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US wants Iran hostage suit tossed out
The Associated Press
Wed, Apr 22, 2009 (3:03 p.m.)
The Obama administration has asked a federal judge to throw out a lawsuit against Iran filed by Americans held hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran 30 years ago.
The request comes in a $6.6 billion class-action lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Washington. Fifty-two American diplomats and military officials were held captive for more than a year at the end of Jimmy Carter's presidency by a group of Islamist students who supported the Iranian revolution.
The hostages were released on Jan. 20, 1981, just minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as the new president.
In court papers filed Tuesday night without any announcement, the Justice Department argued that the agreement to release the hostages, known as the Algiers Accords, precluded lawsuits against Iran.
A similar lawsuit brought by the Iranian hostages was dismissed in 2000 after the government successfully argued it was banned by the Algiers Accords. The hostages argue that legislation passed by Congress last year and signed into law by President George W. Bush gives them the right to bring private lawsuits.
But the Justice Department argued that the law does not mention the Algiers Accords, much less explicitly repeal them.
"The gratitude of the United States for the service and dedication of these brave individuals cannot be overstated, nor can the suffering and abuse they endured on behalf of this country be exaggerated; these matters are beyond dispute," the Justice Department wrote in its filing.
The hostages argue that Iran supported their confinement and abuse, with visits from government officials, stays in government prisons and buildings and threats of trial in Iranian courts. The lawsuit says current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was one of their interrogators.
The lawsuit says the hostages were tortured, beaten sometimes until they lost consciousness and kept in fear of their lives, at times even lined up in front of marksmen locking their guns. It says they were imprisoned without adequate food, clothing or medical care, blindfolded with their hands tied, interrogated for hours at a time and kept in isolation for months at a time.
The original plaintiffs are three of the hostages _ Charles Scott of Jonesboro, Ga., David Roeder of Alexandria, Va., and Don Sharer of Mansfield, Texas _ and the wife and daughter of another hostage, Barry Rosen, from New York City.
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Unfreaking real. Let the court decide this.
ZERO is a disgrace.
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He's fast become the worst shitbag to ever hold office.
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He's fast become the worst shitbag to ever hold office.
Can I call him a terrorists sympathizer now????
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I'm betting the second the lawsuits are dropped, the "journalist" with the 8-year sentence gets her time commuted and she is set free.
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Can I call him a terrorists sympathizer now????
Yes u may.....
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HH hows Korea these days?
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I'm betting the second the lawsuits are dropped, the "journalist" with the 8-year sentence gets her time commuted and she is set free.
Screw that crap. So these hostages have their rights abrogated so ZERO can get out of a present jam????
Truly disturbing, disgraceful, and disgusting.
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HH hows Korea these days?
As crap as it always was... :-X ;D
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Truly disturbing, disgraceful, and disgusting.
Nice alliteration. :)
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I'm betting the second the lawsuits are dropped, the "journalist" with the 8-year sentence gets her time commuted and she is set free.
didnt you in another thread say something to the effect that 2 wrongs dont make a right?
Now they do?
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didnt you in another thread say something to the effect that 2 wrongs dont make a right?
Now they do?
settle down shirley.
i didn't say this was right. I said watch some silly shit like this happen.
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settle down shirley.
i didn't say this was right. I said watch some silly shit like this happen.
Its wrong. americans should not have their legal rights in court shot down because Obama needs to free a hostage in an unrelated matter.
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Its wrong. americans should not have their legal rights in court shot down because Obama needs to free a hostage in an unrelated matter.
there is no evidence that's the case.
i'm just saying, watch some silly shit like this happen at the same week. odd to hear this request after 30 years, particurly at the same time hilary and obama are arguing with iran behind the scenes about this 'reporter'.
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The hostages have already been awarded part of 2.5 billion dollars through the Iran-United States Claims Tribunal and the release of the hostages was dependent upon the Algiers Accord which was an agreement that Iran and the United States would drop all further lawsuits.
Here is a little info about the Tribunal.
Iran-United States Claims Tribunal
The Iran-United States Claims Tribunal is an international arbitral tribunal established out of an agreement between Iran and the United States, under an understanding known as the Algiers Accords of January 19, 1981. The Algiers Accords were the outcome of negotiations between Iran and the United States, mediated by Algeria, to resolve a hostage crisis. In exchange for the release of the hostages by Iran, the United States agreed to unfreeze Iranian assets. The tribunal was established to resolve claims by United States nationals for compensation for assets nationalized by the Iranian government, and claims by the governments against each other; any national court proceedings were nullified by the declarations. This was necessary in part because a large part of the frozen Iranian funds had already been transferred by United States courts to United States nationals as compensation; the declarations resulted in the reversal of all these United States court decisions.
The seat of the Tribunal is The Hague. It held its first meeting in the Peace Palace on July 1, 1981; in April 1982, it moved to its own premises in The Hague.
The Tribunal is composed of nine arbitrators: three appointed by Iran, three appointed by the United States, and a further three (neither Iranian nor United States nationals) appointed by the previous six arbitrators. The Tribunal hears individual cases in the formation of three-member chambers; it meets as a full tribunal to consider disputes between the two governments, and cases referred from the chambers.
The Tribunal closed to new claims by private individuals on January 19, 1982. In total, it received approximately 4,700 private US claims. The Tribunal has ordered payments by Iran to US nationals totaling over USD 2.5 billion. Almost all private claims have now been resolved; but several intergovernmental claims are still before the Tribunal.
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Its wrong. americans should not have their legal rights in court shot down because Obama needs to free a hostage in an unrelated matter.
They already have their legal settlements. The United States has no further power to represent their claims.
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Does anyone think for a minute that Iran would actually pay the money that would be awarded?
I mean seriously.
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Does anyone think for a minute that Iran would actually pay the money that would be awarded?
I mean seriously.
They already did under the claims Tribunal.
The United States has no more legal authority to represent the hostages.
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there is no evidence that's the case.
i'm just saying, watch some silly shit like this happen at the same week. odd to hear this request after 30 years, particurly at the same time hilary and obama are arguing with iran behind the scenes about this 'reporter'.
You keep making excuses for Obama because you voted for him and what do you get in return.............shit on by him.
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there is no evidence that's the case.
i'm just saying, watch some silly shit like this happen at the same week. odd to hear this request after 30 years, particurly at the same time hilary and obama are arguing with iran behind the scenes about this 'reporter'.
240,
In all honestly , what happened to you ?
As the shit that you are defending lately, is unreal.
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There is another superceding law that the hostages think properly addressed their claims.
What is wrong with the court deciding this on the merits as opposed to pressure from DOJ?
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There is another superceding law that the hostages think properly addressed their claims.
What is wrong with the court deciding this on the merits as opposed to pressure from DOJ?
dude. they got their 2.5 bil. Wrap it up already.
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There is another superceding law that the hostages think properly addressed their claims.
What is wrong with the court deciding this on the merits as opposed to pressure from DOJ?
Just curious....How do you view slave reparations to African Americans and were former slaves represented justly and compensated accordingly?
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Just curious....How do you view slave reparations to African Americans and were former slaves represented justly and compensated accordingly?
ship em back to africa
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Just curious....How do you view slave reparations to African Americans and were former slaves represented justly and compensated accordingly?
The slaves are all dead. The hostages are all still alive.
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The slaves are all dead. The hostages are all still alive.
Would you have awarded slaves anything? Just curious.
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Would you have awarded slaves anything? Just curious.
If they were alive at the time, I dont know from a legal point of view since slavery was legal. However, you simply cant expect slaves to get freed and be anything but disfunctional people without a lot of help thereafter.
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If they were alive at the time, I dont know from a legal point of view since slavery was legal.
Legal doesn't mean much.
Hitler passed laws which meant that everything he did was legal.
The rest of the world sure didn't see it that way, of course.
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If they were alive at the time, I dont know from a legal point of view since slavery was legal. However, you simply cant expect slaves to get freed and be anything but disfunctional people without a lot of help thereafter.
Well from a legal standpoint, the Iranian hostages were already compensated and the Algerian Accords which was the agreement that Iran and the United States agreed upon, prevented additional lawsuits.
I don`t understand the "outrage" here since the United States government is powerless to further represent the Hostages. There is nothing more they can do by law.
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Well from a legal standpoint, the Iranian hostages were already compensated and the Algerian Accords which was the agreement that Iran and the United States agreed upon, prevented additional lawsuits.
I don`t understand the "outrage" here since the United States government is powerless to further represent the Hostages. There is nothing more they can do by law.
from what I understan d, there was law passed during the GWB era alllowing these things to proceed. I have to check it out though.
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from what I understan d, there was law passed during the GWB era alllowing these things to proceed. I have to check it out though.
If we break the Algiers Accord, The United States government also opens itself up to paying out lawsuits to Iran.
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Would you have awarded slaves anything? Just curious.
The slaves were offered reparations.
40 acres and mule or being sent back to Liberia.
Some states went against the government act and in the end it was mostly revoked.
Most slaves couldn't read and had no where to sell their crops.
But you make it sound like nothing happened.
You are always comparing this that aren't related.
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The slaves were offered reparations.
40 acres and mule or being sent back to Liberia.
Some states went against the government act and in the end it was mostly revoked.
Most slaves couldn't read and had no where to sell their crops.
But you make it sound like nothing happened.
You are always comparing this that aren't related.
Uh, after Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson rescinded the 400,000 acres of land back to its original "owners".
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Uh, after Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson rescinded the 400,000 acres of land back to its original "owners".
Keep in mind that only temporarily benefited about 18,000 of about 4 million. Johnson took the land away from them so it was no real benefit whatsoever.