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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: pellius on April 28, 2009, 02:07:33 AM
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I like this guy and think he does a lot of good work and has some real credibility. From his BOS site:
I just want to make a very clear statement as to my position on the use of Underground Steroids. This forum is public and uncensored barring our rules for dealing drugs and improper behavior. There is often a lot of discussion about this or that underground lab. How excellent the products are, and how they are perfectly pure etc. etc. I want to make sure everyone reading understands what underground steroids really are.
Underground labs are illegal unlicensed operations. It is not possible for these labs to directly purchase bulk pharmaceutical quality steroids to package for the public. Very few, if any, have the resources to obtain true USP (99+% tested pure) materials. Fewer still would spend the money on these materials even if they could obtain them, as they are very expensive.
Instead, underground labs obtain their drugs (99%) from unlicensed Chinese brokers. The thing you need to understand about China is that it has a strong regulated drug market. The U.S. buys a lot of real drugs from China. HOWEVER - The steroids we are talking about are very very rarely produced at pharmaceutical facilities.
The VAST MAJORITY of bulk steroids coming from China are produced in chemical companies. Imagine if you will a company that makes pesticides, synthetic dyes, or other manufacturing-level chemicals, and one day said, "You know what, we can make steroids in here if we want". These chemical companies are not licensed to produce drugs, and do not have to comply with even the minimal of GMP guidelines. They are not inspected. Rarely do they have the capacity to produce very pure products. Still, they very often do produce drugs. In fact, it is estimated that HALF of all drugs sold in China come from this illegal chemical market. This number is significantly higher with anabolic steroids.
It doesn't matter how much you filter a solution. Many things can pass through a .22-micro screen. If you are making drugs with impure steroid APIs, you will produce underground steroids that are impure.
While I concede that there are many underground products of acceptable (safe) purity, the market at its core is completely unregulated, and feeds off a completely unregulated supply chain of rouge chemical companies.
So, in short, it is my opinion now, as it as been for a very long time, that consumers:
SHOULD NOT KNOWINGLY USE UNDERGROUND ANABOLIC STEROIDS
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www.BodyofScience.com
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Hits that nail on the head. That raw powder shit is garbage. Thanks to the US Govt the undergtound just got more unsafe. Prohibition changes nothing. It just gets more people hurt and sick. Makes people realize that Mexico wasnt that bad
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Excellent post by Llewellyn.
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So where do people get their gear? Human Grade comming out of Europe is flagged by customes to the point where they won't resend to many countries. It might take 3 shots to get Omnas driving the price up to $18 to $21 bucks per amp.
Dave Jackobs was buying all his powder out of China and half the NFL was using it, Branch, Johnny J etc . . . no deaths.
Thisis a game where you roll the dice.
The Beef
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C'mon this guy is the steroid only reliable, truthfull to the tee guru for the last decade or two.
Anything he says is right on the money, and you can take it to the bank. His books are a must
read for ANYONE thinkin of doing AAS. Forget about the internet,
Anyone can fake a screen name. Not saying this is so, it sounds like
something he would say, but, he has in the past said there are some
decent UG labs. But this was around Anabolics 2004, where in which
I have all his book except for the 2009 edition. Steroids used to be good
even from UG labs. How things have changed. Nobody has a consiounce (SIC)
anymore, and will sell shit, even if it would kill the user. The annonymity of the internet
including GH15 (who usually is spot on) should be taken with a grain, no a gram of salt.
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Right, but then we have the HG fakes. lol
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec3_1240921750 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec3_1240921750)
this guy used UG labs...
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in a perfect world no one would have to use ug products or dodgy chinese powders.
the 'man' would get his cut from tax, the big pharma's would get their cut from sales and the people would get reliable, safe gear at a decent price while being monitored by a doc.
instead bodybuilders are relegated to to same level of low life junkies and crack addicts ::)
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in a perfect world no one would have to use ug products or dodgy chinese powders.
the 'man' would get his cut from tax, the big pharma's would get their cut from sales and the people would get reliable, safe gear at a decent price while being monitored by a doc.
instead bodybuilders are relegated to to same level of low life junkies and crack addicts ::)
Another moronic post from you FP......however I have come to expect nothing more.
You think a BBer would mug a woman walking home from work to get his next "hit" of sustanon?
Or perhaps hold up a corner shop with an AIDs infected needle so he can get some more IGF-1?
You really are a wank stain FP. ::)
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Another moronic post from you FP......however I have come to expect nothing more.
You think a BBer would mug a woman walking home from work to get his next "hit" of Sustanon?
Or perhaps hold up a corner shop with an AIDs infected needle so he can get some more IGF-1?
You really are a wank stain FP. ::)
No kidding. I've seen junkies talking about how to sharpen used rigs so they can bang their next hit of heroin.. on internet forums!!!
BB'ers are no where near that level. Even the most pathetic juice monkey is still smarter than a crack head. Steroid users are some of the most intelligent controlled substance abusers. There are still some idiots but there is a huge contrast between what you propose and what happens in real life.
I've never seen anyone jonesing for some dbol. But I have seen crack heads break into a house full of pitbulls to steal scratch and win tickets and get fucking mauled close to death.
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You really are a wank stain FP. ::)
x - every Atom in the universe.
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instead bodybuilders are relegated to to same level of low life junkies and crack addicts ::)
You did, of course, mean - to the same level - didn't you ??
Oh my.
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How many chins can you get out these days Mr O - as in Obesity ??
& how many sets, at your body weight/body fat % ??
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You did, of course, mean - to the same level - didn't you ??
Oh my.
LOL....There were too many "to's" in that there post eh PT?
What do you expect from a bloke who has an IQ as high as his waist size.
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LOL....There were too many "to's" in that there post eh PT?
What do you expect from a bloke who has an IQ as high as his waist size.
Don't say that, he thinks he is a 32 waist, dude, FFS !!
He has reverse 'Anorexia' - this is a - VERY - SERIOUS PHYSIOLOGICAL ISSUE, not a condition to be turned into some juvenile attempt at humor young man.
Shame on you
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LOL....There were too many "to's" in that there post eh PT?
What do you expect from a bloke who has an IQ as high as his waist size.
hahaha.
Did you ever see the post wherein tubby was called out by Dante Doggcrapp?
Imagine it; you have been training for YEARS, you have been sacrificing a lot over the past YEARS, and now you have the GOLDEN opportunity to smack a man of Dantes standing right in thne face with your honest to goodness results... or...
... you could do what ONLY THE MOST PATHETIC OF SMALL DICKED LOSERS would do, that being, post a pic of you at 30%BF in morning suit; a picture that does NOTHING other than GRAPHICALLY reveal that despite fat lads sacrifices over the past few years, he - being the bun eating incompetent toerag he is - has NOTHING to show for it other than his BIG FAT GUT.
LOLz X 10000
:D
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I STILL WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY FUCKING CHINS HE CAN DO AT - that BW + BF%
Come on tubby - out with it.
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in a perfect world no one would have to use ug products or dodgy chinese powders.
the 'man' would get his cut from tax, the big pharma's would get their cut from sales and the people would get reliable, safe gear at a decent price while being monitored by a doc.
instead bodybuilders are relegated to to same level of low life junkies and crack addicts ::)
Yeah buddy!!!!!!!!!! well said
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Yeah buddy!!!!!!!!!! well said
Found the fat one.
look at the avatar text.
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you're using illegal drugs, so be a man and just take the shit or don't it really doesnt matter, its not like you can take it up with the BBB so shut the fuck up and take your roids like a man. If you get sick you get sick its all part of the experience
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Don't say that, he thinks he is a 32 waist, dude, FFS !!
He has reverse 'Anorexia' - this is a - VERY - SERIOUS PHYSIOLOGICAL ISSUE, not a condition to be turned into some juvenile attempt at humor young man.
Shame on you
LOL
But I heard he was a bulimic with dementia..............he forgets to be sick.
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you're using illegal drugs, so be a man and just take the shit or don't it really doesnt matter, its not like you can take it up with the BBB so shut the fuck up and take your roids like a man. If you get sick you get sick its all part of the experience
Why are they illegal like street drugs. Uninformed politicians. That 's why they are illegal. Dont you ever question why things are illegal or do you just follow the flock?
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And this is exactly why they should be legalized. Until then, i'm gonna buy ug stuff because it's all i can get here.
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I like this guy and think he does a lot of good work and has some real credibility. From his BOS site:
I just want to make a very clear statement as to my position on the use of Underground Steroids. This forum is public and uncensored barring our rules for dealing drugs and improper behavior. There is often a lot of discussion about this or that underground lab. How excellent the products are, and how they are perfectly pure etc. etc. I want to make sure everyone reading understands what underground steroids really are.
Underground labs are illegal unlicensed operations. It is not possible for these labs to directly purchase bulk pharmaceutical quality steroids to package for the public. Very few, if any, have the resources to obtain true USP (99+% tested pure) materials. Fewer still would spend the money on these materials even if they could obtain them, as they are very expensive.
Instead, underground labs obtain their drugs (99%) from unlicensed Chinese brokers. The thing you need to understand about China is that it has a strong regulated drug market. The U.S. buys a lot of real drugs from China. HOWEVER - The steroids we are talking about are very very rarely produced at pharmaceutical facilities.
The VAST MAJORITY of bulk steroids coming from China are produced in chemical companies. Imagine if you will a company that makes pesticides, synthetic dyes, or other manufacturing-level chemicals, and one day said, "You know what, we can make steroids in here if we want". These chemical companies are not licensed to produce drugs, and do not have to comply with even the minimal of GMP guidelines. They are not inspected. Rarely do they have the capacity to produce very pure products. Still, they very often do produce drugs. In fact, it is estimated that HALF of all drugs sold in China come from this illegal chemical market. This number is significantly higher with anabolic steroids.
It doesn't matter how much you filter a solution. Many things can pass through a .22-micro screen. If you are making drugs with impure steroid APIs, you will produce underground steroids that are impure.
While I concede that there are many underground products of acceptable (safe) purity, the market at its core is completely unregulated, and feeds off a completely unregulated supply chain of rouge chemical companies.
So, in short, it is my opinion now, as it as been for a very long time, that consumers:
SHOULD NOT KNOWINGLY USE UNDERGROUND ANABOLIC STEROIDS
__________________
www.BodyofScience.com
He's right but unfortunately but actual pharmacutical grade steroids is extremely hard to find. Most people are stuff with getting their gear from a UG lab. Its better than nothing for most who are trying to compete on the national level.
Its better not even to fool with the gear.
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He's right but unfortunately but actual pharmacutical grade steroids is extremely hard to find.
Maybe harder to find in some parts of the world but a lot of times guys use UG is because they are cheap. They can have access to pharma grade but go for the UG to save a few lousy bucks.
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He's right but unfortunately but actual pharmacutical grade steroids is extremely hard to find. Most people are stuff with getting their gear from a UG lab. Its better than nothing for most who are trying to compete on the national level.
Its better not even to fool with the gear.
Did you mean "stuck" perchance you retarded chocolate drop?
HG gear is available, but most are too tight fisted to pay for it or too lazy to source it out!
VINCE G THE POSTER BOY FOR STAYING NATURAL - BUHLIVE 2 ACHIEVE NIGGGGGZZZZ
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Why are they illegal like street drugs. Uninformed politicians. That 's why they are illegal. Dont you ever question why things are illegal or do you just follow the flock?
not here to debate why things are "illegal" next time stay on track you fucking skinny bottom twink
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Maybe harder to find in some parts of the world but a lot of times guys use UG is because they are cheap. They can have access to pharma grade but go for the UG to save a few lousy bucks.
Yea, the UG stuff is always going to be much cheaper and easier to get ahold of. But the Pharma grade is harder to obtain because a lot of the shit is counterfeit anyway.
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not here to debate why things are "illegal" next time stay on track you fucking skinny bottom twink
Wow Brent great rebuttal. Your mastery of homosexual terms is excellent and very original. Brent I think YOU are off the topic because WE were talking about Llewellyns' position on UG's and you come on here with your "their illegal drugs anyway so if you play you pay" bullshit post. Put a bit more thought into your posts and you wont look like such a clown and I wont have to make you look foolish again :D
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Another moronic post from you FP......however I have come to expect nothing more.
You think a BBer would mug a woman walking home from work to get his next "hit" of sustanon?
Or perhaps hold up a corner shop with an AIDs infected needle so he can get some more IGF-1?
You really are a wank stain FP. ::)
I'm no fan of FP but I think you missed his point. He didn't say that BBers ACT like junkies but they are practically treated as such by LE.
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Why are they illegal like street drugs. Uninformed politicians. That 's why they are illegal. Dont you ever question why things are illegal or do you just follow the flock?
QFT. Alcohol use to be illegal and during prohibition it was a life and death game. Just as stupid as making hormones, something that you own body produces, illegal.
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roids make me happy...
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Wow Brent great rebuttal. Your mastery of homosexual terms is excellent and very original. Brent I think YOU are off the topic because WE were talking about Llewellyns' position on UG's and you come on here with your "their illegal drugs anyway so if you play you pay" bullshit post. Put a bit more thought into your posts and you wont look like such a clown and I wont have to make you look foolish again :D
oh shit 2 snaps... damn
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Yea, the UG stuff is always going to be much cheaper and easier to get ahold of. But the Pharma grade is harder to obtain because a lot of the shit is counterfeit anyway.
Dude I don't usually pay much attention to you but you are fucking clueless. There are certain HG compounds that are faked fairly often. But HG gear is usually spot on as far as quality and dose. William Llwellyn has substantiated this lots of times on his site and through various lab tests. HG gear is VERY easy to come buy. You just have to know the right people and find the right sources. I can think of several sources right now that post openly on various boards that offer HG gear, ship to the US and have low seizure rates. I've NEVER had a problem getting stuff snagged by customs. But I don't order a lot at one time and do it very infrequently. You guys know how much fucking mail comes through the USPS and customs? You guys act like nothing gets through. There is much more shit that gets through than gets snagged.
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Another moronic post from you FP......however I have come to expect nothing more.
You think a BBer would mug a woman walking home from work to get his next "hit" of sustanon?
Or perhaps hold up a corner shop with an AIDs infected needle so he can get some more IGF-1?
You really are a wank stain FP. ::)
calm down gloria, its not my fault you lack the intellect to figure out what i meant.
however i'll happily explain it to you:
i the states if you take heroin, crack etc you will go to jail - if you take steroids you will go to jail.
do you understand that ? is that too much for your 1 brain cell to comprehend ::)
i do not think bodybuilders are the same as crack addicts, but the law makers do not think there is too much difference.
oh and nice gimmick/sock puppet induced 7 post meltdown ;D
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Dude I don't usually pay much attention to you but you are fucking clueless. There are certain HG compounds that are faked fairly often. But HG gear is usually spot on as far as quality and dose. William Llwellyn has substantiated this lots of times on his site and through various lab tests. HG gear is VERY easy to come buy. You just have to know the right people and find the right sources. I can think of several sources right now that post openly on various boards that offer HG gear, ship to the US and have low seizure rates. I've NEVER had a problem getting stuff snagged by customs. But I don't order a lot at one time and do it very infrequently. You guys know how much fucking mail comes through the USPS and customs? You guys act like nothing gets through. There is much more shit that gets through than gets snagged.
Bingo, shit is getting grabbed out of Poland, the guys refuse not to put return addy's on the pack. A lot of the time it's getting snatched in the country of origin . . . guys know the system and re-sell the gear. HG is plentyful . . .
Vince, stay the fuck out of threads that have to do with bodybuildng.
The Beef
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Underground labs are the damn best...
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