNews line up extremely disturbing. Where've you been for the past 8 yrs?
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Adonis, the person was incoherent in quoting Lincoln at this rally (quoting Reagan would have made more sense). But it isnt that ironic or paradoxial like you want it to sound. Lincoln raising a measly 3% tax to fund the bloodiest war in American history is no where near comparable to Obama spending $1 trillion dollars on wastefull interest groups , which he is going to have to massively raise taxes for.
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Adonis, the person was incoherent in quoting Lincoln at this rally (quoting Reagan would have made more sense). But it isnt that ironic or paradoxial like you want it to sound. Lincoln raising a measly 3% tax to fund the bloodiest war in American history is no where near comparable to Obama spending $1 trillion dollars on wastefull interest groups , which he is going to have to massively raise taxes for.
Oh really? The mythological Conservative Reagan who ran up the budget into a deeper deficit, had an Ultra High Marginal Tax rate when compared today and a low threshold for the top taxable income limit. That Mythological hero? Looks like you need a refresher.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275587.0;attach=314995;image
Top Tax Rate Taxable Income limit Max
1981 69.125 215,400
1982 50 85,600
1983 50 109,400
1984 50 162,400
1985 50 169,020
1986 50 175,250
1987 38.5 90,000
(http://www.coneofsilence.info/img/blogs/deficit(7-11-07).gif)
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People find Bill O'Reilly and the entire FOXNews line up extremely disturbing. Where've you been for the past 8 yrs?
Yep!!! They're so disturbed that O'Reilly has been dominating the ratings for the past 8 years, taking MSNBC's lineup (Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc.) to the woodshed.
Nobody finds it disturbing that a big time news outlet covering a protest asked a protester for their opinion and then shouted over them before they could answer and basically made fun of everyone?
Could you fucking imagine if a legitimate news outlet pulled this crap during an anti war protest, or during a pro PLO march? The whole leftist media would be yelling bloody murder over something so blatantly biased. These people have the right to be heard without some hideous elitist snob masquerding as a journalist yelling over them and then making fun of them on national television. Quite frankly, that was an embarassing display by CNN- not the protestors.
Unfortunately, the media gets to pick and choose which voices are heard and which ones are silenced. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the protesters, that #### should be fired. Nuff said.
That was plain dumb. That lady asked the guy a question yet cut the guy off before he finished his answer, yapping about Obama's supposed tax relief. Unless I'm mistaken, she asked him why he was there, NOT about Obama's tax plan.
I expected the MSNBC bubbas to show their behinds. And you wonder why Fox keeps spanking that behind, Jag? ;D
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Oh really? The mythological Conservative Reagan who ran up the budget into a deeper deficit, had an Ultra High Marginal Tax rate when compared today and a low threshold for the top taxable income limit. That Mythological hero? Looks like you need a refresher.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275587.0;attach=314995;image
Top Tax Rate Taxable Income limit Max
1981 69.125 215,400 Reagan took Office in 1981 !
1982 50 85,600 Reagen cut the Taxes by 20 % ...... from 70 % ( Jimmy Carters rate) to 50 %
1983 50 109,400
1984 50 162,400
1985 50 169,020
1986 50 175,250
1987 38.5 90,000 Reagen cuts Taxes again !
T.A. left off 1988 here it is :
1988 28 Reagen cuts again !
trying to blame Reagan for the Tax rate he inherited :o :o :o
Adonis, You truly are one ignorant person. or you are a liar !
When Ronald Reagan was elected, the top Tax Rate was already at 70 % ,
yes 70 % ! ! ! !
And by the time he was done, he cut it to 28 %
70% to 50 %, then from 50 % to 28 % !
Lets look at more of the chart :
1977 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1978 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1979 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1980 70 Jimmy Carter in Office, Reagan wins in November 1980 ( end of the year )
1981 69.125 Reagan takes Office in 81, cuts taxes
1982 50 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1983 50 Reagan in Office
1984 50 Reagan in Office
1985 50 Reagan in Office
1986 50 Reagan in Office
1987 38.5 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1988 28 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1989 28 Bush in Office
1990 28 Bush in Office
He took it from 7o % to 28 %
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You truly are one ignorant person. or you are a liar !
When Ronald Reagan was elected, the top Tax Rate was already at 70 % ,
yes 70 % ! ! ! !
And by the time he was done, he cut it to 28 %
70% to 50 %, then from 50 % to 28 % !
Lets look at more of the chart :
1977 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1978 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1979 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1980 70 Jimmy Carter in Office, Reagan wins in November 1980 ( end of the year )
1981 69.125 Reagan takes Office in 81, cuts taxes
1982 50 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1983 50 Reagan in Office
1984 50 Reagan in Office
1985 50 Reagan in Office
1986 50 Reagan in Office
1987 38.5 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1988 28 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1989 28 Reagan in Office
1990 28 Reagan in Office
He took it from 7o % to 28 %
Uh, I had no clue that Ronald Reagan was a 3 Term President. Thanks for clearing that up. Are you going to contact all the publishers of History books so that they can correct their errors?
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I wish people could learn how to interpret facts.
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Uh, I had no clue that Ronald Reagan was a 3 Term President. Thanks for clearing that up. Are you going to contact all the publishers of History books so that they can correct their errors?
Adonis, You truly are one dumb person :o :o :o
Reagan got elected in November 1980, he took Office in Jan 1981
Reagan was President for 8 years ( 2 terms)
81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88,
add those up, you get 8 years ! ( 2 terms )
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trying to blame Reagan for the Tax rate he inherited :o :o :o
Adonis, You truly are one ignorant person. or you are a liar !
When Ronald Reagan was elected, the top Tax Rate was already at 70 % ,
yes 70 % ! ! ! !
And by the time he was done, he cut it to 28 %
70% to 50 %, then from 50 % to 28 % !
Lets look at more of the chart :
1977 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1978 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1979 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1980 70 Jimmy Carter in Office, Reagan wins in November 1980 ( end of the year )
1981 69.125 Reagan takes Office in 81, cuts taxes
1982 50 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1983 50 Reagan in Office
1984 50 Reagan in Office
1985 50 Reagan in Office
1986 50 Reagan in Office
1987 38.5 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1988 28 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1989 28 Reagan in Office
1990 28 Reagan in Office
He took it from 7o % to 28 %
Do Be Doo Be do!
Do you also not bother to read what you post? Just in case, I highlighted it for you above.
You are trying to convince us that Ronald Reagan was a 3 term President. :-\
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275595.0;attach=315065;image)
I wish people could learn how to interpret facts.
Reagan was President in 1988 you idiot :o :o :o
It was 28 % in 1988
Adonis is an idiot
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How can we take you seriously James when you,
A. Obviously to not bother to read what you post
B. Post phony information with an attempt to re-write American history by portraying Ronald Reagan as a 3 Term President. Are you really trying to get the Ministry of Truth established ala Orwell 1984?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=275595.0;attach=315065;image)
Reagan was President in 1988 you idiot :o :o :o
It was 28 % in 1988
Adonis is an idiot
Why did you post this? ???
trying to blame Reagan for the Tax rate he inherited :o :o :o
Adonis, You truly are one ignorant person. or you are a liar !
When Ronald Reagan was elected, the top Tax Rate was already at 70 % ,
yes 70 % ! ! ! !
And by the time he was done, he cut it to 28 %
70% to 50 %, then from 50 % to 28 % !
Lets look at more of the chart :
1977 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1978 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1979 70 Jimmy Carter in Office
1980 70 Jimmy Carter in Office, Reagan wins in November 1980 ( end of the year )
1981 69.125 Reagan takes Office in 81, cuts taxes
1982 50 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1983 50 Reagan in Office
1984 50 Reagan in Office
1985 50 Reagan in Office
1986 50 Reagan in Office
1987 38.5 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1988 28 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1989 28 Reagan in Office
1990 28 Reagan in Office
He took it from 7o % to 28 %
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Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Adonis,
2 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
I am still trying to figure out Reagan`s third term. Why did you post this:
1981 69.125 Reagan takes Office in 81, cuts taxes
1982 50 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1983 50 Reagan in Office
1984 50 Reagan in Office
1985 50 Reagan in Office
1986 50 Reagan in Office
1987 38.5 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1988 28 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1989 28 Reagan in Office
1990 28 Reagan in Office
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Adonis,
2 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1989 ?
who was President in 1989 ?
what was the top tax rate in 1990 ?
who was President in 1990 ?
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Answer the questions
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Answer the questions
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
Did you know that Across ALL Brackets, citizens pay LESS in taxes under Obama than Ronald Reagan. 8) Even the HIGHEST bracket pays 10 percent LESS today than Reagan.
:-\ So much for Reagan being a maverick on taxes.
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still waiting Adonis.................. ............. :o :o :o
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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still waiting Adonis.................. ............. :o :o :o
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
Did he leave office in 1990 as you posted? ???
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Did you know that Across ALL Brackets, citizens pay LESS in taxes under Obama than Ronald Reagan. Cool Even the HIGHEST bracket pays 10 percent LESS today than Reagan.
Undecided So much for Reagan being a maverick on taxes.
When Reagan was done the top bracket was 28 !
Now Answer the questions :
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Reagan got elected in November 1980, he took Office in Jan 1981
Reagan was President for 8 years ( 2 terms)
81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88,
add those up, you get 8 years ! ( 2 terms )
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Top Tax Rate Taxable Income limit Max
1981 69.125 215,400
1982 50 85,600
1983 50 109,400
1984 50 162,400
1985 50 169,020
1986 50 175,250
1987 38.5 90,000
1988 28 29,750
Note that the figure on the right is the MAXIMUM amount of money you earn before you are placed in the HIGHEST Tax Bracket.
Doesn`t look like it took much to get in the highest tax bracket. :-\
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Still waiting................. ........... :o :o :o :o :o
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Reagan got elected in November 1980, he took Office in Jan 1981
Reagan was President for 8 years ( 2 terms)
81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88,
add those up, you get 8 years ! ( 2 terms )
Why did you post this: ???
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this:
1981 69.125 Reagan takes Office in 81, cuts taxes
1982 50 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1983 50 Reagan in Office
1984 50 Reagan in Office
1985 50 Reagan in Office
1986 50 Reagan in Office
1987 38.5 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1988 28 Reagan in Office taxes cut
1989 28 Reagan in Office
1990 28 Reagan in Office
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Still waiting................. ........... :o :o :o :o :o
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
Why are you still waiting and what are you waiting for exactly?
Top Tax Rate Taxable Income limit Max
1981 69.125 215,400
1982 50 85,600
1983 50 109,400
1984 50 162,400
1985 50 169,020
1986 50 175,250
1987 38.5 90,000
1988 28 29,750
Note that the figure on the right is the MAXIMUM amount of money you earn before you are placed in the HIGHEST Tax Bracket.
Doesn`t look like it took much to get in the highest tax bracket. :-\
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Still waiting................. ........... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Reagan got elected in November 1980, he took Office in Jan 1981
Reagan was President for 8 years ( 2 terms)
81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88,
add those up, you get 8 years ! ( 2 terms )
{pssst} Not sure how to break it to you, but even tho Reagan was elected for 2 terms, he was Pres for maybe 2 years max. G H Bush was only elected to one term, but he served at least 10 years as President. ;)
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Still waiting................. ........... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
I guess third time might be the charm, as they say? One can only hope.
Top Tax Rate Taxable Income limit Max
1981 69.125 215,400
1982 50 85,600
1983 50 109,400
1984 50 162,400
1985 50 169,020
1986 50 175,250
1987 38.5 90,000
1988 28 29,750
Note that the figure on the right is the MAXIMUM amount of money you earn before you are placed in the HIGHEST Tax Bracket.
Doesn`t look like it took much to get in the highest tax bracket. :-\
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I guess third time might be the charm, as they say? One can only hope.
Top Tax Rate Taxable Income limit Max
1981 69.125 215,400
1982 50 85,600
1983 50 109,400
1984 50 162,400
1985 50 169,020
1986 50 175,250
1987 38.5 90,000
1988 28 29,750
Note that the figure on the right is the MAXIMUM amount of money you earn before you are placed in the HIGHEST Tax Bracket.
Doesn`t look like it took much to get in the highest tax bracket. Undecided
under Jimmy Carter:
$24,600 - $29,900 32% :o
$29,900 - $35,200 37% :o
$35,200 - $45,800 43% :o
$45,800 - $60,000 49% :o
$60,000 - $85,600 54% :o
$85,600 - $109,400 59% :o
$109,400 - $162,400 64% :o
$162,400 - $215,400 68% :o
$215,400 - and over 70% :o
Now answer my questions :
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Dont bother anymore, its useless.
When Reagan left office he had drastically cut top marignal rates, even with a RAT congress.
Everyone knows this.
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Still waiting.......... :o :o :o :o :o :o
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Cat got your tongue Adonis ( or your keyboard ) ???
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Adonis, are you hiding ? ;D
Adonis,
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
Are you ok there? Should I send for some kind of help?
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Adonis, why cant a genius like you, answer 4 simple questions ???
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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Are you ok there? Should I send for some kind of help?
still waiting................. ........................ ... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
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still waiting................. ........................ ... :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ?
who was President in 1988 ?
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ?
What was the top bracket when he left office ?
???
MELTDOWN perhaps?
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MELTDOWN perhaps?
why cant you answer the 4 questions ?
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Dont be sad Adonis, I will answer them for you.
4 questions :
what was the top tax rate in 1988 ? 28 %
who was President in 1988 ? Reagan
what was the top rate when Reagen took Office ? 70 %
What was the top bracket when he left office ? 28 %
and just incase you missed it, I posted earlier, showing 9 brackets under Carter, that all paid more than the 28 % top bracket that Reagan put into place, in his final tax cut
under Jimmy Carter:
$24,600 - $29,900 32% :o
$29,900 - $35,200 37% :o
$35,200 - $45,800 43% :o
$45,800 - $60,000 49% :o
$60,000 - $85,600 54% :o
$85,600 - $109,400 59% :o
$109,400 - $162,400 64% :o
$162,400 - $215,400 68% :o
$215,400 - and over 70% :o
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Adonis, since 4 questions was unattainable for you................ :o
How about just one ? ;D
Since Reagan got the top bracket down to 28 %, and since Obama say's he want to raise it to 39.6 %, What is a lower number, 28 % or 39.6% ?
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James you got steamrolled by your own bullshit and misinformation. Which you have yet to address.
Give it up. You got pwned beyond belief.
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James you got steamrolled by your own bullshit and misinformation. Which you have yet to address.
Give it up. You got pwned beyond belief.
How is that?
Reagan lowered taxes from 70 to 28 percent.
Adonis has been claiming that Reagan had his tax rate at 50% for 3 days.
Then in his chart he has posted about a million times he forgot 88.
When Reagan's tax rate was 28.
Then its another 2 pages of Adonis ignoring this glaring error and instead attacking the James personally.
Its the same crap he pulled on me.
The fact is that Reagan lowered taxes by 60% while he was in office.
And this was during a recession.
Lets see in Reagan's first term in office he dropped the tax rates by 20% (70%-50%). Then in his second term he lowered them by another 22%(50%-28%).
Then he has the gall to say that Obama raising taxes is the same Reagan lowering them.
He then also seems to forget about the huge deficit that Obama is running.
Which is the largest in History.
Oh Well.
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Perhaps the way Reagan was President after 88?
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Perhaps the way Reagan was President after 88?
Didn't Bush take over in 85 or 86 when Reagan lost his ability to make decisions in a meaningful way?
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You libs got destroyed there.Facts are facts!!Reagan cut the rate to 28%,there is no argument.
Yes,he inflated the deficit.Why?Well,he was building up the military at record rates trying to destroy Communist Russia.He accomplished this,without firing a shot, while morons like Joe Biden fought him every step of the way.So,Reagan defeated the Soviet empire BY HIMSELF and cut the tax rate to 28%.Obama could serve 20 years in office and he couldnt touch those accomplishments.
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You libs got destroyed there.Facts are facts!!Reagan cut the rate to 28%,there is no argument.
Yes,he inflated the deficit.Why?Well,he was building up the military at record rates trying to destroy Communist Russia.He accomplished this,without firing a shot, while morons like Joe Biden fought him every step of the way.So,Reagan defeated the Soviet empire BY HIMSELF and cut the tax rate to 28%.Obama could serve 20 years in office and he couldnt touch those accomplishments.
Ronald Reagan did not defeat the Soviet Empire. We were always wealthier than they were so they went broke first; bankrupcy defeated the Soviet Empire just as it is defeating us now 2 decades later, we just had a bit more money. They overspent trying to keep up with our spending and it was their undoing. If you want to call that 'defeating' the Soviets, then by all means but I think most would disagree on that definition.