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Fox News host and Constitutional Lawyer, Naplolitano also notes that what we did was torture according to law.
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Fox News host and Constitutional Lawyer, Naplolitano also notes that what we did was torture according to law.
Nepolitano?That f'n idiot doesnt think jumping the border is illegal.What the fuck does she know about anything?That fucking rat bitch wont use the word terrorism,its man caused dissaster.Please,dont insult us by invoking that lame brains opinions.
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I agree with this guy... We're America and we don't do this shit.
If we do, then we're no better than the neanderthals.
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Fox News host and Constitutional Lawyer, Naplolitano also notes that what we did was torture according to law.
Judge Naplolitano is a huge Ron Paul supporter.
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Nepolitano?That f'n idiot doesnt think jumping the border is illegal.What the fuck does she know about anything?That fucking rat bitch wont use the word terrorism,its man caused dissaster.Please,dont insult us by invoking that lame brains opinions.
wha?
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Judge Naplolitano is a huge Ron Paul supporter.
Ron Paul is what the Republican Party should model itself after, but instead they would rather be prehistoric shitbrains.
Ron Paul is against torture and recognizes that it was being carried out.
I agree with Paul on several issues and differ with some, but he at least is open to new evidence and evaluation of the facts.
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Ron Paul is what the Republican Party should model itself after, but instead they would rather be prehistoric shitbrains.
Ron Paul is against torture and recognizes that it was being carried out.
I agree with Paul on several issues and differ with some, but he at least is open to new evidence and evaluation of the facts.
RP is shit
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RP is shit
why have you turned on him lalely? Are you still on about all those secret handshakes and stuff?
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Ron Paul is what the Republican Party should model itself after, but instead they would rather be prehistoric shitbrains.
Ron Paul is against torture and recognizes that it was being carried out.
I agree with Paul on several issues and differ with some, but he at least is open to new evidence and evaluation of the facts.
Did you watch the debate video's regarding the issue of the 9/11 atacks and such. Ron got slammed hard for voicing these types of opinions but stuck his ground. That's when my respect toward him went up 10 fold.
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why have you turned on him lalely? Are you still on about all those secret handshakes and stuff?
Never was on any handshakes.
I see what this movement is all about. It's a farce if I've ever seen one. Now that FOX News has taken over and RP seems to be fine with it. This is a disgrace to everything he supposedly stands for. He's a part of the machine. I'm ashamed I didn't see it sooner. There are no heroes in politics.
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Never was on any handshakes.
I see what this movement is all about. It's a farce if I've ever seen one. Now that FOX News has taken over and RP seems to be fine with it. Is a disgrace to everything he supposedly stands for. He's a part of the machine. I'm ashamed I didn't see it sooner. There are no heroes in politics.
No idea how you derived that he is "part of the machine".
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wha?
Oh,sorry,I thought it was the dumb Nepolitano thats in charge of homeland security.
Heres a question.All the libs are bent out of shape at waterboarding.Please tell me whats worse,waterboarding or dropping to atomic bombs on Japan.
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No idea how you derived that he is "part of the machine".
false opposition.
He wouldn't be able to operate if there weren't some higher ups allowing him to do so. He's a parasite like the rest of them. A lifer working in the government. Tricking people to believe in something that isn't practical.
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remember how reviled Fox was?
Now you have every right winger jumping on. While the government is taking names and tapping phones.
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Nepolitano?That f'n idiot doesnt think jumping the border is illegal.What the fuck does she know about anything?That fucking rat bitch wont use the word terrorism,its man caused dissaster.Please,dont insult us by invoking that lame brains opinions.
Different "Nepolitano"
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Different "Nepolitano"
Yeah,I corrected it above.She is so dam sexy I must have her on the mind.
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Yeah,I corrected it above.She is so dam sexy I must have her on the mind.
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Sometimes I get the impression Shepherd Smith is thinking something like, "If I didn't need this money, I would be out of this Fox shithole in a second" I've seen him come unglued like that a few times before. Then there's that other guy, don't know his name, that couldn't stand the bullshit that day on their morning segment and got up and walked out. lol.
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Anybody here get tortured, anybody...for any reason. Anybody know somebody who got tortured. I'll then assume everybody here is happy not getting blown up or glowing right?......stop worrying about what happens to terrorist shitbags who want to kill u....these people hate u..they want to kill u...And please, what the fuck does "we're Americans, we don't torture" mean. We dropped two A bombs, we've used flamethrowers, we use cluster bombs and landmines...we've overthrown countries...killed or installed dictators...we do whats best for us and our economy. I could care less....
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Oh,sorry,I thought it was the dumb Nepolitano thats in charge of homeland security.
Heres a question.All the libs are bent out of shape at waterboarding.Please tell me whats worse,waterboarding or dropping to atomic bombs on Japan.
Who is going to drop an atomic bomb on Japan?
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Anybody here get tortured, anybody...for any reason. Anybody know somebody who got tortured. I'll then assume everybody here is happy not getting blown up or glowing right?......stop worrying about what happens to terrorist shitbags who want to kill u....these people hate u..they want to kill u...And please, what the fuck does "we're Americans, we don't torture" mean. We dropped two A bombs, we've used flamethrowers, we use cluster bombs and landmines...we've overthrown countries...killed or installed dictators...we do whats best for us and our economy. I could care less....
You could care less because about human suffering as an aggregate. That is a pretty sick mentality and it is apparent that you may have extreme mental problems if you have a blatant disregard for life, regardless of what geographical location they happen to hail from.
You are akin to a sociopath and a psychopath as they have the same apathetic view towards life.
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I live in the real world...every been to the Middle East...life is cheap. Leftist idiost like u would end up as camel food. I could careless about anybody that wants to do harm to this country....morons like u have no idea what life is really like.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it.
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Furthermore a Nuclear weapon of Hiroshima proportions requires a delivery system and a technology to which no terrorist organization has either capability.
I am not aware of a terrorist Air Force either. You people live for the fear and operate on total irrationality. You people really are like children.
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The CIA briefed top Democrats and Republicans on the congressional intelligence committees on enhanced interrogation techniques more than 30 times, according to intelligence sources, who said those members tacitly approved the techniques which some Democrats in Congress now say should land Bush administration officials in prison.
Between 2002 and 2006, the top Republicans and Democrats on the House and Senate intelligence committees “each got complete, benchmark briefings on the program,” said one of the intelligence sources who is familiar with the briefings. ..
Wow,,,guess the Dems agree about torture as well.
TA....are u serious. First off u missed his point and second, nobody is dropping a bomb...but u can smuggle in just one bomb and level central LA...or NYC. What friggen planet are u from.
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I live in the real world...every been to the Middle East...life is cheap. Leftist idiost like u would end up as camel food. I could careless about anybody that wants to do harm to this country....morons like u have no idea what life is really like.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it.
You do not provide any freedom nor are you "fighting for my freedom". In fact, by the way you think, act and vote you are laying the ground work to limit my freedom. George Washington fought for my freedom. Not you.
Furthermore, there is only one world. There is no fake world. Anyone who is conscious is able to perceive reality and base their judgment according to their own value system. You do not set the standards.
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The CIA briefed top Democrats and Republicans on the congressional intelligence committees on enhanced interrogation techniques more than 30 times, according to intelligence sources, who said those members tacitly approved the techniques which some Democrats in Congress now say should land Bush administration officials in prison.
Between 2002 and 2006, the top Republicans and Democrats on the House and Senate intelligence committees “each got complete, benchmark briefings on the program,” said one of the intelligence sources who is familiar with the briefings. ..
Wow,,,guess the Dems agree about torture as well.
TA....are u serious. First off u missed his point and second, nobody is dropping a bomb...but u can smuggle in just one bomb and level central LA...or NYC. What friggen planet are u from.
"Suitcase" Nukes are a myth and a total lie.
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A suitcase nuke or suitcase bomb is a very compact and portable nuclear weapon and could have the dimensions of 60 x 40 x 20 centimeters or 24 x 16 x 8 inches. The smallest possible bomb-like object would be a single critical mass of plutonium (or U-233) at maximum density under normal conditions.
The Pu-239 weighs 10.5 kg and is 10.1 cm across. It doesn’t take much more than a single critical mass to cause significant explosions ranging from 10-20 tons. These types of weapons can also be as big as two footlockers.
The warhead of a suitcase nuke or suitcase bomb consists of a tube with two pieces of uranium, which, when rammed together, would cause a blast. Some sort of firing unit and a device that would need to be decoded to cause detonation may be included in the “suitcase.”
Another portable weapon is a “backpack” bomb. The Soviet nuclear backpack system was made in the 1960s for use against NATO targets in time of war and consists of three “coffee can-sized” aluminum canisters in a bag. All three must be connected to make a single unit in order to explode. The detonator is about 6 inches long. It has a 3-to-5 kiloton yield, depending on the efficiency of the explosion. It’s kept powered during storage by a battery line connected to the canisters.
Effects
External radiation occurs when either part of or all of the body is exposed from an external source, such as when a person is standing near the site of where a radiological device such as a suitcase bomb or suitcase nuke is set off and he or she is exposed to radiation, which can be absorbed by the body or can pass completely through it.
Contamination occurs when radioactive materials in the form of solids, liquids or gases are released into the air and contaminate people externally, internally or both. This happens when body parts such as the skin become contaminated and/or if the harmful material gets inside the body via the lungs, gut or wounds.
Incorporation of radioactive material occurs when body cells, tissues and organs such as bone, liver, thyroid or kidney, are contaminated.
Gamma radiation can travel many meters in the air and many centimeters once in human tissue; therefore they represent a major external threat. Dense material is needed as a shield. Beta radiation can travel meters in air and can moderately penetrate human skin, but clothing and some protection can help. Alpha radiation travels a very short distance through the air and can’t penetrate the skin, but can be harmful if inhaled, swallowed or absorbed through open wounds.
Radiation in the first hour after an explosion is about 90 percent, with it going down to about 1 percent of the original level after two days. Radiation only drops to trace levels after 300 hours.
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Suitcase nuclear weapons? Probably a myth
Hollywood, Congress stoke fears of weapon; experts doubt their existence
updated 1:37 p.m. ET, Sat., Nov . 10, 2007
WASHINGTON - Members of Congress have warned about the dangers of suitcase nuclear weapons. Hollywood has made television shows and movies about them. Even the Federal Emergency Management Agency has alerted Americans to a threat — information the White House includes on its Web site.
But government experts and intelligence officials say such a threat gets vastly more attention than it deserves. These officials said a true suitcase nuke would be highly complex to produce, require significant upkeep and cost a small fortune.
Counterproliferation authorities do not completely rule out the possibility that these portable devices once existed. But they do not think the threat remains.
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“The suitcase nuke is an exciting topic that really lends itself to movies,” said Vahid Majidi, the assistant director of the FBI’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate. “No one has been able to truly identify the existence of these devices.”
Majidi and other government officials say the real threat is from a terrorist who does not care about the size of his nuclear detonation and is willing to improvise, using a less deadly and sophisticated device assembled from stolen or black-market nuclear material.
Yet Hollywood has seized on the threat. For example, the Fox thriller “24” devoted its entire last season to Jack Bauer’s hunt for suitcase nukes in Los Angeles.
Government officials have played up the threat, too.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., once said at a hearing that he thought the least likely threat was from an intercontinental ballistic missile. “Perhaps the most likely threat is from a suitcase nuclear weapon in a rusty car on a dock in New York City,” he said.
In a FEMA guide on terrorist disasters that is posted in part on the White House’s Web site, the agency warns that terrorists’ use of a nuclear weapon would “probably be limited to a single smaller ‘suitcase’ weapon.”
“The strength of such a weapon would be in the range of the bombs used during World War II. The nature of the effects would be the same as a weapon delivered by an intercontinental missile, but the area and severity of the effects would be significantly more limited,” the paper says.
The genie that escaped
During the 1960s, intelligence agencies received reports from defectors that Soviet military intelligence officers were carrying portable nuclear devices in suitcases.
The threat was too scary to stay secret, government officials said, and word leaked out. The genie was never put back in the bottle.
But current and former government officials who have not spoken out publicly on the subject acknowledge that no U.S. officials have seen a Soviet-made suitcase nuke.
The idea of portable nuclear devices was not a new one.
In the 1950s and 1960s, the U.S. made the first ones, known as the Special Atomic Demolition Munition. It was a “backpack nuke” that could be used to blow up dams, tunnels or bridges. While one person could lug it on his back, it had to be placed by a two-man team.
These devices never were used and now exist — minus their explosive components — only in a museum.
Following the U.S. lead, the Soviets are believed to have made similar nuclear devices.
Suitcase nukes have been a separate problem. They attracted considerable public attention in 1997, thanks to a “60 Minutes” interview and other public statements from retired Gen. Alexander Lebed, once Russia’s national security chief.
Lebed said the separatist government in Chechnya had portable nuclear devices, which led him to create a commission to get to the bottom of the Chechen arsenal, according to a Center for Nonproliferation Studies report. He said that when he ran the security service, the commission could find only 48 of 132 devices.
The numbers varied as he changed his story several times — sometimes he stated that 100 or more were missing. The Russians denied he was ever accurate.
Even more details emerged in the summer of 1998, when former Russian military intelligence officer Stanislav Lunev — a defector in the U.S. witness protection program — wrote in his book that Russian agents were hiding suitcase nukes around the U.S. for use in a possible future conflict.
“I had very clear instructions: These dead-drop positions would need to be for all types of weapons, including nuclear weapons,” Lunev testified during a congressional hearing in California in 2000, according to a Los Angeles Times account.
Naysayers noted that he was never able to pinpoint any specific location.
In a 2004 interview with the Kremlin’s Federal News Service, Colonel-General Viktor Yesin, former head of the Russian strategic rocket troops, said he believes that Lebed’s commission may have been misled by mock-ups of special mines used during training.
Yesin believed that a true suitcase nuke would be too expensive for most countries to produce and would not last more than several months because the nuclear core would decompose so quickly. “Nobody at the present stage seeks to develop such devices,” he asserted.
Some members of Congress remained convinced that the suitcase nuke problem persists. Perhaps chief among these lawmakers was Curt Weldon, a GOP representative from Pennsylvania who lost his seat in 2006.
Weldon was known for carrying around a mock-up of a suitcase nuke made with a briefcase, foil and a pipe. But it was nowhere near the weight of an actual atomic device.
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nuclear suitcases probably exist
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The science
Majidi joined the FBI after leading Los Alamos National Laboratory’s prestigious chemistry division. He uses science to make the case that suitcase nukes are not a top concern.
First, he defines what a Hollywood-esque suitcase nuke would look like: a case about 24 inches by 10 inches by 12 inches, weighing less than 50 pounds, that one person could carry. It would contain a device that could cause a devastating blast.
Nuclear devices are either plutonium, which comes from reprocessing the nuclear material from reactors, or uranium, which comes from gradually enriching that naturally found element.
Majidi says it would take about 22 pounds of plutonium or 130 pounds of uranium to create a nuclear detonation. Both would require explosives to set off the blast, but significantly more for the uranium.
Although uranium is considered easier for terrorists to obtain, it would be too heavy for one person to lug around in a suitcase.
Plutonium, he notes, would require the cooperation of a state with a plutonium reprocessing program. It seems highly unlikely that a country would knowingly cooperate with terrorists because the device would bear the chemical fingerprints of that government. “I don’t think any nation is willing to participate in this type of activity,” Majidi said.
That means the fissile material probably would have to be stolen. “It is very difficult for that much material to walk away,” he added.
There is one more wrinkle: Nuclear devices require a lot of maintenance because the material that makes them so deadly also can wreak havoc on their electrical systems.
“The more compact the devices are — guess what? — the more frequently they need to be maintained. Everything is compactly designed around that radiation source, which damages everything over a period of time,” Majidi said.
Proving a negative
A former CIA director, George Tenet, is convinced that al-Qaida wants to change history with the mushroom cloud of a nuclear attack. In 1998, Osama bin Laden issued a statement called “The Nuclear Bomb of Islam.”
“It is the duty of Muslims to prepare as much force as possible to terrorize the enemies of God,” he said.
Among numerous of avenues of investigation after the Sept. 11 attacks, Tenet said in his memoir that President Bush asked Russian President Vladamir Putin whether he could account for all of Russia’s nuclear material. Choosing his words carefully, Tenet said, Putin replied that he could only account for everything under his watch, leaving a void before 2000.
Intelligence officials continued digging deeper, hearing more reports about al-Qaida’s efforts to get a weapon; that effort, it is believed, has been to no avail, so far.
But intelligence officials are loath to dismiss a threat until they are absolutely sure they have gotten to the bottom of it.
In the case of suitcase nukes, one official said, U.S. experts do not have 100 percent certainty that they have a handle on the Russian arsenal.
‘Like SUV-sized’
Laura Holgate, a vice president at the Nuclear Threat Initiative, says the U.S. has not appropriately prioritized its responses to the nuclear threat and, as a result, is poorly using its scarce resources.
Much to many people’s surprise, she noted, highly enriched uranium — outside of a weapon — is so benign that a person can hold it in his hands and not face any ill effects until years later, if at all. It can also slip through U.S. safeguards, she says.
The Homeland Security Department is planning to spend more than $1 billion on radiation detectors at ports of entry. But government auditors found that the devices cannot distinguish between benign radiation sources, such as kitty litter, and potentially dangerous ones, including highly enriched uranium.
Holgate considers the substance the greatest threat because it exists not only at nuclear weapons sites worldwide, but also in more than 100 civilian research facilities in dozens of countries, often with inadequate security.
Her Washington-based nonproliferation organization wants to see the U.S. get a better handle on the material that can be used for bombs — much of it is in Russia — and secure it.
The big problem, she said, is not a fancy suitcase nuke, but rather a terrorist cell with nuclear material that has enough knowledge to make an improvised device.
How big would that be? “Like SUV-sized. Way bigger than a suitcase,” she said.
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nuclear suitcases probably exist
Wrong.
You do realize the existence of a suitcase nuke has no basis in fact and has NEVER been proven.
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TA Don't believe any "Former" intelligence officers ;)
they have to fall pretty damn hard for them to talk to the mainstream
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I agree with this guy... We're America and we don't do this shit.
If we do, then we're no better than the neanderthals.
THere is a saying that goes...KNOW THYSELF....now you do...
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You do not provide any freedom nor are you "fighting for my freedom". In fact, by the way you think, act and vote you are laying the ground work to limit my freedom. George Washington fought for my freedom. Not you.
Furthermore, there is only one world. There is no fake world. Anyone who is conscious is able to perceive reality and base their judgment according to their own value system. You do not set the standards.
Nope sorry dude....if it weren't for me and guys like me over the past 200 plus years...u'd be reading about that Freedom in a little red book or something. I'm not limiting a thing..BARRY H. Obama is trying real hard to....U live in a fake and surreal world where evil doesn't exist and nobody wants to kill us. U can debate all u want, u have no experience with which to draw on...
Great article...did u even read it. It does nothing to prove ur case other then the suitcase would have to be pretty friggen big and take a couple of guys. I'm sure there are no lack of volunteers for that.
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TA Don't believe any "Former" intelligence officers ;)
they have to fall pretty damn hard for them to talk to the mainstream
Uh,
Again, there is no such thing as a suitcase Nuke. It is a total myth.
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Nope sorry dude....if it weren't for me and guys like me over the past 200 plus years...u'd be reading about that Freedom in a little red book or something. I'm not limiting a thing..BARRY H. Obama is trying real hard to....U live in a fake and surreal world where evil doesn't exist and nobody wants to kill us. U can debate all u want, u have no experience with which to draw on...
Great article...did u even read it. It does nothing to prove ur case other then the suitcase would have to be pretty friggen big and take a couple of guys. I'm sure there are no lack of volunteers for that.
Like I tel l these fools daily, I live 9 miles from ground zero and used to be able to see the WTC from everywhere in my hood.
This stuff is real. They only see it on television. If 9/11 happened in their own backyard they would think differently.
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Like I tel l these fools daily, I live 9 miles from ground zero and used to be able to see the WTC from everywhere in my hood.
This stuff is real. They only see it on television. If 9/11 happened in their own backyard they would think differently.
Uh,
My family was massacred in World War II.
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Uh,
My family was massacred in World War II.
I am sad to hear that. However, that was from before you were born on another continent. You never knew those people.
9/11 happened in my backyard and its real.
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Because u and ur vast experience say its a myth. Up until the late 1970's the US Army had a secondary MOS for intel guys that involed walking a backpack nuke across the Chec border.
Loose Russian nukes have been a major preoccupation of weapons experts since the end of the Cold War. Concerns were underlined by the interception last year of an illegal shipment of weapons-quality uranium, 4 ounces in all (quite a bit less than the amount needed for a bomb), announced in January by Ivane Merabishvili, an official with the former Soviet Republic of Georgia.
In particular, worry centered on nuclear artillery shells built by the Soviet Union before its demise. The United States built its own lightweight devices, the parachute-borne Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM), which were phased out in 1989. Such devices had similar characteristics to the theoretical suitcase nukes, Sokov notes, including:
•Small size, perhaps measuring 23 inches long by 8 inches tall and weighing less than 70 pounds.
•Explosive yields from plutonium explosions under 1 kiloton, less than one-tenth as strong as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
•Short battery life for the devices, requiring recharging perhaps every six months.
Battery life is one glaring sticking point, Thornton and others say. Any device lost in the early '90s would be battery dead by now, as well as missing a few dozen maintenance checks. (24 plot spoiler alert: The story revolves around the villain seeking to somehow revive the batteries in his suitcase nukes.)
A 1-kiloton blast set off from a low-flying airplane would send out lethal radiation in a half-mile radius, leveling most of the buildings in a crowded city, the Federation of American Scientists says.
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I am sad to hear that. However, that was from before you were born on another continent. You never knew those people.
9/11 happened in my backyard and its real.
TA how old were u on 911 and what were u doing....
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I am sad to hear that. However, that was from before you were born on another continent. You never knew those people.
9/11 happened in my backyard and its real.
Uh,
I see them when I go to Germany. My grandfather was one of 13 children and some are still alive even into their 90s.
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TA how old were u on 911 and what were u doing....
I was in Astronomy Class when the first tower was hit, then Physics when the second tower went down.
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Uh,
I see them when I go to Germany. My grandfather was one of 13 children and some are still alive even into their 90s.
You did not know any of the people who died and its was over 50 years ago.
9/11 is recent and in my backyard.
The two are very different.
Not that your loss is not horrible, it is.
But this is different for other reasons.
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I was in Astronomy Class when the first tower was hit, then Physics when the second tower went down.
And I was at work watching all the police and fire engines racing downtown.
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My point..u were in school...3 was watching the clouds of dust and I was moving tanks to the front gate of my Army Post. I think its alot more real for some people. I lost people on both sides during WW2...but this is completely different.
My point exactly..........And I was at work watching all the police and fire engines racing downtown..
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Sure america doesn't Shepherd...sure it doesn't. If anyone waterboarded Shepherd, they would first have to wash off that half pound of GUYLINER he wears...what a fruit..
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He's gay...so what.
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Because u and ur vast experience say its a myth. Up until the late 1970's the US Army had a secondary MOS for intel guys that involed walking a backpack nuke across the Chec border.
Loose Russian nukes have been a major preoccupation of weapons experts since the end of the Cold War. Concerns were underlined by the interception last year of an illegal shipment of weapons-quality uranium, 4 ounces in all (quite a bit less than the amount needed for a bomb), announced in January by Ivane Merabishvili, an official with the former Soviet Republic of Georgia.
In particular, worry centered on nuclear artillery shells built by the Soviet Union before its demise. The United States built its own lightweight devices, the parachute-borne Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM), which were phased out in 1989. Such devices had similar characteristics to the theoretical suitcase nukes, Sokov notes, including:
•Small size, perhaps measuring 23 inches long by 8 inches tall and weighing less than 70 pounds.
•Explosive yields from plutonium explosions under 1 kiloton, less than one-tenth as strong as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
•Short battery life for the devices, requiring recharging perhaps every six months.
Battery life is one glaring sticking point, Thornton and others say. Any device lost in the early '90s would be battery dead by now, as well as missing a few dozen maintenance checks. (24 plot spoiler alert: The story revolves around the villain seeking to somehow revive the batteries in his suitcase nukes.)
A 1-kiloton blast set off from a low-flying airplane would send out lethal radiation in a half-mile radius, leveling most of the buildings in a crowded city, the Federation of American Scientists says.
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I LOVE the article you quoted from. Did you bother to read it?
Experts close the lid on 'suitcase nukes'
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2007-03-12-suitcase-nuclear-bombs_N.htm
Posted 3/12/2007 10:42 PM |
By Dan Vergano, USA TODAY
Jack Bauer may lose 24 hours of sleep worrying about suitcase nukes, but should his viewers?
Probably not, nuclear weapons experts say.
Nuclear bombs cleverly concealed in suitcases don't exist in real life. Even so, they have long been a popular Hollywood plot point.
The lethal luggage — or what non-proliferation experts prefer to call portable nuclear devices — have been featured in action thrillers, including 1997's The Peacemaker with George Clooney and Nicole Kidman and 2002's Bad Company with Anthony Hopkins and Chris Rock.
Now, 24 (Fox, Monday, 9 p.m. ET/PT) has had Kiefer Sutherland and the gang hunting for three bombs packed into suitcases.
But how concerned should we really be that suitcase nukes will one day be fact rather than fiction?
'Approaching fantasy'
Arms control expert Charles Thornton of the Center for International and Security Studies at the University of Maryland calls the scenario "so highly unlikely as to be approaching fantasy."
Nikolai Sokov of the Center for Non-proliferation Studies in Monterey, Calif., says there is no evidence any scientist has been able to create a suitcase-contained nuclear device. In science fiction, "the more disastrous the event, the less likely," he says. "God forbid it happens. But no, it's not very likely."
Still, this threat is not just the imagination of an overcaffeinated screenwriter. Modern-day worries about suitcase nukes crested in the late 1990s, when the late Russian general Alexander Lebed suggested that a few dozen portable nuclear devices had disappeared from Russian military stockpiles at the beginning of the decade.
Loose Russian nukes have been a major preoccupation of weapons experts since the end of the Cold War. Concerns were underlined by the interception last year of an illegal shipment of weapons-quality uranium, 4 ounces in all (quite a bit less than the amount needed for a bomb), announced in January by Ivane Merabishvili, an official with the former Soviet Republic of Georgia.
In particular, worry centered on nuclear artillery shells built by the Soviet Union before its demise. The United States built its own lightweight devices, the parachute-borne Special Atomic Demolition Munition (SADM), which were phased out in 1989. Such devices had similar characteristics to the theoretical suitcase nukes, Sokov notes, including:
•Small size, perhaps measuring 23 inches long by 8 inches tall and weighing less than 70 pounds.
•Explosive yields from plutonium explosions under 1 kiloton, less than one-tenth as strong as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
•Short battery life for the devices, requiring recharging perhaps every six months.
Battery life is one glaring sticking point, Thornton and others say. Any device lost in the early '90s would be battery dead by now, as well as missing a few dozen maintenance checks. (24 plot spoiler alert: The story revolves around the villain seeking to somehow revive the batteries in his suitcase nukes.)
A 1-kiloton blast set off from a low-flying airplane would send out lethal radiation in a half-mile radius, leveling most of the buildings in a crowded city, the Federation of American Scientists says.
Though it's scary, such a scenario is far from our biggest nuclear terrorism worry, says nuclear physicist Peter Zimmerman of King's College London. In November, Zimmerman and Jeffrey Lewis of Harvard wrote in the journal Foreign Policy about the steps a domestic terrorist team would have to take to produce a full-fledged atomic bomb.
More real threats
Other experts, including Sokov, warn that a "dirty bomb" seems a more likely form of nuclear terrorism, albeit a less deadly one. A dirty bomb would blow up some radioactive material, perhaps discarded medical diagnostics such as radioactive cesium, in a crowded place. It would kill some people with the explosion and contaminate the area. The technical expertise needed to create such a bomb is much less, Sokov says.
Zimmerman views the poisoning of ex-Russian agent Alexander Litvinenko in November as genuine nuclear terrorism, in part because Russians implicated in the death reportedly have left traces of polonium-210 across Europe, enough to trigger health concerns.
One side benefit of 24's hunt for suitcase nukes, fanciful or not, may be raising awareness of the threat of smuggled radioactive materials, Sokov says. But, he says, if people think spies rounding up non-existent suitcase nukes, rather than real anti-smuggling pacts between countries, will stop nuclear terrorism, "that's probably not a great message."
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He's gay...so what.
He sounded like he was revealing some personal info in that clip. Maybe some S&M with his boyfriend went wrong????
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Yeah...I read it idiot....Ur saying that somebody can't strap a small nuke on..whether its in a Mersk connex sitting in the Port of LA, or strapped to a sled, across the Canadian border and try and detonate. It might not be a back pack, but thats really not the point is it.
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Yeah...I read it idiot....Ur saying that somebody can't strap a small nuke on..whether its in a Mersk connex sitting in the Port of LA, or strapped to a sled, across the Canadian border and try and detonate. It might not be a back pack, but thats really not the point is it.
Point is, it is a complete myth that has been perpetuated and wrongly disseminated. People are limited in their scientific knowledge of fission that it is rather simple to dupe them.
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Look..ur trying to mince words.....backpack nuke to me is a small nuke...not an airdropped or missile delivered one. We have small nukes...the russians have small nukes..we had a nuclear artillery piece and a nuclear mortar...they had the same. Put that in a packing crate and detonate and we're fucked.
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Anybody here get tortured, anybody...for any reason. Anybody know somebody who got tortured. I'll then assume everybody here is happy not getting blown up or glowing right?......stop worrying about what happens to terrorist shitbags who want to kill u....these people hate u..they want to kill u...And please, what the fuck does "we're Americans, we don't torture" mean. We dropped two A bombs, we've used flamethrowers, we use cluster bombs and landmines...we've overthrown countries...killed or installed dictators...we do whats best for us and our economy. I could care less....
There's honesty, however debatable whether it is good for our country.
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There's honesty, however debatable whether it is good for our country.
Pandora`s box that started the Military Industrial Complex that Eisenhower tried to warn us about.
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Anybody here get tortured, anybody...for any reason. Anybody know somebody who got tortured. I'll then assume everybody here is happy not getting blown up or glowing right?......stop worrying about what happens to terrorist shitbags who want to kill u....these people hate u..they want to kill u...And please, what the fuck does "we're Americans, we don't torture" mean. We dropped two A bombs, we've used flamethrowers, we use cluster bombs and landmines...we've overthrown countries...killed or installed dictators...we do whats best for us and our economy. I could care less....
wow, the question is not "Is HH6 a neocon?" it's "how extreme of a neocon is HH6?" :D
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wow, the question is not "Is HH6 a neocon?" it's "how extreme of a neocon is HH6?" :D
I don't think he actively subscribes to the neocom post but I think he is a kind of amoral realist.
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There's honesty, however debatable whether it is good for our country.
Honest but evil.
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I agree with this guy... We're America and we don't do this shit.
If we do, then we're no better than the neanderthals.
not anywhere close ::) we dont target civilians, we dont hide behind civilians, we dont use mentally retarded ppl, women and children to attack innocent civilians, we dont behead our captives and the fact that you think waterboarding puts us on the same level is just plain IDIOTIC theres no nice way to put that.
If we were as bad as them this war would have been over years ago.
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not anywhere close ::) we dont target civilians, we dont hide behind civilians, we dont use mentally retarded ppl, women and children to attack innocent civilians, we dont behead our captives and the fact that you think waterboarding puts us on the same level is just plain IDIOTIC theres no nice way to put that.
If we were as bad as them this war would have been over years ago.
That's ok Tony... You call it idiotic and I'll call it "enlightened".
I'll ask the question again... Was Chinese water torture actually torture?
According to you... The answer is no.
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That's ok Tony... You call it idiotic and I'll call it "enlightened".
I'll ask the question again... Was Chinese water torture actually torture?
According to you... The answer is no.
LOL well see first you have to get to the point i dont give a shit b/c these fucktards deserve way worse, then you have to define torture so do that first.
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How did he get away with cursing like that on live TV?
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He's gay...so what.
now that you mention it.........
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HH- What do you know anyway? ::)
TA is a seasoned internet user with no military experience and a degree from community college. He certainly knows a lot more than you ever will about History, War, Anal Beads and lots of other intellectual food for thought. In addition, TA is also is more adept at copying and pasting articles from blogs than you are AND he has an associates certification in posting hyperlinks and You Tube vieos which he earned as a non-matriculated part time student after completing a 2 hour long correspondence course from the University of Phoenix. Give it up dude. Your just one of Uncle Sam's lackeys. TA is a real American who has a firm grip on reality. He also taught me that if you press cntrl + C or cntrl V on your keyboard, you can copy or paste without using your mouse or trackball. Did they teach you that in the so called "military". Uh.. NO... With all of the power of the military industrial complex, did any of your drill Sargent's teach you how to deadlift 225 pounds 100 times? NO...
What makes you think you're even qualified to post on getbig?
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HH- What do you know anyway? Roll Eyes
TA is a seasoned internet user with no military experience and a degree from community college. He certainly knows a lot more than you ever will about History, War, Anal Beads and lots of other intellectual food for thought. He also is more adept at copying and pasting articles from blogs and has an associates certification as a non-matriculated part time student after completing a 2 hours correspondence course from the University of Phoenix where he was trained to post hyperlinks and You Tube videos. Give it up dude. Your just one of Uncle Sam's lackeys. TA is a real American who has a firm grip on reality. He also taught me that if you press cntrl + C or cntrl V on your keyboard, you can copy or paste without using your mouse or trackball. Did they teach you that in the so called "military". Uh.. NO... With all of the power of the military industrial complex, did any of your drill Sargent's teach you how to deadlift 225 pounds 100 times? NO...
What makes you think you're even qualified to post on getbig?
CLASSIC ! ! ! ! !
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HH- What do you know anyway? ::)
TA is a seasoned internet user with no military experience and a degree from community college. He certainly knows a lot more than you ever will about History, War, Anal Beads and lots of other intellectual food for thought. In addition, TA is also is more adept at copying and pasting articles from blogs than you are AND he has an associates certification in posting hyperlinks and You Tube vieos which he earned as a non-matriculated part time student after completing a 2 hour long correspondence course from the University of Phoenix. Give it up dude. Your just one of Uncle Sam's lackeys. TA is a real American who has a firm grip on reality. He also taught me that if you press cntrl + C or cntrl V on your keyboard, you can copy or paste without using your mouse or trackball. Did they teach you that in the so called "military". Uh.. NO... With all of the power of the military industrial complex, did any of your drill Sargent's teach you how to deadlift 225 pounds 100 times? NO...
What makes you think you're even qualified to post on getbig?
Priceless!
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wow, the question is not "Is HH6 a neocon?" it's "how extreme of a neocon is HH6?" :D
He's not a neocon. He's a tool of the neocons. Use the chess analogy: GI Joe thinks he's the rook or a bishop but in reality he's just a pawn. He's a dog: When ordered to fetch the stick he does it as asked and returns the stick to his master.
That's all he is.
Too bad he doesn't even recognise the fact that in fetching the stick for his master he's not doing anything of value to the rest of the dogs. Or that we're not all in the same pack... Or that some dogs don't like to be led. Or that some other dogs only have three legs. Or that some are even incapable of barking but still have a right to an opinion.
Hope he gets the anal-ogy.
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I agree with this guy... We're America and we don't do this shit.
If we do, then we're no better than the neanderthals.
Do you also support the Nuremberg laws like your friend in that other thread?
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HH- What do you know anyway? ::)
TA is a seasoned internet user with no military experience and a degree from community college. He certainly knows a lot more than you ever will about History, War, Anal Beads and lots of other intellectual food for thought. In addition, TA is also is more adept at copying and pasting articles from blogs than you are AND he has an associates certification in posting hyperlinks and You Tube vieos which he earned as a non-matriculated part time student after completing a 2 hour long correspondence course from the University of Phoenix. Give it up dude. Your just one of Uncle Sam's lackeys. TA is a real American who has a firm grip on reality. He also taught me that if you press cntrl + C or cntrl V on your keyboard, you can copy or paste without using your mouse or trackball. Did they teach you that in the so called "military". Uh.. NO... With all of the power of the military industrial complex, did any of your drill Sargent's teach you how to deadlift 225 pounds 100 times? NO...
What makes you think you're even qualified to post on getbig?
Meltdown.
I have "some" military experience in the fact that I was a candidate for officer training school at UNC-Chapel Hill when I was an undergrad student. I took 2 years worth of Military Science classes on top of all my regular courses. At the time, given what I was interested in regarding the military, there were only 8 year contracts available and I did not think it in my best interest to commit to eight years after School. I wanted to continue schooling instead. Contrary to belief, there are A LOT of progressives and liberals in the military. The majority are all the higher ups.
Where do you come up with this garbage about Community College and University of Phoenix? Clearly I struck a nerve if your best defense to an argument is to make up lies about me.
You sir, are a moron.
Side note: Did you know, George Orwell, the basis for your moniker, was an extreme Socialist. He is one of my Socialist heroes who never wavered in his Socialism and want for the world to understand and adopt Socialism as a means for personal freedom and peace amongst nations.
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Yes that was quite a meltdown. ::)
Im not using a "defense" as we are not in competition with one another.
Being that you responded to my obviously sarcastic post with a serious recitation of your educational background ( which no one can verify by the way) I would say I struck a nerve. :'(
Relax champ- I am honestly proud to be able to soak up your vast wealth of knowledge concerning military intelligence and other related national security issues. :o
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Yes that was quite a meltdown. ::)
Im not using a "defense" as we are not in competition with one another.
Being that you responded to my obviously sarcastic post with a serious recitation of your educational background ( which no one can verify by the way) I would say I struck a nerve. :'(
Relax champ- I am honestly proud to be able to soak up your vast wealth of knowledge concerning military intelligence and other related national security issues. :o
Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I know it.
"Why I Write" - George Orwell
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Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I know it.
"Why I Write" - George Orwell
George Orwell's 1984 was an awesome book.......read it three times as a teenager......scared the hell out of me
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George Orwell's 1984 was an awesome book.......read it three times as a teenager......scared the hell out of me
But of course everything our dear leader is doing is just perfectly fine.
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Anybody here get tortured, anybody...for any reason. Anybody know somebody who got tortured. I'll then assume everybody here is happy not getting blown up or glowing right?......stop worrying about what happens to terrorist shitbags who want to kill u....these people hate u..they want to kill u...
Riiiiight! That's why they landed the planes in the financial and military centers and were trying to land another in the command and control center.
If all the military people are as fucking dumb as you then we're in deep shit.
And please, what the fuck does "we're Americans, we don't torture" mean. We dropped two A bombs, we've used flamethrowers, we use cluster bombs and landmines...we've overthrown countries...killed or installed dictators...we do whats best for us and our economy. I could care less....
No! Your fucking kind did asshole! Don't fucking "we" me. I didn't ask you to include me in the killing rampage! The military (you) did! Fucking live with it!
You're a bad excuse of a mass fucking murderer with immunity.
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Riiiiight! That's why they landed the planes in the financial and military centers and were trying to land another in the command and control center.
If all the military people are as fucking dumb as you then we're in deep shit.
No! Your fucking kind did asshole! Don't fucking "we" me. I didn't ask you to include me in the killing rampage! The military (you) did! Fucking live with it!
You're a bad excuse of a mass fucking murderer with immunity.
Shut up Mustafa.
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Shut up Mustafa.
You wish you were me marika.
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You wish you were me marika.
You're wrong Mustafa.
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Do you also support the Nuremberg laws like your friend in that other thread?
What thread is that? I'm telling you what I believe... right in this thread... If I post in another one, then you'll know my beliefs in that thread as well.
Why bring up other threads?
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What thread is that? I'm telling you what I believe... right in this thread... If I post in another one, then you'll know my beliefs in that thread as well.
Why bring up other threads?
???
They said it in other threads, about how if Franken looks like he lost, he should just concede defeat, because it's the honorable thing to do, and Franken would look sad if he didn't.
Is Coleman now sad and dishonorable? I'd say so... I'm sure the righties will disagree.
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What thread is that? I'm telling you what I believe... right in this thread... If I post in another one, then you'll know my beliefs in that thread as well.
Why bring up other threads?
Because every thread is not a bubble, other factors effect too beside posts in a specific thread.
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That one was directly related... Same topic.
His question was not.
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Because every thread is not a bubble, other factors effect too beside posts in a specific thread.
True, but if in this instance, if the topic was similar enough, I would think it would just be posted here... I have no opinion on that btw.
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True, but if in this instance, if the topic was similar enough, I would think it would just be posted here... I have no opinion on that btw.
WTF? Aren't you black(not that a white person should support them)? Google Nuremberg laws and get back to me.
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WTF? Aren't you black(not that a white person should support them)? Google Nuremberg laws and get back to me.
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I just don't have any knowledge of it... I most likely will look it up sometime... Just not right now.
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I just don't have any knowledge of it... I most likely will look it up sometime... Just not right now.
They were one of the first steps the Nazi's did to legalize killing Jews and other minorities.
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You did not know any of the people who died and its was over 50 years ago.
9/11 is recent and in my backyard.
The two are very different.
Not that your loss is not horrible, it is.
But this is different for other reasons.
Then why dont you pull your head from your ass and get upset at the people who caused 9/11... ANd if you think a man in a cave and men with box cutters pulled that off you ALONE you are an idiot...
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Then why dont you pull your head from your ass and get upset at the people who caused 9/11... ANd if you think a man in a cave and men with box cutters pulled that off you ALONE you are an idiot...
Why do people keep saying that Osama was living in a cave during 9/11? He was being sheltered by the Taliban. He had free reign to move throughout that country and most likely Pakistan.
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Why do people keep saying that Osama was living in a cave during 9/11? He was being sheltered by the Taliban. He had free reign to move throughout that country and most likely Pakistan.
Yes he was visited by the CIA in Dubai with in a couple months of 9/11... What a "most wanted" man.. wonder if they were telling him about the disaster they cooked up and were going to blame on him...
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Yes he was visited by the CIA in Dubai with in a couple months of 9/11... What a "most wanted" man.. wonder if they were telling him about the disaster they cooked up and were going to blame on him...
Thought he was living in a cave? I love all these "supposed" stories. I guess because a supposed French intelligence agent says a CIA chief met him in Dubai makes it true. You can't even keep your story straight, multi-millionaire. ::)
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Thought he was living in a cave? I love all these "supposed" stories. I guess because a supposed French intelligence agent says a CIA chief met him in Dubai makes it true. You can't even keep your story straight, multi-millionaire. ::)
Hysterical.
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Then why dont you pull your head from your ass and get upset at the people who caused 9/11... ANd if you think a man in a cave and men with box cutters pulled that off you ALONE you are an idiot...
yea b/c it takes a lot of intelligence and planning to hijack a plane an fly it into a building ::) almost as much as it takes to build a bomb and blow yourself up with it.
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Then why dont you pull your head from your ass and get upset at the people who caused 9/11... ANd if you think a man in a cave and men with box cutters pulled that off you ALONE you are an idiot...
That "cave dweller" just happen to be a multi millionare with a huge constraction company and a gigantic drug operation.