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Looks like Clinton would be their hero based on their goofy teabagging protests.
Alas,
They bitched and moaned under Clinton.
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When Clinton /Newt were running the show, we had the most fiscally responsible situation going on.
However, alot of that had to do with the money from the DOT.com boom that imploded.
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When Clinton /Newt were running the show, we had the most fiscally responsible situation going on.
However, alot of that had to do with the money from the DOT.com boom that imploded.
Makes you wonder where all the Bill Clinton signs were at these TeaBagger rallies and why the unhealthy fantasy of Reagan, the mythological Conservative. ???
Oh how I kid, you Republicans!
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Makes you wonder where all the Bill Clinton signs were at these TeaBagger rallies and why the unhealthy fantasy of Reagan, the mythological Conservative. ???
Oh how I kid, you Republicans!
Actually, in retrospect, they were talking about welfare reform, balanced budgets, etc.
I wish we could have Newt/clinton again.
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Makes you wonder where all the Bill Clinton signs were at these TeaBagger rallies and why the unhealthy fantasy of Reagan, the mythological Conservative. ???
Oh how I kid, you Republicans!
You are 100% correct TA!
Sadly , the extreme right wing is more about the style and method over results.
Praise the LORD and pass the ammo. ;D
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You are 100% correct TA!
Sadly , the extreme right wing is more about the style and method over results.
Praise the LORD and pass the ammo. ;D
The difference is look who controlled the congress.
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Many of us appreciated the budget surpluses under Clinton. Clinton leading a republican controlled congress seemed to work fairly well in hindsight. Unfortunately whats happening now is completely different. All these charts showing less spending and better budget control under Democrats (primarily Clinton's reign) will be thrown out with what Obama is doing. Obama isn't limiting spending anywhere...with a democrat in office we expected some decrease in military spending at least. Nope, Obama is the biggest spender we have seen in office yet. People may not grasp it yet but wait till they are hammered with deficit #s over the next 2 yrs. Hopefully it paves the way for a new congressional make-up in 2010. More blue dog democrats and true economic conservative republicans.
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Clinton was a two-faced arsehole, admittedly the surplus was good, his foreign policy sucked.
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Clinton was a two-faced arsehole, admittedly the surplus was good, his foreign policy sucked.
Selling the missle tech to China was probably the worst along with the selling of the lincoln bedroom.
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Selling the missle tech to China was probably the worst along with the selling of the lincoln bedroom.
Kosovo was one of the worst things done in the last few decades, Somalia...well that is STILL going on, Columbia (a forgotten chapter)...NAFTA/WTF front man...initiator of the destruction of Mexico and the list in just endless....
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Clinton kind-of gave me the feeling that he couldn't be completely trusted. Especially after how he so convincingly denied the Lewinsky affair in his address to the public. I would have had more respect for him if he owned up to it. I think the Clintons can be ruthless people...but there's no denying that it was a better fiscal time (which is probably most important to me).
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Reagan had a deficit because he had to increase military spending to record numbers.He was in the process of defeating the soviets by himself.Clinton was a decent president.However,it was his[and the other lib democrats] pushing of the community reinvestment act that is THE REASON for the housing crisis and the economic mess we are in now.BUSH WAS NOT A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE!!!No one,thinks he was.By the way,Clinton raised taxes on the middle class after promising he wouldnt.Perhaps thats why those on the right dont like him.
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Reagan had a deficit because he had to increase military spending to record numbers.He was in the process of defeating the soviets by himself.Clinton was a decent president.However,it was his[and the other lib democrats] pushing of the community reinvestment act that is THE REASON for the housing crisis and the economic mess we are in now.BUSH WAS NOT A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE!!!No one,thinks he was.By the way,Clinton raised taxes on the middle class after promising he wouldnt.Perhaps thats why those on the right dont like him.
Reagan did not defeat the Soviets; their lack of money and ideological rigidity did.
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Reagan did not defeat the Soviets; their lack of money and ideological rigidity did.
They could not keep up because capitilism is better than communism in generating money.
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They could not keep up because capitilism is better than communism in generating money.
That's one reason. Now it's our turn. We are broke and our empire is helping to bankrupt us. Only this time we in part only have ourselves to thank.
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Mikhail Gorbachev ended the Cold War by abandoning the Brezhnev Doctrine and by championing Glasnost. Reagan`s involvement was more on a mythological level created rather fictitiously in the hopes of downplaying the proxy war he was fighting with the Soviets by funding Afghanistan rebels, propping up Bin Laden and his army.
Reagan helped create the bedrock sentiment for Al-Quaeda`s hatred toward America. Not really much of a hero considering what has happened during the past decade in mid-east relations and terrorism.
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Mikhail Gorbachev ended the Cold War by abandoning the Brezhnev Doctrine and by championing Glasnost. Reagan`s involvement was more on a mythological level created rather fictitiously in the hopes of downplaying the proxy war he was fighting with the Soviets by funding Afghanistan rebels, propping up Bin Laden and his army.
Reagan helped create the bedrock sentiment for Al-Quaeda`s hatred toward America. Not really much of a hero considering what has happened during the past decade in mid-east relations and terrorism.
Let me guess, you loved Carter???
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America was running a war deficit after 2002.
Notice how the big drop came after 9-11 and after the Iraq war stated.
now it is running a war deficit and a spending deficit.
Much larger tax increases will be required to offset the spending then the ones Obama is asking for.
I don't think worrying about how Bush blew the budget is as big a deal as how Obama is not going to fix the problem.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/20/AR2009032001820.html?hpid=topnews
The CBO is the official scorekeeper for budgeting on Capitol Hill, and the new report could complicate efforts to win congressional approval for Obama's $3.6 trillion request for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1. While Obama had predicted a deficit of nearly $1.2 trillion for 2010, the CBO puts next year's budget gap at nearly $1.4 trillion. And this year's deficit is now projected to soar past $1.8 trillion, or 13 percent of the economy -- the deepest well of red ink since the end of World War II.
A treasury official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the White House had been consulted as the report was being finalized.
"We certainly have consulted with the White House," the official said.
Asked what the Democratic administration considers an acceptable margin of fluctuation between the yuan and the dollar, he said: "I don't have any range."
The Chinese Yuan will also have to be delt with.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/090416/usa/us_government_trade_forex_china_2
But the National Association of Manufacturers slammed the decision not to brand China a currency manipulator.
"While we recognize the delicacy of the global financial situation, today?s decision was a missed opportunity to provide the basis for moving ahead to address China?s currency within international institutions," said NAM president John Engler.
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Let me guess, you loved Carter???
I am a realist when I analyze history. We can`t run away from the facts that Reagan sold heavy Weapons to Iranian mullahs, propped up Bin Laden as the Reagan administration was feeding billions of dollars in arms to Afghanistan's Islamic resistance empowering the mujahedeen and then diverted the profits to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua, then decided to sell weapons to Saddam Hussein sending Rumsfeld as emissary and weapon broker what Oliver North was to Iran. Let us not also forget when he gave Haig the go ahead for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, spilling over into Beirut, and then our Marine barracks get bombed and then Reagan backs down and runs away when there was a legitimate attack against our troops. Fast Forward to today, we are paying for Reagan, the mythological heroes mistakes, by the gallon full of blood. So is the rest of the Middle East. One of the worst Presidents in History and will be seen as such as more Classified documents during his terms are being released. Among Historians, he is slipping quite fast as present events are panning out as a direct result of his meddling.
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I am a realist when I analyze history. We can`t run away from the facts that Reagan sold heavy Weapons to Iranian mullahs, propped up Bin Laden as the Reagan administration was feeding billions of dollars in arms to Afghanistan's Islamic resistance empowering the mujahedeen and then diverted the profits to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua, then decided to sell weapons to Saddam Hussein sending Rumsfeld as emissary and weapon broker what Oliver North was to Iran. Let us not also forget when he gave Haig the go ahead for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, spilling over into Beirut, and then our Marine barracks get bombed and then Reagan backs down and runs away when there was a legitimate attack against our troops. Fast Forward to today, we are paying for Reagan, the mythological heroes mistakes, by the gallon full of blood. So is the rest of the Middle East. One of the worst Presidents in History and will be seen as such as more Classified documents during his terms are being released. Among Historians, he is slipping quite fast as present events are panning out as a direct result of his meddling.
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They're all guilty. Obama is just as much an imperialist as anyone else...
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I am a realist when I analyze history. We can`t run away from the facts that Reagan sold heavy Weapons to Iranian mullahs, propped up Bin Laden as the Reagan administration was feeding billions of dollars in arms to Afghanistan's Islamic resistance empowering the mujahedeen and then diverted the profits to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua, then decided to sell weapons to Saddam Hussein sending Rumsfeld as emissary and weapon broker what Oliver North was to Iran. Let us not also forget when he gave Haig the go ahead for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, spilling over into Beirut, and then our Marine barracks get bombed and then Reagan backs down and runs away when there was a legitimate attack against our troops. Fast Forward to today, we are paying for Reagan, the mythological heroes mistakes, by the gallon full of blood. So is the rest of the Middle East. One of the worst Presidents in History and will be seen as such as more Classified documents during his terms are being released. Among Historians, he is slipping quite fast as present events are panning out as a direct result of his meddling.
But it was ok for Carter and Clinton. :o (I love the hypocrisy). :o
Fact : Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were all presidents of administration's that provided monetary assistance to the Taliban and Mujahadeen. It was U.S. government policy (with consent and authorization by Congress) to aid Afghanistan's efforts to eradicate opium. It was also policy to provide assistance to the groups to fight against the Soviet invasion in the 1970's and 80's and that's when bin Laden was hailed as a hero by the U.S. media and the Democrat congress and President Carter. I guess we all make mistakes sometimes. Of course, when Reagan did it, it MUST mean he was evil and did it deliberately (I love the hypocrisy).
Oh, and by the way.... it was Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and the Democrat party controlled congress who sent money and Redeye missiles to the Afghan Mujahadeen and BIN LADEN PERSONALLY to fight off the Soviets in the 70's and 80's. Some of the leftover missiles have been used to shoot down both civilian aircraft and U.S. helicopters in the last several years. Bush had nothing to do with that, now did he? Thank you Carter and Reagan. "Carter lied and people died" I guess. If someone is going to engage in Bush hating, then they should at least be fair and acknowledge the mistakes of past presidents, mistakes Americans are still dying and paying for.
And, by the way, how many American citizens, including those who deplore Bush today, considered the Taliban or even bin Laden himself evil before 9/11, or before the WTC bombing in 1993. Not many. For most people they were considered "those freedom fighters who fought off the Soviet Union." Actually, most people didn't know what the hell a bin Laden was. My guess is most readers on here felt that way. So before any of us falls into the trap of hypocrisy, we should stop and think first.
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But it was ok for Carter and Clinton. :o (I love the hypocrisy). :o
Fact : Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were all presidents of administration's that provided monetary assistance to the Taliban and Mujahadeen. It was U.S. government policy (with consent and authorization by Congress) to aid Afghanistan's efforts to eradicate opium. It was also policy to provide assistance to the groups to fight against the Soviet invasion in the 1970's and 80's and that's when bin Laden was hailed as a hero by the U.S. media and the Democrat congress and President Carter. I guess we all make mistakes sometimes. Of course, when Reagan did it, it MUST mean he was evil and did it deliberately (I love the hypocrisy).
Oh, and by the way.... it was Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and the Democrat party controlled congress who sent money and Redeye missiles to the Afghan Mujahadeen and BIN LADEN PERSONALLY to fight off the Soviets in the 70's and 80's. Some of the leftover missiles have been used to shoot down both civilian aircraft and U.S. helicopters in the last several years. Bush had nothing to do with that, now did he? Thank you Carter and Reagan. "Carter lied and people died" I guess. If someone is going to engage in Bush hating, then they should at least be fair and acknowledge the mistakes of past presidents, mistakes Americans are still dying and paying for.
And, by the way, how many American citizens, including those who deplore Bush today, considered the Taliban or even bin Laden himself evil before 9/11, or before the WTC bombing in 1993. Not many. For most people they were considered "those freedom fighters who fought off the Soviet Union." Actually, most people didn't know what the hell a bin Laden was. My guess is most readers on here felt that way. So before any of us falls into the trap of hypocrisy, we should stop and think first.
QFT
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I can't believe people are debating which party/president is better or worse. That's like debating that getting stabbed is better than getting shot or eatting shit is worse than drinking piss.
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I can't believe people are debating which party/president is better or worse. That's like debating that getting stabbed is better than getting shot or eatting shit is worse than drinking piss.
qft ;D .. LOL
unfortunately TA falls for party politics.
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qft ;D .. LOL
unfortunately TA falls for party politics.
There was no surplus under clinton... It was all Accounting Fraud. They stole (as they continue to) from the SS trust.
So you have a budget surplus, but your unfunded liabilities goes up because you replaced that money with an IOU.
Adonis you are really slow to have missed this. Do you do any critical thinking or is it just always repeating marxist dogma.
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I can't believe people are debating which party/president is better or worse. That's like debating that getting stabbed is better than getting shot or eatting shit is worse than drinking piss.
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I am a realist when I analyze history. We can`t run away from the facts that Reagan sold heavy Weapons to Iranian mullahs, propped up Bin Laden as the Reagan administration was feeding billions of dollars in arms to Afghanistan's Islamic resistance empowering the mujahedeen and then diverted the profits to fund an illegal war in Nicaragua, then decided to sell weapons to Saddam Hussein sending Rumsfeld as emissary and weapon broker what Oliver North was to Iran. Let us not also forget when he gave Haig the go ahead for the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, spilling over into Beirut, and then our Marine barracks get bombed and then Reagan backs down and runs away when there was a legitimate attack against our troops. Fast Forward to today, we are paying for Reagan, the mythological heroes mistakes, by the gallon full of blood. So is the rest of the Middle East. One of the worst Presidents in History and will be seen as such as more Classified documents during his terms are being released. Among Historians, he is slipping quite fast as present events are panning out as a direct result of his meddling.
(http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2003/03/rumsfeld-saddam.jpge7kf6y.jpg)
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Reagan won the cold war, which at the time was at the forefront. The American people were a little igonorant to the fact of militant Islam. His tax cuts paved the way for the economic recovery which carried into the Clinton administration.
Everybody classifies FDR as winning WWII, but he made a deal with the devil, (of 1946-1989) the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, all too often the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You should read "Sleeping with the Devil" by Robert Baer.
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Reagan won the cold war, which at the time was at the forefront. The American people were a little igonorant to the fact of militant Islam. His tax cuts paved the way for the economic recovery which carried into the Clinton administration.
Everybody classifies FDR as winning WWII, but he made a deal with the devil, (of 1946-1989) the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, all too often the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You should read "Sleeping with the Devil" by Robert Baer.
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Reagan won the cold war, which at the time was at the forefront. The American people were a little igonorant to the fact of militant Islam. His tax cuts paved the way for the economic recovery which carried into the Clinton administration.
Everybody classifies FDR as winning WWII, but he made a deal with the devil, (of 1946-1989) the Soviet Union. Unfortunately, all too often the enemy of my enemy is my friend. You should read "Sleeping with the Devil" by Robert Baer.
His Tax cuts yet continual spending are a big reason we're in the boat today... Why do Republicans say it's ok to cut taxes and spend when it's their guy, but now that Obama's doing it, it's "terrible".
He's doing the same thing Reagan did and you guys would bend over for him in a heart beat.
Why?
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His Tax cuts yet continual spending are a big reason we're in the boat today... Why do Republicans say it's ok to cut taxes and spend when it's their guy, but now that Obama's doing it, it's "terrible".
He's doing the same thing Reagan did and you guys would bend over for him in a heart beat.
Why?
I am all for cutting government spending. I find no man infallible. For Obama to chastise Bush for deficit spending and then break records in spending, just proved Obama is no different than any other man saying anything to get into power. The more the government grows the less rights we have. We as Americans need to understand that bi-partisanly. Reagan was not perfect, but on economic issues and reducing the size of government (spending) he is as close as we may ever come. Funny that Obama claims that he is going to cut the deficit in half, did that include the fact that he quadrupled the deficit first.
I didn't vote for Obama or McCain and until Americans stop falling prey to the "lesser of two evils" mentality nothing will change.
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I am all for cutting government spending. I find no man infallible. For Obama to chastise Bush for deficit spending and then break records in spending, just proved Obama is no different than any other man saying anything to get into power. The more the government grows the less rights we have. We as Americans need to understand that bi-partisanly. Reagan was not perfect, but on economic issues and reducing the size of government (spending) he is as close as we may ever come. Funny that Obama claims that he is going to cut the deficit in half, did that include the fact that he quadrupled the deficit first.
I didn't vote for Obama or McCain and until Americans stop falling prey to the "lesser of two evils" mentality nothing will change.
QFT