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Title: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:05:42 AM
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Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Stavios on May 01, 2009, 09:08:27 AM
I don't know.... I never lose that much strengh exept on the squat when I get leaner.

arms get small and flat as shit everytime tho
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: chainsaw on May 01, 2009, 09:13:57 AM
You might be right.
I thing shoulder and chest.
I just had shoulder surgery, and can only dumb press 15lbs.
pathetic when I was doing 55-65 8 mos ago.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:15:03 AM
I don't know.... I never lose that much strengh exept on the squat when I get leaner.

arms get small and flat as shit everytime tho

::)

Stavios I love you man but I ain't on the sauce, different ballgame.

Cheers though... ;)
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Meso_z on May 01, 2009, 09:15:26 AM
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yes, i have noticed that....
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:16:21 AM
You might be right.
I thing shoulder and chest.
I just had shoulder surgery, and can only dumb press 15lbs.
pathetic when I was doing 55-65 8 mos ago.

Couple of months ago I could do 32.5kg dumbbells for 6 reps shoulder press; today I couldn't even hoist 30kg above my shoulders, let alone get a rep... :-\
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Stavios on May 01, 2009, 09:16:41 AM

::)

Stavios I love you man but I ain't on the sauce, different ballgame.

Cheers though... ;)

it was the same when I dieted natural
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:17:11 AM
yes, i have noticed that....

Good to know I am not any weirder than I already am. Sucks though, considering I m still pretty fat... :-X
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:17:47 AM
it was the same when I dieted natural

Hmm...well some other dudes have confirmed it here so...
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: The Master on May 01, 2009, 09:28:54 AM
I don't know.... I never lose that much strengh exept on the squat when I get leaner.

arms get small and flat as shit everytime tho


The squat might go down because your belly gets smaller.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Fatpanda on May 01, 2009, 09:36:10 AM
Couple of months ago I could do 32.5kg dumbbells for 6 reps shoulder press; today I couldn't even hoist 30kg above my shoulders, let alone get a rep... :-\

increase your carbs/ decrease your fats.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: MuscleKing on May 01, 2009, 09:37:32 AM
increase your carbs/ decrease your fats.

Don't take advice from this guy, he is fat and looks like shit. ;)
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:40:57 AM
Strength loss will depend on your diet, and how fast you are losing the weight, along with your workout routine and rest.

For example, if you are doing a low carb diet, then your glycogen stores will be depleted when working out...this happens even when your not dieting, but normally, you would eat a very high carb meal or drink after the workout to replenish glycogen.  A lot of people on a low carb diet wont do this b/c of the carbs.  Its okay to drink a gatorade during or after workotu while on a low carb diet though b/c this is one of the cases when it bypasses its normal route and goes into the muscles instead to replenish the glycogen stores.

If you are cutting calories too low too fast, then your energy and strength will go down as well.  Better to do it in small intervals. 

A lot of people change their routines when dieting b/c they see some strength loss.  Try to hold onto the basic compound exercises as long as possible and try to just "maintain" instead of gaining. 


I noticed when I dieted the first time my strength went to the toilet, but I made a lot of the mistakes I talked about above.  Either way, though, you will always lose some stregnth, but you can probably minimize the damage by doign the above.

good luck with the rest of your diet.

I usually stick to low carb but today was a pigout day so I was totally carbloaded...still...I been sleeping (even for me) poorly the whole week...so maybe that has something to do with it...hopefully next week will be better.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Stavios on May 01, 2009, 09:44:16 AM

The squat might go down because your belly gets smaller.

yeah that's what I think because all the other lifts go up, even leg presses

it must be the bio-mechanics
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: calfzilla on May 01, 2009, 09:46:11 AM
A true getbigger gets stronger has he diets.   ;)
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Fatpanda on May 01, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
Don't take advice from this guy, he is fat and looks like shit. ;)

thanks, but you are wrong.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: The Master on May 01, 2009, 09:49:10 AM
yeah that's what I think because all the other lifts go up, even leg presses

it must be the bio-mechanics


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Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: tbombz on May 01, 2009, 09:50:30 AM

The squat might go down because your belly gets smaller.
thats a really good point debussey

big belly allows for big weight on leg exercise, i remember when i first start trainign i was doing 12 plates a a side on leg press with full reps.... but only because i had a monster belly to bounce my quads/knees off of to get the weight back up.

Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: The Showstoppa on May 01, 2009, 09:51:47 AM
thats a really good point debussey

big belly allows for big weight on leg exercise, i remember when i first start trainign i was doing 12 plates a a side on leg press with full reps.... but only because i had a monster belly to bounce my quads/knees off of to get the weight back up.



And when fat, your range of motion on leg presses is drastically shorter.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 09:59:27 AM
A true getbigger gets stronger has he diets.   ;)

Yup....that is why I will never be a true getbigger... :(
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: The Master on May 01, 2009, 10:13:54 AM
Yup....that is why I will never be a true getbigger... :(

You = Deicide. Debussey = Debussey.

 :-*
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 10:25:35 AM
You = Deicide. Debussey = Debussey.

 :-*

Jeg forstar igge...
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: wavelength on May 01, 2009, 10:59:42 AM
Depends on genetics. I gained strength on shoulders on my current cut.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Awesomo on May 01, 2009, 11:08:03 AM
When i diet i try my hardest just to maintain strength. Yesterday at the gym though my brother kept saying how much weaker he was on shoulder press so maybe it is true. My thoughts are you will notice it more on exercises where you lift heavier weights. So that makes sense why people say shoulders. Now with bench it is easier to cheat and bounce the bar to keep the same weight whereas you can't do that with shoulders.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: mazrim on May 01, 2009, 01:03:26 PM
Leg exercises for me mainly.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 01:09:38 PM
When i diet i try my hardest just to maintain strength. Yesterday at the gym though my brother kept saying how much weaker he was on shoulder press so maybe it is true. My thoughts are you will notice it more on exercises where you lift heavier weights. So that makes sense why people say shoulders. Now with bench it is easier to cheat and bounce the bar to keep the same weight whereas you can't do that with shoulders.

Part of the problem is heaving those things up to shoulder level in the first place; you know with dumbbell chest presses you start comfortably so it is weird...haven't lost as much there.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 01:10:40 PM
Depends on genetics. I gained strength on shoulders on my current cut.

Well...in terms of genetics I have everything stacked against me...seems I even have the epic strength loss genetics... :-\
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: QuakerOats on May 01, 2009, 01:11:48 PM
what do you db press, deicide?
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 01:16:31 PM
what do you db press, deicide?

Well before the strength loss...need to calculate into lbs...I could do 72 pounders for 5-6 reps (just one set)...but today I couldn't even get 65lbs above my ear level... :-\
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Stormspirit on May 01, 2009, 01:18:04 PM
i concur with leg strength loss, even though i started training legs again right when i started dieting..i think its because of the cardio personally, you only use your legs
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 01:19:03 PM
i concur with leg strength loss, even though i started training legs again right when i started dieting..i think its because of the cardio personally, you only use your legs

No leg strength loss yet...probably will happen soon enough...fucking injured myself today as well... :-X
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: wavelength on May 01, 2009, 02:15:25 PM
No leg strength loss yet...probably will happen soon enough...fucking injured myself today as well... :-X

In my experience, some strength will be lost in the beginning, then it should stay the same or only very slowly decline. On some exercises, strength will even come back some. If you feel like you lose strength too fast, I would up calories a little.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 02:16:36 PM
In my experience, some strength will be lost in the beginning, then it should stay the same or only very slowly decline. On some exercises, strength will even come back some. If you feel like you lose strength too fast, I would up calories a little.

As fat as I am...upping the calories is a no go but I was depressed today so I stuffed my face like a pig anyway.... :D :-\
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: wavelength on May 01, 2009, 02:35:24 PM
As fat as I am...upping the calories is a no go but I was depressed today so I stuffed my face like a pig anyway.... :D :-\

No problem, I did too. Holiday here (same in UK?)
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 02:38:48 PM
No problem, I did too. Holiday here (same in UK?)

No...still have tons of work to do and prepping for dissertation...list I mentioned will go out in about 2 weeks time and I am counting on your support.















































Being an adult sucks...wish I could just read, novels, train, play pc games and post ong getbig.... 8)

Alas... :'(
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: ASJChaotic on May 01, 2009, 02:38:54 PM
You can keep all your strenght and still lose alot of size
so it doesn't matter how much strenght you keep  ;)
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
You can keep all your strenght and still lose alot of size
so it doesn't matter how much strenght you keep  ;)

Dude...what's the deal? ???
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: ASJChaotic on May 01, 2009, 02:41:47 PM
Dude...what's the deal? ???

People think getting stronger = more size
which is wrong
People also think keeping strenght = keeping size
which is also wrong

just trying to help, what's the problem?  ???
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 02:43:55 PM
People think getting stronger = more size
which is wrong
People also think keeping strenght = keeping size
which is also wrong

just trying to help, what's the problem?  ???

Your omnipresence is a bit....disturbing....
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Ursus on May 01, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
I have never dieted in my life.

But friends who have suffered a small drop in pressing strength
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 02:47:27 PM
I have never dieted in my life.

But friends who have suffered a small drop in pressing strength

You should diet goudy...you would look great.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: wavelength on May 01, 2009, 02:50:04 PM
You should diet goudy...you would look great.

x2
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Ursus on May 01, 2009, 02:52:07 PM
haha cheers i was 235 today in socks and boxers.

I think eating everthing in site is helping my injury. almost non existant atm whioch is great
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 02:53:39 PM
haha cheers i was 235 today in socks and boxers.

I think eating everthing in site is helping my injury. almost non existant atm whioch is great

Yeah, I guess if I had your genetics I wouldn't care much about dieting either.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: wavelength on May 01, 2009, 03:00:56 PM
haha cheers i was 235 today in socks and boxers.

I think eating everthing in site is helping my injury. almost non existant atm whioch is great

Great news!
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Ursus on May 01, 2009, 03:02:39 PM
i wish i cud get as lean as you wavelength without trying lol
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 01, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
i wish i cud get as lean as you wavelength without trying lol

Seriously, with your genetics you wouldn't have to try much. I mean, let's face it, your diet is crap...all you would need to do would be to change it a bit and you get ripped; you are a genetic beast in the prime of your life=should be easy.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: wavelength on May 01, 2009, 03:06:04 PM
i wish i cud get as lean as you wavelength without trying lol

Here's how to do it: Keep protein the same and reduce total food intake.
If it wasn't as easy as that, I would have never made it. I'm the laziest slacker around.
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Ursus on May 01, 2009, 04:44:21 PM
ive started cleaning up my diet and training more

bought cashews lol
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: The Master on May 01, 2009, 07:19:38 PM
Jeg forstar igge...


Grammar correction: Jeg forstår ikke.

Grammar correction + sentence improvement: Jeg forstår ikke hva du mener.


 8)
Title: Re: When dieting, is shoulder stength the first thing to go?
Post by: Deicide on May 02, 2009, 02:14:06 AM

Grammar correction: Jeg forstår ikke.

Grammar correction + sentence improvement: Jeg forstår ikke hva du mener.


 8)

Don't have the characters on my computer but I did know the spelling and igge is Danish... ;D