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Title: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: the_swami on May 03, 2009, 11:01:31 PM
http://www.hugenasser.com/nasser/interview/part-six/   :o

an extremely interesting account from the Wizard of truth.

Nasser's recall of events and details is phenomenal.

One just has to feel for Andreas and his family- he paid the ultimate price for the merciless despots of the IFBB. may he RIP.

Nasser's book is going to be one hell of a read!

Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: 240 is Back on May 03, 2009, 11:07:36 PM
when does the book come out?
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: the_swami on May 03, 2009, 11:16:12 PM
i believe towards the end of this year or early 2010

check Nasser's website for updates
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Post by: m8 on May 03, 2009, 11:32:33 PM
Andreas > Nasser in every conceivable way.
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Post by: Matt C on May 03, 2009, 11:47:00 PM
smart and detailed,,, high iq high quality stuff just writ it out liike this,,,and then read it,,and you will see waht i mean.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: TommyBoy on May 03, 2009, 11:57:54 PM
Very good read. I did chuckle at the Get Biggers comment though. Nasser really does think Munzer was taken advantage of and he drives it home the entire article. No issues calling people out either.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Sam on May 04, 2009, 12:53:00 AM
Thats good stuff. The other chapters are interesting also. Talks about Titus in chapter 5.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: honest on May 04, 2009, 05:08:52 AM
Meaningless interview, with no real new information infact i would go as far as to say that anyone whos been around pro bodybuilding long enough would know more about his actual death and certain drug interactions that may have caused it. Obviously nasser has a  beef with the gym owner who Andreas worked for, hope the book offers up more actual facts and information about pro bodybuilding and his actual experiances, would hate for it to just be a place for him to rant his anger and bitterness towards people he doesnt like.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: LEE_1 on May 04, 2009, 05:14:07 AM
MUNZER WAS A GOOD MAN
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on May 04, 2009, 05:23:48 AM
Meaningless interview, with no real new information infact i would go as far as to say that anyone whos been around pro bodybuilding long enough would know more about his actual death and certain drug interactions that may have caused it. Obviously nasser has a  beef with the gym owner who Andreas worked for, hope the book offers up more actual facts and information about pro bodybuilding and his actual experiances, would hate for it to just be a place for him to rant his anger and bitterness towards people he doesnt like.

Well he's already got that out of the way at BBing.com so hopefully the book has more information.




and more stories about Greg Kovacs cleaning his ass with a towel
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: affeman on May 04, 2009, 06:25:40 AM
Haha, "The Gravedigger" is Albert Busek btw., the guy who actually brought Arnold on the scene and in the US.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Meso_z on May 04, 2009, 06:36:41 AM
Damn, thats a great interview.

Well done, Nasser..
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Meso_z on May 04, 2009, 06:37:36 AM
Another great QUOTE.

“There are too may shows in the IFBB pro ranks which pay very poorly. But the bodybuilders are treated almost like racehorses. When a racehorse breaks a foot or a leg, then it is no longer profitable. It is shot right away. Bodybuilders do not get shot with guns but get shot with needles.” Nasser El Sonbaty on the reality facing pro bodybuilders.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Figo on May 04, 2009, 06:48:05 AM
good stuff
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: njflex on May 04, 2009, 06:50:55 AM
Another great QUOTE.

“There are too may shows in the IFBB pro ranks which pay very poorly. But the bodybuilders are treated almost like racehorses. When a racehorse breaks a foot or a leg, then it is no longer profitable. It is shot right away. Bodybuilders do not get shot with guns but get shot with needles.” Nasser El Sonbaty on the reality facing pro bodybuilders.
QFT...
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: dr.chimps on May 04, 2009, 06:54:31 AM
i believe towards the end of this year or early 2010

check Nasser's website for updates
LOL. He must have started writing it when he first told us that it's publication was imminent.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Mars on May 04, 2009, 07:08:45 AM
gravedigger was steve blechman?
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on May 04, 2009, 07:40:13 AM
Vince Basile is the Gravedigger
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Mars on May 04, 2009, 07:50:40 AM
is "the gravedigger" a getbigger?
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: BIG_STI on May 04, 2009, 12:16:41 PM
is "the gravedigger" a getbigger?

Probably "the Chad"
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Cleanest Natural on May 04, 2009, 12:52:31 PM
my guess is Albert Busek who runs Sport Revue the german bb mag
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Meso_z on May 04, 2009, 12:55:52 PM
my guess is Albert Busek who runs Sport Revue the german bb mag

is he still "active" in the industry?
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: johnnytosh on May 04, 2009, 01:02:41 PM
Nasser has really dis-appointed in the turn he has taken.
Complaining about placings, talking behind everyone's back.
He tries to "OUT" people with the most embarassing facts/fiction.
Singing conspiracy theories at every opportunity.
Now, he's got a book coming out ?

For God's sake. Talk about being desperate for money.

Now that he doesn't compete & cannot make any real money from the sport,
he's gonna spill all the personal secrets.  He's only making himslf look bad.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Cleanest Natural on May 04, 2009, 01:29:48 PM
is he still "active" in the industry?
???
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Meso_z on May 04, 2009, 01:31:54 PM
???

this albert guy.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Meso_z on May 04, 2009, 01:34:08 PM
Nasser has really dis-appointed in the turn he has taken.
Complaining about placings, talking behind everyone's back.
He tries to "OUT" people with the most embarassing facts/fiction.
Singing conspiracy theories at every opportunity.
Now, he's got a book coming out ?

For God's sake. Talk about being desperate for money.

Now that he doesn't compete & cannot make any real money from the sport,
he's gonna spill all the personal secrets.  He's only making himslf look bad.

No Nasser acts right in Andreas situation.

We must know what kind of creepy and "cloudy" guys hide behind incidents like that.
That c#nt must be exposed to the max.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 04, 2009, 01:38:10 PM
my guess is Albert Busek who runs Sport Revue the german bb mag

It is Albert Busek
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 04, 2009, 02:12:39 PM
No Nasser acts right in Andreas situation.

We must know what kind of creepy and "cloudy" guys hide behind incidents like that.
That c#nt must be exposed to the max.

He didn't act right , typical Nasser it's everyone else who's at fault  ::) the person who killed Munzer was Munzer period. Albert Busek may have been as asshole but to blame him for Andy's death seriously . He obviously has an axe to grind with Busek especially when he referred to him as a " Nazi " and a " pervert " and " molester " he was smart enough not to say his name to avoid a slander suit

He laments about Busek not doing anything to say Munzer's reputation after he died , what did he do? he saw his " medical journals " he knew he wasn't a drug monster yet he doesn't have anything to say until 2009  ::)

He looks for venues to mention his name and bash everyone else , he's a sad bitter man and with each interview this becomes more evident.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: bigbobs on May 04, 2009, 02:19:19 PM
Nasser is the ONLY colleague of Munzer's to actually come out and defend him to such a degree.  It's funny how even when Nasser gives positive words and credit where it is due, haters still look for a excuses to twist it as a negative or bitter interview.  ::)
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Royalty on May 04, 2009, 03:32:46 PM
Andreas Munzer said that he ate horse meat for protein....I guess that available in Germany. He said it really helped him to stay leaner than when he focused on beef (cow)
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: HeartofSteel on May 04, 2009, 04:27:26 PM
It is Albert Busek

Who the fuck is that piece of shit?
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 04, 2009, 04:57:50 PM
Nasser is the ONLY colleague of Munzer's to actually come out and defend him to such a degree.  It's funny how even when Nasser gives positive words and credit where it is due, haters still look for a excuses to twist it as a negative or bitter interview.  ::)

Again where was he when he died? NO WHERE he's using Munzer's name as a tool , he's full of shit and he didn't have a word to say when Munzer died . If he truly cared he would have been defending him ALL along and yet 2008 or 09 he cares .

Seriously the lengths you go to turn a blind eye to Nasser's bullshit is nauseating
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 04, 2009, 05:00:48 PM
Who the fuck is that piece of shit?

He is the Joe Weider of German bodybuilding
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: the_swami on May 04, 2009, 05:05:59 PM
Nasser is the ONLY colleague of Munzer's to actually come out and defend him to such a degree.  It's funny how even when Nasser gives positive words and credit where it is due, haters still look for a excuses to twist it as a negative or bitter interview.  ::)

QFT!

typical getbigger human garbage response from the usual haters...........its getting very old.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: the_swami on May 04, 2009, 05:07:54 PM
Andreas Munzer said that he ate horse meat for protein....I guess that available in Germany. He said it really helped him to stay leaner than when he focused on beef (cow)

apparently horsemeat was Serge Nubret's favorite protein source................be cause of the high content of androgens+ anabolic compounds
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: YoungBlood on May 04, 2009, 05:12:48 PM

That interview is the worst piece of garbage I've ever seen. Hardly worth printing it out to wipe Pumpster's ass with.

From the misspelling of Munzer's name, contradicting "information" from what he says earlier, to Nasser just rambling and using dumb nicknames over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.....

Pointless, horrible and I wasted more time reading it than I should have. >:( And that was skipping through some of it realizing it was just another facade for Nasser to keep his name out there.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 04, 2009, 05:13:22 PM
QFT!

typical getbigger human garbage response from the usual haters...........its getting very old.

Again where was here when Andy died? yeah I thought so
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Tyr on May 04, 2009, 09:51:16 PM
Again where was he when he died? NO WHERE he's using Munzer's name as a tool , he's full of shit and he didn't have a word to say when Munzer died . If he truly cared he would have been defending him ALL along and yet 2008 or 09 he cares .

Seriously the lengths you go to turn a blind eye to Nasser's bullshit is nauseating

Exactly- why didn't he speak out when munzer died?  Why wait almost a decade to voice his opinion?
Some friend he is. Of course we all know that nasser uses his friends when its convenient for him and then badmouths them afterwards :-\  Nasser can't resist taking a few cheap pot shots at Sarcev and Wheeler every chance he gets. Strange that he omitted Shawn Ray.  :)
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: bigbobs on May 04, 2009, 10:06:39 PM
Again where was here when Andy died? yeah I thought so

Yeah, commit political suicide by issuing such statements while he's still competing?  ::)

He's said before that he's waited until retirement to speak about this kind of stuff as he has nothing to lose anymore.  And Munzer was not a "friend" of Nasser's in that they only met a few times, but he is still the only colleague to stand up for him in such a way.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: affeman on May 04, 2009, 10:07:13 PM
Who the fuck is that piece of shit?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Busek

(http://www.alexander-schroll.com/special/specialpics/albert_busek_german_flex.jpg)

Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Tyr on May 04, 2009, 10:17:24 PM


nasser retired in 2005 and yet waited all this time to bring all this out. Epic attempt to shut the door when the horse has bolted and the barn burnt down.

Of course he also waited until he retired before attacking his former friends.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: saucetradomous on May 04, 2009, 10:21:38 PM

nasser retired in 2005 and yet waited all this time to bring all this out. Epic attempt to shut the door when the horse has bolted and the barn burnt down.

Of course he also waited until he retired before attacking his former friends.

Yes he was a true champion!  One of the greatest of all time.  Benched 225 for 12?  amazing strength.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Tyr on May 04, 2009, 10:25:57 PM
Yes he was a true champion!  One of the greatest of all time.  Benched 225 for 12?  amazing strength.

Good grief  what a monster.
I wonder why he never won the olympia  ;D
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: saucetradomous on May 04, 2009, 10:28:15 PM
Good grief  what a monster.
I wonder why he never won the olympia  ;D

Overtrained?
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: the_swami on May 04, 2009, 10:36:05 PM
Yeah, commit political suicide by issuing such statements while he's still competing?  ::)

He's said before that he's waited until retirement to speak about this kind of stuff as he has nothing to lose anymore.  And Munzer was not a "friend" of Nasser's in that they only met a few times, but he is still the only colleague to stand up for him in such a way.

bigbobs spot on as always.

ND- typical getbigger living in a fantasy internet world of BB- believing like gospel truth everything Flex mag/mc gough etc puts out.

ND if you ever associated with BB's or competed, you would know, as Nasser has pointed out many times before- there are no BB friendships- it is "what drug can you get me" or "how are you using this drug " or "what workout/food/supplement etc" are you using.
all BB' s want is other BB knowledge or contacts for drugs.

also these IFBB BB's are not true friends but as bobs points out , colleagues and competitors- they are trying to beat each other so it is hard to be friends.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Tyr on May 04, 2009, 11:01:31 PM
bigbobs spot on as always.



ND if you ever associated with BB's or competed, you would know, as Nasser has pointed out many times before- there are no BB friendships- it is "what drug can you get me" or "how are you using this drug " or "what workout/food/supplement etc" are you using.
all BB' s want is other BB knowledge or contacts for drugs.



Story of nassers life.
Sums up why he was so  quick to attack those "friends" he exploited during his competition days.
He never had any true friendships or loyalties.
His wife found that out the hard way.

Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 05, 2009, 12:21:09 AM
Yeah, commit political suicide by issuing such statements while he's still competing?  ::)

He's said before that he's waited until retirement to speak about this kind of stuff as he has nothing to lose anymore.  And Munzer was not a "friend" of Nasser's in that they only met a few times, but he is still the only colleague to stand up for him in such a way.

Oh spare me honestly  ::) again he didn't retire in 2009 he's been retired for quite some time and guess what he's been silent all these years ..yet the timing is impeccable that he voices his ' concerns ' the same time he revamped his website

He's a joke exploiting Munzer for his own gain , he's as phony as it gets .
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Meso_z on May 05, 2009, 12:31:29 AM
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Busek

(http://www.alexander-schroll.com/special/specialpics/albert_busek_german_flex.jpg)



what a croc of shit.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 05, 2009, 12:32:28 AM

Story of nassers life.
Sums up why he was so  quick to attack those "friends" he exploited during his competition days.
He never had any true friendships or loyalties.
His wife found that out the hard way.



Exactly , he always came off as ' the nice guy ' ' very friendly and personable ' and guess what? it was all an act , he's a phony who is now exploiting all of his ' friends ' after the fact . the biggest backstabber who thinks if he rats out everyone this will gain him respect , he couldn't gain respect via his career this is all he has left .

Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Tyr on May 05, 2009, 12:40:53 AM
Oh spare me honestly  ::) again he didn't retire in 2009 he's been retired for quite some time and guess what he's been silent all these years ..yet the timing is impeccable that he voices his ' concerns ' the same time he revamped his website

He's a joke exploiting Munzer for his own gain , he's as phony as it gets .

That's why he the SELF PROCLAIMED wizard of truth. 
The truth  as he sees it along with the denials,excuses, backstabbing, etc to color it.



Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Tyr on May 05, 2009, 12:43:18 AM
Exactly , he always came off as ' the nice guy ' ' very friendly and personable ' and guess what? it was all an act , he's a phony who is now exploiting all of his ' friends ' after the fact . the biggest backstabber who thinks if he rats out everyone this will gain him respect , he couldn't gain respect via his career this is all he has left .



Now THAT is the truth
Can you dig it?
He's a delusional man and no one can understand him but his woman bigbobs
I'm talkin' 'bout nasser
Yeah

Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why....
Post by: TechnoViking on May 05, 2009, 12:45:01 AM
Vince Basile is the Gravedigger

LOL!!!  X2

Vince Basile=Gravedigger
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: pellius on May 05, 2009, 02:43:10 AM
Vince Basile is the Gravedigger

No, but he was at the funeral.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Tapeworm on May 05, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
apparently horsemeat was Serge Nubret's favorite protein source................because of the high content of androgens+ anabolic compounds

Setting aside whether or not that is even the case and which mysterious 'anabolic compounds' you are referring to, aren't these destroyed unless methylated, which is why guys inject compounds unless they are engineered for pill form?  I don't think you can eat unaltered testosterone molecules and get any benefit.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: robins on May 05, 2009, 11:22:31 AM
Nasser has really dis-appointed in the turn he has taken.
Complaining about placings, talking behind everyone's back.
He tries to "OUT" people with the most embarassing facts/fiction.
Singing conspiracy theories at every opportunity.
Now, he's got a book coming out ?

For God's sake. Talk about being desperate for money.

Now that he doesn't compete & cannot make any real money from the sport,
he's gonna spill all the personal secrets.  He's only making himslf look bad.
QFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: dr.chimps on May 05, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
Now THAT is the truth
Can you dig it?
He's a delusional man and no one can understand him but his woman bigbobs
I'm talkin' 'bout nasser
Yeah
Shut yo mouth      :D   
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: Nizar on May 05, 2009, 12:08:00 PM
He obviously has an axe to grind with Busek especially when he referred to him as a " Nazi " and a " pervert " and " molester " he was smart enough not to say his name to avoid a slander suit


Gravedigger ::)
 What's with all the name calling? Why not come right out and name the person if you're trying to seek justice for a friends death.  Since he's retired he has nothing to fear, right? :-\ . I'll bet he doesn't have the guts to name names in his book either. It'll probably have some childish nicknames for people he has a problem with to avoid defamation suits.

Sounds like nasser doesn't have the balls to back up the slander he throws around.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: affeman on May 05, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Gravedigger ::)
 What's with all the name calling? Why not come right out and name the person if you're trying to seek justice for a friends death.  Since he's retired he has nothing to fear, right? :-\ . I'll bet he doesn't have the guts to name names in his book either. It'll probably have some childish nicknames for people he has a problem with to avoid defamation suits.

Sounds like nasser doesn't have the balls to back up the slander he throws around.


Also retired people have to fear juridical consequences.
Title: Re: THE LATE ANDREAS MUNZER.............NASSER'S OPINION- what happened, why........
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on May 05, 2009, 01:58:28 PM
Gravedigger ::)
 What's with all the name calling? Why not come right out and name the person if you're trying to seek justice for a friends death.  Since he's retired he has nothing to fear, right? :-\ . I'll bet he doesn't have the guts to name names in his book either. It'll probably have some childish nicknames for people he has a problem with to avoid defamation suits.

Sounds like nasser doesn't have the balls to back up the slander he throws around.


Exactly , he wouldn't utter a peep at the time this was going down , now he's spouting off  ::) he's trying desperately to sound relevant and he's not