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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: The True Adonis on April 25, 2009, 11:33:24 AM
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I want anyone who disagrees, to list why they disagree and what they perceive as being "Right Wing" and what they perceive as "Left Wing" and how did they come to that perception.
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Yeah...i think alot of people are going to disagree.
Alot of people in this country are religious. Ur not, ur right to think that way, but u have no right to belittle them. A good number of those people are conservatives and vote republican. They have strong moral views which differ from the Left.
Conversely u have many on the Left that support gay rights and gay marriage. I don't agree but I don't have any right to bash a gay person or those who feel strongly about it. Oddly enough those on the Left like to bash conservatives over their views and push "rights" that always manage to limit another, usually majority group.
U can easily find a left/right slant on everything, some are harder then others, but its there if u dig. I would find it very arrogant to think that because TA thinks one way...it happens to be fact.
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Yeah...i think alot of people are going to disagree.
Alot of people in this country are religious. Ur not, ur right to think that way, but u have no right to belittle them. A good number of those people are conservatives and vote republican. They have strong moral views which differ from the Left.
Conversely u have many on the Left that support gay rights and gay marriage. I don't agree but I don't have any right to bash a gay person or those who feel strongly about it. Oddly enough those on the Left like to bash conservatives over their views and push "rights" that always manage to limit another, usually majority group.
U can easily find a left/right slant on everything, some are harder then others, but its there if u dig. I would find it very arrogant to think that because TA thinks one way...it happens to be fact.
Religion is NOT a "Conservative" or a "Right Wing" issue. I will belittle and question a religious democrat (there are MANY) just as fast as I will belittle and question a religious Republican. I view both equally as stupid as they both share the same irrational belief in the non-existent, supernatural and in faith which is simply the belief in something without evidence or in spite of evidence.
The number of Gay Republicans are growing, in fact, it is one of the fastest growing segments of the Republican Party.
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See, I don't care about gays as long as they don't push their shit onto me...u however have a problem with the vast majority of people who find some solace in religion. Ur such a small person that making fun of organized religion makes u feel somehow better. U'r trying to come off as some kind of scientist. I think ur average scientist would have more to worry about. Its amazing how many groups u think ur better them.
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/top-gop-consultant-endorses-gay-marriage/
April 17, 2009, 9:51 AM
Top G.O.P. Consultant Endorses Gay Marriage
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
If Steve Schmidt is for same-sex marriage, can Senate Republicans be far behind?
Well, yes. We don’t expect establishment Republicans in Washington — or establishment Democrats, for that matter — to suddenly endorse gay marriage. But in a possible sign of the momentum of the gay-marriage movement, Mr. Schmidt, who was a senior adviser to the Republican presidential nominee, Senator John McCain, last year, is promoting gay marriage this afternoon.
He endorsed same-sex marriage last month, in an interview with the Washington Blade.
Today, Mr. Schmidt, who also served as a top Bush aide, discusses the subject with the Log Cabin Republicans, a group that supports gay rights. According to CNN, he will call on conservative Republicans to drop their opposition at a lunchtime speech in Washington.
Mr. Schmidt, who has a sister who is a lesbian, plans to say that there is nothing about gay marriage that is un-American or that threatens the rights of others and that in fact it is in line with conservative principles.
“There is a sound conservative argument to be made for same-sex marriage,” Mr. Schmidt plans to say, according to speech excerpts obtained by CNN. “I believe conservatives, more than liberals, insist that rights come with responsibilities. No other exercise of one’s liberty comes with greater responsibilities than marriage.’”
His remarks come in the midst of a flurry of legislative and judicial activity advancing gay marriage in various states. In the last two weeks, Iowa and Vermont have approved same-sex marriage, joining Connecticut and Massachusetts. The movement appears to be picking up steam in other states too, including New York, where Gov. David Paterson introduced a bill on Thursday to legalize gay marriage.
In his interview with The Blade, Mr. Schmidt said he voted against California’s Proposition 8, which ended same-sex marriage in that state. Mr. McCain supported the measure and has opposed gay marriage.
But Mr. Schmidt, who said he has never agreed “100 percent” with any candidate for whom he has worked, is undeterred.
“I’m personally supportive of equality for gay couples and I believe that it will happen over time,” he told The Blade. “I think that more and more Americans are insistent that, at a minimum, gay couples should be treated with respect and when they see a political party trying to stigmatize a group of people who are hard-working, who play by the rules, who raise decent families, they’re troubled by it.”
He said that his views had been shaped by the presence of a gay person in his family. He did not disclose his sister’s identity but said she accepted her sexual orientation.
“I think one of the most tragic things in the world [is] when people are closeted and are denied their sexuality and this incredibly important part of their lives and the destructive potential of that action,” Mr. Schmidt told The Blade. “And I’ve come to believe over time that, as Dick Cheney said, freedom for everybody means freedom for everybody.”
Mr. Cheney has a lesbian daughter.
It would be a watershed moment in American politics if other Republicans began supporting gay marriage, just as it would be if President Obama joined some of his fellow Democrats and got on board.
In last year’s presidential campaign, Mr. Obama said he believed marriage should be between a man and a woman, but he also said he opposed a constitutional amendment to protect traditional marriage.
“Historically we have not defined marriage in our constitution,” Mr. Obama said in August at a forum at the Saddleback Church with Mr. McCain. “It has been a matter of state law. That’s been our tradition.”
He did say he supported civil unions. “I don’t think in any way this affects my core beliefs about what marriage is,” Mr. Obama said. “My faith is strong enough and my marriage is strong enough that I can afford those civil rights to others.”
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See, I don't care about gays as long as they don't push their shit onto me...u however have a problem with the vast majority of people who find some solace in religion. Ur such a small person that making fun of organized religion makes u feel somehow better. U'r trying to come off as some kind of scientist. I think ur average scientist would have more to worry about. Its amazing how many groups u think ur better them.
I guess you haven`t a clue who Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are and why they write what they do.
You do also realize the father of modern Conservatism, Barry Goldwater, was an atheist. There are plenty of Conservative atheists who treat Religion EXACTLY as I do. Many even on this site.
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And guess what..they're wrong for doing it. U can post utube video's and wiki articles all u want. Thats about the extent of ur life experience. Congrats.
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Religion is NOT a "Conservative" or a "Right Wing" issue. I will belittle and question a religious democrat (there are MANY) just as fast as I will belittle and question a religious Republican. I view both equally as stupid as they both share the same irrational belief in the non-existent, supernatural and in faith which is simply the belief in something without evidence or in spite of evidence.
No you won't. There have been a number of them, including our current President, who has gone on record as being a man of faith.
The number of Gay Republicans are growing, in fact, it is one of the fastest growing segments of the Republican Party.
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Supporting gay "marriage" isn't going to help the GOP one bit.
To me, this sounds no different than Howard Dean claiming that he was going to try and appeal to evangelicals, four years ago, after the Dems lost big and Bush got re-elected.
At the end of the day, it was business as usual for the Democrats. It's just that the GOP messed up badly, to the point where the people gave them the boot in '06.
The Dems stuck with their far-left base (they can't win without them); and the GOP will stick with its far-right base (they can't win without them).
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I agree.....if the economy had been booming...we'd have Hil or McCain. The war was going well despite the Left's vast attempts to say otherwise. I imagine there will be alot of people voting Repub as Barry takes more of their money.
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No you won't. There have been a number of them, including our current President, who has gone on record as being a man of faith.
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Supporting gay "marriage" isn't going to help the GOP one bit.
To me, this sounds no different than Howard Dean claiming that he was going to try and appeal to evangelicals, four years ago, after the Dems lost big and Bush got re-elected.
At the end of the day, it was business as usual for the Democrats. It's just that the GOP messed up badly, to the point where the people gave them the boot in '06.
The Dems stuck with their far-left base (they can't win without them); and the GOP will stick with its far-right base (they can't win without them).
I have called out many on this site for their belief in Religion without knowing their political beliefs. Religion is such a virus, that it infects politics of all parties.
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I have called out many on this site for their belief in Religion without knowing their political beliefs. Religion is such a virus, that it infects politics of all parties.
Religion is hardly a "virus". And your "calling out" has been quite slanted.
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Based on how Obama grew up and the fact that his father was a Muslim who turned Atheist and his mother being an Anthropologist was also was a non-believer, Obama is kind of winking at you when he describes faith. His Grandparents were non practicing Christians. Also the fact that Obama could care less about picking a church to attend during his presidency and his comments to include Atheists, even in the inaugural address, add a bit more to the evidence that Obama is an atheist at heart.
In his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama added: “Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”
Obama said: “I was not raised in a particularly religious household. I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists,.
“I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists, and a mother who was skeptical of organized religion,” Obama said.
The last Democratic man of true faith was Jimmy Carter.
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Religion is hardly a "virus". And your "calling out" has been quite slanted.
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I want anyone who disagrees, to list why they disagree and what they perceive as being "Right Wing" and what they perceive as "Left Wing" and how did they come to that perception.
Fact - You're a lying pussy.
Fiction - You deadlift 220 lbs X 100 reps.
Fact - You're a gay virgin.
Fiction - You post pictures of your sister and claim she is your girlfriend.
Should I go on?
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Fact - You're a lying pussy.
Fiction - You deadlift 220 lbs X 100 reps.
Fact - You're a gay virgin.
Fiction - You post pictures of your sister and claim she is your girlfriend.
Should I go on?
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Whats the matter? Too intellectually inferior to debate a point properly?
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Based on how Obama grew up and the fact that his father was a Muslim who turned Atheist and his mother being an Anthropologist was also was a non-believer, Obama is kind of winking at you when he describes faith. His Grandparents were non practicing Christians. Also the fact that Obama could care less about picking a church to attend during his presidency and his comments to include Atheists, even in the inaugural address, add a bit more to the evidence that Obama is an atheist at heart.
In his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama added: “Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”
Obama said: “I was not raised in a particularly religious household. I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists,.
“I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists, and a mother who was skeptical of organized religion,” Obama said.
The last Democratic man of true faith was Jimmy Carter.
There is no debating with you becasue you are all over the place. You are blind to your own bias.
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There is no debating with you becasue you are all over the place. You are blind to your own bias.
How?
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Hey numbnuts, goldwater isn't considered the father of modern conservatism, that honor belongs to William F. Buckly and or Edmund Burke. On the "religion" thing, your side is safe anyway since liberals cannot be true christians. God your any idiot, and I mean that in the biblical sense!!
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Hey numbnuts, goldwater isn't considered the father of modern conservatism, that honor belongs to William F. Buckly and or Edmund Burke. On the "religion" thing, your side is safe anyway since liberals cannot be true christians. God your any idiot, and I mean that in the biblical sense!!
Ok Roach. You need to learn your own "party" a bit better.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/103055.stm
World: Americas
The father of modern American conservatism
Barry Goldwater accepts the Republican presidential nomination in San Francisco in 1964
Barry Goldwater will be remembered by many as the father of modern US conservatism.
"Ronald Reagan said many times he would not be president without Barry Goldwater," said Arizona Senator John McCain, remembering the man whose senate seat he now holds.
"In all the histories of American politics, Barry Goldwater will remain a chapter unto himself. The rest of us will have to make do as footnotes."
Goldwater, an economic libertarian, took the 1964 Republican presidential nomination, proclaiming: "Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. ... Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Lost the centre ground
Democrats seized on that comment, as well as Goldwater's hawkish views on Vietnam, where American military involvement was escalating by the month.
They portrayed him as a potential destroyer of the government's Social Security pension system and a nuclear warmonger.
The United States was not ready for Barry Goldwater's brand of Conservatism. His campaign slogan "In your heart you know he's right" was turned by his opponents into: "In your guts you know he's nuts."
He won only six states - five in the south and his native Arizona.
A changed party
Although conservative to the end, especially in opposition to government intervention in people's lives, some of his views might not find a home in today's Republican Party.
He supported abortion rights and the rights of homosexuals to serve in the military and criticised right-wing social causes like prayer in the schools and calls for bans on abortion.
"In 1964 he was regarded as the leader of the lunatic right but if he was nominated today as president there would be a right-wing walkout because of his views on abortion," said Lars-Erik Nelson, New York Daily News Washington columnist.
Military training
He was born in Phoenix, the grandson of an immigrant Polish peddler. He graduated from Staunton Military Academy in Virginia in 1928 and then attended the University of Arizona, but dropped out to work in the family department stores.
Despite poor eyesight, he talked himself into the Army Air Corps in World War II.
Barry Goldwater's political career began in 1949 when he helped form a group of Phoenix City Council candidates who aimed to clean up widespread prostitution and gambling.
He entered national politics in 1952, with a surprise 6,000-vote victory over Democratic Senator Ernest McFarland, then the Senate majority leader.
He gave up his Senate seat for the 1964 presidential campaign, but was re-elected to the Senate in 1968 and kept working hard to forge a new conservative coalition.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan, who had worked hard for Goldwater in 1964, was elected president.
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Whats the matter? Too intellectually inferior to debate a point properly?
Yes you are, that's why I don't debate with you, it's pointless you just post spam you don't debate.
You still have not backed up your many claims, I don't debate with retarded liars, first get some credibility then expect to be taken seriously.
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He cant accept the fact he's wrong 99% of the time so he0has to cut abd paste something from a left wing european site to teach us OUR politics LOL!!
Pretty common knowledge who the father of modern conservatism is
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He cant accept the fact he's wrong 99% of the time so he0has to cut abd paste something from a left wing european site to teach us OUR politics LOL!!
Pretty common knowledge who the father of modern conservatism is
You don`t think Goldwater is an important Conservative figure. Is his being an atheist bother you that much?
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You don`t think Goldwater is an important Conservative figure. Is his being an atheist bother you that much?
I'm an atheist and I still think you're a moron, have nothing to do with my views of religion, I thought so before I ever stepped in the politics board too. That is how you carry yourself, a living joke.
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I'm an atheist and I still think you're a moron, have nothing to do with my views of religion, I thought so before I ever stepped in the politics board too. That is how you carry yourself, a living joke.
So you can freely admit that Atheism has nothing to do with being a Republican which invalidates every single thread to this issue thus far? Correct?
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So you can freely admit that Atheism has nothing to do with being a Republican which invalidates every single thread to this issue thus far? Correct?
There is no requirement to be a Republican and religious but if most Republican political figures support religion than obviously that it will draw more religious people.
I'll give you an analogy, you don't have to be into bodybuilding to be on this forum but it's more likely that you will know much more about it than the average person if you're here / in order to even get here.
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There is no requirement to be a Republican and religious but if most Republican political figures support religion than obviously that it will draw more religious people.
I'll give you an analogy, you don't have to be into bodybuilding to be on this forum but it's more likely that you will know much more about it than the average person if you're here / in order to even get here.
So we can agree that Atheism is not indicative of being Republican or Democrat.
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So we can agree that Atheism is not indicative of being Republican or Democrat.
Obviously, there is no absolute correlation between just about anything in life.
What's your point Mr 220 X 100?
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Based on how Obama grew up and the fact that his father was a Muslim who turned Atheist and his mother being an Anthropologist was also was a non-believer, Obama is kind of winking at you when he describes faith. His Grandparents were non practicing Christians. Also the fact that Obama could care less about picking a church to attend during his presidency and his comments to include Atheists, even in the inaugural address, add a bit more to the evidence that Obama is an atheist at heart.
In his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama added: “Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”
Obama said: “I was not raised in a particularly religious household. I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists,.
“I had a father who was born a Muslim but became an atheist, grandparents who were non-practicing Methodists and Baptists, and a mother who was skeptical of organized religion,” Obama said.
The last Democratic man of true faith was Jimmy Carter.
What do Obama's parents have to do with it?
Madalyn Murray O'Hair was one of the most notorious atheists in America. Her son, William Murray, is a born-again Christian and a minister.
So, your reasoning doesn't wash.
As for the lack of picking a church thing, PLEASE!!!!! When my wife and I got married, we moved to a different town but didn't pick a steady church to attend for at least 2 months.
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Obviously, there is no absolute correlation between just about anything in life.
What's your point Mr 220 X 100?
225 for 112. Get it straight.
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What do Obama's parents have to do with it?
Madalyn Murray O'Hair was one of the most notorious atheists in America. Her son, William Murray, is a born-again Christian and a minister.
So, your reasoning doesn't wash.
As for the lack of picking a church thing, PLEASE!!!!! When my wife and I got married we moved to a different town but didn't pick a steady church to attend for at least 2 months.
Gaydonis is a moron, why do you try to look for logic in his posts? You aren't new here.
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225 for 112. Get it straight.
Considering that you promised a video proof years ago I will have to say 0 X 0, which is great because it's the same as your IQ, you keep it all consistent.
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Gaydonis is a moron, why do you try to look for logic in his posts? You aren't new here.
Call me an eternal optimist.
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Considering that you promised a video proof years ago I will have to say 0 X 0, which is great because it's the same as your IQ, you keep it all consistent.
I did?
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IFFwannaB,
You are bitter because you are obese. Now lets leave it that and get back to the topic at hand.
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IFFwannaB,
You are bitter because you are obese. Now lets leave it that and get back to the topic at hand.
LOL how the hell did you get I'm obese? Nice try but you're way off.
I'm in better shape than your scrawny ass and you did promised that video, plenty of people here that remember that.
ZERO CREDIBILITY.
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LOL how the hell did you get I'm obese? Nice try but you're way off.
I'm in better shape than your scrawny ass and you did promised that video, plenty of people here that remember that.
ZERO CREDIBILITY.
How do we know you are not obese?
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How do we know you are not obese?
I don't care if you believe me or not, unlike you I never claimed any claims, you did, you never proved them, you're the liar. For all I care you can think I'm obese but it still won't matter that you screamed about your lifts daily without proof.
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Besides, why would anyone want to see me take 225 and do a few sets until I reach 112 reps?
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I don't care if you believe me or not, unlike you I never claimed any claims, you did, you never proved them, you're the liar. For all I care you can think I'm obese but it still won't matter that you screamed about your lifts daily without proof.
I did?
You don`t think I can deadlift 225? I posted pictures of me Deadlifting 600 lbs and 530 lbs. Of course I can deadlift 225.
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Right and Left suck, be a libertarian.
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Right and Left suck, be a libertarian.
Although I am against the labels of "right" and "left", Libertarians are way more right and are not much different than your average Conservative, and zero difference when it comes to Barry Goldwater.
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OMG you lie and lie, post a video of one set of 112 reps of 225 lbs like you claimed or delete your account.
All your fake pictures and empty claims equals nothing.
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OMG you lie and lie, post a video of one set of 112 reps of 225 lbs like you claimed or delete your account.
All your fake pictures and empty claims equals nothing.
I never said I did it in one set.
I did as many reps as I could. Rested. Did More. Rested. Did More. Rested. Did More. Stopped at 112.
I enjoy the lore that ensued. ;D
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I never said I did it in one set.
I did as many reps as I could. Rested. Did More. Rested. Did More. Rested. Did More. Stopped at 112.
I enjoy the lore that ensued. ;D
Lies.
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Lies.
Check the main board. I bumped the topic for you. Make sure you read the VERY first post.
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Check the main board. I bumped the topic for you. Make sure you read the VERY first post.
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Its upsetting and has caused you many Meltdowns but you will get through this. I have hurt you deeply but I cannot promise that it is the last time. In fact, you will probably Meltdown again within the span of the next 24 hours.
Hopefully your family is there to support in case of this inevitable event.
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"There are three kinds of lies:...Lies!!;...DAMNED LIES!!!;...and statistics....
Benjamin Disraeli
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Its upsetting and has caused you many Meltdowns but you will get through this. I have hurt you deeply but I cannot promise that it is the last time. In fact, you will probably Meltdown again within the span of the next 24 hours.
Hopefully your family is there to support in case of this inevitable event.
No meltdown only your lies.
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No meltdown only your lies.
You lie you garbage box.
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No you won't. There have been a number of them, including our current President, who has gone on record as being a man of faith.
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Supporting gay "marriage" isn't going to help the GOP one bit.
To me, this sounds no different than Howard Dean claiming that he was going to try and appeal to evangelicals, four years ago, after the Dems lost big and Bush got re-elected.
At the end of the day, it was business as usual for the Democrats. It's just that the GOP messed up badly, to the point where the people gave them the boot in '06.
The Dems stuck with their far-left base (they can't win without them); and the GOP will stick with its far-right base (they can't win without them).
Obama, whatever his faults (many) is not a card carrying faith head; he just does it to suck up to the idiots in the country.
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You lie you garbage box.
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Obama, whatever his faults (many) is not a card carrying faith head; he just does it to suck up to the idiots in the country.
The issue wasn't whether or not he is a "card carrying faith head". But, whether he was a man of faith or not.
Why is it that certain atheists here love bashing political leaders, who declare that they are Christians, UNLESS IT'S OBAMA.
Then, they start making up silly theories, like he's a closet non-believer. Or "He's lying. But that's OK, because he's one of us"?
Or, they come with some wacky mess, like TA's claiming that, because Obama's parents weren't Christians (his dad was an atheist) and the Obamas have yet to find a home church, he's really an atheist.
Again, I refer you to Madalyn Murray O'Hair and her son, William Murray. Some folks here keep forgetting that many Christians became such AS ADULTS and DID NOT grow up in Christian homes.
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Obama, whatever his faults (many) is not a card carrying faith head; he just does it to suck up to the idiots in the country.
No, but he sat threw many, many years of anti-american and racist sermons at his so-called "church". Then was forced to disavow his mentor, Reverend Wright, when it became obvious that it could derail his campaign.
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No, but he sat threw many, many years of anti-american and racist sermons at his so-called "church". Then was forced to disavow his mentor, Reverend Wright, when it became obvious that it could derail his campaign.
Please, Obama used the church as a ruse to the foolish sheeple that he was a chiristian and could be trusted. Even Rev. Wright said Obama is a "politician", Rev. knows the deal about ZERO.
The moron evangelicals voted for Obama thinking he was sincere in his beliefs. They did not realize that Obama was being truthful with George S. when he said "My muslim faith".
Obama pimps religion, faith, for his own purposes.
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Or, they come with some wacky mess, like TA's claiming that, because Obama's parents weren't Christians (his dad was an atheist) and the Obamas have yet to find a home church, he's really an atheist.
Exactly.
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The issue wasn't whether or not he is a "card carrying faith head". But, whether he was a man of faith or not.
Why is it that certain atheists here love bashing political leaders, who declare that they are Christians, UNLESS IT'S OBAMA.
Then, they start making up silly theories, like he's a closet non-believer. Or "He's lying. But that's OK, because he's one of us"?
Or, they come with some wacky mess, like TA's claiming that, because Obama's parents weren't Christians (his dad was an atheist) and the Obamas have yet to find a home church, he's really an atheist.
Again, I refer you to Madalyn Murray O'Hair and her son, William Murray. Some folks here keep forgetting that many Christians became such AS ADULTS and DID NOT grow up in Christian homes.
Ain't that the truth. It's funny.