I don't see how someone can be fair and unbiased while representing the Athletes and getting paid by the IFBB (Weider... AMI...). The athletes need to be represented by a LAWYER, not a current or former athlete.
I don't see how someone can be fair and unbiased while representing the Athletes and getting paid by the IFBB (Weider... AMI...). The athletes need to be represented by a LAWYER, not a current or former athlete.
Is the blue font how Vince Basile blinds little kids on aim?;D
Of course you don't see how... Fact is,I dont get paid by the IFBB
Bob was a part-time fill-in Deputy Sheriff's assistant for a few months back in Rochester... that's as good as any "law degree". ::) Who needs a JD these days anyway?
3 years as a full time Deputy Sheriff....
I love how you answered the first part of his statement with TOTAL disregard to the second, and most important, part.
I don't see how someone can be fair and unbiased while representing the Athletes and getting paid by the IFBB (Weider... AMI...). The athletes need to be represented by a LAWYER, not a current or former athlete.
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. That is a long time to be around the Iron Game. Few of us who start out imagine we will ever be like the huge guys we see in the magazines. If we persist for years we might achieve some reasonable size and even enter contests. Ah, those contests. You have to have nerve to enter because there you are up on stage, shaved, oiled and in a posing costume. Spare some consideration for the preparation required for todays shows. It isn't easy.
Well, having associated with muscleheads for decades I can say that we represent the full gamet of personalities and intelligences. You have to do a lot of things right to be able to keep growing all those years. Diet, training, recuperation, and lifestyle impact on any results you might achieve. When you see someone really big and cut you know they have paid their dues and trained long and hard. It takes a good brain to achieve huge size. If the person isn't that smart he probably has someone who is smart that is helping him.
For those who do enter contests what do we find? Most bodybuilders aspire to be whatever the top title of the day is. In the old days that was Mr America or Mr Universe. Lots of champions earned those titles and were proud of it. Today the top title is the Mr Olympia. Thus, the majority of bodybuilders think about enterring IFBB contests as a gateway to the professional contests. Very early in aspiring bodybuilders it becomes obvious that judging is a subjective process. We witness bodybuilders asking judges how they went and what should be improved. That is natural in a sport where subjectivity and opinion play such an important part. Even the thickest bloke realizes that it isn't always the best man who wins shows. How can that be? Well, it happens. Thus, from almost the first contest bodybuilders become politically aware and have to not upset judges or officials who run shows. If you get a reputation for being difficult or speaking out you will find it hard to win or place in contests.
Now, let us leap forward to the professional stage today. Because of magazines and the internet the competitors all know each other and can see what everyone else looks like. The judges and officials have access to the same information and images. This web of musclemen becomes a small community and the insiders pretty well know what is going on with other people. The Mr Olympia and Arnold Classic are the two biggest shows and winners earn a lot of money. However, only the Olympia earns legend status. That is THE contest to win. Today the prize money makes this a very important enterprise for all concerned. It isn't fooling around any more.
What do we find happening in the pro ranks of the IFBB? Well, contracts are signed and bodybuilders are limited about what they can do and say. Fair enough to a point because sponsoring athletes is big money and sponsors want to get value for their investment. The IFBB selects judges and lets someone else promote the contests. This is hardly a cheap enterprise. It costs a fortune to stage the Olympia event. You would think that the professional organization would be a smooth operation and hardly any problems at all. Well, to assist the musclemen the pro league has decided to appoint a professional athletes rep. This professional position is not a paid one. Judges get paid to judge but the pro rep doesn't earn a cent from all the work done. So, on paper it looks like the IFBB is looking after the athletes who have a person to represent them for any issues they might have. The reality is quite something else.
The reality IS quite something else....the IFBB didn't appoint anything (or anyone)...WE did. Shawn and I were the ones who led the way to have a voice within the pro league...this was a direct result of MY attempt to start a union for the BBers as I felt they weren't standing up for themselves or their sport. After Shawn stepped down, I was put in his place as the rep. The "job" was posted, there were no other candidates for the job....here I am 3 years later
The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.
Couldn't be more wrong...but then again...it's you being you. For those who might believe you...there couldn't be any worse way to make change than NOT bringing it to my attention...as they did in the past with no representation....I field calls, complaints, suggestions, etc on a weekly basis from pretty much everybody
The Pro League appointed athletes rep is a sham. Unless and until that is an elected position there can be no transparancy and validity. The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere. It is just another way the dictatorial organization asserts itself. The bodybuilders were forgotten long ago and are still treated like second class citizens today.
The position is up for grabs every 2 years....come one come all if anyone else thinks they can do better
To sum up what I feel, Bob Chick is the very last person most professionals would approach with complaints against the IFBB and Pro League. Look at how he is totally unprofessional to critics like myself who voice my opinion about the IFBB. He uses insults and namecalling to try to silence anyone who speaks out. That is really the opposite of what a fair dinkum athletes rep should be like. His job is to represent the IFBB and Pro League on Getbig and silence all opposition.
You're no critic Basile...you're a creepy old windbag. You have no insight here, no idea what goes on in this sport since we left the 70's behind...
Aaron Singerman, I know we have butted heads many times in the past and I don't agree with alot of what you say, but you are totally spot on with this statement.
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now.
I don't know who's dumber.... Vince for writing that monologue, or you for responding to it point-by-point. :-\
The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere.the appointment is an insult to drug using bodybuilders everywhere
You're no critic Basile...you're a creepy old windbag. You have no insight here, no idea what goes on in this sport since we left the 70's behind.your all class. and most likely a drug abusing felon
I am aware it's a thankless Job, Chick... and I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but you have to admit you are wearing too many hats... and from here, they look very similar!
You write for Flex who was owned by Weider. Now owned by AMI. AMI puts on the IFBB's biggest contest, Mr. Olympia. Robin Chang is in charge of this contest which you are paid MC and cover. You also are a host of PBW sponsored by FLEX, bodybuilding.com, and muscletech, along with other big movers within the Weider built industry. Finally you represent the athletes against or instead of the IFBB... Maybe you should be the athletes' liaison to the IFBB (Rep implies impartiality)... I think that would be a more appropriate job.
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. That is a long time to be around the Iron Game. Few of us who start out imagine we will ever be like the huge guys we see in the magazines. If we persist for years we might achieve some reasonable size and even enter contests. Ah, those contests. You have to have nerve to enter because there you are up on stage, shaved, oiled and in a posing costume. Spare some consideration for the preparation required for todays shows. It isn't easy.
Well, having associated with muscleheads for decades I can say that we represent the full gamet of personalities and intelligences. You have to do a lot of things right to be able to keep growing all those years. Diet, training, recuperation, and lifestyle impact on any results you might achieve. When you see someone really big and cut you know they have paid their dues and trained long and hard. It takes a good brain to achieve huge size. If the person isn't that smart he probably has someone who is smart that is helping him.
For those who do enter contests what do we find? Most bodybuilders aspire to be whatever the top title of the day is. In the old days that was Mr America or Mr Universe. Lots of champions earned those titles and were proud of it. Today the top title is the Mr Olympia. Thus, the majority of bodybuilders think about enterring IFBB contests as a gateway to the professional contests. Very early in aspiring bodybuilders it becomes obvious that judging is a subjective process. We witness bodybuilders asking judges how they went and what should be improved. That is natural in a sport where subjectivity and opinion play such an important part. Even the thickest bloke realizes that it isn't always the best man who wins shows. How can that be? Well, it happens. Thus, from almost the first contest bodybuilders become politically aware and have to not upset judges or officials who run shows. If you get a reputation for being difficult or speaking out you will find it hard to win or place in contests.
Now, let us leap forward to the professional stage today. Because of magazines and the internet the competitors all know each other and can see what everyone else looks like. The judges and officials have access to the same information and images. This web of musclemen becomes a small community and the insiders pretty well know what is going on with other people. The Mr Olympia and Arnold Classic are the two biggest shows and winners earn a lot of money. However, only the Olympia earns legend status. That is THE contest to win. Today the prize money makes this a very important enterprise for all concerned. It isn't fooling around any more.
What do we find happening in the pro ranks of the IFBB? Well, contracts are signed and bodybuilders are limited about what they can do and say. Fair enough to a point because sponsoring athletes is big money and sponsors want to get value for their investment. The IFBB selects judges and lets someone else promote the contests. This is hardly a cheap enterprise. It costs a fortune to stage the Olympia event. You would think that the professional organization would be a smooth operation and hardly any problems at all. Well, to assist the musclemen the pro league has decided to appoint a professional athletes rep. This professional position is not a paid one. Judges get paid to judge but the pro rep doesn't earn a cent from all the work done. So, on paper it looks like the IFBB is looking after the athletes who have a person to represent them for any issues they might have. The reality is quite something else.
The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.
The Pro League appointed athletes rep is a sham. Unless and until that is an elected position there can be no transparancy and validity. The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere. It is just another way the dictatorial organization asserts itself. The bodybuilders were forgotten long ago and are still treated like second class citizens today.
To sum up what I feel, Bob Chick is the very last person most professionals would approach with complaints against the IFBB and Pro League. Look at how he is totally unprofessional to critics like myself who voice my opinion about the IFBB. He uses insults and namecalling to try to silence anyone who speaks out. That is really the opposite of what a fair dinkum athletes rep should be like. His job is to represent the IFBB and Pro League on Getbig and silence all opposition.
Now lets all sit back and watch as Chick totally ignores this statement and instead goes back and forth trading insults with some dumbass named "Goatboy".....
Don't blame me for Bob's character flaws. >:(
I stopped reading after the first sentence, you fat bullshitting liar.
I have been bodybuilding for over 50 years now. That is a long time to be around the Iron Game. Few of us who start out imagine we will ever be like the huge guys we see in the magazines. If we persist for years we might achieve some reasonable size and even enter contests. Ah, those contests. You have to have nerve to enter because there you are up on stage, shaved, oiled and in a posing costume. Spare some consideration for the preparation required for todays shows. It isn't easy.
I never imagined being that big. Zane/nubret size would be fine.
Well, having associated with muscleheads for decades I can say that we represent the full gamet of personalities and intelligences. You have to do a lot of things right to be able to keep growing all those years. Diet, training, recuperation, and lifestyle impact on any results you might achieve. When you see someone really big and cut you know they have paid their dues and trained long and hard. It takes a good brain to achieve huge size. If the person isn't that smart he probably has someone who is smart that is helping him.
It is true...one must suffer and have some intelligence to succeed
For those who do enter contests what do we find? Most bodybuilders aspire to be whatever the top title of the day is. In the old days that was Mr America or Mr Universe. Lots of champions earned those titles and were proud of it. Today the top title is the Mr Olympia. Thus, the majority of bodybuilders think about enterring IFBB contests as a gateway to the professional contests. Very early in aspiring bodybuilders it becomes obvious that judging is a subjective process. We witness bodybuilders asking judges how they went and what should be improved. That is natural in a sport where subjectivity and opinion play such an important part. Even the thickest bloke realizes that it isn't always the best man who wins shows. How can that be? Well, it happens. Thus, from almost the first contest bodybuilders become politically aware and have to not upset judges or officials who run shows. If you get a reputation for being difficult or speaking out you will find it hard to win or place in contests.
Nah...I never really wanted to go that far...for some reason, I just wanted to win the teen Mr. Michigan and then the Collegiate Nationals, two goals nearly but never fully achieved
Now, let us leap forward to the professional stage today. Because of magazines and the internet the competitors all know each other and can see what everyone else looks like. The judges and officials have access to the same information and images. This web of musclemen becomes a small community and the insiders pretty well know what is going on with other people. The Mr Olympia and Arnold Classic are the two biggest shows and winners earn a lot of money. However, only the Olympia earns legend status. That is THE contest to win. Today the prize money makes this a very important enterprise for all concerned. It isn't fooling around any more.
What do we find happening in the pro ranks of the IFBB? Well, contracts are signed and bodybuilders are limited about what they can do and say. Fair enough to a point because sponsoring athletes is big money and sponsors want to get value for their investment. The IFBB selects judges and lets someone else promote the contests. This is hardly a cheap enterprise. It costs a fortune to stage the Olympia event. You would think that the professional organization would be a smooth operation and hardly any problems at all. Well, to assist the musclemen the pro league has decided to appoint a professional athletes rep. This professional position is not a paid one. Judges get paid to judge but the pro rep doesn't earn a cent from all the work done. So, on paper it looks like the IFBB is looking after the athletes who have a person to represent them for any issues they might have. The reality is quite something else.
The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.
The Pro League appointed athletes rep is a sham. Unless and until that is an elected position there can be no transparancy and validity. The appointment is an insult to all bodybuilders everywhere. It is just another way the dictatorial organization asserts itself. The bodybuilders were forgotten long ago and are still treated like second class citizens today.
To sum up what I feel, Bob Chick is the very last person most professionals would approach with complaints against the IFBB and Pro League. Look at how he is totally unprofessional to critics like myself who voice my opinion about the IFBB. He uses insults and namecalling to try to silence anyone who speaks out. That is really the opposite of what a fair dinkum athletes rep should be like. His job is to represent the IFBB and Pro League on Getbig and silence all opposition.
the appointment is an insult to drug using bodybuilders everywhere
us natural bodybuilders and competitors don't give a shit
good for a laugh though
as sad as the whole scam is
then the natural scene is bout as filthy but I can proudly say
I'm not a felon
your all class. and most likely a drug abusing felon
I am aware it's a thankless Job, Chick... and I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but you have to admit you are wearing too many hats... and from here, they look very similar!
You write for Flex who was owned by Weider. Now owned by AMI. AMI puts on the IFBB's biggest contest, Mr. Olympia. Robin Chang is in charge of this contest which you are paid MC and cover. You also are a host of PBW sponsored by FLEX, bodybuilding.com, and muscletech, along with other big movers within the Weider built industry. Finally you represent the athletes against or instead of the IFBB... Maybe you should be the athletes' liaison to the IFBB (Rep implies impartiality)... I think that would be a more appropriate job.
Yeah? and just what do you believe a lawyer would be able to get accomplished in a private club?golden
Bob wears too many hats and thinks nothing of it. Well, he can't impartially represent the professional bodybuilders when he comments on their physiques and personalities on web casts and radio shows for Bodybuilding Com. I mean, why would the athletes tolerate that crap? An impartial representative doesn't pass comment that might affect the judging process in the future or influence others about various competitor's flaws and weaknesses. When Bob is MCing a contest how can he represent the athletes? Especially at the Olympia. He would be concentrating on doing the MC job and not on what is bothering the athletes.
Bob is a good talker but the honest reality is he is too opinionated about this sport and the men in it. That is fine for TV and radio shows but hardly acceptable for an athletes rep. Bob swears anyone can run for the position but the way the Pro League is set up no sensible professional who has a chance to win prize money would do that job. You cannot represent yourself AND the other athletes. If Bob C is the best man for the position then heaven help professional bodybuilding.
Are you just wanting people to acknowledge that you won the 1970 Mr Canada???
Fine congratualtions....now go away. You've once again made a complete jackass out of yourself as you've never been an IFBB pro. You didn't have the heart to train hard and compete and now you're writing these stupid threads to make your life a little more meaningful.
You will not be remembered in history as a great bodybuilder, Vince. Deal with it and stop wasting the little time you have otherwise
Well said Bob , you are doing a great job, the changes that have been implemented under your watch, have been ground breaking, and I'm sure there are more to come.
Got the cliff notes version to that novel? ::)
he who acreams 'natural' is usually the most guiltyI'm 53 years old and have the worse genetics possible for bodybuilding
I'm 53 years old and have the worse genetics possible for bodybuilding
but I can and have been on stage and hope to again
your way out of your league but nice try kid.
bob Chick.
Why do you keep lying about how you got this job?
Just admit it that Manion handed it to you.
Shawn had to get voted in, while you just got the nod from your daddy.
He is the only union leader representing the employer... ::)
And you say that based on ..what?
Based on the fact that you have never once critisised IFBB on this board. Epic stooge!
Over 50 years of bodybuilding? C'on Vince, for the past 3 decades you have looked like low grade dog shit...HAHAHA... I couldnt have said it better my self.
Are you just wanting people to acknowledge that you won the 1970 Mr Canada???
Fine congratualtions....now go away. You've once again made a complete jackass out of yourself as you've never been an IFBB pro. You didn't have the heart to train hard and compete and now you're writing these stupid threads to make your life a little more meaningful.
You will not be remembered in history as a great bodybuilder, Vince. Deal with it and stop wasting the little time you have otherwise
Vince thinks he's "in the know", beacuse he won Mr. Saskatoon 1921 as the only competitor, stalks a gay man, takes "artsy" photos of kids on the beach, and attends the funerals for relatives of the bb elite.Living the dream.
Epic moron....do you believe that would get us further?
Change is initiated by bringing up proposals and getting them passed at the Pro League meetings...not by any other means. I've been as critical as anyone, and took the lead in making a difference by way of a voice in the league...that's why we have more money in our pockets, health coverage and better judging criteria
I would strongly reccomend looking into the proposals and my success rate of approval before opening your mouth again...you're exposing your ignorance
Still....it seems of the same line as "methinks the lady doth protest too much..." when the 'naturals' rant and rave about how clean they are and everyone else is so badI don't disagree with your statement and actually I'm not totally clean.
If it were so true, it really wouldn't be much of an issue.
Which is why I usually think it is not true.
The reality IS quite something else....the IFBB didn't appoint anything (or anyone)...WE did. Shawn and I were the ones who led the way to have a voice within the pro league...this was a direct result of MY attempt to start a union for the BBers as I felt they weren't standing up for themselves or their sport. After Shawn stepped down, I was put in his place as the rep. The "job" was posted, there were no other candidates for the job....here I am 3 years later
Bob:
The reality IS quite something else....the IFBB didn't appoint anything (or anyone)...WE did. Shawn and I were the ones who led the way to have a voice within the pro league...this was a direct result of MY attempt to start a union for the BBers as I felt they weren't standing up for themselves or their sport. After Shawn stepped down, I was put in his place as the rep. The "job" was posted, there were no other candidates for the job....here I am 3 years later
Watch out that nose of yours, you’ll poke too many people around Pinicchio …hmmm…I think I’ll go with – Bobychico…
Who are “we” you are so proudly referring to?
Shawn and you…
Really?
What actually happened Bob?
Any recollection of the REAL TRUTH and not your usual BS or “fantasy facts” only you always seem to remember…
Shawn and you?
If it wouldn’t take you 15 years to turn PRO (you still have that chic…I mean chip on your shoulder? Let it go…) maybe you would realize that all the way back in 1991, during my first European Tour (hmmmm – BTW how many Euro Tours did you and Shawn do?) which lasted 4 weeks (6 shows in 6 different countries) I started influencing many than IFBB pros to unite.
In 1992 I got some response but unfortunately Wayne De Millia was partially right – saying: “Milos, you bodybuilders are all jealous of each other, and you’ll never going to get the union…Guys with contracts would be scared to loose contracts and those without one would be afraid never to get it – if they “cross” authorities…”
In 1994 there was PUBLISHED ARTICLE in MuscleMagInternational where I openly invite IFBB pros to unite…and everyone interested should CONTACT ME…
That was my last attempt at early nineties and while I did get many pros interested it was far from 50% of all pros requirement Wayne dictated as obligatory number of pros…for our union to even be considered…
Now, while I don’t expect you to know any of that – 50% rule could possibly ring the bell – as that was requirement that Shawn knew very well about it…Wayne knew that many pros have issues with Shawn – and doubted that he would ever come close to required number…and he was right again…
So, what did you do than Bob?
How many votes did you secure for Shawn back than…as you are so proudly mentioning to everyone:
“Shawn and I were the ones who led the way to have a voice within the pro league...this was a direct result of MY attempt to start a union for the BBers as I felt they weren't standing up for themselves or their sport.
How did you “LED THE WAY”…what exactly did you do?
Can you PLEASE refresh my memory?
YOUR (!?!) attempt to start union?
DIRECT RESULT of your attempt to start a union?
In which Universe Bob?
The fantasy one – you live in?
And as you are mentioning IMPORTANCE for PROS to have a voice within the pro league TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES – please stop right here, take a good look what you are SAYING and than lets analyze what is that you are doing…to best judge WHO you really are Bob…
Athletes voice within the pro league – or officials voice within the pro athletes?
Bobychico, puppet executioner of each and every idea and/or decisions officials wants athletes to agree and accept…That is exact definition of you Boby, the clown…
Now, show us HOW are you standing up for the athletes?
Please…
By implementing Giepetto’s wishes and commends through most disturbing possible way: Announcing “changes” that need to be implemented here on the net (on this very board, for example) and basically stating that if someone is against it – to let you know…otherwise whatever necessary change is going to happen in “no time”. [And disturbingly – each and every “change” that happened “under your term” was/is exactly what OFFICIALS wanted to happen and NOT the athletes].
And that is PATHETIC!
While I was still holder of the PRO CARD I managed to stop you (again here on this very board…and I am sure people could do the search and find what was that all about…) but you used my absence and successfully changed each and every rule officials wanted to be implemented…No scoring posing round – for example…
Now, would you be so kind to show us list of pros who voted for ANY…and I do mean ANY change that was recently implemented…?
As the athletes rep, you should proudly state:
Athletes wanted this change, I received calls, emails, votes…etc from these gentlemen:
OK?
Make sure you write EACH AND EVERY one of IFBB pros who voted for whatever change…(and I do mean both of you…or you actually had more?)
You see THAT is WHAT YOUR JOB SHOULD BE…and that is kind of what Shawn WAS trying to do…
He did talk to athletes and HE DID FIGHT FOR ATHLETES – and as I realized he did – I supported him fully and I convinced NUMEROUS PROS to forget those little animosities they feel towards him…as HE IS FIGHTING OUR BATTLE…and for us…
Shawn and I had our different views on number of things – but here, I must admit – he was FIGHTING FOR ATHLETES and he was throughout his career ASKING FOR RIGHT THINGS…athletes would benefit from…
He was getting in fights with officials and thus earned his nickname “the mouth”…
His debates with judges during Olympia press conferences were legendary…(and I joined him pretty much doing the same – for a while…)
Everything is recorded and could be found – as “history”…
But, getting back at “you and Shawn” started union…I challenge you to show us WHAT you did…as maybe Shawn could chip in and explain WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?
And – as much as I know that I am taking chances with this – I do count on “shorty’s” memory…and honor…
As 50% of the votes needed to be collected by the Olympia press conference date and he was waaaaaaay behind – I contacted all my European friends, IFBB pros and directly asked them to give Shawn a vote and support – as I am there “in his corner” and I support him fully…
And that is EXACTLY how he got so many votes that only couple were missing by the press conference time…and – I am sure many will remember – that is when Craig Titus joined publicly, on the spot…and we did get our 50%...
Yes Bob, I do remember you were there, at close proximity to microphone during Shawn-Wayne’s debate…as I took (and posted) so many photos on my board (still there btw)…
So, are you considering that “speaking” on that press conference made you “OUR LEADER”?
Tell me/us WHAT DID YOU DO at the time (or better yet – EVER?) that was FOR the benefit of the athletes?
Oh My Goddness, Bob, you better replied to these, I'm becoming suspicious here.
Punisher...Do you punish bad puppets?
Puppets with a very, very, VEEERRRYYY looooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooo ooong nose...?
Tell me/us WHAT DID YOU DO at the time that was FOR the benefit of the athletes?
bob Chick.
Why do you keep lying about how you got this job?
Just admit it that Manion handed it to you.
Shawn had to get voted in, while you just got the nod from your daddy.
bob Chick.
Why do you keep lying about how you got this job?
Bob lying???????Milos,
BOB:
I field calls, complaints, suggestions, etc on a weekly basis from pretty much everybody[/color]
BULL SHIT/LIE
Nasser
Ruhl
Kamali
These guys will all die with juice in their system.
Ego's that are far too large to feel comfortable being physically small
Vince thinks he's "in the know", beacuse he won Mr. Saskatoon 1921 as the only competitor, stalks a gay man, takes "artsy" photos of kids on the beach, and attends the funerals for relatives of the bb elite.
And you say that based on ..what?
Epic moron....do you believe that would get us further?
Hmmm, I can't find the thread...so I guess I should post again?
The reality IS quite something else....the IFBB didn't appoint anything (or anyone)...WE did. Shawn and I were the ones who led the way to have a voice within the pro league...this was a direct result of MY attempt to start a union for the BBers as I felt they weren't standing up for themselves or their sport. After Shawn stepped down, I was put in his place as the rep. The "job" was posted, there were no other candidates for the job....here I am 3 years later
Watch out that nose of yours, you’ll poke too many people around Pinicchio …hmmm…I think I’ll go with – Bobychico…
Who are “we” you are so proudly referring to?
Shawn and you…
Really?
What actually happened Bob?
Any recollection of the REAL TRUTH and not your usual BS or “fantasy facts” only you always seem to remember…
What "actually" happened was exactly what I wrote...read it again if you have trouble understanding it.
Shawn and you?
If it wouldn’t take you 15 years to turn PRO (you still have that chic…I mean chip on your shoulder? Let it go…) maybe you would realize that all the way back in 1991, during my first European Tour (hmmmm – BTW how many Euro Tours did you and Shawn do?) which lasted 4 weeks (6 shows in 6 different countries) I started influencing many than IFBB pros to unite.
In 1992 I got some response but unfortunately Wayne De Millia was partially right – saying: “Milos, you bodybuilders are all jealous of each other, and you’ll never going to get the union…Guys with contracts would be scared to loose contracts and those without one would be afraid never to get it – if they “cross” authorities…”
In 1994 there was PUBLISHED ARTICLE in MuscleMagInternational where I openly invite IFBB pros to unite…and everyone interested should CONTACT ME…
That was my last attempt at early nineties and while I did get many pros interested it was far from 50% of all pros requirement Wayne dictated as obligatory number of pros…for our union to even be considered…
Now, while I don’t expect you to know any of that – 50% rule could possibly ring the bell – as that was requirement that Shawn knew very well about it…Wayne knew that many pros have issues with Shawn – and doubted that he would ever come close to required number…and he was right again…
Nice war stories....all culminating in a big fat ZERO when it came to actually doing anything, or forming anything...there was certainly no union when I *finally* got to the pro's, or any voice for the athletes....so your efforts were for naught.
So, what did you do than Bob?
How many votes did you secure for Shawn back than…as you are so proudly mentioning to everyone:
“Shawn and I were the ones who led the way to have a voice within the pro league...this was a direct result of MY attempt to start a union for the BBers as I felt they weren't standing up for themselves or their sport.
How did you “LED THE WAY”…what exactly did you do?
Can you PLEASE refresh my memory?
No problem....I circulated email to every pro in the industry (I'm sure you received one) calling for a union of ther athletes and a meeting to discuss the effort....noticable absent from the meeting were Shawn and YOURSELF...
After only 20 guys bothered to show any interest ( the rest were too scared to attend from direct threats from Wayne and Co.) It was determined that having a rep was the next best thing to at least try and gain a voice....Shawn had just retired and seemed a natural fit for the job....I campaigned to many athletes to sign the petition and get change initiated....did YOU sign it, Milos??
YOUR (!?!) attempt to start union?
DIRECT RESULT of your attempt to start a union?
In which Universe Bob?
The fantasy one – you live in?
No, Milos...in REALITY. You can talk all the shit you want...but the very corospondance I put out to over 100 IFBB athletes were posted right here on Getbig for all to see...and a meeting took place...without YOUR support.
And as you are mentioning IMPORTANCE for PROS to have a voice within the pro league TO BE ABLE TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES – please stop right here, take a good look what you are SAYING and than lets analyze what is that you are doing…to best judge WHO you really are Bob…
Athletes voice within the pro league – or officials voice within the pro athletes?
Bobychico, puppet executioner of each and every idea and/or decisions officials wants athletes to agree and accept…That is exact definition of you Boby, the clown…
Now, show us HOW are you standing up for the athletes?
Please…
I have many proposals which are proof positive for standing up for the IFBB athletes...other than etting athletes fined and putting their contracts in jeopardy...what the fuck have YOU done?
By implementing Giepetto’s wishes and commends through most disturbing possible way: Announcing “changes” that need to be implemented here on the net (on this very board, for example) and basically stating that if someone is against it – to let you know…otherwise whatever necessary change is going to happen in “no time”. [And disturbingly – each and every “change” that happened “under your term” was/is exactly what OFFICIALS wanted to happen and NOT the athletes].
And that is PATHETIC!
Pathetic when you dont understand the due process of submitting proposals, getting them voted on, and passed. (you know, the same due process you failed to abide by and got yourself suspended). Please show where my proposals were what the OFFICIALS wanted? Which ones? The one's garanteeing more money? Insurance coverage? More guys qualifying for the Olympia?
While I was still holder of the PRO CARD I managed to stop you (again here on this very board…and I am sure people could do the search and find what was that all about…) but you used my absence and successfully changed each and every rule officials wanted to be implemented…No scoring posing round – for example…
Now, would you be so kind to show us list of pros who voted for ANY…and I do mean ANY change that was recently implemented…?
I don't need your absense to do anything, or your presence for that matter....I' trying to get more money in the athletes pockets, not hang on to outdated "posing rounds" which arent scored anyway
As the athletes rep, you should proudly state:
Athletes wanted this change, I received calls, emails, votes…etc from these gentlemen:
OK?
Make sure you write EACH AND EVERY one of IFBB pros who voted for whatever change…(and I do mean both of you…or you actually had more?)
You see THAT is WHAT YOUR JOB SHOULD BE…and that is kind of what Shawn WAS trying to do…
You're just about the LAST guy that should be telling anybody how to do their job....least of all , me...
He did talk to athletes and HE DID FIGHT FOR ATHLETES – and as I realized he did – I supported him fully and I convinced NUMEROUS PROS to forget those little animosities they feel towards him…as HE IS FIGHTING OUR BATTLE…and for us…
Shawn and I had our different views on number of things – but here, I must admit – he was FIGHTING FOR ATHLETES and he was throughout his career ASKING FOR RIGHT THINGS…athletes would benefit from…
He was getting in fights with officials and thus earned his nickname “the mouth”…
His debates with judges during Olympia press conferences were legendary…(and I joined him pretty much doing the same – for a while…)
Everything is recorded and could be found – as “history”…
Yep...history. History of getting nothing changed, nothing accomplished....for all of your bickering, there wasn't much of anything getting done, was there?
Please list all of the changes the both of you accomplished with your "debates" and bitching at press conferences:
1.
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But, getting back at “you and Shawn” started union…I challenge you to show us WHAT you did…as maybe Shawn could chip in and explain WHAT REALLY HAPPENED?
And – as much as I know that I am taking chances with this – I do count on “shorty’s” memory…and honor…
Feel free to ask him how it played out...truth is...he didn't try and start a union....I DID. Shawn came along after the fact
As 50% of the votes needed to be collected by the Olympia press conference date and he was waaaaaaay behind – I contacted all my European friends, IFBB pros and directly asked them to give Shawn a vote and support – as I am there “in his corner” and I support him fully…
And that is EXACTLY how he got so many votes that only couple were missing by the press conference time…and – I am sure many will remember – that is when Craig Titus joined publicly, on the spot…and we did get our 50%...
Yes Bob, I do remember you were there, at close proximity to microphone during Shawn-Wayne’s debate…as I took (and posted) so many photos on my board (still there btw)…
So, are you considering that “speaking” on that press conference made you “OUR LEADER”?
Tell me/us WHAT DID YOU DO at the time (or better yet – EVER?) that was FOR the benefit of the athletes?
My record is there for all to see...look it up yourself. You would think you would know what they are, as you talk like you know the facts....obviously you dont.
While your looking up that info....perhaps you could enlighten everybody as top what YOU have done? How many proposals have you submitted? How many ideas have you brought to the table? How much have you added over the last 3 years?
with the exception of the oil in the biceps that's what bodybuilding should be right there, Milos looked incredible there.
VINCE:
The one thing musclemen learn over the years in this subjective sport is not to make any waves. Keep a low profile and be pleasant to everyone. Now, I ask you, would any of these professional athletes go to Bob Chick to voice their complaints, etc.? That is the last thing most would do. Why? Well, they instinctively know that complaining to someone like Bob is like complaining to the boss himself. It doesn't pay to do that. Thus, Bob Chick actually represents the IFBB and informs muscleheads how to cooperate with the organization. He points out penalties to those who don't think straight.
BOB:
Couldn't be more wrong...but then again...it's you being you. For those who might believe you...there couldn't be any worse way to make change than NOT bringing it to my attention...as they did in the past with no representation....I field calls, complaints, suggestions, etc on a weekly basis from pretty much everybody
Color is gay.
You are comical...so clown Boby might actually be a very good idea after you loose your present job(s), you are currently doing Bobychico way...
Length of that nose became legendary and registered as honorary Lifetime Achievement award from - from Guinness himself.
Amount of BS and lies caused nose growth you've achieved as a lie-detecting puppet far exceeds anything else ever measured on this Universe and Fantasy one as well...so accept your well deserved due Congrats for exceeding expectations of everyone from - human to puppet kind...
Now, just so I have the facts straight - WHEN exactly did you do all that?
When did you send the famous Email (still have it?)...and to whom exactly?
Which YEAR are you talking about?
When was Shawn elected - and when were you given ATHLETES REP position?
I need that info so I can properly address your questions...Boby...
Saw Circus Vargas?
Now - that clown was funny as shit...Go see it...you might need it...soon...very sooooooon...
Dont worry Milos, we are very aware of the BS Bob talks on this board.
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You are comical...so clown Boby might actually be a very good idea after you loose your present job(s), you are currently doing Bobychico way...
Length of that nose became legendary and registered as honorary Lifetime Achievement award from - from Guinness himself.
Amount of BS and lies caused nose growth you've achieved as a lie-detecting puppet far exceeds anything else ever measured on this Universe and Fantasy one as well...so accept your well deserved due Congrats for exceeding expectations of everyone from - human to puppet kind...
Now, just so I have the facts straight - WHEN exactly did you do all that?
When did you send the famous Email (still have it?)...and to whom exactly?
Which YEAR are you talking about?
When was Shawn elected - and when were you given ATHLETES REP position?
I need that info so I can properly address your questions...Boby...
Saw Circus Vargas?
Now - that clown was funny as shit...Go see it...you might need it...soon...very sooooooon...
That is the greatest presentation of a physique I have ever seen.
There are serious threads and then there are fun ones. This is a serious thread. So when posters resort to the usual putdowns and crap that is nothing but a red herring and a smokescreen. I would say these things to anyone here in person. I don't hide behind fake names nor do I resort to gimmick accounts to do my dirty work. Everything I have to say is done in an open and honest fashion.
Bob C must have admired the Sophists who were around Athens about 300 BC and were contemporaries with Socrates and Plato. Would you believe those Sophists charged Socrates with impiety and he was sentenced to death by those unethical people. They silenced the greatest ethical philosopher of all time. Clearly it is dangerous to debate with unethical individuals and nowhere more so than the internet where people do all manner of things to save their face or win arguments.
Bob C is good at collecting debts and arresting people. He has little clue about ethics and doing the right thing. Well, except being loyal to those who pay his wages or who appointed him. Have we ever seen such a guard dog as Bob C?! The bodybuilders fear him and know he carrys a punch because of his connection with Manion. This whole sham as athletes rep is a disgrace. That man is charged full of self-importance and power instead of being pleasant and empathic. He is the epitome of the individual the IFBB needs and recruits. He is loyal to the nth degree and defends the IFBB and Pro League to the end. In other words, he is nothing but a patsy and stooge for them.
Reading Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus and Bertrand Russel = no longer fun after reading your posts. You = just so brilliant dear Vince Basile.
Fair Dinkum floatsam!
I want you to be gay with me. We can run around nude in the forest and bask in natures beauty!
Fair Dinkum chaps!
Hit me again Debussey. That big oak thingy you found over at the ditch makes patterns in my ass!
Either Chick OR Ron deleted a very heated thread between Bob and Milos.
Fuck Chick.
Any person that is for censorship will NEVER get my support.
Exactly ;D
Chick has two sides. The 'cheerful public face' and the 'fearful private face'.
Chick relishes the power he holds over the athletes.
And in turn, the athletes are these frightened and 'voice less' emasculated spankers.
C'mon Chick, take the lead, give the athletes a voice.
It's all bullshit bro.
Believe me I was one of the HUGEST Bob Chicks fan at one point, but the guy is a piece of garbage.
Milos spent alot of his time and energy responding against Chicks accusations and Bob deleted the thread like the little bitch that he is.
Anyone from here on out that defends that piece of garbage is a straight up dumb ass.
Chick is in it for only one person, himself.
couldnt agree more, Chick only cares about himself, if anyone has a different opinion he calls them idiots and asks Ron to put them in Time Out, Chick ought to spend a few weeks in TO, he easily meltsdown, no wonder he has hair implants ::)
Yes Chick, day and night you haunt the Getbig forums. You relentlessly engage in banal debates. You name call, abuse and constantly run people down.LOL!
You hide behind your title as Athlete's Rep as though it is some kind honorable and meaningful title.
And when you are called-out for acting unprofessional you just fire-back with more predictable fodder.
Chick, it is time to deal with your posting-obsession at Getbig..It is time to move on from the childish banter and arguments with the adolescents that who post here.
Chick, a true professional who has substance and meaning in his life 'does not' spend hour after hour, day after day on Getbig! -So why do you then?
I feel inclined to believe Vince Basile and Milos Sarcev on this topic.
If Bob is being paid for other jobs by the IFBB (muscle mags, etc.) and is the athletes rep AGAINST the IFBB, then there is a conflict of interest there. If he pisses off the IFBB, then they cut him off and he loses money. I think that is what it all boils down to in the end. He is in it for the money, and will dance to the tune as long as they are paying the bills. The athletes rep position may be "unpaid", but I'm sure it still has its rewards with the IFBB for him.
Milos and Lee being banned I think is ridiculous. Some of the greatest physiques in the sport, and both interesting characters, and they are banned from competition because they spoke what they thought.
Vince, when arguments / debates arise, the ones who can't logically or ethically defend their position always resort to character attacks. They will call you a pedophile, etc. b/c they can't beat you in the argument, so they try to undermine you as a person so people wont listen to what you say, or take it seriously. Like you said, anyone with any sort of intelligence can see the conflict of interest issue with Bobby C.
LOL.....why would I delete a thread I post in?
There you go answering with a question once again.
once again Bob skirts the issue, considering he spends all his time on this board its ironic that he tells others to get a life ::)
If the Pros boycotted the Mr Olimpia one year they would get some attention. How about that? I think Bob does the best he can in a corrupt sport to begin with. He has to please both sides athletes and business people. 8)
Boycott for what reason? To make LESS money? Were finally starting to near the 1 M purse...between prize money and bonuses, most of these guys are making out pretty good
thanks for contributing
Bob Chick can't even be honest about his hair....what to expect... >:(
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Chick, you spend hour after hour, day after day on this board. What gives?Thats like a married guy at a strip club telling another guy he shouldn't be there because he is married.
Yes Chick, questions and eye brows are being raised about your obsession with this site.
You are an adult, a so-called professional who spends virtually every waking minute entrenced in mindless debates with anonymous getbiggers.
Chick, you spend hour after hour, day after day on this board. What gives?
Yes Chick, questions and eye brows are being raised about your obsession with this site.
You are an adult, a so-called professional who spends virtually every waking minute entrenced in mindless debates with anonymous getbiggers.
Obsesion? LOL....coming from a guy who has half as many posts in just a few months under THIS gimmick account, not to mention your first one, and others I'm sure you have...
Better check yourself
Obsesion? LOL....coming from a guy who has half as many posts in just a few months under THIS gimmick account, not to mention your first one, and others I'm sure you have...
Better check yourself
There are serious threads and then there are fun ones.
Bob C must have admired the Sophists who were around Athens about 300 BC and were contemporaries with Socrates and Plato. Would you believe those Sophists charged Socrates with impiety and he was sentenced to death by those unethical people.
This is a serious thread.
LOL....OK
And you say that based on ..what?
Epic moron....do you believe that would get us further?
Change is initiated by bringing up proposals and getting them passed at the Pro League meetings...not by any other means. I've been as critical as anyone, and took the lead in making a difference by way of a voice in the league...that's why we have more money in our pockets, health coverage and better judging criteria
I would strongly reccomend looking into the proposals and my success rate of approval before opening your mouth again...you're exposing your ignorance
I would strongly reccomend looking into the proposals and my success rate of approval before opening your mouth again...you're exposing your ignorance
Having said that BOTH these men have been in the pro trenches and speak from experience.
Didnt Bob hold a meeting not too long ago and only a handful of people actually showed up? LOL
I dont think the "athletes" give a shit about Bob's efforts and contributions. Bob seems to be the a self righteous know it all with everyone laughing behind his back.
I dont think he gets any sort of respect from the "athletes".
good posts milos
the sport is lucky to have someone like you
Boby...o Bobyyyyy...Bobychico.... where are youuuuuu?
We can't see youuuuuuu.....
LOL!!!
What Getbiggers find hard to believe is that Chick still wants that pro rep position even though it is completely unpaid. Sounds like the Pro League have the perfect stooge for the job.x2billion
You know folks, sit back and think about the ironical reality. The Pro League appointed a former deputy sheriff to represent the pro athletes. WTF was that? Why appoint a guy with a background like that? Seems to me Bob is doing cadet deputy sheriff work for the IFBB. You know, serve a notice on Lee Priest then enforce that order later. He is good at handing out penalties and punishments. He always explains why the offender deserved what he got. You gotta admire the diligence that Bob C puts into that unpaid position.
What Getbiggers find hard to believe is that Chick still wants that pro rep position even though it is completely unpaid. Sounds like the Pro League have the perfect stooge for the job.
You know folks, sit back and think about the ironical reality. The Pro League appointed a former deputy sheriff to represent the pro athletes. WTF was that? Why appoint a guy with a background like that? Seems to me Bob is doing cadet deputy sheriff work for the IFBB. You know, serve a notice on Lee Priest then enforce that order later. He is good at handing out penalties and punishments. He always explains why the offender deserved what he got. You gotta admire the diligence that Bob C puts into that unpaid position.
What Getbiggers find hard to believe is that Chick still wants that pro rep position even though it is completely unpaid. Sounds like the Pro League have the perfect stooge for the job.
What Getbiggers find hard to believe is that Chick still wants that pro rep position even though it is completely unpaid. Sounds like the Pro League have the perfect stooge for the job.who decides what rules to enforce.
You know folks, sit back and think about the ironical reality. The Pro League appointed a former deputy sheriff to represent the pro athletes. WTF was that? Why appoint a guy with a background like that? Seems to me Bob is doing cadet deputy sheriff work for the IFBB. You know, serve a notice on Lee Priest then enforce that order later. He is good at handing out penalties and punishments. He always explains why the offender deserved what he got. You gotta admire the diligence that Bob C puts into that unpaid position.
Sounds like the Pro League have the perfect stooge for the job.I know this is meant to be a serious thread and what not.
I dont hand out penalties or punishments, ImBasile...
What Getbiggers find hard to believe is that Chick still wants that pro rep position even though it is completely unpaid. Sounds like the Pro League have the perfect stooge for the job.
You know folks, sit back and think about the ironical reality. The Pro League appointed a former deputy sheriff to represent the pro athletes. WTF was that? Why appoint a guy with a background like that? Seems to me Bob is doing cadet deputy sheriff work for the IFBB. You know, serve a notice on Lee Priest then enforce that order later. He is good at handing out penalties and punishments. He always explains why the offender deserved what he got. You gotta admire the diligence that Bob C puts into that unpaid position.
Funny thing - you need an IFBB pro in good terms to be the athletes rep.
Please - tell me if there is anyone who wants to be the athlete rep beside's Chick. Let them put it out there.
But, once they realize what they need to do, it changes.
Shawn Ray understands... so do others...
Chick,
Can you list your sources of income at the moment: endorsements, magazines, etc. and then also state who owns these companies...?
Funny thing - you need an IFBB pro in good terms to be the athletes rep.Problem is nobody wants to work for free.
Please - tell me if there is anyone who wants to be the athlete rep beside's Chick. Let them put it out there.
But, once they realize what they need to do, it changes.
Shawn Ray understands... so do others...
Bodybuilding.com/ Liberty/ Deluca family
AMI/ stockholders
Eggwhites Int./ stockholders
SAG
Bodybuilding.com/ Liberty/ Deluca family
AMI/ stockholders
Eggwhites Int./ stockholders
SAG
looks like you guys are starting to see what i have seen all along w/ the chicky chicky boom boom
and god lately hes been living on here...hes like a retired old dude who is always home yelling at people
I have a question about Eggwhites Int'l: I see on your website that your best price for egg whites is a 4-gallon carton for $112 + $20 shipping, which works out to $33/gal. http://www.eggwhitesint.com/store.php?crn=66&rn=283&action=show_detail (http://www.eggwhitesint.com/store.php?crn=66&rn=283&action=show_detail) I can go down to my local Wal-Mart and purchase Egg Beaters 100% egg whites for $1.98 for a pint carton, which works out to $15.84/gal. So my question is, why would I buy from Eggwhites Int'l and pay more than twice as much for the same item, plus have to deal with the hassles of shipping and huge gallon jugs? A follow-up question is, how long do you intend to stay in business with your current pricing structure?
Thanks, Bob! :D
Problem is nobody wants to work for free.
Why Chick does this is beyond me...
Do a little homework and see why egg ehites from us, are a different product than Egg Beaters...
Thata said, ever actually eat them? They taste gritty and like the carton they come in
Because he ACTUALLY wants to makes things better for the sport that he cares about.
Unlike Milos or Lee, they may complain about how bodybuilders are treated, but when it comes to some actual action, they are MIA.
Remember Lee said he was going to start some foundation to raise money for bodybuilders in need???? Where is it..
Talk is cheap but at least Chick is ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKING A CHANGE FOR THE SPORT WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER.
At the end of the day, Chick is out there arguing and working with IFBB officials doing things to change the sport while Milos is hosting another "seminar".
I believe both products have exactly one ingredient: "egg whites". How the hell "different" could they be, to justify twice the price? ::)
Because he ACTUALLY wants to makes things better for the sport that he cares about.
Unlike Milos or Lee, they may complain about how bodybuilders are treated, but when it comes to some actual action, they are MIA.
Remember Lee said he was going to start some foundation to raise money for bodybuilders in need???? Where is it..
Talk is cheap but at least Chick is ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKING A CHANGE FOR THE SPORT WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER.
At the end of the day, Chick is out there arguing and working with IFBB officials doing things to change the sport while Milos is hosting another "seminar".
Fair Dinkum chaps! Come on! Floatsam! In my white van! Now! The fat sheilas are waiting!
Melvin, you really are naive and simple. Maybe you are trying to score some points by trying to support Bob and his role as the IFBB company stooge?
Just stop and think for a moment. Why do bodybuilders need someone to represent them? If the contests were fair dinkum why would anyone be upset and have issues? Well, over the decades plenty of questionable things have happened to the hapless bodybuilders. So many unsatisfactory things combine to make things less that perfect for the competing bodybuilders. The point is that if the organization was responsible and fair there should be no need to have anyone look after the competitors because the organization would be doing that. That we do need someone to campaign for conditions and so on for the bodybuilders proves the officials behind the contests leave much to be desired.
Same reason the NFL has a players union, MLB, NHL, NBA, and every other sport...if the athletes dont look out for themselves, we find ourselves back 10 years ago, with less money to show and unfair treatment as per the last management that was in place
Here are some important issues affecting all competing bodybuilders.
1. What judging system is being used. Should there be scoring rounds or just comparisons to separate and place competitors? Should judging occur only at the prejudging?
What criteria should be used to assess physiques? What about a posing round? How much importance should each factor have?
When do bodybuilders get to add input to this important issue? Can judging criteria and processes be changed to make contests fairer?
Already been brought up and changes to the judging criteria has been put in place...as per the last 3 Pro League meetings
2. How many judges should there be and what qualifications should they have? Who picks the judges?
3. What is the procedure to deal with questionable judging? How does any competitor redress grievances re placings that are lower than expected?
What to do when a competitor feels a judge or judges will not be fair?
Thats why they have a rep, to go to with questions or concerns...which many have done.
Can unfair and biased judges be removed and perhaps banned for life? How do we assess whether a judge is biased or unfair?
They have a system in place that drops highs and lows, thus making it hard for any one judge to make much of an impact
4. Re health: what is going to be done about steroids and other drug use in bodybuilding? Should there be out of comp testing? What is done to those who test positive?
5. What about the issue of augmenting muscles to appear larger than they are? Additives such as oil based substances and inserts should not be allowed. Penalties for offenders?
Actually one of the very few issues we agree on...if it looks funky, and detracts from the physique...the athlete in question should be placed last
6. What kind of posing wear should be allowed and can bodybuilders have an input on such standards?
7. The issue of implants to augment missing tissue in mammary glands of female competitors. Should they be outlawed to make the sport more natural? Maybe athletes shouldn't vote here?
Any bonus in making the women LESS feminine or atractive?
8. The use of chemicals and substances to change body colour. Such 'tanning' agents probably shouldn't be part of the sport.
9. The amount and division of prize money. Who decides and do the competitors have a say about this important business?
10. The rules re professionalism. Can bodybuilders have a say re the process of qualifying as a professional? Can competitors lose their professional status if standards drop?
11. The issue of signing contracts for competition with various organizations and businesses. This is quite complicated but important if if makes a difference to livelihood.
12. The issue of behaviour outside of competition. Are there inappropriate ways to behave and earn money? The issue of G4P and porn should be clear so that everyone knows the rules.
The ACLU might have something to say about that...
What are the penalties if competitors offend and have inappropriate lifestyles? Should competitors with criminal records be allowed to compete? What about issues re selling of drugs?
13. Should competitors have a say about photos and videos taken at contests? Should there be someone to oversee what photos are used in magazines and on the internet? The point is
that images and videos do impact on perceptions of bodybuilders and can therefore influence judging in future contests.
Irrelevant as judges should be judging on whats standing in front of them, not what some picture on the internet looked like
14. How to deal with promoters and various issues competitors might have regarding how they are treated and conditions they endure while competing at various locations.
Bring it up to the rep
15. How to deal with publicity and the media before, during and after contests. Anything that can impact on placings should be something competitors can voice opinions about.
16. The internet and freedom of voicing opinions. Should bodybuilders be allowed to have freedom of speech regarding bodybuilding, contests and lifestyles? Should organizations be
able to limit participation in online forums? If the internet influences placings in contests then bodybuilders should have a say about this whole enterprise. Should competitors be
allowed to post or have posted for them various photos and videos of condition leading up to contests?
17. Who gets to run bodybuilding in the various countries around the world? Do bodybuilders have a say in who is organizing the contests? Are these people replaceable through open
elections held annually? What is needed is transparancy and the absence of any person who might show bias one way or other to anyone who is competing. Positive and negative bias
are both undesirable. What are the standards for becoming a professional and should there even be any such thing? Do bodybuilders have a say here?
18. What behaviour is acceptable and what forbidden re judges and officials? Can these people speak out or should they be limited in what they can say? Eg., voicing opinions about
competitors and placings.
19. The issue of women's competition. Categories, criteria, scoring, etc., etc., etc.
20. Issues of having a union for and of competitors to have rules and a voice re concerns. What role will this union have and what power is vested in it? Elections for reps?
21. Health issues re bodybuilding. Concerns about both short term and long term issues. Can bodybuilders be covered for health insurance?
They have group health coverage available to them as of 2 years ago
22. Issues where winners, etc., are invited to be at contests, etc. Eg., should all winners be invited if past winners are being introduced at say a Mr Olympia contest?
23. How to deal with disclosures in the future re cheating and bias in contests? What process should be followed and what penalties dealt out? Can winners and placegetters be stripped of
titles, trophies and prizemoney?
24. Issues re the eligibility of contestants. Should you be allowed to win the Mr or Ms Olympia only once? Can bodybuilders decide this issue?
25. Review of all rules, codes, regulations and procedures in bodybuilding? What input can bodybuilders have? How frequent is this process and who is overseeing this process and when
and where is this held? Can the constitution be changed by the bodybuilders? What is the process and what is the quorum required?
Bob,
Where exactly was the athlete rep job posted, after Shawn resigned??
On the official site of the IFBB....www.ifbbpro.com
Chick, why is the prize money so low? Even the Arnold is pretty low.
Body88, ask Milos that question. I am going to go buy some Milos dvd's and some other stuff for the owining he gave Bob.
Yeah...real big "owning"...LOL
I backed up every question with fact, Milos talked jibberish and called me names...
Yeah...real big "owning"...LOL
I backed up every question with fact, Milos talked jibberish and called me names...
I'm still wondering why Bob's "special" egg whites cost more than twice as much as egg whites in the grocery store, when the one and only ingredient in both products is identical.
Perhaps you're paying for the cool muscular chicken on the box. ;D
Hey..Bob's gotta make a profit ya know!
I have a question about Eggwhites Int'l: I see on your website that your best price for egg whites is a 4-gallon carton for $112 + $20 shipping, which works out to $33/gal. http://www.eggwhitesint.com/store.php?crn=66&rn=283&action=show_detail (http://www.eggwhitesint.com/store.php?crn=66&rn=283&action=show_detail) I can go down to my local Wal-Mart and purchase Egg Beaters 100% egg whites for $1.98 for a pint carton, which works out to $15.84/gal. So my question is, why would I buy from Eggwhites Int'l and pay more than twice as much for the same item, plus have to deal with the hassles of shipping and huge gallon jugs? A follow-up question is, how long do you intend to stay in business with your current pricing structure?
Thanks, Bob! :D
So I'm guessing the manufacturers of the egg whites you buy at the grocery store for half as much are selling at a loss? ::)
There's "making a profit", and then there's "taking advantage of stupid meathead bodybuilders who don't know any better".
Yeah...real big "owning"...LOL
I backed up every question with fact, Milos talked jibberish and called me names...
Vinny Basile sucks dick
Chick, why is the prize money so low? The Arnold and the Olympia seem like they could do better. Shit, how much revenue does the Arnold create? It should look like this:
1.) 250,000 + car + rolex (custom Arnold classic version)
2.) 200,000 + rolex
3.) 150,000 + rolex
4.) 100
5.) 90
6.) 80
7.) 70
8.) 60
9.) 50
10.) 40
10 - whatever: 25K
What would it take to get this done?
Chick, why is the prize money so low? The Arnold and the Olympia seem like they could do better. Shit, how much revenue does the Arnold create? It should look like this:
1.) 250,000 + car + rolex (custom Arnold classic version)
2.) 200,000 + rolex
3.) 150,000 + rolex
4.) 100
5.) 90
6.) 80
7.) 70
8.) 60
9.) 50
10.) 40
10 - whatever: 25K
What would it take to get this done?
Yeah...real big "owning"...LOL
I backed up every question with fact, Milos talked jibberish and called me names...
1M purse would sure be nice....why is the prize money so low? Probably because of the unique set up of having individual promoters put on shows...if the IFBB put on their own shows as I've suggested for years...it just might be possible to see such numbers in the future.
If promoters thought they would make more money by giving more away, I'm sure they would do it...~! ::)
;D ;D
FACT?
#1 FACT: Every CHANGE you requested - please list them all - came from Giepetto's office and NOT the athletes...
FACT: every change I propose does come from me, as I am the representative...congrat ulations, now you know the definition of a "REPRESENTATIVE"....The ideas I come uip with come from myself and many other ideas from other athletes I'm in contact with throughout the year. As usual, I'm always receptive to ideas from others....so far...NONE from you have come in.
#2 FACT: NOTHING THAT ATHLETES REQUESTED FROM VERY BEGINNING : MORE COMPARISONS + ORIGINAL SCORE SHEETS - that you said in 2006 meeting (last one I attended realizing the size of your nose and strange brown color all over it - with striking and disturbing - smell) - that you have written conformation from Manion personally - that starting 2007 NEW RULES ATHLETES asked for WILL BE IMPLEMENTED....NEVER MATERIALIZED
There is no question that MORE comparisons have been implemented....just ask the athleets on stage. So far, since the rule change...I have yet to receive ONE SINGLE complaint of not being compared enough.
As the very first show 2007 - IFBB Ironman clearly showed...
So, the very change athletes asked for that you said was ACCEPTED - you lied...as NOBODY AT THE JUDGING PANEL KNEW ABOUT IT...
Which was Manions fault...I suggest you take it up with him. It's not my job to tell the judges what rules have been changed. I'll be happy to let Jim know of your displeasure you have of his job
You confirmed 2006 that from 2007 - TOP TEN FINISHERS WILL ABSOLUTELY AND CERTAINLY - all be compared against each other....
And - what happened....???
And ORIGINAL SCORE SHEETS with exact scores of each and every judge in every round...? Became - what ?
Instead of 2 rounds at prejudging - we have ONE score...and than FINALS - and posing routine is NOT even being judged anymore...
Rounds 1 and 2 are a combned score.....round 3 is the posing round, which is scored just as you wanted it. Round 4 is the posedown...I suggest you actually attend a show to see how it works, seems you are a little misinformed.
Hmmm, can you give us (me) a LIST WICH IFBB PRO ATHLETES requested that change?ther tha that...what the hell are you talking about?
How about a list from you as to how many proposals YOU have submitted? How many ideas YOU have contributed? So far, NOTHING....
What change? The combining of rounds 1&2 are simply to make scoring easier...
Bobby the Clown?
Who else?
Bobbychico - OK, I'll let you have 2 votes for both personalities you have...regardless that both are in pretty much the same group...
Does this hold true in regards to the Arnold and the Olympia? The Arnold must generate some serious money.
;D ;DMad doctor for the president!! 8) 8)
FACT?
#1 FACT: Every CHANGE you requested - please list them all - came from Giepetto's office and NOT the athletes...
#2 FACT: NOTHING THAT ATHLETES REQUESTED FROM VERY BEGINNING : MORE COMPARISONS + ORIGINAL SCORE SHEETS - that you said in 2006 meeting (last one I attended realizing the size of your nose and strange brown color all over it - with striking and disturbing - smell) - that you have written conformation from Manion personally - that starting 2007 NEW RULES ATHLETES asked for WILL BE IMPLEMENTED....NEVER MATERIALIZED
As the very first show 2007 - IFBB Ironman clearly showed...
So, the very change athletes asked for that you said was ACCEPTED - you lied...as NOBODY AT THE JUDGING PANEL KNEW ABOUT IT...
You confirmed 2006 that from 2007 - TOP TEN FINISHERS WILL ABSOLUTELY AND CERTAINLY - all be compared against each other....
And - what happened....???
And ORIGINAL SCORE SHEETS with exact scores of each and every judge in every round...? Became - what ?
Instead of 2 rounds at prejudging - we have ONE score...and than FINALS - and posing routine is NOT even being judged anymore...
Hmmm, can you give us (me) a LIST WICH IFBB PRO ATHLETES requested that change?
Bobby the Clown?
Who else?
Bobbychico - OK, I'll let you have 2 votes for both personalities you have...regardless that both are in pretty much the same group...
Bob still hasn't explained why his egg whites cost more than twice as much as egg whites from Wal Mart or Costco, despite the fact that it's the exact same product (only one ingredient on each label: "egg whites").
Do you all think perhaps he does not have a good answer for this, and is hoping it will just blow over? ;D
Our eggwhites are double filtered and heat pasteurized...so you can drink them as easily as cook them. So they all may contain the same product, but the process is different.
That said...egg beaters tastes like my balls. Our product tastes like eggwhites.
Not familiar with egg products from Walmart or Costco
All other products (at least egg beaters, costco, all-whites, etc) are pasteurized as well. I would imagine they would be filtered too, since that would be part of the process of separating the white and making sure there is no yolk or shell in the final product.
"Egg beaters tastes like balls"? I'm assuming you are referring to the original product that contains thickeners, colorings, flavorings, etc. I'm talking about the newer 100% egg whites product that contains nothing but egg whites, which wouldn't taste any different than your egg whites, since egg whites are egg whites.
Face it, you're selling the exact same product for more than twice the price.
But at least if I order from you, I get a cool muscular chicken on the box, I get the product in unwieldy gallon jugs, and I get to wait for shipping and delivery, right? ;D
On the official site of the IFBB....www.ifbbpro.com
Roz liked to get it in the ass. The kids did not, but I did it anyway. Floatsam! Fair dinkum!.
Yup....and we just did over 1M.
Buy where ever you like
wow 1 mil ::)
Yeah, and last year Chrysler did over $47 billion.
They just filed for bankruptcy, and will probably be liquidated.
Hope this helps. :D
wow 1 mil ::)
That's a lot of overpaying meatheads, huh?guess that's why he moved to orlando...da dollah goes further
Remember, kids, if you want egg whites for half the price, buy them at you local Wal Mart or Costco in convenient pint or quart containers! ;D
guess that's why he moved to orlando...da dollah goes further
If he made the move by choice rather than by necessity, it's actually pretty smart. There's no real reason to live in a sky-high cost-of-living area unless you have to be there to earn your living.
If he made the move by choice rather than by necessity, it's actually pretty smart. There's no real reason to live in a sky-high cost-of-living area unless you have to be there to earn your living.cum mon orlando sucks and u know it
cum mon orlando sucks and u know it
Orlando's not a bad place at all. Great climate, decent direct-flight airline access, and not terribly backwards. It doesn't have the population base to be a first-tier city, but all-in-all it's not a bad place to live, and it's cheap to live there compared to LA.yes it is...can't convince me ever lol
yes it is...can't convince me ever lol
wow 1 mil ::)
guess that's why he moved to orlando...da dollah goes further
Orlando? Who lives in Orlando?
Where in FL? You in Ft Myers so you can hang w your buddy 240? ;Ddont tell he's a stalker chick
Where in FL? You in Ft Myers so you can hang w your buddy 240? ;D
I couldn't care less, but Basile emailed me satellite photos of his house when he lived in Castaic.
All information that can be used against someone is inherrently valuable. However, as the info came unsolicited, I thought it was a little creepy. But in the end, I figured we should be relieved that he was stalking someone over the age of 18 at least.
cool...here is a pic of the old house you can add to your collection
cool...here is a pic of the old house you can add to your collection
I have never emailed Goatboy. I don't make up shit about others on this forum.
There is still a price on Goatboy's head for his genuine photo, preferably with someone's foot standing on his head.
I have never emailed Goatboy. I don't make up shit about others on this forum.
There is still a price on Goatboy's head for his genuine photo, preferably with someone's foot standing on his head.
Getting back to the topic here. If you people look at what Bob C does and not what he says then what must you conclude? Simply that he accepted an appointed position because he thinks he is the best guy for the job. In other words, he approves of the way the Pro League runs things and I suppose he wants to have some input into how it all goes down. If we listen to comments he has made on the radio and webcasts then it is clear he doesn't think too much about the professionals. It is almost as if he is there to make sure all get exactly what they deserve. Thus, he supports most of the system that runs the IFBB. You know, a judging system for the pros that allows a certain amount of correcting before placings and prize money are awarded. To insiders like Bob C, this IS justice and he uses all his skills as a cadet deputy sheriff to assist muscleheads with his advices. Naturally, the guys who aren't that clued in will believe Bob is their mate and doing his best to help them. Ha, nothing could be further from the truth. Bob is there is help his real mate, Jim M, who runs the Pro League. Bob was rewarded for services rendered not only by awards from the IFBB but also winning an important contest a couple of years ago. Why should Bob go against the system that saw him win against some better bodybuilders? Well, he doesn't and that is a fact. Not all the professionals are stupid and most know what is going on and therefore they don't attend so-called athletes meetings. It doesn't matter to Bob because he feels he is doing his job anyway. He doesn't need the input of the professionals to know what to say to the Pro League. Milos has exposed Bob C once and for all as an hypocrite. There is Bob still posting away and claiming he is totally innocent of all charges.
I'm guessing you were a lifelong union worker with lots of grievances.bob paid his dues and was awarded with that win. yes, shit happens. yes, it was a set-up. yes, life is not fair :)
Close?
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
jesus christ vince how do you expect people to take anything you say seriously? is that really you in that picture? i hope it is photoshopped for your sake
Not photoshopped. That is Vince Basile, and he chose to have a picture taken like that.
On another note, Egg Whites International Egg Whites cost more than twice as much as egg whites from Costco or Wall Mart! :o
Not photoshopped. That is Vince Basile, and he chose to have a picture taken like that.
bob chick!
you run away from simple questions...
have you ever competed outside the USA??
have you ever left the USA ??
I guess we all have to be careful what we post online because it could be posted on Getbig. I used to live in Canada and palm trees were something you saw indoors. So when I went to Fiji in 1969 I had a photo taken half way up a palm tree. It was a trick because the tree was sloping but if you took the photo from the right angle it seemed like you were climbing the palm. Fast forward to 2004 and there I was duplicating the shot for a laugh.
The shot in the cage was for a laugh, too. Sure, few might have shots taken like that but I have a sense of humour.
You have to wonder, though, what is more peculiar, posting amusing photos on one's website or Getbiggers harvesting photos there to post on Getbig?
Hell will freeze over before we see a photo of Goatboy here. Yet this same hero is the one who reposts so many photos of others. He is the reason he can't post photos of himself!
:-Xhahhhaahahahahah
bob chick!
you run away from simple questions...
have you ever competed outside the USA??
have you ever left the USA ??
I dont know anything about the eggwhites they carry....but what I do know is I charge people more than twice as much for the same shit. People wanting to use egg whites are better off buying them at the grocery store or Wal Mart.
Glad you agree, Bob! ;D
Excellent....178 more posts to go!!!!!
The number of posts I have does not change the fact that your company sells a product via the web for more than twice the price you can get the exact same thing for at your local Wal Mart. You're counting on the fact that most meatheads suck at math.
good luck bob chick youre almost at 9000 posts!
Bob loves to talk shit about people when he's losing an argument, it's his M.O.agreed
Post the nutritional info from those products and we can compare...
Bob loves to talk shit about people when he's losing an argument, it's his M.O.
What argument would that be?
You've made a statement, I've asked that you qualify it with the information requested....
I'm sure you have it, right?
Edit: can you make it more illegible?
Sorry, I forgot to account for the fact you probably have a crappy low-resolution monitor.
Here, I'll translate for you:
Ingredients: 100% egg whites
Serving size: about 3 tbsp (46g)
Calories: 25
Total Fat: 0g
Chol: 0g
Sodium: 75 mg
Total Carb: 0g
Protein: 5g
Whats the price and how many serv per container?
Is it a half Gal?
one pint, $1.98. (8 pints in a gallon, therefore $15.84/gal. $0 shipping, since you get it at the store).im def getting these instead of the super expensive egg whites bob peddles
im def getting these instead of the super expensive egg whites bob peddles
LOL
But don't you want the awesome gallon-sized jugs that barely fit in your fridge, and the cool muscular chicken on the box? Why surely the cool muscular chicken is worth paying $33/gal instead of $15.84?
Why is it called Egg Whites International if it only services the US and is only based in the US?GOOD QUESTION
I think if Bob lowered his price to say $13.46/gal with free shipping (a 15% discount off the $15.84/gal store price for having to deal with the large containers and having to wait for the product) I'd be willing to order egg whites from him!X2
Why is it called Egg Whites International if it only services the US and is only based in the US?
Hmmmm.... very good question. Bob! can you explain this seeming contradiction? Do you plan on selling internationally after Americans all realize your pricing structure is not competitive?
his customers must be stupid
His customers are bodybuilders. Therefore, by definition you are correct.
I'm sure his product is just as good as any other egg whites. But he's selling a commodity, yet he's pricing it as though it's somehow unique and differentiated. Premium pricing a commodity doesn't work. That's why you never see people paying more for "brand name" gasoline or electricity.
His customers are bodybuilders. Therefore, by definition you are correct.
I'm sure his product is just as good as any other egg whites. But he's selling a commodity, yet he's pricing it as though it's somehow unique and differentiated. Premium pricing a commodity doesn't work. That's why you never see people paying more for "brand name" gasoline or electricity.
Depends really. People pay for premium water.
Depends really. People pay for premium water.
That = where the brains of BB's comes in. They think supplement products = differentiated because of smacktalk like "ion filtered" and "anabolic molecular augmentation (not used yet, but meatheads will buy it once its used ;D), when it = mostly just the same crap they could have gotten at half the prize some other place.
Even if a product is 2% "more effective" after some obscure technique, those 2% becomes nothing in the grand scheme of things besides becoming a justification for paying a premium price.
I knew it! People ARE paying for the damn muscular chicken on the box! And since they can't carry that box around to let people know how cool they are, Bob sells muscular chicken activewear on the same site!
However, the consumer group Bob is going after is willing to pay more for products that claim to be "better"
Even if there's no real justification for that claim?
Even if there's no real justification for that claim?
I think so. Think about it, we are talking about people who are afraid to eat 5 calories to much. People that OBSESS about their body and what they put in it. Spend thousands on drugs to win a tiny plastic trophy. Paying a few extra bucks for "the stuff the pro's use" is nothing to them. Now people like you, Debussy and I? Not so much.Yep, but why do you guys exclude yourself from this market?
I think so. Think about it, we are talking about people who are afraid to eat 5 calories to much. People that OBSESS about their body and what they put in it. Spend thousands on drugs to win a tiny plastic trophy. Paying a few extra bucks for "the stuff the pro's use" is nothing to them. Now people like you, Debussy and I? Not so much.
Of course, this benefits the entire industry as its built around selling snake oil.Not all supplements are snake oil... like an MRP can be beneficial for quick calories for example.
Not all supplements are snake oil... like an MRP can be beneficial for quick calories for example.
Although I understand that there is snake oil out there. Some of the muscletech products are questionable...
Of course, this benefits the entire industry as its built around selling snake oil.
The entire industry is selling Snake OilTM now? Wow, that Milos is an industrious guy!
one pint, $1.98. (8 pints in a gallon, therefore $15.84/gal. $0 shipping, since you get it at the store).
The Egg Whites International is a lot more portable to take with you than cartons of egg whites and more convenient. When I'm traveling, I'll put one in my cooler and when I get to the hotel I can stick the container in the mini frig. You can't do that with cartons as they will bust and spill over.
Now for people like me that stay in nice hotels on vacation, breakfast is usually around 30 bucks a day and is full of fat and grease. I can simply cook up a nice omelet along with a cup of coffee and save some money and let the kitchen keep the fat and grizzle for themselves.
At home, I use store bought egg whites but travel wise, the Egg Whites International are the best
The Egg Whites International is a lot more portable to take with you than cartons of egg whites and more convenient. When I'm traveling, I'll put one in my cooler and when I get to the hotel I can stick the container in the mini frig. You can't do that with cartons as they will bust and spill over.
Now for people like me that stay in nice hotels on vacation, breakfast is usually around 30 bucks a day and is full of fat and grease. I can simply cook up a nice omelet along with a cup of coffee and save some money and let the kitchen keep the fat and grizzle for themselves.
At home, I use store bought egg whites but travel wise, the Egg Whites International are the best
The Egg Whites International is a lot more portable to take with you than cartons of egg whites and more convenient. When I'm traveling, I'll put one in my cooler and when I get to the hotel I can stick the container in the mini frig. You can't do that with cartons as they will bust and spill over.
Now for people like me that stay in nice hotels on vacation, breakfast is usually around 30 bucks a day and is full of fat and grease. I can simply cook up a nice omelet along with a cup of coffee and save some money and let the kitchen keep the fat and grizzle for themselves.
At home, I use store bought egg whites but travel wise, the Egg Whites International are the best
Come on Vince. It's not like you actually follow a BBing style diet ::)
I swear Vince G CSN MFT PHD is sucking up to Bob C! What gives, Melvin? Are you staying in good with the pro athletes rep in case you turn pro?
Who's the crackpot? Weren't you the dude flogging the Magic Stick and Bee Polen to hapless muscleheads not so long ago?
How is your metaphysics going? You should have completed your second PhD by now!
Don't change the subject you old salt. The fact is that you're complaining about a job that you are not even qualified nor even affects or has anything to do with you.
I'm not an IFBB pro, Basile. I'm just a fat homosexual hillbilly washed up never been that's trying to make a name for myself on the internet
I'm sorry but I had my chance when I was competing but I didn't train or diet at all to be the best. Now I cannot live with it.
Yep, but why do you guys exclude yourself from this market?
This is a bodybuilding forum I bet you lot are meatheads too.
fixed, Cumdrum you are a pathetic negro ::)
::)
I'm as dedicated the craft as you are dedicated to being a posting troll like Lynchie.
Which means: You = not dedicated at all.
You repeatedly show up in pudgy shape to shows. This would not happen with true dedication. You fail to follow a simple system.
;D
Cumdrum fails at everything
I would never pay what Bob is asking for his egg whites. However, I think he is doing a great job at pricing his product for his target demo. Goat didn't just buy the product, he actually read the label first. He's not worried about taking in an egg white that is not designed for bodybuilders. A true "meathead" would never do that. They want "the best"!
Btw, I am a big advocate of supplements that work. It's not all snake oil,....about 60% is.
Goatballs is a perfect example of someone that thinks everything is the same, while smarter people know that you get what you pay for...
While it may look like the same thing for half the price, it aint.
1. their product has a 7-10 day shelf life and loaded with preservatives...ours is flash frozen without, and has a shelf life of 3-4 months.
Their products are primarily made for baking, which has a whipping agent added....ours doesn't contain such a thing and is made to cooked, or drink.
4. While filet mignon and beef stew may both technically be steaks, there s a big difference between them.
3. We have a referrel fee which you can actually MAKE money on...I don't see Walmart or Cosco with that offer
Basile, what does your purple-font blather have to do with Bob's overpriced egg whites? >:(
Go with the cheap stuff...gotta cut corners where you can
Already explained that its not....
If you cant afford it, you cant afford it....don't worry about it, we'll be just fine
Already explained that its not....
If you cant afford it, you cant afford it....don't worry about it, we'll be just fine
Wonder when that stubborn Chick will throw the towel in re the pro athletes rep appointment? Seems to me he is riding a dead horse.
What concern of it is yours? You have nothing to do with Pro BB, the IFBB, or the Pro League.what is "your daddys gym" sugardaddy" ???
Go back to working in your daddys gym
Already explained that its not....
If you cant afford it, you cant afford it....don't worry about it, we'll be just fine
that's just crass inexperience. more people have 17.99 than 35.99
Great professionalism in talking down to "potential customers".
;D
that's just crass inexperience. more people have 17.99 than 35.99
Hey, Melvin, did you buy any of those cheap homes we hear about in the paper and TV? Might be a way to get out of that trailer. Some have been sold for $100.
Goadboy, I use Navy font, not purple.
You didn't ask if you actually ingest those egg whites? Can't imagine you actually lifting any weights!
I have no idea what you are talking about, Basile but my home is still twice as big as that piece of shit pink gym of yours
What bothers me about the brains of typical muscleheads like Goodrum is that they have absorbed all crap fed to them by the internet and muscle magazines. I doubt that Melvin Goodrum, aka Venom Vince Versace, aka Vince G CSN MFT PHD is capable of independent thought. If he were then he would realize that all the professional bodybuilders have been brainwashed and manipulated by the IFBB and Pro League.
When Joe Weider created the Mr Olympia contest it was to give the various champions a platform to compete. In those days the only big show you could win over and over again was the NABBA Professional Mr Universe in England. Reg Park and Bill Pearl won this title many times. So did a few other guys like Boyer Coe. So Joe wasn't really doing anything original. I don't think he predicted that the title would be held by a few individuals for so many years. Arnold, Haney, Yates and Coleman won way too many times. Sometimes guys won who were title holders that didn't deserve the victory. It appears that title holders were given gifts some years and we can think of Yates and Coleman after they were injured.
The Mr Olympia was for champions of various titles to come together in an open contest. There was no need to have to qualify as a professional in those days. In NABBA you were considered a professional bodybuilder if you owned a gym. How naive was that? Just because you own a gym doesn't make you a professional bodybuilder. Being around your own gym all day doesn't give you much incentive to train because you have customers to talk to and help and maintenance and cleaning to do. Yes, gym owners often do a lot of those things. What evolved in the IFBB was a system where the bodybuilders could be totally controlled so that the IFBB always held the power.
Vince used to live in a warehouse after his divorce from his fat wife ;D
Already explained that its not....
If you cant afford it, you cant afford it....don't worry about it, we'll be just fine
I'm as dedicated the craft as you are dedicated to being a posting troll like Lynchie.
I give credit where it is due. Melvin looks fairly big off season. What has impacted on him is the difficulty in getting into contest shape. It isn't good enough to look impressive in your bedroom mirror. You need striations showing and some people find out they either can't get that cut up or they lose too much size in the process. I think Melvin errs trying to keep too much size and he ends up a tad soft in the lineup.