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Anyone here heard of this ?
What is the hCG Diet?
The "true" hCG weight loss diet protocol, researched and developed by Dr. ATW Simeons, consists of a very low calorie diet (VLCD) accompanied by treatments of hCG taken by injections.
While participating in the hCG diet one can expect a loss of .5 to 2 pounds of unwanted fat per day. In addition, the true benefit of the hCG protocol is its ability to help modify the dieter's relationship with food and eating, resulting in easily maintained, long-term weight loss.
hCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin, a hormone produced in great amounts in pregnant females. During pregnancy, the substance almost completely controls the woman's metabolic functions. In non-pregnant persons, research suggests hCG similarly increases the metabolism similar to a pregnant female.
Dr. Simeons' research resulted in concluding that there were 3 different types of fat stored in the body:
- Structural Fat (between organs, etc.)
- Normal Fat (freely used for fuel when needed)
- Abnormal Fat (locked away and not available for use by the metabolism until the other 2 kinds of fat are depleted)
Diets don't normally work for those with Abnormal Fat stores because they lose the wrong kind of fat while dieting. HCG works at the metabolic level to release these abnormal fat stores into the bloodstream to be used as fuel, and this is why a VLCD (very low calorie diet) is needed to accompany the HCG dosage.
Thousands of calories in stored fat are released, and are used by the body or expelled. To keep the fat cells from immediately taking in more fat, the very low fat VLCD is necessary, and personal care products such as lotions and makeup containing animal fat are discouraged. Hcg wants to remove unwanted fat from your body and the fats in make-up, lotions and other such products will diminish optimal results.
Dr. A.T.W. Simeons' research suggests a small, daily injection amount of hCG (approx. 125 IU to 200 IU), results in an average weight loss of .5 to 2 lbs a day when accompanied by a VLCD (very low calorie diet). The hCG injections help stave off any hunger pangs a VLCD may cause because thousands of extra calories begin to flood the system from the abnormal fat being metabolized, so hCG diets are easier to stick to than a traditional healthy diet that simply restricts calories.
The first report on the use of hCG diet for the management of obesity was published in 1954 by the late Dr. ATW Simeons. While practicing in India, he noticed that the so-called "fat boys," who showed Adiposogenital dystrophy showed improvement when they were treated with hCG. But he also observed their body fat distribution and he felt it needed further research.
Dr. Simeons extended his investigations to patients showing different degrees of obesity, and concluded that hCG might be useful for the treatment of obesity due to various encourgaging observations sunsequently leading to his confidence in publishing these resutls for his peers. Shortly thereafter, Dr. Simeons and his family relocated to Rome, Italy where he began to expand his practice into the treatment of obesity.
After the first report on hCG use for obesity treatment, an innumerable amount Physicians all over the world visited Dr. Simeons in Italy, to learn first hand the hCG original protocol. Many of them failed because they altered his protocol.
Dr. Simeons suggested that the hCG diet, acting at hypothalamic level, might correct the basic hypothalamic disorder, and consequently adipose tissue metabolism.
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bwhahaahahah, why the fuck would any sane guy inject hormones that make him feel like a pregnant woman?
Just go running, you lazy bastard.
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its what bb use to increase test production in the testes.
i imagine a weekly shot of test would have the same effect.
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its what bb use to increase test production in the testes.
i imagine a weekly shot of test would have the same effect.
I know, but why should you inject any hormones into your body when you can reach the same by running and eating right and being healthier by doing that as opposed to causing god knows what by injecting.
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The Clen, Winny, Tren diet is better.
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I know, but why should you inject any hormones into your body when you can reach the same by running and eating right and being healthier by doing that as opposed to causing god knows what by injecting.
Breakfast of Champions...
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The Clen, Winny, Tren diet is better.
builds more muscle as well i would say.
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I know, but why should you inject any hormones into your body when you can reach the same by running and eating right and being healthier by doing that as opposed to causing god knows what by injecting.
AHAHAHAHA! FEIGE!
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I know, but why should you inject any hormones into your body when you can reach the same by running and eating right and being healthier by doing that as opposed to causing god knows what by injecting.
calm down gloria ;D
i didn't say i want to try it, but 2 lbs fat loss from abnormal/stubborn fat a day is very impressive.
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AHAHAHAHA! FEIGE!
oh boy. How old are you? 4?
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oh boy. How old are you? 4?
kein sin fur humor? :'(
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kein sin fur humor? :'(
Humor? Welcher Humor? Der muss bei den Negerkindern im Stall geblieben sein.
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Humor? Welcher Humor? Der muss bei den Negerkindern im Stall geblieben sein.
oder du bist nur ein mispot
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its what bb use to increase test production in the testes.
i imagine a weekly shot of test would have the same effect.
just eat less man
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Should call it the Jerk Off 10x a Day and Shag All Night Diet. HCG will kick your nuts into overdrive. Aromatization from the increased testosterone production might need to be addressed, desensitization of the testicles to LH (although unlikely at low doses), effects on the hypothalamus, pituitary, and other endocrine bits and pieces might be a concern.
This is something to use to combat hypogonadism or as a cycle adjunct. I don't see why a LH analogue would do anything for fat loss beyond increasing T level and I never noticed any difference with its use. I think this guy is just looking to make money and he has wisely chosen a drug which may be minimally effective but which will give you a kick in the pants so you'll believe in it and keep coming back.
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yip yip - its true and does work.
studies back it :)
http://www.hcgobesity.org/hcg_obesity.pdf
Abstract
Female obese volunteers participating in a double blind study, and submitted to the administration of an oral presentation of hCG (Human Choriogonadotropin) plus a VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet), decreased specific body circumferences and skinfold thickness from conspicuous body areas more efficiently than Placebo+VLCD -treated subjects.
Since a significant fat proportion from total body fat is subcutaneously located (50 to 65 percent, depending on sex and fat distribution), this hCG metabolic activity would result in a reduction of the total body fat mass, the main cause for obesity. We suggested that the combination of a VLCD and oral hCG could not only trigger clinically significant changes in subcutaneous fat stores but simultaneously decrease body weight and modelate body contour.
hCG oral administration proved to be a safe and effective procedure on obese treated volunteers. No side effects were observed in the course of the study. There are no reports in the literature regarding this administration route to compare our findings.
Compared to placebo treated subjects, volunteers managed with an oral administration of hCG coped more efficiently with daily irritating situations, were in a better mood, and handled home conflicts without stepping up family discussions.
also this is an oral hcg - where can i buy this ??? i hate needles >:(
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I know, but why should you inject any hormones into your body when you can reach the same by running and eating right and being healthier by doing that as opposed to causing god knows what by injecting.
Exactly! People discuss weight loss endlessly, coming up with more and more fancy theories and new recommendations for drug cocktails, when it's a simple thing to achieve by way of eating lesser and doing more work. Fat Panda, do you really need drugs and hormones to lose a bit of fat?
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Just drink your chicks piss.
Its alot cheaper.
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HCG + GHB + Cocaine + Levitra= 12hrs of sweat drenched, mattress-ruining sex. That's what I heard any way...
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yip yip - its true and does work.
studies back it :)
http://www.hcgobesity.org/hcg_obesity.pdf
Abstract
Female obese volunteers participating in a double blind study, and submitted to the administration of an oral presentation of hCG (Human Choriogonadotropin) plus a VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet), decreased specific body circumferences and skinfold thickness from conspicuous body areas more efficiently than Placebo+VLCD -treated subjects.
Since a significant fat proportion from total body fat is subcutaneously located (50 to 65 percent, depending on sex and fat distribution), this hCG metabolic activity would result in a reduction of the total body fat mass, the main cause for obesity. We suggested that the combination of a VLCD and oral hCG could not only trigger clinically significant changes in subcutaneous fat stores but simultaneously decrease body weight and modelate body contour.
hCG oral administration proved to be a safe and effective procedure on obese treated volunteers. No side effects were observed in the course of the study. There are no reports in the literature regarding this administration route to compare our findings.
Compared to placebo treated subjects, volunteers managed with an oral administration of hCG coped more efficiently with daily irritating situations, were in a better mood, and handled home conflicts without stepping up family discussions.
also this is an oral hcg - where can i buy this ??? i hate needles >:(
That presents one sided conclusions for the benefit of http://www.hcgobesity.org. It is a long way from a proper study as you well know. I would be interested in seeing the full text.
No sides of any kind? Less fights with their family? Wtf. Alarm bells should be ringing. This is not a bias free analysis. Your mind seems made already up but you should take a moment imo. This is not aspirin no matter how they package it.
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Just drink your chicks piss.
Its alot cheaper.
If she's pregnant, yes, lol!!
Guys, all kidding aside. HCG is a hormone that occurs in pregnant women. Injecting this and bashing FBB doesn't go along very well.
Just go running, eat jamaican food (i started this a few weeks ago, and it's great) and lift.
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That presents one sided conclusions for the benefit of http://www.hcgobesity.org. It is a long way from a proper study as you well know. I would be interested in seeing the full text.
No sides of any kind? Less fights with their family? Wtf. Alarm bells should be ringing. This is not a bias free analysis. Your mind seems made already up but you should take a moment imo. This is not aspirin no matter how they package it.
Exactly, this is not a proper study to begin with, it was done by the guy running that website...come on. I've seen this refuted on other sites many times, it's complete bullshit IIRC.
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interesting...
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Exactly! People discuss weight loss endlessly, coming up with more and more fancy theories and new recommendations for drug cocktails, when it's a simple thing to achieve by way of eating lesser and doing more work. Fat Panda, do you really need drugs and hormones to lose a bit of fat?
do you really need steroids to build a bit of muscle ? ;D
a very low calorie diet is the fastest way to lose weight - this diet seems to do this without the same negatives of doing it naturally due to the hcg. i.e. no cravings, no mood swings, not nutrient depleting, no crash of the thyroid, no weight rebound, and it burns stubborn fat almost exclusively - are you telling me that doesn't sound interesting ?
yes i know how to diet, i have gotten down to 147lbs before at 5' 11". Thats not the point.
the point is with certain drugs you can do things a hell of a lot easier and quicker than the natural way.
i used to think using drugs was the cheats way ::) now i have grown up.
why waste 4 months when you can do it in 2?
why lift for 10 years to build muscle when a single cycle of test can put the same amount of muscle on you ::)
this is the first time I've heard of hcg having fat loss properties, however as i have been reading about it, it makes sense, and there has actually been a lot of research into hcg and fat loss it seems.
Exactly, this is not a proper study to begin with, it was done by the guy running that website...come on. I've seen this refuted on other sites many times, it's complete bullshit IIRC.
yes he's selling oral hcg, and while it may raise suspicions about his honesty, it also raises possibilities and has lead me to other studies ;)
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It's a scam IMO.
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ive got a friend, not a lifter, but he had been 280+ for a long time. Very tall though, about 6'4. He wanted to lose the weight and decided to do that diet and take the injections. He called me and told me about it, and I warned that hte injections could have side effects, but I really didnt know too much about it. He decided to do it and lost about 65 lbs in 6 months I think.?
Anyways, the next time I saw him he looked like a different person. He was not in bbing shape, but had lost the fat and was thin in the face and in the stomach. The injections are very expensive, and I think he took half doses, so he could use them again later. His Mom also did the same thing and I think has lost a great deal of weight as well.
One thing to note though. I believe the crazy diet this guy has them do has a lot to do with the weight loss. They are on a very low carb diet and eating only organic. In certain phases if you dont lose weight you eat only 5 apples that day. My buddy had eaten a lot of apples to get where he was.
The shots will not produce the results without doing the diet. But for those who are very overweight, taking the hormones might be a healthier choice than staying overweight. You kinda gotta weigh the pros and cons of each.
i've came across loads of pics on line, before and after shots - all certainly improve.
like you say any low calorie diet will make you lose weight - but the hcg seems to target the stubborn fat cells rather than subq etc.
it seems interesting, and has certainly given me some food for thought - pardon the pun.
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ive known several people that have used this diet with great success
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bwhahaahahah, why the fuck would any sane guy inject hormones that make him feel like a pregnant woman?
Just go running, you lazy bastard.
it raises your metabolism as if you were preg. so you burn an insane amount of cal just doing normal stuff
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it raises your metabolism
Bullshit
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Bullshit
no sir it does, just wrap your head around it and then respond
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no sir it does, just wrap your head around it and then respond
You will lose weight on any 'VLCD.' I could see the HCG being useful to maintain a strong androgen level but it is a hormone and should be thought of as such. Of course, you won't make many sales if you advertise it that way. Claims that it is a cure-all or that it has effects which have not been observed make me mistrustful of its pushers. It 'targets stubborn fat' and magically 'raises metabolism.' These are empty claims imo.
Same old story of people cashing in on obesity. HCG is dirt cheap. So how much are these guys charging to tell you to eat less, I wonder?
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You will lose weight on any 'VLCD.' I could see the HCG being useful to maintain a strong androgen level but it is a hormone and should be thought of as such. Of course, you won't make many sales if you advertise it that way. Claims that it is a cure-all or that it has effects which have not been observed make me mistrustful of its pushers. It 'targets stubborn fat' and magically 'raises metabolism.' These are empty claims imo.
Same old story of people cashing in on obesity. HCG is dirt cheap. So how much are these guys charging to tell you to eat less, I wonder?
ive seen it work in person, have you???
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do you really need steroids to build a bit of muscle ? ;D
Hmmm I don't know if I should be offended that you call me a liar and accuse me of juicing or if I should take that as a compliment which is back-handed.
But to answer the question, No you don't - anyone who is juicing without having any intention of competing is just being stupid, even though the choice is their's to make.
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ive seen it work in person, have you???
Of course it works. They're not eating anything.
If people want to use it then go for it, but I think it's a crappy thing for doctors to exploit their patient's ignorance.
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Of course it works. They're not eating anything.
If people want to use it then go for it, but I think it's a crappy thing for doctors to exploit their patient's ignorance.
its a restricted diet, yes but what it does is keeps your BMR high where as in a normal diet your BMR will adjust to a lower level and your loses will stagnate, but with this your BMR stays high to keep burning fat
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its a restricted diet, yes but what it does is keeps your BMR high where as in a normal diet your BMR will adjust to a lower level and your loses will stagnate, but with this your BMR stays high to keep burning fat
If you mean it will help maintain muscle because it regulates testosterone production, then yes, but I don't know of any HCG effects on thyroid hormones or how it would target one kind of fat over another, why someone wouldn't have cravings while starving, why they would have less arguments with their family, etc...
An ethical doc would tell his patients to eat nutritionally beneficial, calorie sparse foods and exercise regularly, but no one wants to hear that. People think they have to take extreme measures, use shots or pills, endure massive deprivation, eat only 5 apples all day, etc.
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If you mean it will help maintain muscle because it regulates testosterone production, then yes, but I don't know of any HCG effects on thyroid hormones or how it would target one kind of fat over another, why someone wouldn't have cravings while starving, why they would have less arguments with their family, etc...
An ethical doc would tell his patients to eat nutritionally beneficial, calorie sparse foods and exercise regularly, but no one wants to hear that. People think they have to take extreme measures, use shots or pills, endure massive deprivation, eat only 5 apples all day, etc.
lol if you think that most doc's practice in an "ethical" manor than you have another thing coming. 99% of overweight or obese patients are on a pill NOT on a regimented diet prescribed by their dr.
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lol if you think that most doc's practice in an "ethical" manor than you have another thing coming. 99% of overweight or obese patients are on a pill NOT on a regimented diet prescribed by their dr.
Nice Avatar. :D
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lol if you think that most doc's practice in an "ethical" manor than you have another thing coming. 99% of overweight or obese patients are on a pill NOT on a regimented diet prescribed by their dr.
Yep. Got fat from one industry shoving crap down their gullets, then get shunted off to the next industry to help them with 'their' problem. Bought & sold.
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It's a gimmick. Not to refute science, but published peer reviewed studies aren't the be all end all. There are tons of flaws in millions of fucked up studies. Look at all the fat douchers on YouTube communities doing the "HCG diet" too HAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Bunch of retarded fat asses who tried nothing and ran out of ideas.
Just eat sensibly and get in a bit of exercise each day. People often think that the most eccentric, outlandish ideas are the only ones that work. People are too quick to deviate from the simple route... it's all about consistency. You can eat take out every day, fuck counting calories and eye ball the food you eat and lose an appreciable amount of fat with little to no effort.
I do eat clean but when I'm lazy, I'll eat McDicks, junk food, skip cardio, etc and I stay at a reasonable level of bodyfat. I am well conditioned but at the same time, if I slack off it's not the end of the world because I'm otherwise consistent. When I see people who do NO aerobic or anaerobic activity, follow NO dietary structure and have out NO effort into losing fat it makes me roll my eyes in disgust. I'm not elitist or anything, I'm not a brainiac, but it doesn't take genius to know that a bit of hard work and consistency are the key to changing your disgustingly fat, slothful composition to something that isn't vomit inducing.
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Female friend of mine did it and also lost a considerable amount of weight on it!
I think she gained back a few pounds in the meantime though after she stopped to do it.