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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
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i honestly dont care
if somebody wants to say theve got great genetics...ok...whatever ... or say theyve got shit genetics...whatever..... all that matters is what you look like... at the end of the day theres no way possible to tell if someone is lying about their training experience, diet, drug use...so theres no way to tell if anyone actually has good "GENETICS" or not..... the only thing genetic that can be assesed would be genetic structure... but as far as metabolism, building muscle...etc... only the bodybuilder himself truly knows
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i honestly dont care
if somebody wants to say theve got great genetics...ok...whatever ... or say theyve got shit genetics...whatever..... all that matters is what you look like... at the end of the day theres no way possible to tell if someone is lying about their training experience, diet, drug use...so theres no way to tell if anyone actually has good "GENETICS" or not..... the only thing genetic that can be assesed would be genetic structure... but as far as metabolism, building muscle...etc... only the bodybuilder himself truly knows
i ABSOLUTLEY KNOW how long this guy has been hitting it hard and i'm telling you he's blown up like a balloon in the last 3 years, he's also on the conservative side when it comes to "supplements", already looks like a mini IFBB pro just walking around.
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so theres no way to tell if anyone actually has good "GENETICS" or not.....
Absolute rubbish. Genetics isn't about your repsonse to drugs alone - in bodybuilding, when you talk about genetics, you mean a whole lot of things, like your structure, sweep of your muscle bellies, the way your body responds to training, how resilient you are to lifting heavy and taking anabolics and stuff like that.
That's why if you look at the Olympia top 10, nearly all of them take the same amount / kind of drug cocktail and some of the guys who place lower train harder than the guys who place above them. So why is there only one guy with Ronnie's muscularity or Dorian's back? Are you saying if someone like Peter Putnam ate, trained and took the same stuff Ronnie or Dorian did, his back would look similar to theirs? No way.
QO, you are right - if you want to make it to the pro ranks, your genetics must be right (as in right structure, response to juice etc). If you took someone like DJ Qualls, for example, who is very thin and lanky, no matter what he did or took, he'll never have the sweep, shape, density and look of someone like say, Dennis James. On top of having the right genetics, if you do all the stuff needed (hard, consistent training, use of hormones etc), then you can become a pro as long as a whole lot of factors fall into place.
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i ABSOLUTLEY KNOW how long this guy has been hitting it hard and i'm telling you he's blown up like a balloon in the last 3 years, he's also on the conservative side when it comes to "supplements", already looks like a mini IFBB pro just walking around.
LOL Watch out big man, you will hurt many feelings with this piece of truth... tbooonz = just got reality checked....
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LOL Watch out big man, you will hurt many feelings with this piece of truth... tbooonz = just got reality checked....
i'm not saying anything about Candi aka Tbombz genetics because i don't know him well enough but i DO KNOW of tons of local gym rats who have also competed for YEARS who couldn't carry the guy i train with's jock when it comes to putting on quality muscle and keeping his waist and sahpe in check and some of these guys have used 3 times the amount of goodies he does.
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i honestly dont care
if somebody wants to say theve got great genetics...ok...whatever ... or say theyve got shit genetics...whatever..... all that matters is what you look like... at the end of the day theres no way possible to tell if someone is lying about their training experience, diet, drug use...so theres no way to tell if anyone actually has good "GENETICS" or not..... the only thing genetic that can be assesed would be genetic structure... but as far as metabolism, building muscle...etc... only the bodybuilder himself truly knows
Your structure sucks.
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i ABSOLUTLEY KNOW how long this guy has been hitting it hard and i'm telling you he's blown up like a balloon in the last 3 years, he's also on the conservative side when it comes to "supplements", already looks like a mini IFBB pro just walking around.
im not going to debate this with you. i dont know him and theres no point in that.
but ill say this...theres no way possible anybody knows for sure what anybody else is doing...how hard they are training..how long theyve been training...what the are taking...what they are eating.... impossible for anyone to know this...
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i honestly dont care
if somebody wants to say theve got great genetics...ok...whatever ... or say theyve got shit genetics...whatever..... all that matters is what you look like... at the end of the day theres no way possible to tell if someone is lying about their training experience, diet, drug use...so theres no way to tell if anyone actually has good "GENETICS" or not..... the only thing genetic that can be assesed would be genetic structure... but as far as metabolism, building muscle...etc... only the bodybuilder himself truly knows
bullshit. if you have (like most people have) short muscle bellies with long attachments
and large bone joints, you aint never gonna be a pro or top amatuer. drugs or not.
this is what matters when it comes to genetics. all pros have longer than average muscle
bellies, short attachments and small bone joint structure.
it's easy to tell this as well. look for the gap between the bicep and elbow for example
you know nothing
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
Bingo, easy to think that its not when you see photos of untrained old pros with health issues, but it is still the most important aspect with regards to bodybuilding, not to say that a good genetic response to AS isnt part of the genetic assesment.
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bullshit. if you have (like most people have) short muscle bellies with long attachments
and large bone joints, you aint never gonna be a pro or top amatuer. drugs or not.
this is what matters when it comes to genetics. all pros have longer than average muscle
bellies, short attachments and small bone joint structure.
it's easy to tell this as well. look for the gap between the bicep and elbow for example
you know nothing
the guy i'm talking about has literally the longest fullest muscle bellies i've ever seen in EVERY muscle, biceps insert so low it loks like they're on top of his forearm, lats start near his waist and quad sweep and teardrops just hang there, insane.
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They refer to 'the midget' as a 'genetic freak'. Yes, this said midget stands at a massive 5foot 4. LOL.
Again, to be put in the true-genetics-league, one must be at least 6 foot plus and carry real and natural muscle.
Yes, the drug abusers don't count...anyone can abuse roids and attain muscle density...just ask the midget!
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Absolute rubbish. Genetics isn't about your repsonse to drugs alone - in bodybuilding, when you talk about genetics, you mean a whole lot of things, like your structure, sweep of your muscle bellies, the way your body responds to training, how resilient you are to lifting heavy and taking anabolics and stuff like that.
That's why if you look at the Olympia top 10, nearly all of them take the same amount / kind of drug cocktail and some of the guys who place lower train harder than the guys who place above them. So why is there only one guy with Ronnie's muscularity or Dorian's back? Are you saying if someone like Peter Putnam ate, trained and took the same stuff Ronnie or Dorian did, his back would look similar to theirs? No way.
QO, you are right - if you want to make it to the pro ranks, your genetics must be right (as in right structure, response to juice etc). If you took someone who DJ Qualls, for example, who is very thin and lanky, no matter what he did or took, he'll never have the sweep, shape, density and look of someone like say, Dennis James. On top of having the right genetics, if you do all the stuff needed (hard, consistent training, use of hormones etc), then you can become a pro as long as a whole lot of factors fall into place.
These are the words of a person who knows bodybuilding.
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The term 'genetic freak' is over used and misused in this so-called sport.
Again, how can a midget standing at a massive 5 foot 4 (and abuses drugs for 20 years) be classified as a genetic freak? LOL
Short people= NOT genetic freak!
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has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success,
You're just piecing this together now? Thanks for the update captain obvious. Tommorow you'll discover that speed and hand eye coordination are important to football.
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You're just piecing this together now? Thanks for the update captain obvious. Tommorow you'll discover that speed and hand eye coordination are important to football.
;D
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;D
Reduced to this? :(
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You're just piecing this together now? Thanks for the update captain obvious. Tommorow you'll discover that speed and hand eye coordination are important to football.
ROFL ;D
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Most regular people could take the dosages that the pros take and would look like shit (for example: TDongz). Genetics is what seperates the average juicing tools from the pros.
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To be Born to be a pro here are the requirements:
1. Midget - if you are over 5'7" give up the dream
2. Gay - or atleast bi to the point that you don't mind fags touching and drooling over you
3. Risktaker - willing to take massive amounts of drugs that will make his body look like shit when older
I'm sure there are plenty more, but if you were born with these 3 you may have been "born to be a pro"
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To be Born to be a pro here are the requirements:
1. Midget - if you are over 5'7" give up the dream
2. Gay - or atleast bi to the point that you don't mind fags touching and drooling over you
3. Risktaker - willing to take massive amounts of drugs that will make his body look like shit when older
I'm sure there are plenty more, but if you were born with these 3 you may have been "born to be a pro"
In other words: A short stupid moron.
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
genetics is EVERYTHING in bodybuilding.
a friend of mine is a crazy good bodybuilder and he isn't even that big, but the roundness of his muscle make him look twice bigger onstage
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Lots of hurt little insecure egos on this thread. Some realistics like Stavios and QO.
Genetics = everything.
Ask Palumbo; if genetical structure doesn't get you (it does more these days), the drug amount required for you to "keep up" with the genetically blessed will eventually catch up to you...
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Lots of hurt little insecure egos on this thread. Some realistics like Stavios and QO.
Genetics = everything.
Ask Palumbo; if genetical structure doesn't get you (it does more these days), the drug amount required for you to "keep up" with the genetically blesses will eventually catch up to you...
Exactly.
Drugs will make you big.
but they won't make you "look big" onstage if your muscle bellies and insertions suck ass
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Ask Palumbo
I'm predicting a mutant hybrid of the Palumboism virus and Swine Flu... coming to a gym near you this summer!
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
Yes, but so what? There are tons of guys with great genetics who never work out and look very average. There are also plenty of guys who are not genetically predisposed to be huge but get there via hard work.
Genetics load the gun; you choices (hard work or not) pull the trigger.
Bah! Doom has spoken.
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i honestly dont care
if somebody wants to say theve got great genetics...ok...whatever ... or say theyve got shit genetics...whatever..... all that matters is what you look like... at the end of the day theres no way possible to tell if someone is lying about their training experience, diet, drug use...so theres no way to tell if anyone actually has good "GENETICS" or not..... the only thing genetic that can be assesed would be genetic structure... but as far as metabolism, building muscle...etc... only the bodybuilder himself truly knows
Just goes to show that with all your parroting of info,you know jack shit about bodybuilding.
Genetics is key....coupled with a good diet and an outstanding work ethic,a person is going to look far better than someone who eats perfectly, trains balls out, but has a shitty metabolism,bone structure,and ligament,muscle, and tendon attathments,and short muscle bellies.
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Pics of said genetic freak??????
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
If you like it so much why don't you put a ring on it?
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I'm predicting a mutant hybrid of the Palumboism virus and Swine Flu... coming to a gym near you this summer!
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Pics of said genetic freak??????
All Plazmosis!
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All Plazmosis!
kamali has gone far in pro bbing,and look where his genetics got him,very big yes,even though he gets a pass due to offseason shape,you see someone very soft as opossed to say dex,kamali has thick knees,wrists,but shorted bi's it throws off from his big shoulders.his genetics dictate he should have stayed lighter .
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There are guys in gyms across the globe who in person look very impressive and maybe even can do very well and win local state shows...However these same guys wouldn't even crack the top 15 at the national level regardless of what they do and for how long...
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kamali has gone far in pro bbing,and look where his genetics got him,very big yes,even though he gets a pass due to offseason shape,you see someone very soft as opossed to say dex,kamali has thick knees,wrists,but shorted bi's it throws off from his big shoulders.his genetics dictate he should have stayed lighter .
I hope kamali reads this, a post full of new angles no one ever talked about. Pure gold.
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It is the defining factor when everything else is equal.
For example, when we were kids, there were always some who were faster runners than others. No-one had really done serious training then so a lot of it boiled down to genetics.
Now if you were an average runner but spent years training hard you could possibly be as good as the genetically elite guys who didn't train hard. But if those guys did train hard then it's all over. That's what makes the best of the best in any sport and especially BBing, which is why no matter how many drugs or how hard one trains they arn't going to look like Ronnie or Dorian and i think this is one of the few sports where there are amaters who do try as hard to be like the pro's but just don't have the genetics.
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
Dave, you know that drugs are the most important. Drugs > genetics
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He's only been training for 6 years - this guy was born to be a pro bodybuilder.
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where's that pic of palumbo, when he was skinny?
he almost turned pro 10 years later.
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I do
and when I say bodybuilding I mean gettingon stage leaned out next to others
bodybuilding not mass accumulating
many can get beefy
very few look good shedding the fat and keeping muscle
when you get rid of the fat and keep muscle, your structure and each and every flaw is exposed from front back and opening up
genetics make the difference in competitive bb
but many can get beefy w/ hormones
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genetics is EVERYTHING in bodybuilding.
a friend of mine is a crazy good bodybuilder and he isn't even that big, but the roundness of his muscle make him look twice bigger onstage
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He's only been training for 6 years - this guy was born to be a pro bodybuilder.
I wonder if this guy has built a foundation of at least 2yrs before juicing hard....
No wonder he shrinks like a little bitch when he goes "off".
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
what about his nutrition QO?
Is he the type of guy who gets paranoid at measuring everything he eats or he just eats lots of junk and clean food as long as he take in enough proteoin?
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I think it's hard for guys to admit they just don't have great genetic shape.
Then they look at Levrone's arms and say "I could have those arms with the right drugs/training/nutrition"
I openly admit that all the drugs in the world wouldn't turn me pro.
I got short bi's, grabage forearms and calves, super skinny wrists, high lats, thick skin.....
All genetics.
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
YES
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Getbigger Genetic Freak:
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I think it's hard for guys to admit they just don't have great genetic shape.
Then they look at Levrone's arms and say "I could have those arms with the right drugs/training/nutrition"
I openly admit that all the drugs in the world wouldn't turn me pro.
I got short bi's, grabage forearms and calves, super skinny wrists, high lats, thick skin.....
All genetics.
Same here....minus the calves....
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Absolute rubbish. Genetics isn't about your repsonse to drugs alone - in bodybuilding, when you talk about genetics, you mean a whole lot of things, like your structure, sweep of your muscle bellies, the way your body responds to training, how resilient you are to lifting heavy and taking anabolics and stuff like that.
That's why if you look at the Olympia top 10, nearly all of them take the same amount / kind of drug cocktail and some of the guys who place lower train harder than the guys who place above them. So why is there only one guy with Ronnie's muscularity or Dorian's back? Are you saying if someone like Peter Putnam ate, trained and took the same stuff Ronnie or Dorian did, his back would look similar to theirs? No way.
QO, you are right - if you want to make it to the pro ranks, your genetics must be right (as in right structure, response to juice etc). If you took someone who DJ Qualls, for example, who is very thin and lanky, no matter what he did or took, he'll never have the sweep, shape, density and look of someone like say, Dennis James. On top of having the right genetics, if you do all the stuff needed (hard, consistent training, use of hormones etc), then you can become a pro as long as a whole lot of factors fall into place.
QFT
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I do
and when I say bodybuilding I mean gettingon stage leaned out next to others
bodybuilding not mass accumulating
many can get beefy
very few look good shedding the fat and keeping muscle
when you get rid of the fat and keep muscle, your structure and each and every flaw is exposed from front back and opening up
genetics make the difference in competitive bb
but many can get beefy w/ hormones
This is very true.
Also when you get leaner, something will usually give out. One bodypart might stay full but then flatten out while another part gets ripped. It's very hard to have every bodypart looking it's best at the same time.
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And for those who do manage to get lean on stage there's the art of manipulating things so that you look ripped and full for a few hours
Bodybuilding is a full and utter ILLUSION
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He's only been training for 6 years - this guy was born to be a pro bodybuilder.
Insane arms... :o
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Genetics and aas response is EVERYTHING.
Have those 2 and it doesnt really matter if you train hard or not,
Hence, flex wheeler, dexter jackson, Victor martinez, Wolf etc
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Lots of hurt little insecure egos on this thread. Some realistics like Stavios and QO.
Genetics = everything.
Ask Palumbo; if genetical structure doesn't get you (it does more these days), the drug amount required for you to "keep up" with the genetically blessed will eventually catch up to you...
Palumbo was 300 pounds though, Which goes to show everyone can get huge. Just not in a good way.
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this all thread is rubbish,,
i said it before plenty of times on getbig ,,,THE HORMONES YOU TAKE WILL DETERIME HOW BIG YOU BECOME! HOW THICK ,,,HOW LEAN AND BIG,,
MUSCLE SHAPE ! IS GENETICALL DETERMINED ,,BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ABILITY TO PACK ON SIZE OF MUSCLE
A 5'7 THAT IS ANYTHING OVER 200LB IN GOOD CONDITION IS SWIMMING IN HORMONES AND FOR A VERY VERY VERY LONG TIME,, HIS WHOLE LIFE IS BODYBUILDING AND HIS WHOLE SOCIAL LIFE SUFFER SEVERELY FROM BODYBUILDING ,,THAT INCLUDES MENTAL STABILITY ,,GIRLFRIENDS OR WIVES EVEN IF MARRIED HE HAS TONS OF PROBLEMS THAT YOU NOT AWARE OF ,,AND MANY MORE $ RELATED ISSUES FOR THE HORMONES HE NEEDS
THERE ARE NO 5'7 WALKING AROUND 250 IN GOOD CONDITION
NONE
EVEN 6 FEET WILL HAVE TO BE ON TONS OF HORMONES AS IN PRODUCTS FOR LONG TIME INORDER TO GET TO THE 250 AT 10%
MOST FELLAS END UP 215-230LB AT 8-9% AT 5'9 5'10 AND NEVER SEE A PROFESSIONAL CARD DUE TO LACK OF MONEY AND TIME AS IN NEVER STARTED EARLY ENOUGH LIKE THE PROFESSIONAL WHO STARTED TO HORMONIZE AT AGE 17-18 IN MOST CASES,,
THE DIFF BETWEEN 250 8% AND 220 8% IS HOW EARLY ONE STARTED THE HORMONES ,,,THE ONE WHO STARED AT 17 YEAR OLD WILL BE ABLE TO HOLD 250 8% WHILE THE ONE WHO STARTED AT 27 WILL HAVE HARDER TIME
SHAPE OF MUSCLE AND SIZE ARE 2 COMPLETE DIFF THINGS,,IF YOU WILL TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT DENNIS WOLFE UPPOER TORS YOU WILL NOTICE THAT EVEN THOUGH HE HAS NOTHIGN TO WRITE HOME ABOUT SHAPE TO THE MUSCLE ON TOP TORSE ....HE GOT TO BE TOP 3-4 BODYBUILDERS IN THE WORLD,,,THATS BECAUSE HE HAS A GREAT BUILT AND FRAME!
AND THATS WHAT COUNTS! WHEN YOU HAVE ENOUGH SIZE AND YOU HAVE GREAT FRAME AND BUILD ,,IT WONT MATTER HOW GOOD YOUR MUSCLE ARE SHAPED ONLY WHEN YOU COMPETE AMONG THE BEST THATS WHERE THE MUSCLE SHAPE WILL COME TO COUNT,,BUT THE PROFESSIONAL CARD WIL BE ABLE TO BE ACHIVED ,,,
REASON PALUMBO COULDNT IS BECAUSE HE HAS HORRID FRAME AND HORRID BUILD ,,HE WASNT MEANT TO BE A BODYBUILDER,,SAME FOR GREG K,, ETC
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
He HAS to be on drugs or it won't happen. Seriouly, if he won't do it, he can't Make and MOney!
Top bbs don't make that much.
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i never used to put much stock into crazy genetics but recently the dude i train with sometimes has got me wondering if genetics isn't THE most important factor in bodybuilding success, dude is 5'7" 255 pounds with crazy roundness and thickness, small waist, monster shoulders and legs and basically he's attained this over AT MOST the last 3 years, he's done some local NPC shows and done very well and i think could turn pro easily in the next 2-3 years, only 27 years old, takes his nutrition very seriously as it pertains to getting enough protein and overall calories and is a monster especially on pressing movements, what do you guys think, do you think genetics is the MOST important factor in bb'ing?
QO without a doubt there are guys with better genetics then others. In the two gyms I go to you see it everyday. You can tell the guys who are on the shit and look like shit. It's pretty funny, you would think they would have sense enough to establish some sort of "base" before going on drugs getting bloated and still not look like they work out with clothes on. Fuckin clowns ::) At least they are good for a laugh. And its not hard to imagine there are people like your training partner at the opposite end of the spectrum. You should post his pic, even without face shot.
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And for those who do manage to get lean on stage there's the art of manipulating things so that you look ripped and full for a few hours
Bodybuilding is a full and utter ILLUSION
esciceline sp?was mans best friend.
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QO without a doubt there are guys with better genetics then others. In the two gyms I go to you see it everyday. You can tell the guys who are on the shit and look like shit. It's pretty funny, you would think they would have sense enough to establish some sort of "base" before going on drugs getting bloated and still not look like they work out with clothes on. Fuckin clowns ::) At least they are good for a laugh. And its not hard to imagine there are people like your training partner at the opposite end of the spectrum. You should post his pic, even without face shot.
many times before gh15 said it here,,
6'1 220lb 12% thats where natural ends for the best genetics ever on planet earth
read this again friend,,,
6'1 not 6 feet ! 220lb and 12% not 7 or 8% 12%!
thats where natural best genetics ends,,reduce and increase 7 lb per each inch for height differences,,,thus 5'7 you reduce about 40lb and what you get there is 5'7 180lb 12% ,,,thats the absolut best a 5'7 lufter will ever be
5'7 180lb at 12%,,thats genetics for you friend
trust me you will never find naturals at 5'7 even 190lb at 9% at anything never UNLESS they are on hormones,,
the thing some of you dont get is that a 5'10 fella 220lb that walks around 8-10% is been to long time hormonization ,,thats what some of you fail to understand because of the lies you fed for so many years by the industry and its people
gh15 approved
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5'10 at 220lbs 8% is pretty damn big !!!!
honnestly I am 195 lbs at about 8% right now and I am not small by any means.
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5'10 at 220lbs 8% is pretty damn big !!!!
honnestly I am 195 lbs at about 8% right now and I am not small by any means.
well duh,,they dont get it ,,they hear stories from bobbie of him being natural 200lb in the light heavy winning nationals :D,,
there is no 200lb 4% or 6% at 5'11 natural THERE IS NONE ,,,170? maybe the best of the best
people do not understand what it is to walk 220lb at single digit body fat ,,they just dont get it,,they think that their 220lb of 20% fat is same,,
the moment you get down to single digit if you really see the needle on the scale at anything over 210lb ,,you will look like a bodybuilder,,you will not have to flex,,you will not have to ask for attention ,,you will just look like muscle man even for the fat americano
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5'10 at 220lbs 8% is pretty damn big !!!!
honnestly I am 195 lbs at about 8% right now and I am not small by any means.
Lets see some progress pics, arent you weeks away from a show?
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Lets see some progress pics, arent you weeks away from a show?
no I won't do the show, I started out too fat I won't have enough time
I would be 4 weeks out and I am still about 8% bf
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maybe I will post some shots in a few weeks
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well duh,,they dont get it ,,they hear stories from bobbie of him being natural 200lb in the light heavy winning nationals :D,,
there is no 200lb 4% or 6% at 5'11 natural THERE IS NONE ,,,170? maybe the best of the best
people do not understand what it is to walk 220lb at single digit body fat ,,they just dont get it,,they think that their 220lb of 20% fat is same,,
the moment you get down to single digit if you really see the needle on the scale at anything over 210lb ,,you will look like a bodybuilder,,you will not have to flex,,you will not have to ask for attention ,,you will just look like muscle man even for the fat americano
gh15 approved
Quote of the week :D
The permabulkers are scramblin for Chris Aceto's advices now
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no I won't do the show, I started out too fat I won't have enough time
I would be 4 weeks out and I am still about 8% bf
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maybe I will post some shots in a few weeks
There arent any other shows you can do 4 weeks later then this one?
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also stavio you should be 8% at 205lb from wha t i seen you not at 195lb,,fix it next time
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also stavio you should be 8% at 205lb from wha t i seen you not at 195lb,,fix it next time
yeah I will fix this !!
I am just getting the fat off until june, after that I will start eating again for size while staying on the GH to keep me leaner !
I want to get to 220 at 10% or so, then I will diet down again and win some shows in the light-heavies 8)
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That's why if you look at the Olympia top 10, nearly all of them take the same amount / kind of drug cocktail and some of the guys who place lower train harder than the guys who place above them.
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Leave it to Getbig as the last bodybuilding site online to realize that this sport is about genetics. Here are two non competing bodybuilders below both in lean shape. Ever see the cash total of what the blonde guy below spends on GH? Astronomical. Do you think he is spending any less on androgens and non bloating steroids? Who obviously has more money to burn and is burning it on PED's?
Now which guy could stand next to IFBB pro's and hold his own and which one would look like a broomstick with posing trunks stapled on it up there?
Do you think there is anything, any kind of superdrug, total milligram abuse, anything that the blonde guy could do to make himself look like Bobby Lashley? There isn't.
Genetics.
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Leave it to Getbig as the last bodybuilding site online to realize that this sport is about genetics. Here are two non competing bodybuilders below both in lean shape. Ever see the cash total of what the blonde guy below spends on GH? Astronomical. Do you think he is spending any less on androgens and non bloating steroids? Who obviously has more money to burn and is burning it on PED's?
Now which guy could stand next to IFBB pro's and hold his own and which one would look like a broomstick with posing trunks stapled on it up there?
Do you think there is anything, any kind of drug, abuse, anything that the blonde guy could do to make himself look like Bobby Lashley? There isn't.
Genetics.
exactly
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gh15 approved.
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Getbigger Genetic Freak:
does this guy works Legs as well?
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does this guy works Legs as well?
NO.
gh15 approved
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Leave it to Getbig as the last bodybuilding site online to realize that this sport is about genetics. Here are two non competing bodybuilders below both in lean shape. Ever see the cash total of what the blonde guy below spends on GH? Astronomical. Do you think he is spending any less on androgens and non bloating steroids? Who obviously has more money to burn and is burning it on PED's?
Now which guy could stand next to IFBB pro's and hold his own and which one would look like a broomstick with posing trunks stapled on it up there?
Do you think there is anything, any kind of superdrug, total milligram abuse, anything that the blonde guy could do to make himself look like Bobby Lashley? There isn't.
Genetics.
fake chest guy is not a bodybuilder.....and he uses alot of gh because he says he believes it extends life span. i dont think anyone would say that they believe that steroids increase life span...maybe replacement doses of test... other than that...naw.
i doubt fake chest guy uses any more than just gh, and other stuff that is supposedly good for health and lifespan.
bobby lashley is a bodybuilder, just not a pro.
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fake chest guy is not a bodybuilder.....and he uses alot of gh because he says he believes it extends life span. i dont think anyone would say that they believe that steroids increase life span...maybe replacement doses of test... other than that...naw.
i doubt fake chest guy uses any more than just gh, and other stuff that is supposedly good for health and lifespan.
bobby lashley is a bodybuilder, just not a pro.
there you go ! again very very good answer from the kid!!
EVERY THING DANTA SAYS YOU NEED TO TAKE IN PERSPECTIVE SINCE HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE TO WHAT THE TRUTH IS ,,HE IS HERE FOR ONLY ONE SINGLE REASON ,,BEING BORED INBETWEEN SELLING MORE TRUE PROTIEN FROM GOLD COWS TO GULIBEL KIDS ,,
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND FRIENDS THAT DANTA IS EXACTLY THE COPY OF GETNY TO SOME LESSER DEGREE DUE TO THE FACT HE SHUT HIS MOUTH MORE OFTEN,,BUT ANYTHING HE SAYS ANY THING HE SAYS SHOULD TAKE IN LIMITED DISCRETION!
THE 2 FELLAS IN THE PICS ARE NOT! ON THE SAME DOSES ,,THE FIRST GUY ON TOP DOES NOT TRAIN ! HE COME AND DO IT FOR MEN AND WOMEN FOR SOCIAL ASPECT INORDER TO LOOK GOOD ,,HE LOOKS VERY AVERAGE DUE TO LIMITED RESOURCES AND LIMITED UNDERSTANDING AND EFFORT NOT! DUE TO GENETIC
THE BLACK FELLA IS JUICED TO THE MAX THICK FROM JUICE AND OFCOURSE ON CONSTANT SUPPLY OF GH ,,HE HAS AVERAGE GENETICS RESPOND
NOW TAKE GRANTS BROTHER AND COMPARE HIM TO THE BLACK GUY AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SIMILARITY YOU LOOK FOR,,,
WHAT DANTA SAID IS AN ABSOLUT BALONIEAND SHOULD NOT I REPEAT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY,,
THE FOLLOWING FELLAS DO NOT COME HERE FOR ANYTHING BUT PROMOTION AND FUN:
MISHKO SARCEV
GETNY
TROPOPIN
DANTA
THEY ARE HERE TO PUSH PRODUCTS AND ENJOY THE FUN
I ON THE OTHER HAND DO COME HERE TO ENJOY FUN OFCOURSE BUT! WILL GIVE YOU REAL SOLID AND RELIABLE INFORMATION HANDS ON FROM PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT IS BODYBUILDING,,
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER THAT DOES IT AND ITS SAD,,THEN AGAIN I CREATED A BUNCH OD ENEMIES THAT IN REAL LIFE SEE ME AS TRAITOR
OH WELL,, FUCK THEM
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gh15 = common sense
at least 4 me ;)
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See how Paul Dillett trains and compare it with say, Rich Gaspari's level of intensity and ask yourself who would place higher if they competed against each other, instead of acting like you know something you obviously don't.
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See how Paul Dillett trains and compare it with say, Rich Gaspari's level of intensity and ask yourself who would place higher if they competed against each other, instead of acting like you know something you obviously don't.
WELL FIRST OF ALL YOU DONT REALY HAVE ANY IDEA HOW EITHER OF THEM TRAINED. YOUR GOIGN OFF OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THEIR VIDEOS. SOME GUYS WANT TO ACT COOL FOR THE CAMERA, ACT LIKE THEY TRAIN EASY, AND DONT CARE. SOME GUYS WANT EVERYBODY TO THINK THEY ARE SUPER HARDCORE AND PUSH THEMSELVES TO THE LIMIT. SECOND OF ALL, YOU CANT TELL HOW HARD SOMEONE IS TRAINING BY LOOKING AT THEIR FACE OR LIOSTENING TO THEIR VOICE WHILE THEY ARE TRAINIGN. YOU THINK BECAUSE SOMEONE IS YELLING GRUNTING AND MAKING FACES THAT THAT MEANS THEY ARE TRIANING HARD? YOU THINK THAT IF SOMEONE HAS NO EXPRESSION ON THEIR FACE AND ISNT MAKEING A SOUND THAT THEY ARE TRIANING PUSSY ??? MOST OF THE TIME THE GUY WHO IS SUPER FOCUSED WILL NOT BEMAKING A SOUND OR A FACE AT ALL. INTENSITY IS NTO VISIBLE
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WELL FIRST OF ALL YOU DONT REALY HAVE ANY IDEA HOW EITHER OF THEM TRAINED.
Same goes for you. And you can tell if someone is training harder or not in comparison to another person. Go into a gym and watch an average person train and then see if you can spot a difference between their working out and the way an Olympic athlete works out. Does everyone train at the exact same level of intensity? Of course not.
Chris Lund has seen tons of bodybuilders train and he once remarked that if you combine Gaspari's intensity and Flex Wheeler's genetics, you'd get an unbeatable Olympia champion. Anyone who has seen Tom Platz train, knew he was a very intense guy. Nobody who saw Paul Dillett train (including other IFBB pros) raved about his intensity. In fact, Paul was known for his lazy training, light weights and sloppy form.
So some people DO train harder than others, just like some work harder than others, just like some study harder than others etc. It's a fact of life and just because you can't measure or judge it from a video or whatever doesn't mean it (the difference) doesn't exist.
And your saying "Intensity is not visible" is wrong - it should be, "Intensity isn't necessarily visible, at least in every case".
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Charles Glass openly admits that Wheeler and Dillet were the laziest fuckers he's ever worked with.
But they both had alien genetics in terms of genetic shape so they looked ridiculous.
Dillet trained calves once a month.
Johnny Jackson probably has tried everything under the sun to get his to grow.
All genetics.
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Leave it to Getbig as the last bodybuilding site online to realize that this sport is about genetics.
Yeah getbig guys are just so stupid. It's not like there are long threads on professionalmuscle for example arguing about the importance of genetics. ::)
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See how Paul Dillett trains and compare it with say, Rich Gaspari's level of intensity and ask yourself who would place higher if they competed against each other, instead of acting like you know something you obviously don't.
QFT
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Yeah getbig guys are just so stupid. It's not like there are long threads on professionalmuscle for example arguing about the importance of genetics. ::)
Hahahaha... ;D
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Yeah getbig guys are just so stupid. It's not like there are long threads on professionalmuscle for example arguing about the importance of genetics. ::)
No, on PM, theres no need to have such threads, their members are on a different level of intelligence, acumen and vision. They are the elite of bbing forums!
Unlike the getbig inferior pool ...
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No, on PM, theres no need to have such threads, their members are on a different level of intelligence, acumen and vision. They are the elite of bbing forums!
Unlike the getbig inferior pool ...
;D
Yes here's just one example of the countless threads where doggcrapp comes on arguing about the genetics issue
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42012
Even the intellectual elite over there just don't get it :D
That thread by the way is the thread where Dogg comes on swearing Bradley was lifetime natural, and had decided to never touch drugs, but turns out he later admitted to using OTC steroids for the past year. I agree with most things Dogg says but sometimes the "stark realism" just isn't there. :D
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THE BLACK FELLA IS JUICED TO THE MAX THICK FROM JUICE AND OFCOURSE ON CONSTANT SUPPLY OF GH ,,HE HAS AVERAGE GENETICS RESPOND
sometimes you speak the turuth, sometimes you're just a retard.
He is Not average in any sense of the word
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sometimes you speak the turuth, sometimes you're just a retard.
He is Not average in any sense of the word
You disrespect gh15? :o