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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: ozmrolympia on April 27, 2009, 05:40:12 PM
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Hi Guys,
Have you heard of a product called Genotonorm made by Sandoz. It is a solution of premix hgh and igf. Is it genuine?
Some very close friends of mine swear its the best stuff they have ever used.
Thanks.
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Hi Guys,
Have you heard of a product called Genotonorm made by Sandoz. It is a solution of premix hgh and igf. Is it genuine?
Some very close friends of mine swear its the best stuff they have ever used.
Thanks.
I would think that stuff would have to be handled carefully and kept in special conditions and used relatively quickly?
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Apparently it is bought into Greece properly that is kept cold etc.
The product comes in 5 x 5ml vials with each ml having 4iu HGH and 50mcg IGF long acting.
The guys using it are top level European amateurs and they swear its unbelievable.
I have my doubts as i have never seen this product anywhere other than Greece.
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Yeah i would think if that stuff is going a long way on the black market trail, it would be mishandled somewhere along the line.
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I agree.
But the people that provide it are top shelf and everything they ever touch or import is real and genuine and they swear by it.
I would have thought someone had seen it or knew about it :)
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how do they combine two very delicate hormones in one vial? Do they not react to each other or anything?
jt
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No idea. Interesting question!
Maybe GH15 can comment.
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how do they combine two very delicate hormones in one vial? Do they not react to each other or anything?
jt
I'd be very suspect of this product since IGF requires Acetic Acid for reconstitution and GH needs BW. The PH levels of the AA might have a serious negative effect on the GH. If the IGF wasn't reconstituted in AA then it's rendered pretty much useless after a few hours and all you are left with is the GH or whatever they put in there.
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I'd be very suspect of this product since IGF requires Acetic Acid for reconstitution and GH needs BW. The PH levels of the AA might have a serious negative effect on the GH. If the IGF wasn't reconstituted in AA then it's rendered pretty much useless after a few hours and all you are left with is the GH or whatever they put in there.
thx that is exactly what I was wondering, seems pretty far fetched for this to actually work in the end.
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I have emailed Sandoz biopharm department and i am awaiting their reply. Will post once i have received that reply.
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I'm sure there's no such legitimate product. Just by reading the label (long acting: 16 hours and etc).
Bodybuilders are stupid though and will take anything without checking.
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Genotonorm is apparently a Phizer hGH product.
To my knowledge that form of IGF-1 has never been trialed in humans anywhere either.
Fake product for sure.
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Sandoz is %100 good.
I get my test from cvs, and it is sandoz.
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Sandoz is %100 good.
I get my test from cvs, and it is sandoz.
My GH (omnitrope) is made by sandoz.
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Sandoz is %100 good.
I get my test from cvs, and it is sandoz.
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Who said Sandoz, the pharmaceutical manufacturer, was bad?
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VB: Is that Danny Carey in your avatar?
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I'm sure there's no such legitimate product. Just by reading the label (long acting: 16 hours and etc).
Bodybuilders are stupid though and will take anything without checking.
Not crazy about about this generalization. >:(
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it's a French product in fact but available in all europa, but to complicated to get in france.
and of course it's legit and it's rules !
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VB: Is that Danny Carey in your avatar?
No that's Aleister Crowley.
Not crazy about about this generalization. >:(
It's a generalization for sure but counterfeiters wouldn't make products like this unless they could sell them. I remember years past when some good bb'ers I know bought some 600iu bottles of "pig growth hormone". God only knows what was in them but use it they did. :o
Just look at jon cole's post below and ozmrolympia's post on BoS
Guys selling it are top notch and swear black and blue that it is genuine and not counterfeit.
Is manufactured by sandox under their biopharmaceuticals banner.
Currently being used by a top level Greek Bodybuilder who swears its top notch. I have personally seen him inject it and he is a close friend of mine.
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it's a French product in fact but available in all europa, but to complicated to get in france.
and of course it's legit and it's rules !
If there was such a product you could find it with google, of that I'm sure.
Why would Sandoz use a name already in use? There's a ton of things that don't add up even at a first glance.
If you're sure this product exists as a legitimate drug made by Sandoz please show some evidence.
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If there was such a product you could find it with google, of that I'm sure.
Why would Sandoz use a name already in use? There's a ton of things that don't add up even at a first glance.
If you're sure this product exists as a legitimate drug made by Sandoz please show some evidence.
Bro, trust me, sandoz is more than fine, I get it at a legit CVS pharmacy in the USA.
US pharmacy'e dont fuck around with bad shit.
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Bro, trust me, sandoz is more than fine, I get it at a legit CVS pharmacy in the USA.
US pharmacy'e dont fuck around with bad shit.
Dude!
No one's saying Sandoz isn't fine. This product isn't made by Sandoz, it's a fake drug! Get it?
Or are you really suggesting you know this particular product is fine?
Genotonorm is hGH made by Pfizer. This "Sandoz" Genotonorm contains IGF-1 in addition, in a form never researched for use in humans. And it's supposed to be on the commercial market now?
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exactly, why the hell would a legit pharm company produce this product? It has no other use except for selling to bodybuilders no? Why would a regular person want both IGF and HGH in same vial????? This just doesn't seem real.
jt
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I'm not sure that's what V.B. was saying.
I don't think that the 2 peptides can be mixed. Van can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's either 191 or 192aa, can't be both.
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I'm not sure that's what V.B. was saying.
I don't think that the 2 peptides can be mixed. Van can correct me if I'm wrong, but it's either 191 or 192aa, can't be both.
It might be possible to mix the two (IGF and GH) and even have them stable in a pre-mixed solution but they wouldn't do that, for various reasons.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with the 191AA/192AA but that's correct, it's either or.
It's just so very obvious that it's a fake product, which makes my point about (many) bodybuilders being reckless and stupid. Probably sells well.
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Oh brother ::) If anyone thinks an HGH IGF combo is a legit pharmaceutical product really needs to have their head examined. There is absolutely no legit mainstream medical use for an HGH/IGF combination. Like they told you over at BOS it's probably not even HGH But LR3 IGF.
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post this stuff on bodyofsceience they are good at telling legit or not
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post this stuff on bodyofsceience they are good at telling legit or not
i think it's common sense that it is not no? Maybe they should throw in 10iu's of slin too!
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Dude!
No one's saying Sandoz isn't fine. This product isn't made by Sandoz, it's a fake drug! Get it?
Or are you really suggesting you know this particular product is fine?
Genotonorm is hGH made by Pfizer. This "Sandoz" Genotonorm contains IGF-1 in addition, in a form never researched for use in humans. And it's supposed to be on the commercial market now?
Oh, I thought he was asking if Sandoz is legit company. Have no idea bout hgh, only ever used serostim.
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Dear................
Thank you very much for your information request of May 1, 2009, addressed to Friedrich Nachtmann, regarding a product described as "Genotonorm Sandoz". The request has been forwarded to me for response.
The product you describe is not manufactured or sold by any Sandoz company or by any of our affiliates. On the contrary, it would seem that the internationally-respected Sandoz company name and trademark is being misused here to sell a very questionable and most probably illicit product.
We strongly recommend that you refrain from ordering or consuming this product, as doing so could result in a serious risk to your health. In order to assess the associated health risk, we would appreciate you sending it to us at the address below.
In case of any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind regards, Mit freundlichen Grüssen, Meilleures salutations,
Dr. Gernot Schreiber
Head Global Pharmacovigilance and EU Qualified Person for Pharmacovigilance
Sandoz International GmbH
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I think you should do the right thing. Pay for it and then send it to them for testing. ;D
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I think i can find much better ways to spend my 800 euro :)
There will be a few upset people in Greece this weekend especially after i foward them the email :)
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I think i can find much better ways to spend my 800 euro :)
There will be a few upset people in Greece this weekend especially after i foward them the email :)
It's amazing, yet not surprising, that even high level competitors consume products like this. Such an obvious fake product.
it's a French product in fact but available in all europa, but to complicated to get in france.
and of course it's legit and it's rules !
Really? I feel sorry for you. ;)
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Van_bildarass, i know of two greek olympic team athletes using this product and they swear by it :)
Now i know why a friend that competed in a bodybuilding show in Greece last year was soft. He thought he was using 4iu per day of this rubbish and spent 3000 euro on this fake hgh and he just didnt look like he was using 4iu per day as he wasnt leaning out like he should have been if he was using legit HGH. I called him earlier and broke the news and he was devastated, i feel sorry for the supplier :)