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As gh15 says there is no way that someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 over 190 under 10% bf without being on hormones, but why do so many decide to lie about this???
Point and case.
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bc they want to be special
"He who screams natural loudest
is most guilty"
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why do they lie?
it's simple, drugs are illegal and all bodybuilders want people to admire them
a great physique that people think is built naturally will get more oohs and ahhs
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why do they lie?
it's simple, drugs are illegal and all bodybuilders want people to admire them
a great physique that people think is built naturally will get more oohs and ahhs
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but dont compete in "natural" shows if u arent natural.
and because its illegal, just take the fifth and dont mention it, its obvious if people are on drugs, dont deny it, ur just doing yourself an injustice.
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I lie about being "unnatural"
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why do track stars lie about taking "designer" roids?
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I lie about being "unnatural"
:D
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As gh15 says there is no way that someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 over 190 under 10% bf without being on hormones, but why do so many decide to lie about this???
Point and case.
If gh15 says it, it must be fact. ::)
I can get @5%bf 200lbs at 5' 7 1/2" with no drugs. I guess he's wrong.
The only reason for someone to lie about this, would be to profit financially. Or to get off on winning some pointless natural show?
The whole "he who screams loudest", is the funniest nonsense ever.
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dude looks great.
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If gh15 says it, it must be fact. ::)
I can get @5%bf 200lbs at 5' 7 1/2" with no drugs. I guess he's wrong.
The only reason for someone to lie about this, would be to profit financially. Or to get off on winning some pointless natural show?
The whole "he who screams loudest", is the funniest nonsense ever.
first of all friend,, you been on drugs and you still most likley on drugs if you ever seen the number 6% at anything remotely close to 200 lb at 5'7
you are out of your mind,,,with out drugs you would be the 5'7 you are 160lb at 10% and thats ! only if you really really watched what you ate and ate enough of it as in clean diet and enougth calories with that clean diet,,
so mr croach ,, you with no drugs = 160lb and if youre lilttle chunky lik ei suspect you have tendency to be then 175lb 5'7 13-15%
those ! are natural numbers my friend,,
in addition you never ever seen 5% naturally ,,,best naturals get down to 5 and a half% and stop right there,,,yes gh15 is talking about TRUE naturals not fellas like yourself WHICH ARE HORMONIZED! BEEN HORMONIZED AND FOR EVER SHALL BE HORMONIZED
your genetics ? average at best and i give you a compliment here because we both know it is sub average structure wize,,youre very short ,,short is not good never was good and wil never be good in genetic department
and thats the truth !
gh15 approved
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by the way just to add to the last posting,,
to be 200+ at 5'7 at 4% THE BODYBUILDER HAS TO USE GROWTH HORMONE,,ths is something i have not said until now,,,
aas by itself will never get 5'7 to 200+ at 4%
true 4% that is
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i think he admitted using ephedrine to cut
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As gh15 says there is no way that someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 over 190 under 10% bf without being on hormones, but why do so many decide to lie about this???
Point and case.
great natural in the pic!
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jealousy is a bitch aint it gh15.
you make me laugh, glad to have you here
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i have conversed with jrod via email.
he's a nice guy and has a great physique.
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i believe he is natural, look how skinny his neck is and no face bloat or big waist.
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i believe he is natural, look how skinny his neck is and no face bloat or big waist.
lol, i wouldn't doubt him either looking at his face or neck....
His quads are insane though...
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If gh15 says it, it must be fact. ::)
I can get @5%bf 200lbs at 5' 7 1/2" with no drugs. I guess he's wrong.
The only reason for someone to lie about this, would be to profit financially. Or to get off on winning some pointless natural show?
The whole "he who screams loudest", is the funniest nonsense ever.
Sure you can. ::)
What a clown.
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i believe he is natural, look how skinny his neck is and no face bloat or big waist.
maybe he likes water-based drugs.
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maybe he likes water-based drugs.
Winstrol, Drostolon, Tren...the last one is so androgenic it flushes water out like nothing else...
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Winstrol, Drostolon, Tren...the last one is so androgenic it flushes water out like nothing else...
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???
Are you going to start stalking me now?
Look, for the record, I have no issues with you (apart from your strange religious fixation), seem like a nice guy. Why don't we just shake hands and drop this. Life goes on, ok?
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i believe he is natural, look how skinny his neck is and no face bloat or big waist.
Look at Arod, Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, and a host of other athletes. Even cyclist gets busted for using test. None look like BBers. Think of all the guys you know that juice but don't look it. No face bloat? It was sometimes mentioned that one of the reasons Padilla didn't win in '81 was that he looked too drawn. His body was perfect but since his face looked so hollow and sunken in that it detracted from his entire flawless physique. And I don't know what neck size or a big waist has to do with anabolic use.
It's not always that easy to tell who is on the sauce since they don't look like anything special. Jrod looks special. I'd be interested to see what's in his fridge, closet and medicine cabinet.
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Look at Arod, Barry Bonds, Marion Jones, and a host of other athletes. Even cyclist gets busted for using test. None look like BBers. Think of all the guys you know that juice but don't look it. No face bloat? It was sometimes mentioned that one of the reasons Padilla didn't win in '81 was that he looked too drawn. His body was perfect but since his face looked so hollow and sunken in that it detracted from his entire flawless physique. And I don't know what neck size or a big waist has to do with anabolic use.
It's not always that easy to tell who is on the sauce since they don't look like anything special. Jrod looks special. I'd be interested to see what's in his fridge, closet and medicine cabinet.
Good point with the cyclists...
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Are you going to start stalking me now?
Look, for the record, I have no issues with you (apart from your strange religious fixation), seem like a nice guy. Why don't we just shake hands and drop this. Life goes on, ok?
the only issue i have with you is your constant attack of islam and the muslims on here. If you gave them a chance perhaps you would realise they are nice guys too.
but i will refrain from going on about it.
i hope you see sense.
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the only issue i have with you is your constant attack of islam and the muslims on here. If you gave them a chance perhaps you would realise they are nice guys too.
but i will refrain from going on about it.
i hope you see sense.
There are many cool muslims, but their belief system in itself is crap from a to z. It deserves as much criticism as possible.
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There are many cool muslims, but their belief system in itself is crap from a to z. It deserves as much criticism as possible.
Not natural
gh15 approved
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There are many cool muslims, but their belief system in itself is crap from a to z. It deserves as much criticism as possible.
i disagree. There may be some bad people who have practiced islam, just as there are bad people who practice all religions.
I feel you may be stereotyping islam because of the few.
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first of all friend,, you been on drugs and you still most likley on drugs if you ever seen the number 6% at anything remotely close to 200 lb at 5'7
you are out of your mind,,,with out drugs you would be the 5'7 you are 160lb at 10% and thats ! only if you really really watched what you ate and ate enough of it as in clean diet and enougth calories with that clean diet,,
so mr croach ,, you with no drugs = 160lb and if youre lilttle chunky lik ei suspect you have tendency to be then 175lb 5'7 13-15%
those ! are natural numbers my friend,,
in addition you never ever seen 5% naturally ,,,best naturals get down to 5 and a half% and stop right there,,,yes gh15 is talking about TRUE naturals not fellas like yourself WHICH ARE HORMONIZED! BEEN HORMONIZED AND FOR EVER SHALL BE HORMONIZED
your genetics ? average at best and i give you a compliment here because we both know it is sub average structure wize,,youre very short ,,short is not good never was good and wil never be good in genetic department
and thats the truth !
gh15 approved
No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
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i disagree. There may be some bad people who have practiced islam, just as there are bad people who practice all religions.
I feel you may be stereotyping islam because of the few.
How do you feel about the fact that roughly 40% of all the muslims in the UK wants to implement sharia law?
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i disagree. There may be some bad people who have practiced islam, just as there are bad people who practice all religions.
I feel you may be stereotyping islam because of the few.
You are entitled to your opinion, yet if you look into what is being preached and how difficult it is to interpret the Koran "peacefully", then it = hard to see the religion in a positive light.
The problem = the belief system itself.
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
Is this gh15 approved?
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
hahahhahaha @ 7% in that pic
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
You are a liar like your friend GetItOnNY. Hell, he probably sold you some of his "natural pro-steroids".
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As gh15 says there is no way that someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 over 190 under 10% bf without being on hormones, but why do so many decide to lie about this???
Point and case.
its the adrenaline rush you get from lying ::)
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How do you feel about the fact that roughly 40% of all the muslims in the UK wants to implement sharia law?
its understandable. Our law system is a joke.
some countries allow sex with 14 year olds, some allows marrige to cousins, some will put you in jail for spitting out chewing gum etc etc - who's to say which is right and wrong.
No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
croatch, what is your workout and diet philosophy/details ?
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
remember friend,,you show picture isolated in time frame of unknown circumstances,,pictures are illusions to begin with ,,now since i am professional and dealt with it long time i can tell you many things about you ,,
number 1. you are a liar
number 2. in this picture you are 6-7 % true at around 195-200 lb in am but! you been on hormones,,this phsyqi had testosterone in it and good cycles of anabolic steroids,,trust me friend ,,this is average gym rat phsyiqe ,,,the thickness you bring is from hormonization ,,the delt pec connection has the thickness that median level hormonization brings as in mg not grams but still hormoization in process,,
you may not have used gh but you are very femiliar with aas,,you have used them ,,you still using them,,and with out it you are 165-170 with a lot more than 6% bodyfat ,,as i said before you are the type of physiqe that would be 175 lb 10-12% naturally,,nothing more and nothing less
3. kyomi did do one cycle of aas his own admitance,,he has been clean since and it showes,,he is a LOT less thick than you and a lot smaller than you ,,why? because youre a liar and an hormonized gym rat
dismissed
gh15 approved
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Is this gh15 approved?
no the fella in the picture is 195lb at 6% not 7 but knows hormones lik ehe knows his right hand
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no the fella in the picture is 195lb at 6% not 7 but knows hormones lik ehe knows his right hand
I feel relieved. gh15 approval makes my day. :)
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its understandable. Our law system is a joke.
some countries allow sex with 14 year olds, some allows marrige to cousins, some will put you in jail for spitting out chewing gum etc etc - who's to say which is right and wrong.
croatch, what is your workout and diet philosophy/details ?
his phylosophy is to lie about hormone use ,,,and to impress girls,,,and to wear shirts with arrogant sayings ,,very similar to 1000s of customers around usa
very very very fake guys,,they are the first to run out when something bad happens to someone ,,first to sutck a kife in someones back,,first to leave the scene ,, etc etc
gh15 approved
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hahahhahaha @ 7% in that pic
beat me to it.
he looks good in the pic though, but that's not 7%.
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doesn't look anywhere close to 7%
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doesn't look anywhere close to 7%
Your penis is 7 cm.
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his phylosophy is to lie about hormone use ,,,and to impress girls,,,and to wear shirts with arrogant sayings ,,very similar to 1000s of customers around usa
very very very fake guys,,they are the first to run out when something bad happens to someone ,,first to sutck a kife in someones back,,first to leave the scene ,, etc etc
gh15 approved
insecurity issues, it's worse than the swine flu.
Your penis is 7 cm.
lol
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Your penis is 7 cm.
Duck promised me not to tell :'(
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doesn't look anywhere close to 7%
it is 6% with water held on phsyqe due to hormone usage,,about 6.5-6.75 %
water held due to aas usage ,,,,he pees it all the moment he go off for 5 days and you see the 6% shines at 190lb
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Duck promised me not to tell :'(
How did you even get past that flabsheet she calls her outer labia with the 7 cm? :o
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his phylosophy is to lie about hormone use ,,,and to impress girls,,,and to wear shirts with arrogant sayings ,,very similar to 1000s of customers around usa
very very very fake guys,,they are the first to run out when something bad happens to someone ,,first to sutck a kife in someones back,,first to leave the scene ,, etc etc
gh15 approved
i don't believe he is natural for 1 second, but i'd like to hear what workout routine he uses and what sort of diet he claims gets him a physique like that.
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I lied too to my friends when i started using steroids, i know what these "natural claimers" are thinking because i though the same too, to seem "special".... but now i dont have a problem admiting it.
Go past your insecurities and admit it. its no big deal. you fool yourself.
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it is 6% with water held on phsyqe due to hormone usage,,about 6.5-6.75 %
water held due to aas usage ,,,,he pees it all the moment he go off for 5 days and you see the 6% shines at 190lb
His nipples look kind of puffy...no?
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
is that gyno natural too?
clown,,,, ::)
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its understandable. Our law system is a joke.
LMAO you're beyond reasoning. Just because you think the current laws are not satisfactory you think it's justified to implements laws that would revert the UK back in to medieval ages?
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LMAO you're beyond reasoning. Just because you think the current laws are not satisfactory you think it's justified to implements laws that would revert the UK back in to medieval ages?
3% of the UK population = muslims, yet they've managed to get the remaining 97% to hate their guts.
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3% of the UK population = muslims, yet they've managed to get the remaining 97% to hate their guts.
But they are all good guys! There's only a few that blow themselves up in commuter buses and kindergartens, the rest just shuts the fuck up and says nothing!
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How did you even get past that flabsheet she calls her outer labia with the 7 cm? :o
I used the length not the width
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But they are all good guys! There's only a few that blow themselves up in commuter buses and kindergartens, the rest just shuts the fuck up and says nothing!
irrelevant for body composition
wavelength approved
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But they are all good guys! There's only a few that blow themselves up in commuter buses and kindergartens, the rest just shuts the fuck up and says nothing!
Yes, these people are marvellous ;D Great future oriented belief system, amazingly peaceful and noncriminal followers and they all have great respect for the physical well being of women 8)
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I used the length not the width
Also irrelevant for body composition
wavelength approved
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I used the length not the width
Duck has her own tricks, so you were probably fine.
Did you enjoy it when she used her strap-on? 8)
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I lied too to my friends when i started using steroids, i know what these "natural claimers" are thinking because i though the same too, to seem "special".... but now i dont have a problem admiting it.
Go past your insecurities and admit it. its no big deal. you fool yourself.
the point is, a few serious people you can tell but most people would disrespect your discipline on your work ethic when you would be honest about it. "then i can be like you too if i took steroids ha ha ha" and stuff like that. they just wouldnt understand, so keep them ignorant and tell them its all protein shakes (which they consider steroids as well)
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LMAO you're beyond reasoning. Just because you think the current laws are not satisfactory you think it's justified to implements laws that would revert the UK back in to medieval ages?
brutal having no clue about sharia law ::)
yes all places like dubai which uses sharia law are stuck in the middle ages ::)
(http://makkah.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/burj_dubai_b.jpg)
(http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/sites/country/img/20380_dubai_towers.jpg)
(http://blog.vcu.edu/abroad/dubai.jpg)
(http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/1220_021109_dubai-cro0003_final_ppp.jpg)
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brutal having no clue about sharia law ::)
yes all places like dubai which uses sharia law are stuck in the middle ages ::)
(http://makkah.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/burj_dubai_b.jpg)
(http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/sites/country/img/20380_dubai_towers.jpg)
(http://blog.vcu.edu/abroad/dubai.jpg)
(http://www.dezeen.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/1220_021109_dubai-cro0003_final_ppp.jpg)
Without the oil those fuckers would still be in the 1700s.
Ops, on most levels they are ;D
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the more sophisticated middle east countries handle a more stripped version of sharia though.
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the more sophisticated middle east countries handle a more stripped version of sharia though.
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brutal having no clue about sharia law ::)
yes all places like dubai which uses sharia law are stuck in the middle ages ::)
Haha you really are stupid. 99% of the money invested in Dubai comes from oil which they happened to be lucky enough to posses. Why don't you and your presumed girlfriend go to Dubai and try to walk around like normal people and kiss each other at the local cafeteria and lets see what happens.
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Without the oil those fuckers would still be in the 1700s.
Ops, on most levels they are ;D
the more sophisticated middle east countries handle a more stripped version of sharia though.
King Abdullah Economic City, on the Red Sea. It is one of six new cities planned by Saudi Arabia as it works to diversify its economy beyond oil exports.
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/20/business/20ssaudi.xlarge1.jpg)
you were saying ? ::)
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Haha you really are stupid. 99% of the money invested in Dubai comes from oil which they happened to be lucky enough to posses. Why don't you and your presumed girlfriend go to Dubai and try to walk around like normal people and kiss each other at the local cafeteria and lets see what happens.
??? what does oil have to do with your claim sharia makes countries revert back to the middle ages ?
your argument has fell apart, like your reputation here i'm afraid.
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King Abdullah Economic City, on the Red Sea. It is one of six new cities planned by Saudi Arabia as it works to diversify its economy beyond oil exports.
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/20/business/20ssaudi.xlarge1.jpg)
you were saying ? ::)
What are you saying? This = not helping you say much positive about sharia law. These diversifying efforts = made possible with the oil money.
The sharia law = medevil crap.
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His nipples look kind of puffy...no?
my nipples are puffy from years of being fat, if I posted a pic you would think that I have mild gyno. Plus my nipple area is a large circle. I hold my weight in my gut and mid section. This is not a comment about Croatch but more about puffy nipples.
I wonder if I got down to less than 12% BF if they would still be puffy?
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What are you saying? This = not helping you say much positive about sharia law. These diversifying efforts = made possible with the oil money.
The sharia law = medevil crap.
please explain to me how having oil money stops a country being ' middle aged' ::)
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my nipples are puffy from years of being fat, if I posted a pic you would think that I have mild gyno. Plus my nipple area is a large circle. I hold my weight in my gut and mid section. This is not a comment about Croatch but more about puffy nipples.
I wonder if I got down to less than 12% BF if they would still be puffy?
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wavelength approved
You own bitches with your big cock! 8)
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??? what does oil have to do with your claim sharia makes countries revert back to the middle ages ?
your argument has fell apart, like your reputation here i'm afraid.
Infrastructure/economics and social politics/culture are two very different things.
You tried to refute my argument that sharia laws are medieval by posting a bunch of Dubai pics and I say that those buildings wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the oil money. Take away the oil and that place would still be a desert.
And just because that place happens to be cool architecture wise doesn't mean it cares about human rights. Try being a woman and live down there, or why not a homosexual.
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Duck has her own tricks, so you were probably fine.
Did you enjoy it when she used her strap-on? 8)
can't remember that part ;D
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the point is, a few serious people you can tell but most people would disrespect your discipline on your work ethic when you would be honest about it. "then i can be like you too if i took steroids ha ha ha" and stuff like that. they just wouldnt understand, so keep them ignorant and tell them its all protein shakes (which they consider steroids as well)
Yes i understand Mars, i try to avoid it sometimes...with humor, other with what you said and stuff like that.
I get angry sometimes when they come to me and ssay "dude what do you take now"? without even knowing me, just a "hi" in the gym. >:(
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Haha you really are stupid. 99% of the money invested in Dubai comes from oil which they happened to be lucky enough to posses. Why don't you and your presumed girlfriend go to Dubai and try to walk around like normal people and kiss each other at the local cafeteria and lets see what happens.
spot on.
Or you could try to go into a restaurant with your gf. Mission Impossible.
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please explain to me how having oil money stops a country being ' middle aged' ::)
Because their whole production revolves around oil. Muslim countries without oil in general = doing very poorly in science and production and this can not be attributed just to "other factors".
And more importantly: if you look at what the sharia law says, it is a medevil useless construct that = outdated long time ago. If you really think it = useable, then move to "KSA" and enjoy yourself. 8)
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As gh15 says there is no way that someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 over 190 under 10% bf without being on hormones, but why do so many decide to lie about this???
Point and case.
If he is 5"8 he isn't anything close to 190 in that photo.
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Irrelevant for body composition
wavelength approved
You own bitches with your big cock! 8)
this is true, but puffy nipples detract from the front naked pics..but once they see my cock size they are truly impressed.
I wonder if I would be GH approved if I posted a pic?
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If he is 5"8 he isn't anything close to 190 in that photo.
wavelength and gh15 approved
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Infrastructure/economics and social politics/culture are two very different things.
You tried to refute my argument that sharia laws are medieval by posting a bunch of Dubai pics and I say that those buildings wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the oil money. Take away the oil and that place would still be a desert.
And just because that place happens to be cool architecture wise doesn't mean it cares about human rights. Try being a woman and live down there, or why not a homosexual.
you didn't say sharia laws are midieval you said it would revert the uk to the middle ages. ::)
however even if you take away the oil money yes it would have slightly more desert, but how does that make a country midieval?
arizona, new mexico, nevada all are covered by large expanses of desert - would you call them midieval ?
as for human rights, lots of westerners live and work in dubai quite happily, how do you explain this?
also can you explain to me how the uk would decend into a midieval society by the implementation of sharia law ?
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you didn't say sharia laws are midieval you said it would revert the uk to the middle ages. ::)
however even if you take away the oil money yes it would have slightly more desert, but how does that make a country midieval?
arizona, new mexico, nevada all are covered by large expanses of desert - would you call them midieval ?
as for human rights, lots of westerners live and work in dubai quite happily, how do you explain this?
also can you explain to me how the uk would decend into a midieval society by the implementation of sharia law ?
Do I honestly need to bother with this? I'm not trying to cop out here, I'm just curios if this is a joke or not?
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you didn't say sharia laws are midieval you said it would revert the uk to the middle ages. ::)
however even if you take away the oil money yes it would have slightly more desert, but how does that make a country midieval?
arizona, new mexico, nevada all are covered by large expanses of desert - would you call them midieval ?
as for human rights, lots of westerners live and work in dubai quite happily, how do you explain this?
also can you explain to me how the uk would decend into a midieval society by the implementation of sharia law ?
most of time the westerners get treated much better then their own citizens. if they want to have their beach where their women can sunbath in bikini they can have it, they just make a privat beach for them.
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Because their whole production revolves around oil. Muslim countries without oil in general = doing very poorly in science and production and this can not be attributed just to "other factors".
And more importantly: if you look at what the sharia law says, it is a medevil useless construct that = outdated long time ago. If you really think it = useable, then move to "KSA" and enjoy yourself. 8)
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Every major industrial country in the world revolves around oil. If the oil dried up, every country would suffer.
you are also making assumptions about sharia that are groundless.
Do I honestly need to bother with this? I'm not trying to cop out here, I'm just curios if this is a joke or not?
no you need not bother, you clearly have an irrational hatred for something you do not know enough about. i understand it will just be more of the same if you continue.
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Every major industrial country in the world revolves around oil. If the oil dried up, every country would suffer.
you are also making assumptions about sharia that are groundless.
Your first sentence really makes no sense in the context we are discussing. Either you are playing stupid as a hoax, or your brain = fried.
The assumptions about sharia = not groundless.
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Your first sentence really makes no sense in the context we are discussing. Either you are playing stupid as a hoax, or your brain = fried.
The assumptions about sharia = not groundless.
how is it not in context ? perhaps you should re-read what you claimed then re-read my post.
its very clear if oil dried up every country will suffer - not only islamic countries.
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how is it not in context ? perhaps you should re-read what you claimed then re-read my post.
its very clear if oil dried up every country will suffer - not only islamic countries.
Debussey said that the muslim countries that do not have oil production = doing very poorly, and if the oil-rich muslim countries had not had the oil in the first place, it = very likely that they'd suffer the same destiny as well. The argument had nothing to do with what would happen if the oil dried up. They.simply.do.not.produ ce.much(besides oil which requires mainly pumping it up and cashing in).nor.do.they.give.the.wo rld.much.innovation.and. this.is.closely.tied.to. their.religion.
Debussey = saying that a society infested with islam = not very positive to progress, especially in science (which has been seen early in christianity as well, up until the scientific revolution). They base their whole understanding of reality on an irrational dogma instead of seeking new and improved ways of seeing the world. Not surprisingly, they are lagging behind in science, ethics and so on.
The avg. spendage on R&D in muslim countries is less than 0,2% of the GDP, while being 4%+ or something in the west. (not completely sure about the exacts, but this is close). This can not be attributed only "poorness" of certain countries.
And at the same time: Basing a law system upon a religious dogma like Islam = a huge way backwards for the west. A system like this = progress frozen.
Sharia law = not a law based upon debate and common sense. It = based on a fairytale religion (and it clearly shows), and Islam = supposed to be "perfect" and changing the laws = not possible. When the sharia law in itself = moronic, how = it useful to implement it?
Too tired to discuss this now, will write something more coherent after some sleep 8) :-*
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Debussey said that the muslim countries that do not have oil production = doing very poorly, and if the oil-rich muslim countries had not had the oil in the first place, it = very likely that they'd suffer the same destiny as well. The argument had nothing to do with what would happen if the oil dried up. They.simply.do.not.produ ce.much(besides oil which requires mainly pumping it up and cashing in).nor.do.they.give.the.wo rld.much.innovation.and. this.is.closely.tied.to. their.religion.
Debussey = saying that a society infested with islam = not very positive to progress, especially in science (which has been seen early in christianity as well, up until the scientific revolution). They base their whole understanding of reality on an irrational dogma instead of seeking new and improved ways of seeing the world. Not surprisingly, they are lagging behind in science, ethics and so on.
The avg. spendage on R&D in muslim countries is less than 0,2% of the GDP, while being 4%+ or something in the west. (not completely sure about the exacts, but this is close).
And at the same time: Basing a law system upon a religious dogma like Islam = a huge way backwards for the west.
Too tired to discuss this now, will write something more coherent after some sleep 8) :-*
Debussey's whole point is that most muslim countries
Yes i see what you mean now. However it is normal for a country to rely on an abundant revenue source like oil though, any country would be the same and neglect other areas.
Also as i pointed out in my earlier thread saudi is now looking to diversify as are other countries in the region now they know the oil will run out.
The other r&d areas you talk about from the west have only really been going on since after WW2 - and they didn't have oil to rely on for revenue like the middle eastern countries. If they did they would be behind in other areas too.
Look at china and india, they were behind the rest of the world too, and within the past 10 years they are now the fastest growing economies in the world and are leading the way in many areas of research. They did not/do not have the revenue from oil sales.
i predict the middle eastern countries will be on equal footing, if not leading fields in other areas within 10-20 year at the most.
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Yes i see what you mean now. However it is normal for a country to rely on an abundant revenue source like oil though, any country would be the same and neglect other areas.
Also as i pointed out in my earlier thread saudi is now looking to diversify as are other countries in the region now they know the oil will run out.
The other r&d areas you talk about from the west have only really been going on since after WW2 - and they didn't have oil to rely on for revenue like the middle eastern countries. If they did they would be behind in other areas too.
Look at china and india, they were behind the rest of the world too, and within the past 10 years they are now the fastest growing economies in the world and are leading the way in many areas of research. They did not/do not have the revenue from oil sales.
i predict the middle eastern countries will be on equal footing, if not leading fields in other areas within 10-20 year at the most.
Please update your post to reflect the changes Debussey made to its post.
Hopefully they will be, but it = highly unlikely. Egypt has in many ways become much more religious the last 30 years, and many smart Egypt people = losing hope that science and modernity = coming back to "western levels" in the next decades. This is a trend seen in many of these countries. Perhaps the internet will change it.
Please discuss this further with Nordic Superman, Debussey.needs.sleep. 8)
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Steroid users will alway lie about their usage. Why? Because they are ashamed of how they attained their look.
Whatever way you look at it, they are drug abusers...drug addicts....and that is nothing to be proud of nor be gloating about!
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this is true, but puffy nipples detract from the front naked pics..but once they see my cock size they are truly impressed.
I wonder if I would be GH approved if I posted a pic?
Go for it...everyone is eventually outed and slammed on getbig...just a matter of time.
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you didn't say sharia laws are midieval you said it would revert the uk to the middle ages. ::)
Yes I believe they would given enough time. Not necessarily a full reversion but the social relationships/politics wouldn't be far from it. Just look at some of the modern islamic theocracies we currently have, like Iran for example.
however even if you take away the oil money yes it would have slightly more desert, but how does that make a country midieval?
arizona, new mexico, nevada all are covered by large expanses of desert - would you call them midieval ?
Slightly more desert?? Dubai would be nothing without the oil money, you're obviously ignorant on this issue.
as for human rights, lots of westerners live and work in dubai quite happily, how do you explain this?
also can you explain to me how the uk would decend into a midieval society by the implementation of sharia law ?
You're obviously ignorant about Sharia laws as well. Just here on getbig alone people have told their stories about how backwards Dubai really is. Some dude setting up a new gym in Dubai had to cover up the fitness girl on the packaging of a new treadmill before taking it outside or risk facing legal actions.
When you say most westerners I bet most of them are male.
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Yes I believe they would given enough time. Not necessarily a full reversion but the social relationships/politics wouldn't be far from it.
already you are changing your tune ::)
Slightly more desert?? Dubai would be nothing without the oil money, you're obviously ignorant on this issue.
::) and the places i stated ? how are they any different ?
You're obviously ignorant about Sharia laws as well. Just here on getbig alone people have told their stories about how backwards Dubai really is. Some dude setting up a new gym in Dubai had to cover up the fitness girl on the packaging of a new treadmill before taking it outside or risk facing legal actions.
:o those animals. god forbid we ever decend into such barbaric ways ::)
i know plenty of people who are offended at gratuitous pics - who are you to claim they are backward ?
When you say most westerners I bet most of them are male.
men and women live very happily there.
look you have issues with something that you do not have a real understanding in.
the fact remains that implementation of sharia law in the uk would not turn us midieval or send us back to the middle ages. It would make some things better and some things worse. Our current system isn't perfect either.
personally i would rather keep our current system rather than implement sharia, however i do not think it would be the end of the world if it were, and many things would certainly improve.
As for sharia holding back technology - i don't see how when everything we have in the west can be found in the middle east.
regardless of your feelings - millions are happy living under sharia law.
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thank you dk.
i have not forgotten the power of universal loving kindness, i am only trying to get these getbiggers to stop all the hate against islam and muslims.
we are all the same in the end, no matter what colour, religion, political beliefs etc
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thank you dk.
i have not forgotten the power of universal loving kindness, i am only trying to get these getbiggers to stop all the hate against islam and muslims.
we are all the same in the end, no matter what colour, religion, political beliefs etc
Try to teach that to the muslims. ;D ;D
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Try to teach that to the muslims. ;D ;D
fuck you bitch >:( >:(
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sorry.
i forgive you, i know in your heart lies a buddhist who understands.
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fuck you bitch >:( >:(
:( :-[
sorry.
i forgive you, i know in your heart lies a buddhist who understands.
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photoshop
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photoshop
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already you are changing your tune ::)
Changing my tune? Well to say that sharia would make UK exactly like it was in the middle ages is a bit foolish, the issues I'm referring to are about social relationships and politics. Obviously other things may stay the same although I doubt they will progress the way they have without Sharia influence.
::) and the places i stated ? how are they any different ?
Dubai is right next to the sea and started out as a small fisherman's town and it would pretty much have stayed the same without the oil money. There has been no reason to populate the inland deserts in america except for places such Las Vegas where a special interest made it possible to do so. Your argument is stupid, it's like saying a banana is yellow because a grapefruit is orange.
:o those animals. god forbid we ever decend into such barbaric ways ::)
The example I chose is obviously a bit mild but it's a GREAT indicator of the kind of society the UAE really is. The way women(and men in some cases) are treated is in fact barbaric and backwards. As I've said, why don't you and your presumed girlfriend go down there and have a honeymoon or is that too much to ask of anyone to tolerate?
i know plenty of people who are offended at gratuitous pics - who are you to claim they are backward ?
I'm not a cultural relativist and I do think certain cultures are better than others. Islam is close to the bottom of my list. You see here in europe you CAN show whatever gross or offending image you'd like without barbaric repercussions. Oh wait, the danish cartoons spurred a wave of violence in muslims all over the world, nevermind.
personally i would rather keep our current system rather than implement sharia, however i do not think it would be the end of the world if it were, and many things would certainly improve.
As for sharia holding back technology - i don't see how when everything we have in the west can be found in the middle east.
regardless of your feelings - millions are happy living under sharia law.
Like what? Give specific examples.
And for western technology being in the middle east oh please, are you really that stupid? 99,99% of all those inventions comes from a westernized europe, america and asian. Islamic nations are pathetic in scientific advancements. They just happen to have the money in some places to benefit from the western inventions.
And I love it when blindfolded religious apologists go around and say that everyone criticizing a religion are ignorant, fuckin hypocrites.
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Rodriguez=natural, imo.
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Changing my tune? Well to say that sharia would make UK exactly like it was in the middle ages is a bit foolish, the issues I'm referring to are about social relationships and politics. Obviously other things may stay the same although I doubt they will progress the way they have without Sharia influence.
thats better - some sense at last.
Dubai is right next to the sea and started out as a small fisherman's town and it would pretty much have stayed the same without the oil money. There has been no reason to populate the inland deserts in america except for places such Las Vegas where a special interest made it possible to do so. Your argument is stupid, it's like saying a banana is yellow because a grapefruit is orange.
this sticks of stupidity of the highest order. think before you post.
The example I chose is obviously a bit mild but it's a GREAT indicator of the kind of society the UAE really is. The way women(and men in some cases) are treated is in fact barbaric and backwards. As I've said, why don't you and your presumed girlfriend go down there and have a honeymoon or is that too much to ask of anyone to tolerate?
the UAE is ranked 31st in the human development program - higher than countries like portugal, czech republic, russia, poland to name but a few ::)
I'm not a cultural relativist and I do think certain cultures are better than others. Islam is close to the bottom of my list. You see here in europe you CAN show whatever gross or offending image you'd like without barbaric repercussions. Oh wait, the danish cartoons spurred a wave of violence in muslims all over the world, nevermind.
if i drew pictures of your mom fucking a goat and posted in in a national newspaper you'd be pretty pissed too. Those pictures insulted an entire religion, obviously people were pissed ::)
Like what? Give specific examples.
it's tougher on criminals, we'd have less murderers etc walking the streets.
And for western technology being in the middle east oh please, are you really that stupid? 99,99% of all those inventions comes from a westernized europe, america and asian. Islamic nations are pathetic in scientific advancements. They just happen to have the money in some places to benefit from the western inventions.
and ? read my earlier post. if they had no oil they too would we advanced in these areas - the fact you think otherwise shows your ignorance.
And I love it when blindfolded religious apologists go around and say that everyone criticizing a religion are ignorant, fuckin hypocrites.
if the cap fits ........................ ..
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this sticks of stupidity of the highest order. think before you post.
the UAE is ranked 31st in the human development program - higher than countries like portugal, czech republic, russia, poland to name but a few ::)
if i drew pictures of your mom fucking a goat and posted in in a national newspaper you'd be pretty pissed too. Those pictures insulted an entire religion, obviously people were pissed ::)
it's tougher on criminals, we'd have less murderers etc walking the streets.
and ? read my earlier post. if they had no oil they too would we advanced in these areas - the fact you think otherwise shows your ignorance.
if the cap fits ........................ ..
Ugh, you're hopeless.
Ok tell me how Dubai would have evolved so much without the oil money, please do.
What was the criteria for the Human dev. program? Human rights and equal treatment for all genders and sexualities?
The violence spurred by the danish cartoons showed us yet again how fuckin stupid and dangerous Islam can be. You do know that most of these violent sprees and threats were initiated with false propaganda egged on by sharia nuthugging imams? It goes to show you that how easily that the power of authority islam claims to have can turn moderate muslims into butthurt rioting monkeys without questioning.
I honestly can't see how ordinary europeans can start rioting over a fucking cartoon, I really can't.
The punishment vs. crime issue, it's obvious that you're ignorant there as well. It has been shown over and over again that a harsher punishment does not prevent crime, it has everything to do with culture, economics and social infrastructure.
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
Damn great mass with condition.
You surely have potential to kick some juicers in the contest.
P.S. Hoiw is the sales of the mostmakers? ;D Did you make new commercial crip? ;D
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Rodriguez=natural, imo.
Im sorry, you must have the wrong thread.
This is the sharia laws & Dubai thread.
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Im sorry, you must have the wrong thread.
This is the sharia laws & Dubai thread.
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Looks natural to me.
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remember friend,,you show picture isolated in time frame of unknown circumstances,,pictures are illusions to begin with ,,now since i am professional and dealt with it long time i can tell you many things about you ,,
number 1. you are a liar
number 2. in this picture you are 6-7 % true at around 195-200 lb in am but! you been on hormones,,this phsyqi had testosterone in it and good cycles of anabolic steroids,,trust me friend ,,this is average gym rat phsyiqe ,,,the thickness you bring is from hormonization ,,the delt pec connection has the thickness that median level hormonization brings as in mg not grams but still hormoization in process,,
you may not have used gh but you are very femiliar with aas,,you have used them ,,you still using them,,and with out it you are 165-170 with a lot more than 6% bodyfat ,,as i said before you are the type of physiqe that would be 175 lb 10-12% naturally,,nothing more and nothing less
3. kyomi did do one cycle of aas his own admitance,,he has been clean since and it showes,,he is a LOT less thick than you and a lot smaller than you ,,why? because youre a liar and an hormonized gym rat
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Oh yes. A lot thin?
Your prejudice toward asians are pathetic. I saw some asian natural monsters in my life. And you dont know them.
And my cycle was 1993.
And you still think i am lot smaller?(No pump at all in this pic)
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Oh yes. A lot thin?
Your prejudice toward asians are pathetic. I saw some asian natural monsters in my life. And you dont know them.
And my cycle was 1993.
And you still think i am lot smaller?(No pump at all in this pic)
Is that Jay behind you?
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Is that Jay behind you?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Is that Jay behind you?
I look more aesthetic than him there! 8)
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Looks natural to me.
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And here I thought I was the only one that cooked in the shower.
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And here I thought I was the only one that cooked in the shower.
He spends all his money on food, that's why he lives in a single room apartment. He eats, washes, trains and sleeps there.
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He spends all his money on food, that's why he lives in a single room apartment. He eats, washes, trains and sleeps there.
If he really does that, he can be my teacher of life. 8)
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If he really does that, he can be my teacher of life. 8)
;D ;D
Cuts the rent.
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If gh15 says it, it must be fact. ::)
I can get @5%bf 200lbs at 5' 7 1/2" with no drugs. I guess he's wrong.
The only reason for someone to lie about this, would be to profit financially. Or to get off on winning some pointless natural show?
The whole "he who screams loudest", is the funniest nonsense ever.
you are on drugs
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you didn't say sharia laws are midieval you said it would revert the uk to the middle ages. ::)
however even if you take away the oil money yes it would have slightly more desert, but how does that make a country midieval?
arizona, new mexico, nevada all are covered by large expanses of desert - would you call them midieval ?
as for human rights, lots of westerners live and work in dubai quite happily, how do you explain this?
also can you explain to me how the uk would decend into a midieval society by the implementation of sharia law ?
You take away the oil and the middle east is a poverty stricken shithole.
and nice CGI pics........ do any of those buildings actually exist?
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Try to teach that to the muslims. ;D ;D
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i have personally witnessed couples kissing in Dubai, i have seen with my own sexy two eyes women dressed up like whores walking in dubai's malls and no one ever says anything. if you plan to go to a beach, you will see women in bikinis, and that's not private beaches that I'm talking about.
did you know that in Dubai if you are caught horrasing a female you get fined 5000dhs wich is about 1300$. you guys have to wake up, women are getting every right there is, i sometimes feel that women surpass men in some "rights" in life.
and the same goes to some of the Arab countries. you will only have problems with an issue like the mentioned girl picture on a treadmill in Saudi Arabia, such an incident can NEVER happen anywhere but here.
Muslims have only evolved when they took the RIGHT teachings of Islam into action. they have been in a downfall ever since they stopped, all the wrong actions which you see in the media are from the wrong teachings. Muslims do not follow the same teaching, some are shia and they are divided into many imams, same goes for sunnis. if you ever hear in the news about Islam(mostly negative), you will know it's a Muslim but you will never know what he believes in, hence the stereotyping.
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You take away the oil and the middle east is a poverty stricken shithole.
and nice CGI pics........ do any of those buildings actually exist?
you can't take away the no.1 resource and wonder what will happen. we live in a dessert, you can not grow crops or do anything other than buy sheep and follow the herd. the western world has all the other natural resources that we don't have such as water(rain,lakes), trees, crops, and even flat land and good weather. take away everything we have which is only oil and let's see how you'll do with nothing as well.
here are some real pictures of Dubai:
(http://roundtableindia.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/dubai.jpg)
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you can't take away the no.1 resource and wonder what will happen. we live in a dessert, you can not grow crops or do anything other than buy sheep and follow the herd. the western world has all the other natural resources that we don't have such as water(rain,lakes), trees, crops, and even flat land and good weather. take away everything we have which is only oil and let's see how you'll do with nothing as well.
Sounds tasty...
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Sounds tasty...
you got me! :D
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Oh yes. A lot thin?
Your prejudice toward asians are pathetic. I saw some asian natural monsters in my life. And you dont know them.
And my cycle was 1993.
And you still think i am lot smaller?(No pump at all in this pic)
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Thanx. I saved it in the harddisc. ;)
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If gh15 says it, it must be fact. ::)
I can get @5%bf 200lbs at 5' 7 1/2" with no drugs. I guess he's wrong.
The only reason for someone to lie about this, would be to profit financially. Or to get off on winning some pointless natural show?
The whole "he who screams loudest", is the funniest nonsense ever.
I laugh at the lack of consistency in your arguments.
YOU believe that "the person who screams loudest" is a stupid argument.
Granted. I agree with.
But you also claim that people would lie for money and a trophy?
I disagree with you.
Why because YOU wouldn't? Because that's YOUR logic?
Some people will do some very slimy things--and some people would never.
Some people will be extremely honest and dedicated to what they want to do--some wouldn't.
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actually, kyomu's physique is extremely impressive for a nattie
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Oh yes. A lot thin?
Your prejudice toward asians are pathetic. I saw some asian natural monsters in my life. And you dont know them.
And my cycle was 1993.
And you still think i am lot smaller?(No pump at all in this pic)
looking good kyomy nice flow
monster quads...
looking real good thx for sharing
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Who is that person on the picture ? Is that "Shredded King"
Pretty darn good physique. Quads are very impressive. Judging by the abs,
big & blocky, I don't think he is natural....Does he claim to be ?
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you can't take away the no.1 resource and wonder what will happen. we live in a dessert, you can not grow crops or do anything other than buy sheep and follow the herd. the western world has all the other natural resources that we don't have such as water(rain,lakes), trees, crops, and even flat land and good weather. take away everything we have which is only oil and let's see how you'll do with nothing as well.
here are some real pictures of Dubai:
(http://roundtableindia.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/dubai.jpg)
(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2621/1wg7.jpg)
(http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2408/7sw7.jpg)
You seem to have a lot of yellow frogs in dubai, so much for your "natural resource" argument ;D
I see your point, what i'm saying is it is very, very good fortune to be sitting on top of the biggest supply of the world's most in demand commodity.
it would be pretty hard to fuck that up
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actually, kyomu's physique is extremely impressive for a nattie
Do you think that it is as impressive as the cognitive feat that he can recognise and write thousands of ideograms which have no phonemic content whatsoever?
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
looking good Croatch! :)
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Haha you don't do one fucking cycle 10 years ago and never do one again. Kyomu is full of shit.
I mean you guys wonder why guys lie about being natural? Look at the responses and ruckus they cause on these forums? Hell just look at this thread. It's already 6 pages and will probably go another 6. I mean fuck some of you are fucking naive. You have no clue just how many guys are on roids. Thousand and thousands of guys use steroids. Some have amazing physiques and some don't. I guess all the natural getbiggers who's physiques rival that of most steroid using bodybuilders trainer harder, train smarter, or have some other secret they use to attain the physique they have. LOL. People are liars. Guys lie to their fucking wives. Guys lie to their family. Bodybuilding is one of the most deceitful industries around. The entire industry is based on lies. How many of you guys even know half the dudes on here personally? Do you hang out with them? Train with them? Sleep with them, take a shit with them and are around them 24/7 enough to know they do or do not use anything? No you don't. The only thing any of us have to go on is their "word". And for the most part a man's word means shit in bodybuilding. Millions and millions of dollars raked in perpetuating the bullshit that is natural bodybuilding. There is never an honest answer from ANY natural bodybuilder. It's always oh well I did one cycle in 1993. LOL. Oh wait ok I did use a shit load of caffeine. Oh wait ok I did use prohormones at one time. ::) Used car salesman lie..........mortgage brokers lie........politicians lie.......but for some strange reason bodybuilding and bodybuilders are immune to this human phenomenon.
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Haha you don't do one fucking cycle 10 years ago and never do one again. Kyomu is full of shit.
I mean you guys wonder why guys lie about being natural? Look at the responses and ruckus they cause on these forums? Hell just look at this thread. It's already 6 pages and will probably go another 6. I mean fuck some of you are fucking naive. You have no clue just how many guys are on roids. Thousand and thousands of guys use steroids. Some have amazing physiques and some don't. I guess all the natural getbiggers who's physiques rival that of most steroid using bodybuilders trainer harder, train smarter, or have some other secret they use to attain the physique they have. LOL. People are liars. Guys lie to their fucking wives. Guys lie to their family. Bodybuilding is one of the most deceitful industries around. The entire industry is based on lies. How many of you guys even know half the dudes on here personally? Do you hang out with them? Train with them? Sleep with them, take a shit with them and are around them 24/7 enough to know they do or do not use anything? No you don't. The only thing any of us have to go on is their "word". And for the most part a man's word means shit in bodybuilding. Millions and millions of dollars raked in perpetuating the bullshit that is natural bodybuilding. There is never an honest answer from ANY natural bodybuilder. It's always oh well I did one cycle in 1993. LOL. Oh wait ok I did use a shit load of caffeine. Oh wait ok I did use prohormones at one time. ::) Used car salesman lie..........mortgage brokers lie........politicians lie.......but for some strange reason bodybuilding and bodybuilders are immune to this human phenomenon.
Are you saying that I am look like a juicer? :D
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
You and many other on this site and in general, are sad. Zero faith in their own genetics or that you can achieve pretty good results....naturally, or without drugs.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
If you subscribe to this clown gh15's postings, you accept mediocrity. I know firsthand, it's possible to put on 40lbs on your own. It's this typical mentality that surrounds fools who train at Gold's Gym...haha, pathetic.
Look at Kyomu...no drugs, good results. Another "genetic wonder". No, it's called heart and years of dedication. This is something most can NOT do, hence rampant drug use in gyms today.
Haha you are so full of shit.
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Do you think that it is as impressive as the cognitive feat that he can recognise and write thousands of ideograms which have no phonemic content whatsoever?
Yes because many can do that.
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Are you saying that I am look like a juicer? :D
You've used steroids before correct?
You're a competitor that obviously competes in natural shows. If the cat ever got out of the bag that you use steroids you're career and livelihood would be over. You have every reason to lie.
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Jrod is a great natty.
I want to see Jrod vs Meso vs Croatch vs Layne in a bb competition!
Who would win?
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looking good kyomy nice flow
monster quads...
looking real good thx for sharing
Once really i want a genetic monster like you to challenge the juicers contests.
Even a shitty genetic guy could built this physic.
So, Maybe you are THE ONE who makes our dream comes true...
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You've used steroids before correct?
1993. I was just a kid.
I did a weed at that year also. And never in my life too.
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1993. I was just a kid.
I did a weed at that year also. And never in my life too.
LOL. No one does one cycle and competes regularly in bodybuilding competitions never to do a cycle again.
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1993. I was just a kid.
I did a weed at that year also. And never in my life too.
Do you think Chris Faildo and Stan McQuay are natural? Do you think Jeff Willet is natural? Skip LaCour? LMAO!
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Yes because many can do that.
You and I can't...
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LOL. No one does one cycle and competes regularly in bodybuilding competitions never to do a cycle again.
Yes. No one except me.
The answer is simple. Simply I enjoy bbing more than juicing.
And I am not a pro with the stress.
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Do you think Chris Faildo and Stan McQuay are natural? Do you think Jeff Willet is natural? Skip LaCour? LMAO!
I dont know. And i dont care.
BBing is my hobby. Another people are totaly nothing to do with it.
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Do you think Chris Faildo and Stan McQuay are natural? Do you think Jeff Willet is natural? Skip LaCour? LMAO!
yes those are liers. but they have hidden agenda to sell their products etc..
jrod i don't see any hidden agenda.
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yes those are liers. but they have hidden agenda to sell their products etc..
jrod i don't see any hidden agenda.
Attention is as sought after as money. The desire to feel special and different than everyone else can be more envigorating and intoxicating than lots of money.
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I dont know. And i dont care.
BBing is my hobby. Another people are totaly nothing to do with it.
Screw these people; they don't know Kanji. You are the Kanji Master!
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Screw these people; they don't know Kanji. You are the Kanji Master!
You can be a master too my friend.
Just one by one. Its like memorizing faces. Cus kanjis are pictures
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Damn great mass with condition.
You surely have potential to kick some juicers in the contest.
P.S. Hoiw is the sales of the mostmakers? ;D Did you make new commercial crip? ;D
Unfortunately, I couldn't sell one Moaster Maker. FAIL. ;D
Gotta love getbig, so predictable. Before reading the thread I knew you'd hear "you've take gear/you're on something" "you're not 200lbs there" "you're not 7%bf"
What a sad group. ;) Somebody makes gains, they say how they made them, but of course, it CAN'T be true because most people's gains are....you guessed it GARBAGE naturally.
GH15 sounds like your typical lifetime juicer who could never attain much on his own, so if someone gains 40lbs on their own...it must be drugs.
Again, I'm not surprised here. It's pretty much the backbone of this site. If you couldn't achieve it....then this guy must be lying. ::)
If someone is 160lbs naturally, they're a swimmer. If a guy is 250lbs on drugs, he's all drugs. If someone is 200lbs naturally/with zero drugs, he's lying.
If you take pride in drug gains, you're simply a fool. ;) I apologize to those who can't do much naturally and need drugs to make it to the gym daily. Must be a good feeling. :-[
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Unfortunately, I couldn't sell one Moaster Maker. FAIL. ;D
Gotta love getbig, so predictable. Before reading the thread I knew you'd hear "you've take gear/you're on something" "you're not 200lbs there" "you're not 7%bf"
What a sad group. ;) Somebody makes gains, they say how they made them, but of course, it CAN'T be true because most people's gains are....you guessed it GARBAGE naturally.
GH15 sounds like your typical lifetime juicer who could never attain much on his own, so if someone gains 40lbs on their own...it must be drugs.
Again, I'm not surprised here. It's pretty much the backbone of this site. If you couldn't achieve it....then this guy must be lying. ::)
If someone is 160lbs naturally, they're a swimmer. If a guy is 250lbs on drugs, he's all drugs. If someone is 200lbs naturally/with zero drugs, he's lying.
If you take pride in drug gains, you're simply a fool. ;) I apologize to those who can't do much naturally and need drugs to make it to the gym daily. Must be a good feeling. :-[
Crotch...sounding a little mini-meltish here.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://cfs.tistory.com/attach/3834/1183188656.jpg)
falcon looking handsome here.
too bad he has lost his mind lately.
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falcon looking handsome here.
too bad he has lost his mind lately.
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Crotch...sounding a little mini-meltish here.
haha, I haven't heard that term yet.
I almost put meltdown at the end, but figured someone would do it for me.
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Oh yes. A lot thin?
Your prejudice toward asians are pathetic. I saw some asian natural monsters in my life. And you dont know them.
And my cycle was 1993.
And you still think i am lot smaller?(No pump at all in this pic)
smaller than croach! better muscle than croach !
whats so hard to understand? you have better muscle than him ,,more foundation ,,better maturity ,,more symetric more balance ,,but! hes bigger due to hormonization in process,,
not thinner,,,smaller and less thick,,but better which is weird because you havent used hormones in many years and he is a user,,which means his so called genetic is ...marvelous
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As gh15 says there is no way that someone who is 5'7 or 5'8 over 190 under 10% bf without being on hormones, but why do so many decide to lie about this???
Point and case.
Yes, it is possible to be 5'7 or 5'8 over 190 under 10% bf. without drugs.
8)
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Croatch is funny, big, and has backed up his claims.
He has vids, pics, etc. I.E....proof
This video still cracks me up!
The guy is pure genious.
Are you calling me gay?!
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smaller than croach! better muscle than croach !
whats so hard to understand? you have better muscle than him ,,more foundation ,,better maturity ,,more symetric more balance ,,but! hes bigger due to hormonization in process,,
not thinner,,,smaller and less thick,,but better which is weird because you havent used hormones in many years and he is a user,,which means his so called genetic is ...marvelous
Better maturity, foundation, symmetry?
Man, you really just type to type and have no basis for your comments. I've been lifting for 17 years, 15 years ago I tried one 2 month cycle, then over 7 years later....went from 150lbs to over 200lbs lean with NO drugs....give it a rest bro. You have no clue what you're saying.
Kyomu probably has been lifting for fewer years, if anything....or the same amount of time. He looks great and has made awesome improvements, without drugs. I give him credit.
Foundation, maturity? haha
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Better maturity, foundation, symmetry?
Man, you really just type to type and have no basis for your comments. I've been lifting for 17 years, 15 years ago I tried one 2 month cycle, then over 7 years later....went from 150lbs to over 200lbs lean with NO drugs....give it a rest bro. You have no clue what you're saying.
Kyomu probably has been lifting for fewer years, if anything....or the same amount of time. He looks great and has made awesome improvements, without drugs. I give him credit.
Foundation, maturity? haha
NO. Kanjimaster has been lifting for over 20 years.
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Better maturity, foundation, symmetry?
Man, you really just type to type and have no basis for your comments. I've been lifting for 17 years, 15 years ago I tried one 2 month cycle, then over 7 years later....went from 150lbs to over 200lbs lean with NO drugs....give it a rest bro. You have no clue what you're saying.
Kyomu probably has been lifting for fewer years, if anything....or the same amount of time. He looks great and has made awesome improvements, without drugs. I give him credit.
Foundation, maturity? haha
he look 10 times better than you and youre hormonized,,there is a list of guys on this board that are same as you :
mesomorph
simply
his wall brother
jef rodrigez
you ofcourse...
the crazy fella who screams everytime he lift ,,a kid,, i forgot his name claim natural has 6 feet fella compete natural
anyways all of you have a king ,,the king is skip lacour ,,he is the reason for your being now days,,that is why i always fought him inorder to save as many misgusded souls like yourself and the other i mentioned,,
and yes your years training dont change a thing,,youre a shrimp on hormones,,you cant compete ,,you did cycles with your own admitance now....,,once you go that route you never stop..
the shirts you wear are most likley always the arrogant ones with the saying you buy in walmart or the supplemtn shiney shirts,,it is quite sad if you ask me because on one hand you made me so rich that i can practically sit and do nothing all day long ,,,but on the other hand what did you achieve?
ask yourself this before you go to sleep,,what did you achieve with all the shit you bought? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
you achieved low body fat at 190lb but you didnt do shit with it !
and yoru responde to hormones is average at best,,the asian fella would blow you out of the water if he got back on anything because he blow you with out anything,,take a look at him he may be smaller but he has more of a bodybulder physiqe youll ever have
gh15 approved
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cause then somebody can't say why don't you look like jay cutler if you juice, I would be much bigger on the juice than you, you haven't grown as much as I thought you would on steroids etc etc.
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he look 10 times better than you and youre hormonized,,there is a list of guys on this board that are same as you :
mesomorph
simply
his wall brother
jef rodrigez
you ofcourse...
the crazy fella who screams everytime he lift ,,a kid,, i forgot his name claim natural has 6 feet fella compete natural
anyways all of you have a king ,,the king is skip lacour ,,he is the reason for your being now days,,that is why i always fought him inorder to save as many misgusded souls like yourself and the other i mentioned,,
and yes your years training dont change a thing,,youre a shrimp on hormones,,you cant compete ,,you did cycles with your own admitance now....,,once you go that route you never stop..
the shirts you wear are most likley always the arrogant ones with the saying you buy in walmart or the supplemtn shiney shirts,,it is quite sad if you ask me because on one hand you made me so rich that i can practically sit and do nothing all day long ,,,but on the other hand what did you achieve?
ask yourself this before you go to sleep,,what did you achieve with all the shit you bought? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
you achieved low body fat at 190lb but you didnt do shit with it !
and yoru responde to hormones is average at best,,the asian fella would blow you out of the water if he got back on anything because he blow you with out anything,,take a look at him he may be smaller but he has more of a bodybulder physiqe youll ever have
gh15 approved
Achieve? Maybe our definition of achievement is different. I don't view posing in a thong as an "achievement". Why? Because ANYONE can do it. I don't need a medal on my wall that says "3rd place finisher Lightweight Division" to have a sense of accomplishment. If you do, that's great...but let's not fool ourselves into thinking you achieve something by gaining muscle mass on drugs.
All the things I've bought...for what, being healthier? Glutamine, protein powder? haha, You're shot. I don't sport a BSN shirt or ZERO to JACKED shirt. This is usually worn by juicers who support the "hardcore" movement. ::)
You're whole world revolves around injections and how tight your hamstrings look for your next show. This whole thing has never appealed to me, never will. It just seems pointless. If you compete, that's great, do what you love. Anytime someone comes up to me and ask, "Do you compete?" I reply, "Why?" A bunch of drugged up tools trying to impress a crowd of schmoes. Plus, it's a talentless venture.
I say, try competing in something that requires skill.
On the hormonized. How are you so sure I take drugs? Because there's no way you can be 200lbs @7%. ::) You're a sad man with a drug problem with only memories of schmoes praising you. I'm unimpressed.
I think achievement, I think about great musicians, actors, artists...you know, real achievements. ;) Guy who takes drugs for 20 years...not on my list, or most people's for that matter.
Be well.
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No, man! I find this vid hilarious. very creative. you seem like you would be a funny guy to hang around with in real life. keep making the vids, they are great stuff.
Oh come on, you couldn't see the sarcasm joke there...haha 1800LOVEMEN?
Dude, that video was so fucking gay, I couldn't stop laughing after I made it.
No, in real life I'm boring. Only on youtube am I somewhat amusing, when you're bored.
Thanks.
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I DID see the sarcasm there, thats what made the video funny ;D
I actually sent that vid to a bunch of my friends. one of the funniest vids ive watched
No, I meant sarcasm in my post...haha, same thing.
"Are you tired of gay singles bars? Do you want a real man?"
hahah
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No, I meant sarcasm in my post...haha, same thing.
"Are you tired of gay singles bars? Do you want a real man?"
hahah
Your skydiving vids = really cool.
Ever considered trying a wingsuit?
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Your skydiving vids = really cool.
Ever considered trying a wingsuit?
I'd rather freefly. A wingsuit would be fun I'm sure, but no comparison for me. Not many people wingsuit and it's a usually a flock dive, instead of changing HD/Sit orientation. A much longer freefall though. You're probably going 80mph down, instead of 160mph freeflying. Also, with my limited mobility from lifting, being webbed up and reaching for a pilot chute doesn't sound good..hahah
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I'd rather freefly. A wingsuit would be fun I'm sure, but no comparison for me. Not many people wingsuit and it's a usually a flock dive, instead of changing HD/Sit orientation. A much longer freefall though. You're probably going 80mph down, instead of 160mph freeflying. Also, with my limited mobility from lifting, being webbed up and reaching for a pilot chute doesn't sound good..hahah
Check these crazy vikings in a wingsuit, especially near the end:
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Check these crazy vikings in a wingsuit, especially near the end:
Proximity flying. You want to have at least a few hundred wingsuit jumps, before doing a base jump in one. Then hundreds of base jumps, before even thinking of doing that one...haha
Pretty awesome stuff, for sure. Jeb Corliss jumps at my dropzone quite a bit. We'll see if he lands one without a parachute in the next 2 years. I spoke with Luigi Cani, who has some awesome stunts himself and said he wouldn't even think of it. Should be interesting.
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hahaha, nice!
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falcon looking handsome here.
too bad he has lost his mind lately.
all paint thinner and crack.
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Proximity flying. You want to have at least a few hundred wingsuit jumps, before doing a base jump in one. Then hundreds of base jumps, before even thinking of doing that one...haha
Pretty awesome stuff, for sure. Jeb Corliss jumps at my dropzone quite a bit. We'll see if he lands one without a parachute in the next 2 years. I spoke with Luigi Cani, who has some awesome stunts himself and said he wouldn't even think of it. Should be interesting.
Nice! Wasnt Luigi Cani on that show "Stunt Junkies" some time back?
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Nice! Wasnt Luigi Cani on that show "Stunt Junkies" some time back?
Yeah, he was staying at my buddy's house, so I was talking with him for an hour or so on a few things. One of which was the wingsuit project. Nice guy. Only a few base jumps, but more of a canopy pilot. He's landed a 37 sq ft canopy...haha, it looks like a napkin or something.
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Yeah, he was staying at my buddy's house, so I was talking with him for an hour or so on a few things. One of which was the wingsuit project. Nice guy. Only a few base jumps, but more of a canopy pilot. He's landed a 37 sq ft canopy...haha, it looks like a napkin or something.
Nuts guy! Debussey has just heard about him + saw him on stunt junkies once.
Even though Debussey = a mongolid retard in a mental asylum, it has always wanted to eventually become a skilled wingsuit BASE jumber :o
Have you been to any of the big jumping places in the US? How effective do you think such places are in terms of number of jumps/day?
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Nuts guy! Debussey has just heard about him + saw him on stunt junkies once.
Even though Debussey = a mongolid retard in a mental asylum, it has always wanted to eventually become a skilled wingsuit BASE jumber :o
Have you been to any of the big jumping places in the US? How effective do you think such places are in terms of number of jumps/day?
Big dropzones? Yeah, Perris, CA. You can get off 10 jumps a day there, easily.
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No drugs used to reach this. 205lbs...@7%.
I have another shot where I weight 150lbs. I went from that to 200+ with ZERO drugs.
I have to disagree, Croatch.
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that you gained 40+ pounds in one summer of using steroids many years ago?
You changed that 'natural baseline' that you have to work with for the rest of your life. I"m sure someone else can locate the research that details how the nucleus of a great deal of cells remain large after the cycle, even if you remain natural forever. Also something about the cell wall. I wish I had that article.
Anyway, if a guy runs a cycle and adds 40 pounds, he has a new baseline. You are now able to reach that same "previously held level" without much problem. You are able to get 10, or 20, or 30 pounds bigger today because you did blow up like crazy that summer.
Just my 2 cents. You're a hilarious guy and your videos are great. But I think you believe you have the same baseline as everyone else - as a guy who gained 40 pounds on gear - i don't think you do. I think you changed your starting line forever.
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Big dropzones? Yeah, Perris, CA. You can get off 10 jumps a day there, easily.
Sweet!! What = the cost per jump in a place like that? Around 25USD?
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i have conversed with jrod via email.
he's a nice guy and has a great physique.
I just got off the phone with jrod.
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I have to disagree, Croatch.
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that you gained 40+ pounds in one summer of using steroids many years ago?
You changed that 'natural baseline' that you have to work with for the rest of your life. I"m sure someone else can locate the research that details how the nucleus of a great deal of cells remain large after the cycle, even if you remain natural forever. Also something about the cell wall. I wish I had that article.
Anyway, if a guy runs a cycle and adds 40 pounds, he has a new baseline. You are now able to reach that same "previously held level" without much problem. You are able to get 10, or 20, or 30 pounds bigger today because you did blow up like crazy that summer.
Just my 2 cents. You're a hilarious guy and your videos are great. But I think you believe you have the same baseline as everyone else - as a guy who gained 40 pounds on gear - i don't think you do. I think you changed your starting line forever.
Maybe so. I don't know one person who gains X amount on drugs, then surpasses it 15 years later. I'm not sure on what case studies you're referring to, but I don't think there are any. If that is the case, it was a good investment. I can be drug free and have steroid like gains. I often think someone injects me while I sleep. The number of steroid physiques I smoke on a daily basis, is fucking staggering! I often want to wear a shirt that says, "You actually took drugs to attain that?"
haah
Also consider what gains I had then...water mainly. The most muscle you're putting on in 2 months can't be more than 15lbs? Right.
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Sweet!! What = the cost per jump in a place like that? Around 25USD?
Correct. Where are you located?
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I just got off the phone with jrod.
You were standing on the phone?