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To petition the media to check those with obviously lost credibility, those that were hardcore neocons like David Frum who now push their values as true conservatives and still receive their daily voice like nothing ever happened? I know everyone deserves to have their voice in America and this is not to take that away, I'm just questioning at what point does a group of individuals lose their cred entirely to be heard on the national level and be admonished down a notch. This guy Frum was Neocon vocal number 1 and now in the matter of a few months he's right there at his same old game with the new banner of "true conservative" Is there no payback? Is there no price to pay for being so wrong? This has nothing to do with Obama so don't take it there. I expect the dems and their supporters including me to pay a price for support we made if it turns out bad, we already do to a point. Why are people like Frum paying no price for neoconservatism? They're just going on to create their new persona with no blowback? Really?
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No petition to limit anyone's viewpoint. Eventually everyone will be limited.
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No petition to limit anyone's viewpoint. Eventually everyone will be limited.
what do you mean? In this case we're not talking about a legal or representitive thing, just letting the media know we don't like something. Really, the neocons are the first people I've seen come along and totally cause a shit storm and not have any personal fallout for it? WTF?
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what do you mean? In this case we're not talking about a legal or representitive thing, just letting the media know we don't like something. Really, the neocons are the first people I've seen come along and totally cause a shit storm and not have any personal fallout for it? WTF?
If we don't like something. Turn it off.
The Media will get the message.
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If we don't like something. Turn it off.
The Media will get the message.
I agree, but why did it fail this time? I can't fathom that people like David Frum and Bill Kristol go on with no backlash? All I'm asking for is some backlash which has amazingly been lacking. Even righties here have expressed distaste for what these guys have pushed yet here they are today talking like nothing ever happened. I expected some natural public backlash that would naturally lead toward these guys being forced to take a step back an rethink, but all they did was pretend to be true conservatives the day after the election and everyone seems to have fallen for it. What I would like is for the people to say, wait, I call BS on these fuckers. After the election I was pretty excited that we might see these phonies revealed and get back to a more natural argument between conservatives and liberals. But that didn't happen, these guys just scurried and relabeled themselves. I wanted to see some true conservative voices rise up and get back to a balance. What we had over the Bush years was a Conservative party that had been hijacked by the neoconservative movement. I am totally in awe that there has been relatively zero backlash over those who held conservatism hostage for 8 years? WTF?
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Are there any true conservatives left?
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Are there any true conservatives left?
That's what I'm wondering. Yes there are some but I think these neocons had influence for so long that most people don't seem to have an understanding. It's really sad that guys like Frum and Kristol walk without any significant backlash. If any Conservative or republican were looking for a true scapegoat for the recent success of the dems, it would surely land on the doorstep of the neoconservatives. Yet I listen to these guys each week give their opinions in the media like they don't have a single speck of backlash for their deeds. I'm truly baffled.
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That's what I'm wondering. Yes there are some but I think these neocons had influence for so long that most people don't seem to have an understanding. It's really sad that guys like Frum and Kristol walk without any significant backlash. If any Conservative or republican were looking for a true scapegoat for the recent success of the dems, it would surely land on the doorstep of the neoconservatives. Yet I listen to these guys each week give their opinions in the media like they don't have a single speck of backlash for their deeds. I'm truly baffled.
I blame the OJ trial coverage for starting all this bullshit. The very second news became entertainment with a 24 hour cycle things got messed up.
If you do ever get a petition going... do two. Someone needs to remind Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan (sp?), etc... that they don't speak for all black people. :)
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I blame the OJ trial coverage for starting all this bullshit. The very second news became entertainment with a 24 hour cycle things got messed up.
If you do ever get a petition going... do two. Someone needs to remind Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan (sp?), etc... that they don't speak for all black people. :)
holy shit, I never thought of it but it did seem to go downhill fast after that didn't it...
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To petition the media to check those with obviously lost credibility, those that were hardcore neocons like David Frum who now push their values as true conservatives and still receive their daily voice like nothing ever happened? I know everyone deserves to have their voice in America and this is not to take that away, I'm just questioning at what point does a group of individuals lose their cred entirely to be heard on the national level and be admonished down a notch. This guy Frum was Neocon vocal number 1 and now in the matter of a few months he's right there at his same old game with the new banner of "true conservative" Is there no payback? Is there no price to pay for being so wrong? This has nothing to do with Obama so don't take it there. I expect the dems and their supporters including me to pay a price for support we made if it turns out bad, we already do to a point. Why are people like Frum paying no price for neoconservatism? They're just going on to create their new persona with no blowback? Really?
We should not need a petition for these fools not to appear on TV.
The MSM loves these phonies because they are not real conservatives. I want to see Ron Paul, Schiff, DeMint, etc on the TV, not these half-a-fag DC hacks.
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I honestly have no idea who thoes ppl are but ill sign it if you add ppl like olberman to it, that ass clown is horrible.
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holy shit, I never thought of it but it did seem to go downhill fast after that didn't it...
I am sick of the DC hacks on both sides always appearing on these shows.
I dont know anyone who even closely resembles these Finocchios.
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We should not need a petition for these fools not to appear on TV.
The MSM loves these phonies because they are not real conservatives. I want to see Ron Paul, Schiff, DeMint, etc on the TV, not these half-a-fag DC hacks.
Do you mean MSNBC? They don't have neocons on, Fox News does. Other than that I agree and I think a few more names could be brought up.
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I honestly have no idea who thoes ppl are but ill sign it if you add ppl like olberman to it, that ass clown is horrible.
you really are a clueless texan aren't you :D You just kinda bull horned your way through the last 8 years oblivious... lol...
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you really are a clueless texan aren't you :D You just kinda bull horned your way through the last 8 years oblivious... lol...
LOL arent you from wyoming? yea you should make fun of where ppl live...I honestly wasnt really interested in politics up until maybe a year or so ago I paid attention a little bit but i just wasnt very interested.
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Do you mean MSNBC? They don't have neocons on, Fox News does. Other than that I agree and I think a few more names could be brought up.
All of the channels. They all suck and that why I dont watch cable news that much anymore.
I prefer youtube videos, podcasts, talk radio, etc.
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All of the channels. They all suck and that why I dont watch cable news that much anymore.
I prefer youtube videos, podcasts, talk radio, etc.
I think you're missing the point, along with Tony... completely... 100%... zip, right over your heads...
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wasnt really interested in politics up until maybe a year or so ago I paid attention a little bit but i just wasnt very interested.
obviously...
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you really are a clueless texan aren't you :D You just kinda bull horned your way through the last 8 years oblivious... lol...
Not really, there were many of us who were completely critical of Bush about illegals, harriet meyers, dubai ports, spending, CFR, NCLB, Drug Bill, etc etc etc.
Like almost every election, its a choice between who you want to kill you.
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Not really, there were many of us who were completely critical of Bush about illegals, harriet meyers, dubai ports, spending, CFR, NCLB, Drug Bill, etc etc etc.
Like almost every election, its a choice between who you want to kill you.
We're so not even on the same page here, do you get this thread? Also the post you quoted was for Tony.
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I think you're missing the point, along with Tony... completely... 100%... zip, right over your heads...
I got your point which is why i pointed out olberman that guy along with many on msnbc are ultra neoliberals and push that agenda, I dont know those guys so i cant really comment on them but if your going to advocate backlash on one side of the extreme you need to advocate it on the other side of the extreme is all im saying.
Not really, there were many of us who were completely critical of Bush about illegals, harriet meyers, dubai ports, spending, CFR, NCLB, Drug Bill, etc etc etc.
Like almost every election, its a choice between who you want to kill you.
bump for truth
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We're so not even on the same page here, do you get this thread? Also the post you quoted was for Tony.
The liberal media loves Frum because he loves Obama. The other fool crystal is another "man" who is not taken to seriously.
They will NEVER have a guy like Schiff on because he will expose them for the frauds they are.
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only if this "petition" includes an unbiased summary for the public about the movement. From the bad all the way down to rummy. Even then its a fantasy imo
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I got your point which is why i pointed out olberman that guy along with many on msnbc are ultra neoliberals and push that agenda, I dont know those guys so i cant really comment on them but if your going to advocate backlash on one side of the extreme you need to advocate it on the other side of the extreme is all im saying.
bump for truth
::) no, you obviously are oblivious, you don't get it... wow...
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::) no, you obviously are oblivious, you don't get it... wow...
Whats your point since no one gets it.
I am not for petitions like you said if that is what you are asking.
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::) no, you obviously are oblivious, you don't get it... wow...
well if nobody gets it maybe it was in your approach...
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Whats your point since no one gets it.
I am not for petitions like you said if that is what you are asking.
my point is what the fuck are neocons and neoconservative supporters doing still on the air as though they are important opinions for conservatives. You all should have dumped that shit since they are the ones that royally fucked you in the ass. Yet I often see the same group of clowns who were strong supporters of neoconservatism spouting what's good for conservatives. Now there were voices during the bush years, conservative voices who were railing against these guys. I would think there would be some demand to tell these neocons to shut their fucking mouths and to support the conservative voices. I'm not litterally talking about a petition, but more of a concerted effort to tell the media who you want to hear on the direction of conservatism and obviously who you don't want to hear which I would think would be the assclowns who fucked conservatives. I'm not specifically naming only frum and kristol but they're two big ones. hannity is huge, he was licking neocon ass for the entire time and totally gaffed off conservative voices. On Nov 5 he along with others scrambled to reinvent themselves like they had always been conservatives. AND THE PATHETIC THING IS IDIOTS BOUGHT IT! This has absolutely nothing to do with Olbermann or anyone on the left. This thread was never intended to be a left vs. right bullshit thing. I know it's easy to say, yea Olbermann ::) That's NOT what this thread is about.
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well if nobody gets it maybe it was in your approach...
maybe it's because you're a fucking moron.
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my point is what the fuck are neocons and neoconservative supporters doing still on the air as though they are important opinions for conservatives. You all should have dumped that shit since they are the ones that royally fucked you in the ass. Yet I often see the same group of clowns who were strong supporters of neoconservatism spouting what's good for conservatives. Now there were voices during the bush years, conservative voices who were railing against these guys. I would think there would be some demand to tell these neocons to shut their fucking mouths and to support the conservative voices. I'm not litterally talking about a petition, but more of a concerted effort to tell the media who you want to hear on the direction of conservatism and obviously who you don't want to hear which I would think would be the assclowns who fucked conservatives. I'm not specifically naming only frum and kristol but they're two big ones. hannity is huge, he was licking neocon ass for the entire time and totally gaffed off conservative voices. On Nov 5 he along with others scrambled to reinvent themselves like they had always been conservatives. AND THE PATHETIC THING IS IDIOTS BOUGHT IT! This has absolutely nothing to do with Olbermann or anyone on the left. This thread was never intended to be a left vs. right bullshit thing. I know it's easy to say, yea Olbermann ::) That's NOT what this thread is about.
Dont you get it?????
The media loves these clowns whether they are right and wrong.
Truth never gets in the way.
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Dont you get it?????
The media loves these clowns whether they are right and wrong.
Truth never gets in the way.
yea, so you are for telling the media this is bullshit? Why didn't you just say so.
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my point is what the fuck are neocons and neoconservative supporters doing still on the air as though they are important opinions for conservatives. You all should have dumped that shit since they are the ones that royally fucked you in the ass. Yet I often see the same group of clowns who were strong supporters of neoconservatism spouting what's good for conservatives. Now there were voices during the bush years, conservative voices who were railing against these guys. I would think there would be some demand to tell these neocons to shut their fucking mouths and to support the conservative voices. I'm not litterally talking about a petition, but more of a concerted effort to tell the media who you want to hear on the direction of conservatism and obviously who you don't want to hear which I would think would be the assclowns who fucked conservatives. I'm not specifically naming only frum and kristol but they're two big ones. hannity is huge, he was licking neocon ass for the entire time and totally gaffed off conservative voices. On Nov 5 he along with others scrambled to reinvent themselves like they had always been conservatives. AND THE PATHETIC THING IS IDIOTS BOUGHT IT! This has absolutely nothing to do with Olbermann or anyone on the left. This thread was never intended to be a left vs. right bullshit thing. I know it's easy to say, yea Olbermann ::) That's NOT what this thread is about.
Again i cant really comment on it like i said earlier I dont know what they said or who they are really. Your point is good but like many have said on here its all about the money and ratings. Also olberman does have a place in this conversation do you think that dip shit represents the vast majority of liberal america? Do you think him pushing the extreme left agenda and acting like every lefty feels that way is helping? Face it bro he is the left equivilant to the ppl you are bitching about, I say lets clean house and get rid of all left, right, extreme, middle and start over.
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yea, so you are for telling the media this is bullshit? Why didn't you just say so.
I do by not watching.
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maybe it's because you're a fucking moron.
hahah another im not wrong everyone else is wrong moment brought to you by huggy bear.
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No, I would never support this kind of censorship.
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To petition the media to check those with obviously lost credibility, those that were hardcore neocons like David Frum who now push their values as true conservatives and still receive their daily voice like nothing ever happened? I know everyone deserves to have their voice in America and this is not to take that away, I'm just questioning at what point does a group of individuals lose their cred entirely to be heard on the national level and be admonished down a notch. This guy Frum was Neocon vocal number 1 and now in the matter of a few months he's right there at his same old game with the new banner of "true conservative" Is there no payback? Is there no price to pay for being so wrong? This has nothing to do with Obama so don't take it there. I expect the dems and their supporters including me to pay a price for support we made if it turns out bad, we already do to a point. Why are people like Frum paying no price for neoconservatism? They're just going on to create their new persona with no blowback? Really?
NO.
Everyone has the right to be heard whether they are accurate of not.
If some neocon is spewing garbage and has a listening base there's nothing that should be done, outside of them inciting riots or violence.
If some radio station or news paper choses to air their voice they are doing it for there own business reasons.
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Sure as long as MSNBC is gone along with Soros, the Daily Kos, Huffington Post, New Republic, Air America, Bill Maher, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Obama, and the millions of other left wing loons that I don't agree with. Idiot thread.
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Backlash from whom? Viewers turning off their tv sets? A "4-box" debate that would feature 3 different people screaming at and talking over anything a Frum or Kristoff would say? Scathing editorials within Creators Syndicate and other Opinion columns?
No, I would not support a petition to discourage what anyone had to say, unless of course it directly orders violence towards an individual or groups. If someone were to get hurt or killed over what someone said in an opinion piece, than so be it. We live in a Free Society. Can't have it both ways. Open speech, or restricted speech. There's no cherry pickin' here. Bill Maher expressedly stated the above, but then said the opposite about those that turned up for the Tea Party rallies, stating that such activity was dangerous and perhaps should be looked at. People may chime they love free speech, but are quick to quell any dissenting opinions that don't cross their own ideologies.
Besides, Neocons are the like the funny, alcoholic uncle that shows up on holidays. Sure, he's loud and stupid, but he's gonna be invited back again and again 'cause he's a well-liked guy.
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No, I would never support this kind of censorship.
really? telling a media outlet that you think somebody sucks ass is cencorship?
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Don't watch...email...u can already do this, and people already do. But based on ratings, these people aren't going away. i would say that douchbags like Obermann and Maddow could be gone, based on lack of viewership. If people didn't respond to the Huff Post or Daily Kos they'd be gone. I might not like them, but those sites do well. Fox does well. There is an audience for it.
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really? telling a media outlet that you think somebody sucks ass is cencorship?
No. Trying to get views you disagree with from being aired is censorship.
I guess I should back up and say I don't have a problem with petitions, boycotts, etc. done by private citizens. Assuming that's what you mean?
Even if that is what you mean, I think a better approach is to present alternative viewpoints, rather trying to silence the opposition.
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Say what u want...but Fox offers debate. Mathews offers debate and does ok. The two idiots that don't..are suffering. I have no idea about Cooper, maybe people don't like him.
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Say what u want...but Fox offers debate. Mathews offers debate and does ok. The two idiots that don't..are suffering. I have no idea about Cooper, maybe people don't like him.
Joe S. and Mika have a good show in the morning.
Mika's voice on the radio is extremely sexy.
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ok, end of topic.
The one thing I know, if it were some group of neoturdbrains that turned Dems into something they were not, totally ran the party into the ground and left it dying on the side of the road and then those same guys turned right around still trying to effect things under a new banner, I would personally be all over calling up the media and telling them these guys suck and I don't want to hear their opinion,...
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ok, end of topic.
The one thing I know, if it were some group of neoturdbrains that turned Dems into something they were not, totally ran the party into the ground and left it dying on the side of the road and then those same guys turned right around still trying to effect things under a new banner, I would personally be all over calling up the media and telling them these guys suck and I don't want to hear their opinion,...
they are doing it right now!!!! dont wait....
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No, let them talk.
Anyone have today's poll that something like only 28% of americans actually claim repub status? The rest are dems and now independents?
When the voices of the party - like Rush, Steele, Palin, and Cheney - act like such douches, all it's doing is shrinking their numbers.
Repubs need a smooth, calm, dignified person who doesn't get all "offended and douchebaggy" at everything. The way some repubs are "deeply offended" by everything obama does. Gimme a break, grow a set already, and act like a repub, not a whiny lib with a neocon hat on.