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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Kegdrainer on May 04, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
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Guy benches 515, squats 600, 31 reps of 225 at the combine. They said he put on 50 pounds of mass since his freshman year.
Nice pickup for the Redskins, think he is natural or is he on the shit?
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I think he would struggle to lift a 590lb stone :)
Seriously though these NFL guys are impressive
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cream of the crop right there...
true freak
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incredible athlete, i have doubts on the 515 bench, probably more like 405-415 but still strong as shit.
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what is the point of lifting that heavy weight? You can build a better body lifting much much much less than that. He risks injury lifting all this weight if he is serious about a football career.
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That is one scary black guy. I should have adopted him 8 years ago :-\
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All Calves
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Functional beast. A true genetic freak.
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When it comes to strength he is a midget compared to this guy:
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think he is natural or is he on the shit?
:D
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incredible athlete, i have doubts on the 515 bench, probably more like 405-415 but still strong as shit.
i don't.
DE- think explosive power.
i doubt very much its a slow controlled bber type rep, prolly more explosive push- off the chest, but i don't doubt it.
i have seen smaller DE's do 465- again, tremendous back arch- not true bber style.
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When it comes to strength he is a midget compared to this guy:
When it comes to strength every human being in History is a midget compared to V.A.
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When it comes to strength every human being in History is a midget compared to V.A.
Ed Coan http://www.joeskopec.com/chadnicholsstealsbandwidthfromwwwjoeskopeccomedcoan.mpg
(http://www.joeskopec.com/chadnicholsstealsbandwidthfromwwwjoeskopeccomedcoan.mpg)
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the deep voice says it all
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incredible athlete, i have doubts on the 515 bench, probably more like 405-415 but still strong as shit.
Why would you doubt it and why would you suggest an arbitrary number without rationale behind it?
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what is the point of lifting that heavy weight? You can build a better body lifting much much much less than that. He risks injury lifting all this weight if he is serious about a football career.
yeah you tell him and the Redskins how to train for performance ::)
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Typical FatBody fat ass.
Needs to lose around 70-85 lbs of fat.
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Why would you doubt it and why would you suggest an arbitrary number without rationale behind it?
maybe QO has little faith in Mr. Orakpo's ability to add
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Typical FatBody fat ass.
Needs to lose around 70-85 lbs of fat.
you are delusional. You think he would bench 515 and be a first round draft pick as a defensive end at 185 lbs?
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Here come all the "experts" telling the first round pick who just banked 20 mill that he needs to lose weight ::) I would bet he runs a faster 40 than any of the twinks talking trash.
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Typical FatBody fat ass.
Needs to lose around 70-85 lbs of fat.
Why? He doesn't have any aspirations of being a bodybuilder; he'd rather make millions of dollars playing in the NFL.
What should he do, lose all that weight so he will look good in the eyes of people such as you?
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Why? He doesn't have any aspirations of being a bodybuilder; he'd rather make millions of dollars playing in the NFL.
What should he do, lose all that weight so he will look good in the eyes of people such as you?
Sorry, he fails.
There is no spot on Team Twinkface for him whatsoever. JohnnyNoName and I will just have to recruit elsewhere.
This fat man will just have to wallow in his miserable tubby body.
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DOES anyone know his diet???
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DOES anyone know his diet???
Pure Lard, A dash of sugar and a bucket of Chicken. EOD.
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DOES anyone know his diet???
Yes, whatever he wants......go home.....count his millons....play a sport he loves for huge money - repeat.
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Pure Lard, A dash of sugar and a bucket of Chicken. EOD.
ya know ya still wrong about food causing acne-i asked my friend and he said certain foods do cause pimples
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lol hes like 260 at 10%bf. hardly a fatbody
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Pure Lard, A dash of sugar and a bucket of Chicken. EOD.
are we feeling inferior today :-\
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Sorry, he fails.
There is no spot on Team Twinkface for him whatsoever. JohnnyNoName and I will just have to recruit elsewhere.
This fat man will just have to wallow in his miserable tubby body.
Fails? According to what value set? What makes your value set more valid than his or anyone else's?
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Fails? According to what value set? What makes your value set more valid than his or anyone else's?
Typical getbigger.....telling a person at the top of their field who makes millions they "fail". Ha-ha it's so funny to watch. Love it.
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Typical getbigger.....telling a person at the top of their field who makes millions they "fail". Ha-ha it's so funny to watch. Love it.
It's unfortunate because TA is quite intelligent. However, he seems to think his reality holds precedence over other people's; that's his downfall.
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More brilliant comments by JTsunami and TA. True experts right there.(Oh brother)
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Fails at becoming a Team TwinkFace member. Succeeds at playing a homoerotic sport, watched by morons across the country.
What is so difficult to understand?
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Typical getbigger.....telling a person at the top of their field who makes millions they "fail". Ha-ha it's so funny to watch. Love it.
Look, I just don`t think he would ever make it on Team Twinkface as he is obese.
I find it laughable that someone is claiming that he is 260 lbs at 10 percent bodyfat. That would mean that with 2-3 weeks of dieting, he could step on stage and best most IFBB Pros, totally Natural.
How Stupid do you have to be to believe that little lie?
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TA what part of the country do you reside from?
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Look, I just don`t think he would ever make it on Team Twinkface as he is obese.
I find it laughable that someone is claiming that he is 260 lbs at 10 percent bodyfat. That would mean that with 2-3 weeks of dieting, he could step on stage and best most IFBB Pros, totally Natural.
How Stupid do you have to be to believe that little lie?
Let's all get furious at TA's comment because NFL prospect Brian Arakpo is obese.
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TA what part of the country do you reside from?
TA has never been truly exposed to true ni*gas with genetics ....
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Ironic, this retard call football "homoerotic" all the while there's a 20 page thread started by him on "twinkified men". I know half the shit TA posts is just to try to get people ruffled, but I just think this is just his way of truly coming out of the closet.
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Ironic, this retard call football "homoerotic" all the while there's a 20 page thread started by him on "twinkified men". I know half the shit TA posts is just to try to get people ruffled, but I just think this is just his way of truly coming out of the closet.
And it = working. Almost all of his threads = very popular, and people gets pissed off 8)
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Ironic, this retard call football "homoerotic" all the while there's a 20 page thread started by him on "twinkified men". I know half the shit TA posts is just to try to get people ruffled, but I just think this is just his way of truly coming out of the closet.
You don`t think football is homoerotic in any way?
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Ok, I'll play along. No, not in the least.
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what is the point of lifting that heavy weight? You can build a better body lifting much much much less than that. He risks injury lifting all this weight if he is serious about a football career.
Youre a fucking idiot. Please stop posting
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Can't remember the last time I seen a 6'4 260 obese person run a 4.6 40.
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Can't remember the last time I seen a 6'4 260 obese person run a 4.6 40.
My Lotus did 0-60 in 4.2.
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Good for you.
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Good for you.
Joe: Do you have the front seat in your car artificially heightened (or covered with a support pillow for dwarfs) in order to be able to look over the steering wheel?
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Joe: Do you have the front seat in your car artificially heightened (or covered with a support pillow for dwarfs) in order to be able to look over the steering wheel?
ROFLMAO!
Joe is the type of guy to do a shirtless photo shoot wearing only football pads and a cup so he can resize it to make a snazzy avatar for his Premium Membership to the Sticky Studs Forum.
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what is the point of lifting that heavy weight? You can build a better body lifting much much much less than that. He risks injury lifting all this weight if he is serious about a football career.
He is a Football player!! A fucking great college player and hope that he has a great career with Washington. I guess you can build a twink Body and get past OT'S that weigh 300+ Pounds. Injury's happen in Football. This has to be the dumbest thing that i have ever heard. This guy reminds me of Lamarr Woodley but is way better and a fuckin beast.
Brian will play in the 4-3 as a Defensive End and the 3-4 as a outside Linebacker. I am a Lions fan but i am more excited about seeing Brian playing in Washington and destroying QB'S, RB'S, FB'S and anybody that gets in his way. I feel dumber having read that responce.
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What's the big deal?
Coach posted the lift records to the USC guys and Polamalu had similar lifts at only 215 lbs.
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I think this beast should satisfy most getbiggers idea of an impressive body:
(http://www.stilettosetsports.com/wp-content/uploads/james-casey-muscles.jpg)
James Casey
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225 for 31 and 515 max bench? no.
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Hey Debussey, at least I can fit in my car. As for TA and his Lotus, it's not his, he's to stupid to have a job, if he has one, it's his parents. They're rich ya know, they own the biggest Bentley dealerships in the Carolina's..LOL!
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Is it me, Coach, Body88, BFP that truly understand football? How in the hell if football homoerotic? I guess some queers can jack off to the guys who are jacked like Brian Orakpo. :o Dude got millions to play a sport that he loves and will dominate with having Hawnesworth in the middle and they can all eat whatever they want. Lemme see here....Play Football, Lift Weights, Get women, get PAID, and do what you love for a living. ;D
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Triple Pickle, 225 x31 is legit, pretty sure he did that at this years combine.
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He doesn't look like a bodybuilder, so why are these jackassess comparing him to Swarzafucker?
He is strong, he is big, but he doesn't look freaky... I guess they don't know what "freaky" is in a bodybuilders world. Someone send them some pics of Ronnie or Dorian... Flex? Levrone?
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You don`t think football is homoerotic in any way?
WHAT? I'm no big fan of football anymore but there is nothing, absolutely nothing, homoerotic about it. I played linebacker in high school and football is one of the closest thing to war without the weapons that you can get. My hero was Jack Lambert. All man just dripping testosterone and ferocious intensity. (I'm at work and unable to post pix can someone please post a pic of Lambert so this fag can see what a real man looks like).
TA, you posting pics of yourself and talking like a "nancy boy" is homoerotic. You're a pampered, coddled little queer who has an over blown opinion of himself and thinks he's so much better and smarter than everyone else. Coach will kick your skinny ass up and down the hill at Sand Dune park and have you at the end of the day wearing a chiffon skirt, a pink bow and calling him daddy.
God, you're such and insufferable little bitch.
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Triple Pickle, 225 x31 is legit, pretty sure he did that at this years combine.
i meant with the 515 max bench he should be doing 225 for at least 40 reps
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Hey Debussey, at least I can fit in my car. As for TA and his Lotus, it's not his, he's to stupid to have a job, if he has one, it's his parents. They're rich ya know, they own the biggest Bentley dealerships in the Carolina's..LOL!
His parents are dead.
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WHAT? I'm no big fan of football anymore but there is nothing, absolutely nothing, homoerotic about it. I played linebacker in high school and football is one of the closest thing to war without the weapons that you can get. My hero was Jack Lambert. All man just dripping testosterone and ferocious intensity. (I'm at work and unable to post pix can someone please post a pic of Lambert so this fag can see what a real man looks like).
TA, you posting pics of yourself and talking like a "nancy boy" is homoerotic. You're a pampered, coddled little queer who has an over blown opinion of himself and thinks he's so much better and smarter than everyone else. Coach will kick your skinny ass up and down the hill at Sand Dune park and have you at the end of the day wearing a chiffon skirt, a pink bow and calling him daddy.
God, you're such and insufferable little bitch.
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Playing football in High School was a fucking battle every Friday night and every Saturday night and the training. Homoerotic.. ::) It is fucking men playing Football and when i hit someone i wanted to fuckin kill them. I did not help any of them up and only hoped that i broke their neck, bones or tore any of their fuckin ligaments. I never ever wanted to see my enemy get the fuck up because i know that my job was not done right. Jack Lambert was one of the meanest players to ever play the game and i compare him to Dick Butkis. Playing football is about having a mean streak and wanting to knock your opponent out of the game and winning by any means necessary. Football is like a family and you will do whatever it takes to win and lay someone the fuck out.
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True Adonis please go see Julius Peppers play or Jon Beason play and you may understand.
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Playing football in High School was a fucking battle every Friday night and every Saturday night and the training. Homoerotic.. ::) It is fucking men playing Football and when i hit someone i wanted to fuckin kill them. I did not help any of them up and only hoped that i broke their neck, bones or tore any of their fuckin ligaments. I never ever wanted to see my enemy get the fuck up because i know that my job was not done right. Jack Lambert was one of the meanest players to ever play the game and i compare him to Dick Butkis. Playing football is about having a mean streak and wanting to knock your opponent out of the game and winning by any means necessary. Football is like a family and you will do whatever it takes to win and lay someone the fuck out.
The thing that inspired me about Lambert was that for a pro he was tall and skinny (6'4" 215 lbs) just like me. I didn't think I could play because I was tall and skinny but I felt if I was mean enough I could do it. I use to just pump my legs like Lambert did and just think about punishing my opponent. It wasn't enough just to "tackle" him I wanted him to feel pain. I wanted him to know when I was coming, to look out for me, to avoid me. I wasn't any all star but I got to be a starter in my junior year. Football is no game for homos. You have to have a killer instinct if you want to survive on the field. You have to feel and act like a predator. TA is no predator. He was put on this earth to be a bottom.
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My Lotus did 0-60 in 4.2.
No surprise if you have a Lotus. Lotus is homosexuals choice of sports car
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Look, I just don`t think he would ever make it on Team Twinkface as he is obese.
plus, we don't make T-shirts in his size anyway
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Triple Pickle, 225 x31 is legit, pretty sure he did that at this years combine.
doesn't mean he did 515, 225x31 equals about 395-405 single.
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Hey Debussey, at least I can fit in my car. As for TA and his Lotus, it's not his, he's to stupid to have a job, if he has one, it's his parents. They're rich ya know, they own the biggest Bentley dealerships in the Carolina's..LOL!
If that were true, wouldn`t I be then driving a Bentley?
Where do you come up with these things? LOLOLOLOL
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WHAT? I'm no big fan of football anymore but there is nothing, absolutely nothing, homoerotic about it. I played linebacker in high school and football is one of the closest thing to war without the weapons that you can get. My hero was Jack Lambert. All man just dripping testosterone and ferocious intensity. (I'm at work and unable to post pix can someone please post a pic of Lambert so this fag can see what a real man looks like).
TA, you posting pics of yourself and talking like a "nancy boy" is homoerotic. You're a pampered, coddled little queer who has an over blown opinion of himself and thinks he's so much better and smarter than everyone else. Coach will kick your skinny ass up and down the hill at Sand Dune park and have you at the end of the day wearing a chiffon skirt, a pink bow and calling him daddy.
God, you're such and insufferable little bitch.
Looks like a touched a nerve.
Typical faux heterosexual response in denial that he stares at bent-over stink men in tight lyrca for hours straight and truly smiling after they dance and touch themselves every 5 minutes in the "end zone", imagining himself on that field full of men and wishing to be a part of the locker room celebrations.
Oh brother and that ain`t even the half of it.
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Playing football in High School was a fucking battle every Friday night and every Saturday night and the training. Homoerotic.. ::) It is fucking men playing Football and when i hit someone i wanted to fuckin kill them. I did not help any of them up and only hoped that i broke their neck, bones or tore any of their fuckin ligaments. I never ever wanted to see my enemy get the fuck up because i know that my job was not done right. Jack Lambert was one of the meanest players to ever play the game and i compare him to Dick Butkis. Playing football is about having a mean streak and wanting to knock your opponent out of the game and winning by any means necessary. Football is like a family and you will do whatever it takes to win and lay someone the fuck out.
Wow, that sounds like a great attitude that is conducive to a positive society. You see, what this tells me that this isn`t about football at all. Deep inside you have this latent rage similar to what psychotic antisocial killer have lurking that is bottled and volatile looking for a release. The above feelings you described are no different than a serial killer hell-bent satisfying his violent and/or sexual urge oblivious to whatever destruction he may cause to humanity around him.
You claim you can turn it on and off at will and that is EXACTLY how the psychotic describe their patterns of behavior. From reading the above, I gather you revel when the switch is thrown to the on position which to me, is a sick behavior.
I ask you, since your high school football career ENDED in utter dead-ended failure, where now do you go to release your anger? What is your current outlet? Wife-beating? Serial Killing? Animal Torture? Republican Teabag rallies?
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The thing that inspired me about Lambert was that for a pro he was tall and skinny (6'4" 215 lbs) just like me. I didn't think I could play because I was tall and skinny but I felt if I was mean enough I could do it. I use to just pump my legs like Lambert did and just think about punishing my opponent. It wasn't enough just to "tackle" him I wanted him to feel pain. I wanted him to know when I was coming, to look out for me, to avoid me. I wasn't any all star but I got to be a starter in my junior year. Football is no game for homos. You have to have a killer instinct if you want to survive on the field. You have to feel and act like a predator. TA is no predator. He was put on this earth to be a bottom.
Humans evolved NOT because of their physicality, but because of an increase in brain size and expansion of the frontal lobe.
The previous hominid species who were more inclined to aggressiveness and lower brained predation all are extinct.
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WHAT? I'm no big fan of football anymore but there is nothing, absolutely nothing, homoerotic about it. I played linebacker in high school and football is one of the closest thing to war without the weapons that you can get. My hero was Jack Lambert. All man just dripping testosterone and ferocious intensity. (I'm at work and unable to post pix can someone please post a pic of Lambert so this fag can see what a real man looks like).
TA, you posting pics of yourself and talking like a "nancy boy" is homoerotic. You're a pampered, coddled little queer who has an over blown opinion of himself and thinks he's so much better and smarter than everyone else. Coach will kick your skinny ass up and down the hill at Sand Dune park and have you at the end of the day wearing a chiffon skirt, a pink bow and calling him daddy.
God, you're such and insufferable little bitch.
We see the same sort of homoerotic behavior of wanting to inflict pain or simulate pain on other men to dominate in the Gay Bondage and Gay Sadomasochistic culture.
(http://www.downonmyknees.com/homoerotic/bondage-knife-play.jpg)
You said it yourself that you could not wait to get your hands on other men, pretending yourself to be the ultimate Domineer,Jack Lambert, in order to inflict pain since all the men involved are just "Dripping Testosterone with ferocity".
If that ain`t gay, then Richard Simmons is People Magazine`s number one most Heterosexual Bachelor.
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(http://blog.kevinmeltzer.com/archives/Rex.jpg)
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071029100619.htm
Study: Over One-third Of Former American Football Players Had Sexual Relations With Men
ScienceDaily (Oct. 30, 2007) — A study of former high-school American Football players has found that more than a third said they had had sexual relations with other men.
In his study of homosexuality among sportsmen in the US, sociologist Dr Eric Anderson found that 19 in a sample of 47 had taken part in acts intended to sexually arouse other men, ranging from kissing to mutual masturbation and oral sex.
The 47 men, aged 18-23, were all American Football players who previously played at the high school (secondary school) level but had failed to be picked for their university’s team and were now cheerleaders instead. They were at various universities from the American south, Mid-West, west and north west.
Dr Anderson, now of the University of Bath, UK, said the study showed that society’s increasing open-mindedness about homosexuality and decreasing stigma concerning sexual activity with other men had allowed sportsmen to speak more openly about these sexual activities. He found that this sex came in the form of two men and one woman, as well as just two men alone.
He said that the sexual acts described differed from acts of ‘hazing’ or team-bonding that often include pretend-homosexual acts.
]“The evidence supports my assertion that homophobia is on the rapid decline among male teamsport athletes in North America at all levels of play,” he writes in his study, entitled ‘Being masculine is not about whom you sleep with…Heterosexual athletes contesting masculinity and the one-time rule of homosexuality’. It will be published in the journal Sex Roles in January.
“These finding differ from previous research on North American men who have sex with men, in several ways. First, previous research describes heterosexual men in heterogeneous group sex as men symbolically engaging in sexual practices with other men. However, I find informants actually engage in sexual activity with other men. But this does not mean that they are gay.
“Second, my informants do not feel that their same-sex sex jeopardizes their socially perceived heterosexual identities, at least within the cheerleading culture. In other words, having gay sex does not automatically make them gay in masculine peer culture.”
Dr Anderson, of the University’s Department of Education, said the same situation was also true for the UK.
He believes the positive portrayal of homosexuality on television, the ease with which homosexuals could gradually ‘come out’ by using the internet, the ability for straight men to talk with gay men on the internet, and the decline of religious fundamentalism has made homosexuality and homosexual acts considerably less controversial for university-aged men. This had made revealing the fact they had engaged in homosexual acts easier.
He said the study was not biased by talking to sportsmen who were now cheerleaders, which is often seen as a feminine activity. Those he interviewed were selected to represent men that considered themselves traditionally masculine, typical American Football players.
Dr Anderson was the first openly gay male high school sports coach in the US. He left coaching after one of his students was assaulted because it was assumed that he was gay. Dr Anderson is now working in the field of sport sociology at the University of Bath, and is the author of In the Game, Gay Athletes and the Cult of Masculinity.
“Men have traditionally been reluctant to do anything associated with homosexuality because they feared being perceived gay,” he said. “There has been pressure on them to conform to the notion that being male is about having traditionally masculine traits, in terms of dress, behaviours and sexual activities.
“But as more men are open about their varieties of sexuality, it becomes less stigmatized to be gay or to have sex with men. It is increasingly not a problem to act in otherwise non-traditional ways.
“I see this in other areas of my research too, including how men behave in straight nightclubs, where I find that university-aged men dance as much with each other than with women, and how heterosexual men are increasingly free to wear clothing styles or colours that once were taboo for them.
“This isn’t something that would have happened ten or twenty years ago. Times are changing and they are changing rapidly for men of this age.”
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071029100619.htm
Study: Over One-third Of Former American Football Players Had Sexual Relations With Men
ScienceDaily (Oct. 30, 2007) — A study of former high-school American Football players has found that more than a third said they had had sexual relations with other men.
In his study of homosexuality among sportsmen in the US, sociologist Dr Eric Anderson found that 19 in a sample of 47 had taken part in acts intended to sexually arouse other men, ranging from kissing to mutual masturbation and oral sex.
The 47 men, aged 18-23, were all American Football players who previously played at the high school (secondary school) level but had failed to be picked for their university’s team and were now cheerleaders instead. They were at various universities from the American south, Mid-West, west and north west.
While i question this sample size and i'm sure various other statistical parts the study. The fact that he only picked male cheerleaders to test this result shouldn't surprise anyone.
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(http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/files/u26/esera1.jpg)
you would look good on that cover too.
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I just hope more football people will come out of the closet. They should not be repressed nor should repression be encouraged.
Football is just a vehicle for heterosexual men to explore homo eroticism but the problem I have is that although they seek out the homosexual aspect of it all, they completely deny that it exists and they completely deny that is what a lot of them seek. Some even are violent about it as they pretend to hate what they crave.
I think a lot of these people have convinced themselves of a false perception regarding their own desires and wants and have built up so many social barriers and readily set themselves inside their own mental prison in effect that their "TRUE" self never escapes. Instead, they only seek to trap others with a similar disposition in their prison, all the while keeping the walls high to all onlookers so that the secret goings on are safe.
I say TEAR DOWN THAT WALL you closeted faux Heterosexuals!
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Humans evolved NOT because of their physicality, but because of an increase in brain size and expansion of the frontal lobe.
The previous hominid species who were more inclined to aggressiveness and lower brained predation all are extinct.
Perhaps it's the remnants of the reptilian brain.
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I just hope more football people will come out of the closet. They should not be repressed nor should repression be encouraged.
Football is just a vehicle for heterosexual men to explore homo eroticism but the problem I have is that although they seek out the homosexual aspect of it all, they completely deny that it exists and they completely deny that is what a lot of them seek. Some even are violent about it as they pretend to hate what they crave.
I think a lot of these people have convinced themselves of a false perception regarding their own desires and wants and have built up so many social barriers and readily set themselves inside their own mental prison in effect that their "TRUE" self never escapes. Instead, they only seek to trap others with a similar disposition in their prison, all the while keeping the walls high to all onlookers so that the secret goings on are safe.
I say TEAR DOWN THAT WALL you closeted faux Heterosexuals!
Stick played highschool football with a friend who later dropped out and became a cheerleader. To this day stick knows that he is still single. He is a cheerleader for LSU and many of us joked about his sexuality in highschool. I wonder now.
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No, TA just because your parents own a Bentley dealership doen't automatically entitle you to a Bentley. BTW, you made a post saying that quite a while ago, I remembered because I found it halarious.
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No, TA just because your parents own a Bentley dealership doen't automatically entitle you to a Bentley. BTW, you made a post saying that quite a while ago, I remembered because I found it halarious.
There is only one in the Carolina's and it is located in High Point, so maybe TA is telling the truth.
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No, TA just because your parents own a Bentley dealership doen't automatically entitle you to a Bentley. BTW, you made a post saying that quite a while ago, I remembered because I found it halarious.
1: You can't spell
2: Show us the post
3: You like sticky studs.
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I just hope more football people will come out of the closet. They should not be repressed nor should repression be encouraged.
Football is just a vehicle for heterosexual men to explore homo eroticism but the problem I have is that although they seek out the homosexual aspect of it all, they completely deny that it exists and they completely deny that is what a lot of them seek. Some even are violent about it as they pretend to hate what they crave.
I think a lot of these people have convinced themselves of a false perception regarding their own desires and wants and have built up so many social barriers and readily set themselves inside their own mental prison in effect that their "TRUE" self never escapes. Instead, they only seek to trap others with a similar disposition in their prison, all the while keeping the walls high to all onlookers so that the secret goings on are safe.
I say TEAR DOWN THAT WALL you closeted faux Heterosexuals!
This coming from the guy who spends HOURS on a bodybuilding website each day and that posts dozens of pictures of "ripped" 6'3 male models. You won't recover :-\
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SS,
1. Then why did he ask where I got that from.
2. "If my parents owned a Bentely dealership, I would be driving a Bentely" (paraphrased)
3. Debussey said his parents were dead.
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No, TA just because your parents own a Bentley dealership doen't automatically entitle you to a Bentley. BTW, you made a post saying that quite a while ago, I remembered because I found it halarious.
Please find it.
You have such a poor memory and lack of comprehension. I simply said there is a LARGE Bentley dealership where I live along with a Lamborghini, Ferrari Dealership.
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Nice typical gb thread, from genetics to evolution to homosexuality, just because someone has better genetics????
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Nice typical gb thread, from genetics to evolution to homosexuality, just because someone has better genetics????
Propensity towards Obesity does have its advantages during times of famine. This is true.
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Don't think he'd be in the NFL if he were "obese", pretty sure the medical exam would have caught that, or do you know better..LOL!
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Propensity towards Obesity does have its advantages during times of famine. This is true.
Must be true because you say so....
It is also true, evidently, this guy Brian has better genetics than you :D
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Wow, that sounds like a great attitude that is conducive to a positive society. You see, what this tells me that this isn`t about football at all. Deep inside you have this latent rage similar to what psychotic antisocial killer have lurking that is bottled and volatile looking for a release. The above feelings you described are no different than a serial killer hell-bent satisfying his violent and/or sexual urge oblivious to whatever destruction he may cause to humanity around him.
You claim you can turn it on and off at will and that is EXACTLY how the psychotic describe their patterns of behavior. From reading the above, I gather you revel when the switch is thrown to the on position which to me, is a sick behavior.
I ask you, since your high school football career ENDED in utter dead-ended failure, where now do you go to release your anger? What is your current outlet? Wife-beating? Serial Killing? Animal Torture? Republican Teabag rallies?
Well, i had scholarships to Furman, Clemson, University of South Carolina, Appalachian Sate, Liberty and some other schools in the Carolinas but i was kicked out of the house at 16 and had to find a roommate. I see that you never played any kind of sport in High School or college. It is easily switched on and off and i have coach Squires to thank for that (Mr. South Carolina). I finished college and moved down to where i reside now and help children who have Epilepsy as do i and teach them football and that their life is not over and they can be just as normal as anyone else. I LSD have cancer and so does my mother and she has also lost her eye but i bought her a house and i have her taking care of. I still love the guys that i fought with Friday and Saturday nights but we always wished that we could have been in some kinda of Twink Sport. I have two Basset Hounds and they have life good and they love life on the beach. I would ask my g/f how i treat her but she has it made also. I have no idea about getting teabagging but i believe that you may have gotten teabagged in highschool more then just once and liked it! :D
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Well, i had scholarships to Furman, Clemson, University of South Carolina, Appalachian Sate, Liberty and some other schools in the Carolinas but i was kicked out of the house at 16 and had to find a roommate. I see that you never played any kind of sport in High School or college. It is easily switched on and off and i have coach Squires to thank for that (Mr. South Carolina). I finished college and moved down to where i reside now and help children who have Epilepsy as do i and teach them football and that their life is not over and they can be just as normal as anyone else. I LSD have cancer and so does my mother and she has also lost her eye but i bought her a house and i have her taking care of. I still love the guys that i fought with Friday and Saturday nights but we always wished that we could have been in some kinda of Twink Sport. I have two Basset Hounds and they have life good and they love life on the beach. I would ask my g/f how i treat her but she has it made also. I have no idea about getting teabagging but i believe that you may have gotten teabagged in highschool more then just once and liked it! :D
Who kicked you out of the house and why? I find this fascinating. What would cause a parent to do such a thing?
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Don't think he'd be in the NFL if he were "obese", pretty sure the medical exam would have caught that, or do you know better..LOL!
Based on body index, 56% of NFL players are obese
By Nanci Hellmich, USA TODAY
A new study finds what may seem obvious to even casual observers: Many National Football League players are obese.
But the scope of the problem may be more serious than fans realize. Researchers using the standard measure of excess weight conclude that more than half of the NFL players are dangerously heavy.
The NFL disputes these findings. And some fitness and medical experts say the study is flawed because it only uses body mass index (BMI), a height and weight ratio that does not consider muscle vs. fat.
The study of 2,168 NFL players, ages 21 to 44, by researchers at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill adds to mounting evidence that some football players are paying a steep price in health and longevity.
Researchers analyzed the players' BMI in a study that appears in today's Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings include:
56% of players qualify as obese, roughly 30 or more pounds over a healthy weight.
About 26% of football players qualify as severely obese, and 3% are morbidly obese.
The researchers made no correlation between team rankings and the players' weight in the 2003-04 season, the study period. But the Arizona Cardinals had the highest average BMI and the worst record in their division.
"You can look at some of these players and see they are not all muscle. There is excess fat there," says lead researcher Joyce Harp, an associate professor of nutrition and medicine.
Counters NFL spokesman Greg Aiello: "We do not comment on medical research that we consider substandard. This is not a serious medical study."
He says the league has appointed a medical panel to study players' cardiovascular health. "It's a part of an ongoing priority to protect the health and safety of our players."
Fitness researcher Steven Blair, president of the Cooper Institute in Dallas, says BMI alone is not a valid measure when applied to NFL players. "These guys are muscular. They weigh a lot, and they have high BMIs, but we cannot conclude that this is the same as obesity."
The National Institutes of Health's obesity guidelines say that very muscular people may have a BMI placing them in an overweight category when they are not actually fat.
Still, some professional football players are indeed too heavy, says Mackie Shilstone, director of health and fitness for the Ochsner Clinic Foundation in New Orleans. He has helped evaluate the physical condition of more than 300 NFL players.
"You cannot just look at the BMI of these players. You must look at total-percent body fat and waist measurement, because abdominal obesity is the biggest risk to a man.
"The players who are at greatest risk for heart disease, diabetes and stroke are the offensive and defensive linemen," Shilstone says. "They are the walking dead; they just don't know it. And they need to do something about it."
The new study builds on earlier research indicating that players are vulnerable to sleep apnea, a disorder that causes people to stop breathing while sleeping.
Excess weight is a major contributor to sleep apnea and is considered a possible factor in last year's death of former footballer Reggie White, who played at weights topping 290 pounds. Obesity increases the risk of heart disease, high blood pressure and diabetes.
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Obesity Rampant in NFL, Study Says
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,149131,00.html
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Who kicked you out of the house and why? I find this fascinating. What would cause a parent to do such a thing?
That was/is the way my family has treated the men of the family. I turned 14 and had to work full time and pay for room, food, utilities, car, Tanning bed, gas, clothes and anything that i wanted. I was not babied and showed that their was a harsh ass world awaiting me. I was asked to leave at 16 and i still played sports full time, worked out full time and worked full time and going to see many Dr's which i had to pay for also. I also had to find a roommate because i was not 18 and was not eligible for credit, so, i found one guy that knew that i was good when it came to paying my bills and he let me stay there till i graduated highschool. I had enough credits to graduate at 16 but i wanted to have a class that i came in with and one that i left with, having lived in 26 states and being privately taught and through public schools. My mom told me when i was 16 that life was tough and to, "Harden the fuck up." I did and i thank her everyday for that and not babying me.
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Bulky NFL players risk early death
Those dead by 50 often were obese, had heart disease
By THOMAS HARGROVE
The amazing athletes of the National Football League -- bigger and stronger than ever before -- are dying young at a rate experts find alarming, and many of the players are succumbing to ailments typically related to weight.
The heaviest athletes are more than twice as likely to die before their 50th birthday than their teammates, according to a Scripps Howard News Service study of 3,850 professional football players who have died in the last century.
Most of the 130 players born since 1955 who have died were among the heaviest athletes in sports history, according to the study. One-fifth died of heart diseases, and 77 were so overweight that doctors would have classified them as obese, the study found.
The bone-crushing competitiveness of professional football is spawning hundreds of these behemoths -- many of whom top the scales at 300 pounds or more -- and the pressure to "supersize" now extends to younger players in college and high school.
Both the Seattle Seahawks and the Pittsburgh Steelers have big guys on their rosters. The biggest Seahawk is Floyd "Pork Chop" Womack, at 333 pounds. The Steelers' Max Stark weighs in at 337.
As Americans anticipate Sunday's Super Bowl -- the annual orgy of admiration for the NFL and its athletes -- physicians are increasingly questioning whether, by bulking up for their shot at fame and fortune, players are sacrificing their health later in life.
"Clearly, these big, fat guys are having coronaries," said Charles Yesalis, a Penn State professor of health policy and sport science.
The trend lines are even more disturbing.
Twenty years ago, it was rare for a player to weigh 300 pounds. But more than 500 players were listed at that weight or more on NFL training-camp rosters last summer -- including San Francisco 49ers guard Thomas Herrion, who collapsed and died after an exhibition game in August.
The relatively recent explosion in the number of 300-pound linemen "presents a frightening picture in terms of what we might expect 20 years from now," said Dr. Sherry Baron, who studied the issue in 1994 for the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health.
Baron's study, conducted at the request of the NFL Players Association, found that although players generally weren't dying sooner than average, offensive and defensive linemen had a 52 percent greater risk of dying from heart disease than the general population. The threat isn't lost on retired players, who acknowledge that they are spooked by the potential problems they now face.
"Do you see any oversized animals anywhere in the world living a long life?" asked Tony Siragusa, a 340-pound defensive tackle for 12 seasons with the Indianapolis Colts and Baltimore Ravens. "We're pretty much on our own here."
The Scripps Howard study tracked the deaths of 3,850 pro football players born since 1905. Medical examiners and coroners were contacted to determine the causes of death for the 130 players who died before age 50. The study found:
Twenty-eight percent of all pro football players born in the past century who qualified as obese died before their 50th birthday, compared with 13 percent who were less overweight.
One of every 69 players born since 1955 is now dead.
Twenty-two percent of those players died of heart diseases; 19 percent died from homicides or suicides.
Seventy-seven percent of those who died of heart diseases qualified as obese, even during their playing days, and they were 2 1/2 times more likely to die of coronaries than trimmer teammates.
Only 10 percent of deceased players born from 1905 through 1914 were obese while active. Today, 56 percent of all players on NFL rosters are considered obese.
The average weight in the NFL has grown 10 percent since 1985 to a current average of 248 pounds. The heaviest position, offensive tackle, went from 281 pounds two decades ago to 318 pounds.
The NFL has expressed concern about whether players are obese and risking health problems.
Forgotten in the frenzy surrounding Super Bowl XL is the tragic way the season started. The 6-foot-3, 315-pound Herrion collapsed in the 49ers' locker room after the team's preseason game Aug. 20 in Denver. An autopsy showed that his heart was scarred and oversized and that heart disease had blocked his right coronary artery. He was only 23.
Defensive lineman William "The Refrigerator" Perry almost single-handedly brought 300- pounders into vogue when he became a pop sensation for the Chicago Bears. As a goal-line running back, he bulled his way to a touchdown in Super Bowl XX in 1986. Perry, who topped out at 370 pounds during his career, said he has actually gained some weight in retirement but tries not to dwell on the risks.
"I've been big all my life," Perry said. "Mental attitude is as important as your physical condition after the NFL. I try to keep a happy balance."
Several retired players said they believe that losing weight is an issue of life or death.
"We've all got to remember to shed that armor when our NFL career is over," said Jim Lachey, who is 25 pounds lighter since the days he weighed 294 while an offensive tackle for San Diego, Oakland and Washington from 1985 to 1995. "But, I know, there are others with injuries that prevent them from running and doing the things they must do to shed the weight."
Tony Mandarich -- nicknamed "The Incredible Bulk" while playing guard at 325 pounds for the Green Bay Packers -- said he gained even more weight after retiring and soon was put on high-blood-pressure medicine.
"My doctor asked me, 'How many 320-pound men who are 80 years old do you see walking around?' That's when the light bulb came on over my head," Mandarich said.
He changed his diet, began hiking and mountain-biking regularly, and shed 60 pounds. "That doesn't mean I won't die of a heart attack at 39, but I've given myself the best chance," said Mandarich, who is 39 now.
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OBESITY.
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Are you jealous of these men playing football and making millions?
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That was/is the way my family has treated the men of the family. I turned 14 and had to work full time and pay for room, food, utilities, car, Tanning bed, gas, clothes and anything that i wanted. I was not babied and showed that their was a harsh ass world awaiting me. I was asked to leave at 16 and i still played sports full time, worked out full time and worked full time and going to see many Dr's which i had to pay for also. I also had to find a roommate because i was not 18 and was not eligible for credit, so, i found one guy that knew that i was good when it came to paying my bills and he let me stay there till i graduated highschool. I had enough credits to graduate at 16 but i wanted to have a class that i came in with and one that i left with, having lived in 26 states and being privately taught and through public schools. My mom told me when i was 16 that life was tough and to, "Harden the fuck up." I did and i thank her everyday for that and not babying me.
Sorry, but your parents are horribly uneducated if they purposely wanted to make your life more difficult instead of easier all for no apparent reason.
This is the middle class to lower class mentality and why they never break in to the upper ranks of society.
What would have happened if you refused to move out? I bet nothing.
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That was/is the way my family has treated the men of the family. I turned 14 and had to work full time and pay for room, food, utilities, car, Tanning bed, gas, clothes and anything that i wanted. I was not babied and showed that their was a harsh ass world awaiting me. I was asked to leave at 16 and i still played sports full time, worked out full time and worked full time and going to see many Dr's which i had to pay for also. I also had to find a roommate because i was not 18 and was not eligible for credit, so, i found one guy that knew that i was good when it came to paying my bills and he let me stay there till i graduated highschool. I had enough credits to graduate at 16 but i wanted to have a class that i came in with and one that i left with, having lived in 26 states and being privately taught and through public schools. My mom told me when i was 16 that life was tough and to, "Harden the fuck up." I did and i thank her everyday for that and not babying me.
You were sheltered.
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Sorry, but your parents are horribly uneducated if they purposely wanted to make your life more difficult instead of easier all for no apparent reason.
This is the middle class to lower class mentality and why they never break in to the upper ranks of society.
What would have happened if you refused to move out? I bet nothing.
You are wrong. My mom went to college and my dad was well off and they learned the hard way and so did i. Me and my G/F have talked about children but i would not want them to get success the way that i did. I was living in a million dollar house and then left to go to a $1200 apartment, big downer but i learned alot and much more then if i just got something handed to me. Now, i have two homes in Bradenton, Florida and one for my mother and one for me and i pay for her a nurse to be with her at all times. Life was hard and i loved every minute of it and would not take any of it back.
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You are wrong. My mom went to college and my dad was well off and they learned the hard way and so did i. Me and my G/F have talked about children but i would not want them to get success the way that i did. I was living in a million dollar house and then left to go to a $1200 apartment, big downer but i learned alot and much more then if i just got something handed to me. Now, i have two homes in Bradenton, Florida and one for my mother and one for me and i pay for her a nurse to be with her at all times. Life was hard and i loved every minute of it and would not take any of it back.
Ok I get it. Your parents were extremely wealthy so there was never a threat of ending up in a homeless shelter.
This "hard living" was all a sham and you knew it to be as such since you were never at immediate risk for danger.
With that said, I find people with this mentality a HUGE burden to the people who actually NEED the assistance. Parents, who could have afforded to pay for their children and then don`t, force the children to seek assistance or take loans unnessecarily thus shrinking the pool for the TRULY needy, all because the parent wants to prove some pointless and phony lesson.
You , yourself admitted to having many scholarships where school is paid for. THAT should be for the poor who cannot afford college. NOT YOU. Your parents could afford it. This is truly sickening to the less fortunate who do lack the familial backing to send their child to college.
It makes me sick to think how many truly needy people are unable to get the assistance or jobs they need, all because some well to do, douchebag parent wants to teach their child a lesson when they do not have to.
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Ok I get it. Your parents were extremely wealthy so there was never a threat of ending up in a homeless shelter.
This "hard living" was all a sham and you knew it to be as such since you were never at immediate risk for danger.
With that said, I find people with this mentality a HUGE burden to the people who actually NEED the assistance. Parents, who could have afforded to pay for their children and then don`t, force the children to seek assistance or take loans unnessecarily thus shrinking the pool for the TRULY needy, all because the parent wants to prove some pointless and phony lesson.
You , yourself admitted to having many scholarships where school is paid for. THAT should be for the poor who cannot afford college. NOT YOU. Your parents could afford it.
It makes me sick to think how many truly needy people are unable to get the assistance or jobs they need, all because some well to do, douchebag parent wants to teach their child a lesson when they do not have to.
Greenville, S.C. is not the ghetto you dunce! My knees were done at the age of 18 and i could no longer play football and i went to Greenville Tech for one year, transferred to Clemson and then finished out at MICHIGAN for my final two years. I paid for everything and i am still paying for student loans. Why in the hell would i wanted my parents to pay for college? I was a man and i am a man.
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Greenville, S.C. is not the ghetto you dunce! My knees were done at the age of 18 and i could no longer play football and i went to Greenville Tech for one year, transferred to Clemson and then finished out at MICHIGAN for my final two years. I paid for everything and i am still paying for student loans. Why in the hell would i wanted my parents to pay for college? I was a man and i am a man.
You are contributing to driving up the inflationary costs for ALL students by accepting loans when your parents could have paid for them. You are taking money from families who TRULY need it as they have no familial wealth to send their children to school. You are saddling yourself with debt which forces you to pay interest thus expanding the Academic Industrial Complex that shackles the average person looking to go to college. You are creating a false demand for loans which in turn boosts inflation.
There is no correlation of "being a man" and being saddled with debt. There is nothing "manly" or "noble" by bragging that you have unnessecary debt to pay.
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You are contributing to driving up the inflationary costs for ALL students by accepting loans when your parents could have paid for them. You are taking money from families who TRULY need it as they have no familial wealth to send their children to school. You are saddling yourself with debt which forces you to pay interest thus expanding the Academic Industrial Complex that shackles the average person looking to go to college. You are creating a false demand for loans which in turn boosts inflation.
There is no correlation of "being a man" and being saddled with debt. There is nothing "manly" or "noble" by bragging that you have unnessecary debt to pay.
So, my parents should have just paid for everything? I think that i would rather have taking the loans that i paid back pretty quick and i almost have my last paid loan off. My mom had/has cancer and i would rather her have the treatments done and she had no insurance. I was 18 and i think that i did it it the right way. Go drive some Bentleys or something. I would never have taking anything from anybody. I am saddled with debt....i love my Beacon score. I just shed a tear for you :'(
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So, my parents should have just paid for everything? I think that i would rather have taking the loans that i paid back pretty quick and i almost have my last paid loan off. My mom had/has cancer and i would rather her have the treatments done and she had no insurance. I was 18 and i think that i did it it the right way. Go drive some Bentleys or something. I would never have taking anything from anybody. I am saddled with debt....i love my Beacon score. I just shed a tear for you :'(
I shed a tear for your mother because she did not have Universal Healthcare.
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I shed a tear for your mother because she did not have Universal Healthcare.
Good luck on your fight against everyone in the NFL and fighting the cough obesity problem in the NFL. I hope everyone in life gives you everything and you never have to earn anything...I really do
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On shit for sure!! Approx. 80-90 percent of NFL players are on shit. Why would this canadian be any different? ;)
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On shit for sure!! Approx. 80-90 percent of NFL players are on shit. Why would this canadian be any different? ;)
:)
lol "canadian"
Are you in the resturaunt industry per chance?
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Based on body index, 56% of NFL players are obese
By Nanci Hellmich, USA TODAY
A new study finds what may seem obvious to even casual observers: Many National Football League players are obese.
But the scope of the problem may be more serious than fans realize. Researchers using the standard measure of excess weight conclude that more than half of the NFL players are dangerously heavy.
The NFL disputes these findings. And some fitness and medical experts say the study is flawed because it only uses body mass index (BMI), a height and weight ratio that does not consider muscle vs. fat.
The study of 2,168 NFL players, ages 21 to 44, by researchers at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill adds to mounting evidence that some football players are paying a steep price in health and longevity.
Researchers analyzed the players' BMI in a study that appears in today's Journal of the American Medical Association. The findings include:
56% of players qualify as obese, roughly 30 or more pounds over a healthy weight.
About 26% of football players qualify as severely obese, and 3% are morbidly obese.
The researchers made no correlation between team rankings and the players' weight in the 2003-04 season, the study period. But the Arizona Cardinals had the highest average BMI and the worst record in their division.
"You can look at some of these players and see they are not all muscle. There is excess fat there," says lead researcher Joyce Harp, an associate professor of nutrition and medicine.
Counters NFL spokesman Greg Aiello: "We do not comment on medical research that we consider substandard. This is not a serious medical study."
He says the league has appointed a medical panel to study players' cardiovascular health. "It's a part of an ongoing priority to protect the health and safety of our players."
Fitness researcher Steven Blair, president of the Cooper Institute in Dallas, says BMI alone is not a valid measure when applied to NFL players. "These guys are muscular. They weigh a lot, and they have high BMIs, but we cannot conclude that this is the same as obesity."
The National Institutes of Health's obesity guidelines say that very muscular people may have a BMI placing them in an overweight category when they are not actually fat.
Still, some professional football players are indeed too heavy, says Mackie Shilstone, director of health and fitness for the Ochsner Clinic Foundation in New Orleans. He has helped evaluate the physical condition of more than 300 NFL players.
"You cannot just look at the BMI of these players. You must look at total-percent body fat and waist measurement, because abdominal obesity is the biggest risk to a man.
"The players who are at greatest risk for heart disease, diabetes and stroke are the offensive and defensive linemen," Shilstone says. "They are the walking dead; they just don't know it. And they need to do something about it."
The new study builds on earlier research indicating that players are vulnerable to sleep apnea, a disorder that causes people to stop breathing while sleeping.
Excess weight is a major contributor to sleep apnea and is considered a possible factor in last year's death of former footballer Reggie White, who played at weights topping 290 pounds. Obesity increases the risk of heart disease, high blood pressure and diabetes.
TA, you put more spin on shit when your wrong more so than CNN and 240. Read again and note the highlighted. Then you have one genius in the article saying "you can tell by looking at them" what an idiot.
So in short, owners who put out millions in salaries are going to risk having an "obese" person having a heart attack on the field. Another lib with zero commonsense.
Who are the tested players? By insurance standards all bodybuilders would be considered "obese". ::)
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TA, are you a Pacifist? If so, why do you feel it is a superior moral position? If not, why do you denigrate and ridicule any expression of natural and inherent male aggression even if it's channeled in what most, though apparentlly not you, consider a positive outlet? This includes not only football players but say, MMA fighters and even our soldiers whose primarily purpose is to defend this country which means to kill people and destroy things.
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TA, are you a Pacifist? If so, why do you feel it is a superior moral position? If not, why do you denigrate and ridicule any expression of natural and inherent male aggression even if it's channeled in what most, though apparentlly not you, consider a positive outlet? This includes not only football players but say, MMA fighters and even our soldiers whose primarily purpose is to defend this country which means to kill people and destroy things.
I am a pacifist and yes I believe it to be a superior position to aggression.
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I am a pacifist and yes I believe it to be a superior position to aggression.
Now just to be clear and that we are talking about the same thing, I consider a pacifist as one who believes that the use of violence and aggression is always wrong. Of course, most believe that if a dispute can be resolved in a non-violent manner that is superior than resorting to aggression. But in the real world, where we do have violent and ruthless people, is violence ever justified? What do we do with a person or a nation that wants to kill and destroy you?
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Now just to be clear and that we are talking about the same thing, I consider a pacifist as one who believes that the use of violence and aggression is always wrong. Of course, most believe that if a dispute can be resolved in a non-violent manner that is superior than resorting to aggression. But in the real world, where we do have violent and ruthless people, is violence ever justified? What do we do with a person or a nation that wants to kill and destroy you?
Give me a "real-world" example and not a hypothetical and I will tell you how I would respond.
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Give me a "real-world" example and not a hypothetical and I will tell you how I would respond.
How would you have responded to Nazi Fascism or Japanese Imperialism? How would you stop the SS from rounding up Jews and taking them to concentration camps? Say, you are on one of your walks and you happen to notice that the lovely Jezebelle is being ganged raped. How would you respond?
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How would you have responded to Nazi Fascism or Japanese Imperialism? How would you stop the SS from rounding up Jews and taking them to concentration camps? Say, you are on one of your walks and you happen to notice that the lovely Jezebelle is being ganged raped. How would you respond?
In that case, force is justified.
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In that case, force is justified.
So, at least as I understand it, you are not a Pacifist. A Pacifist is one who believes that all violence and aggression is wrong, such in the case of Ghandi who advocated surrendering to the Nazis. You believe, if I understand you correctly, is that given the choice peaceful resolutions always trumps violent ones. I believe this is the position of the majority. Of course, where one draws the line and resorts to violence may vary widely.
In Ghandi's case his Pacifism worked fairly well against the British as they were an inherently decent society. Pacifism against the Nazis would have led to a far different world.
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So, at least as I understand it, you are not a Pacifist. A Pacifist is one who believes that all violence and aggression is wrong, such in the case of Ghandi who advocated surrendering to the Nazis. You believe, if I understand you correctly, is that given the choice peaceful resolutions always trumps violent ones. I believe this is the position of the majority. Of course, where one draws the line and resorts to violence may vary widely.
In Ghandi's case his Pacifism worked fairly well against the British as they were an inherently decent society. Pacifism against the Nazis would have led to a far different world.
Wrong.
You do not have to subscribe to absolutes to be a Pacifist, nor is it an all or nothing mentality.
Pacifism can just as easily be measured and determined by what constitutes the greater good and causes or uses the least aggressive tactics possible.
Pacifism does NOT have to be based on absolution.
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Anyone going from Tx to the redkins is a fkn traiter!!!!!!!!!
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Wrong.
You do not have to subscribe to absolutes to be a Pacifist, nor is it an all or nothing mentality.
Pacifism can just as easily be measured and determined by what constitutes the greater good and causes or uses the least aggressive tactics possible.
Pacifism does NOT have to be based on absolution.
pacifist
pacifism definition
paci·fism (pas′ə fiz′əm)
noun
opposition to the use of force under any circumstances; specif., refusal for reasons of conscience to participate in war or any military action
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So what makes your Pacifism different from anybody else? Or the majority of the people that would rather have peaceful resolutions than violent ones?
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pacifist
pacifism definition
paci·fism (pas′ə fiz′əm)
noun
opposition to the use of force under any circumstances; specif., refusal for reasons of conscience to participate in war or any military action
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So what makes your Pacifism different from anybody else? Or the majority of the people that would rather have peaceful resolutions than violent ones?
Dictionaries are not written in stone, nor do they have a one-size fits all, Universal application. A dictionary is not an absolute either and is constantly changing and evolving with our zeitgeist.
I will refer you to Steven Pinker and what he says on this subject as he sits on the board of a major dictionary. Please Watch-
http://fora.tv/2008/09/12/Steven_Pinker_The_Stuff_of_Thought#chapter_09
I am sure I could just as easily find a different definition in another dictionary.
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Dictionaries are not written in stone, nor do they have a one-size fits all, Universal application. A dictionary is not an absolute either and is constantly changing and evolving with our zeitgeist.
I will refer you to Steven Pinker and what he says on this subject as he sits on the board of a major dictionary. Please Watch-
http://fora.tv/2008/09/12/Steven_Pinker_The_Stuff_of_Thought#chapter_09
I am sure I could just as easily find a different definition in another dictionary.
Adonis, what do you do for a living?
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You are quite right in regard to dictionary definitions. I used it as it is something you often do especially in regard to your google cut and paste. It's OK to use when it suits your arguments but not when it fails to correspond to the "changing and evolving zeitgeist" that may happen to be your flavor of the month.
When one defines Pacifism as say an opposition to war what does that mean? I take it to mean that one is oppose to war -- all war. Of course some may take that to mean that they oppose war except for the times when you have to fight them. You say pacifism, i.e., non violence, is superior to aggression. So do I, and so do most people, though most people don't consider themselves pacifist. How do we differ? Again, to repeat a previous question, how does your pacifism differ from what most people believe since you don't believe in force except when force is justified?
BTW, I'm at work and my responses may be haphazard.
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You are quite right in regard to dictionary definitions. I used it as it is something you often do especially in regard to your google cut and paste. It's OK to use when it suits your arguments but not when it fails to correspond to the "changing and evolving zeitgeist" that may happen to be your flavor of the month.
When one defines Pacifism as say an opposition to war what does that mean? I take it to mean that one is oppose to war -- all war. Of course some may take that to mean that they oppose war except for the times when you have to fight them. You say pacifism, i.e., non violence, is superior to aggression. So do I, and so do most people, though most people don't consider themselves pacifist. How do we differ? Again, to repeat a previous question, how does your pacifism differ from what most people believe since you don't believe in force except when force is justified?
BTW, I'm at work and my responses may be haphazard.
1. I have never relied on a dictionary as an absolute. I have a few hundred posts here regarding Neology and Neologisms, which I promote and which I am highly interested in. If I use a dictionary, it is simply as a basis and not an absolute or it is in jest or satire. I think you realize this or at least I hope you now do. Perhaps, if I do it again, I shall make a disclaimer, although I would rather have leave it to your own interpretation as to TRULY recognize irony or satire, one must have an epiphany on their own for the total effect. Although, one can be taught it most certainly. Tell me if you would like a disclaimer from now on, and I will try and work them in as I see fit.
2. Pacifism is not an absolute as I have noted earlier. My pacifism may differ from your pacifism and the only way to know if that is the case is to provide real examples or hypotheticals. When we find one where we disagree on the use or the level of force, you will then have a clear view of just how and why we would differ. Since Pacifism is not an absolute, it is IMPOSSIBLE to explain or define it in absolute terms.
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I notice that you become quite heated and sarcastic when you are challenged.
Why do you assume I considered a dictionary definition absolute?
Since you consider Pacifism (and from other posts of yours that I've read this seems to include most terms and idealogies) highly elastic and subject to whatever interpretation that suits you best then all becomes meaningless and is just whatever you want it to be. That explains your moral relativism. No real absolute right or wrong. It just depends. What ever the UN decides. It's all good, eh?
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I notice that you become quite heated and sarcastic when you are challenged.
Why do you assume I considered a dictionary definition absolute?
Since you consider Pacifism (and from other posts of yours that I've read this seems to include most terms and idealogies) highly elastic and subject to whatever interpretation that suits you best then all becomes meaningless and is just whatever you want it to be. That explains your moral relativism. No real absolute right or wrong. It just depends. What ever the UN decides. It's all good, eh?
I am not assuming that you take a dictionary as absolute. You assumed that I did.
Morality is NEVER absolute and is comprised of many changing factors. Just because there is no absolution, does not automatically render everything meaningless. That is a leap in logic equivalent to scaling a mountain in one bound.
There are some areas we will agree on and some we surely will not. If you want to classify me as anything (which YOU should not as I do not believe in absolute labels) you could classify me as a Democratic Socialist Pacifist Utilitarian. See what I am getting at? You, I and everyone else do not fall neatly in one category. You may want people as pegs to fit neatly in their respective holes, but this is simply an impossibility and the minute you begin to do that, you put false limitations on the individual using your own bias based on whatever you view as the "correct" definition.
Why are you asking about the United Nations?
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I am not assuming that you take a dictionary as absolute. You assumed that I did.
Morality is NEVER absolute and is comprised of many changing factors. Just because there is no absolution, does not automatically render everything meaningless. That is a leap in logic equivalent to scaling a mountain in one bound.
There are some areas we will agree on and some we surely will not. If you want to classify me as anything (which YOU should not as I do not believe in absolute labels) you could classify me as a Democratic Socialist Pacifist Utilitarian. See what I am getting at? You, I and everyone else do not fall neatly in one category. You may want people as pegs to fit neatly in their respective holes, but this is simply an impossibility and the minute you begin to do that, you put false limitations on the individual using your own bias based on whatever you view as the "correct" definition.
Why are you asking about the United Nations?
When I asked if you were a Pacifist you said you were. You attached that label unto yourself.
I believe in moral absolutes. Without moral absolutes then morality does become meaningless in the sense that what is right or wrong is whatever you say it is. It's the world according to TA which befits your malignant narcissism. Which is indeed scaling a mountain in a single bound.
I thought you would get the UN reference.
Keep posting pictures of yourself
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When I asked if you were a Pacifist you said you were. You attached that label unto yourself.
I believe in moral absolutes. Without moral absolutes then morality does become meaningless in the sense that what is right or wrong is whatever you say it is. It's the world according to TA which befits your malignant narcissism. Which is indeed scaling a mountain in a single bound.
I thought you would get the UN reference.
Keep posting pictures of yourself
Since you believe in absolutes, how do you answer these two scenarios and please explain the basis of your decision and how it applies and/or defines your moral absolutism and what aspects of your answer are morally absolute.
Side Note: I will have new pics up soon, ripped and bigger than ever. Hope you get a chance to view them....Now on to your assignment below.
Scenario #1
You are an inmate in a concentration camp. A sadistic guard is about to hang your son who tried to escape and wants you to pull the chair from underneath him. He says that if you don't he will not only kill your son but some other innocent inmate as well. You don't have any doubt that he means what he says. What should you do?
Scenario #2
A train is coming to a Y intersection. On the track it is currently on (Track A), five people are tied to the tracks. On the other track (Track B), one man is tied to the tracks. You are standing beside the track switching lever. What do you do?
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And this one:
In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision.
They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning.
Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard.
As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided?
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I like these kind of questions. If one takes a moral position or makes any claims to a absolute moral foundation they should be willing, even eager, to defend them. But I take umbrage at your condescending tone ("now on to your assignment") one that is a defining characteristic of your personality and one of the reasons you are so universally disliked.
But I'm a nice guy usually up for fun and games and will indulge you a bit. So due to time constraints and lack of desire (due to your tone) I will just entertain the first scenario. Not for any reason in particular other than it was first.
Just for the sake of clarity I want to tell you that I believe that an act in and of itself is morally neutral. It is the context that determines it's morality. Having sex is a morally neutral act. If forced then it is rape. In another context it is an expression of love. Killing in of itself is morally neutral. Not all killing is wrong. Murder, the killing of an innocent, is always wrong. An example of a moral absolute.
In the first scenario I will put aside the very real possibility when dealing with a sadist that even if I pull the chair and in effect kill my innocent son that he will still kill the other person, me and anybody else he chooses.
That being said, I would not kill my innocent son as I would be guilty of murder and I believe I will have to answer for my sin. The sadistic guard can and will do anything he wants and he too will have to answer for it. There are higher values than just life and it's not always just a matter of body count. There are some things worth dying for and even killing for.
In discussions such as these one should not necessarily look for agreement but rather clarity. I'm pretty sure you won't agree with my decision but I hope, and I am rushed so may have been a bit sloppy, that I was clear.
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I like these kind of questions. If one takes a moral position or makes any claims to a absolute moral foundation they should be willing, even eager, to defend them. But I take umbrage at your condescending tone ("now on to your assignment") one that is a defining characteristic of your personality and one of the reasons you are so universally disliked.
But I'm a nice guy usually up for fun and games and will indulge you a bit. So due to time constraints and lack of desire (due to your tone) I will just entertain the first scenario. Not for any reason in particular other than it was first.
Just for the sake of clarity I want to tell you that I believe that an act in and of itself is morally neutral. It is the context that determines it's morality. Having sex is a morally neutral act. If forced then it is rape. In another context it is an expression of love. Killing in of itself is morally neutral. Not all killing is wrong. Murder, the killing of an innocent, is always wrong. An example of a moral absolute.
In the first scenario I will put aside the very real possibility when dealing with a sadist that even if I pull the chair and in effect kill my innocent son that he will still kill the other person, me and anybody else he chooses.
That being said, I would not kill my innocent son as I would be guilty of murder and I believe I will have to answer for my sin. The sadistic guard can and will do anything he wants and he too will have to answer for it. There are higher values than just life and it's not always just a matter of body count. There are some things worth dying for and even killing for.
In discussions such as these one should not necessarily look for agreement but rather clarity. I'm pretty sure you won't agree with my decision but I hope, and I am rushed so may have been a bit sloppy, that I was clear.
You just exposed yourself as I knew you would. You claim to be a moral absolutist and believe in moral absolutes. You then go on to say that "the context determines the morality".
THIS IS THE TOTAL OPPOSITE OF A MORAL ABSOLUTIST, which you claimed you were originally. (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=278783.msg3946869#msg3946869) YOU ARE NOT A MORAL ABSOLUTIST AS YOU CLAIMED!
Moral absolutism is the meta-ethical view that certain actions are absolutely right or wrong, devoid of the context of the act.
Moral absolutism stands in contrast to categories of ethical theories such as consequentialism and situational ethics, which holds that the morality of an act depends on the consequences or the context of the act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_absolutism
You would do well to learn what moral absolutism is. Perhaps then you can re-label yourself and then come back with another approach. I am glad I have been able to educate you in this matter.
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I like these kind of questions. If one takes a moral position or makes any claims to a absolute moral foundation they should be willing, even eager, to defend them. But I take umbrage at your condescending tone ("now on to your assignment") one that is a defining characteristic of your personality and one of the reasons you are so universally disliked.
But I'm a nice guy usually up for fun and games and will indulge you a bit. So due to time constraints and lack of desire (due to your tone) I will just entertain the first scenario. Not for any reason in particular other than it was first.
Just for the sake of clarity I want to tell you that I believe that an act in and of itself is morally neutral. It is the context that determines it's morality. Having sex is a morally neutral act. If forced then it is rape. In another context it is an expression of love. Killing in of itself is morally neutral. Not all killing is wrong. Murder, the killing of an innocent, is always wrong. An example of a moral absolute.
In the first scenario I will put aside the very real possibility when dealing with a sadist that even if I pull the chair and in effect kill my innocent son that he will still kill the other person, me and anybody else he chooses.
That being said, I would not kill my innocent son as I would be guilty of murder and I believe I will have to answer for my sin. The sadistic guard can and will do anything he wants and he too will have to answer for it. There are higher values than just life and it's not always just a matter of body count. There are some things worth dying for and even killing for.
In discussions such as these one should not necessarily look for agreement but rather clarity. I'm pretty sure you won't agree with my decision but I hope, and I am rushed so may have been a bit sloppy, that I was clear.
With your choice, you caused an additional death of an innocent instead of just one. Given the scenario, your son would have been killed either way but you chose to not save another life and another needlessly died because of your own personal vanity. (although you tried to rationalize your solution by making up your own facts not presented in the scenario thus invalidating and altering the given scenario) So you in effect, would be responsible for a needless death as you could have saved the life of another, knowing your son was going to die either way, and you chose not to.
I would have chosen to pull the chair from under my son as he was going to be shot anyway and I know I would be saving another life. I would have not been responsible for anyones death since my son was going to die anyways by the guard and I would have stopped the needless killing of another.
In this instance, I think my morality is greater than yours as I saved a life. You did not.
Furthermore, you did not take an absolutist position and you are no moral absolutist as you claimed. I encourage you to read on what constitutes moral absolutism so you don`t mislabel yourself in the future.
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You just exposed yourself as I knew you would. You claim to be a moral absolutist and believe in moral absolutes. You then go on to say that "the context determines the morality".
THIS IS THE TOTAL OPPOSITE OF A MORAL ABSOLUTIST, which you claimed you were originally. (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=278783.msg3946869#msg3946869) YOU ARE NOT A MORAL ABSOLUTIST AS YOU CLAIMED!
Moral absolutism is the meta-ethical view that certain actions are absolutely right or wrong, devoid of the context of the act.
Moral absolutism stands in contrast to categories of ethical theories such as consequentialism and situational ethics, which holds that the morality of an act depends on the consequences or the context of the act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_absolutism
You would do well to learn what moral absolutism is. Perhaps then you can re-label yourself and then come back with another approach. I am glad I have been able to educate you in this matter.
That's funny. You're such a kid. You act like you've just won a big victory and "exposed me" as a moral absolutist. One that I freely admitted to and thought the point of the scenarios was to defend that position. Then you cut and paste definitions when you already dismissed them when I did. Then, surprisingly, you fail to distinguish neutrality and context. Claiming that they are incompatible with moral absolutes when I clearly gave you an example. A clear example. Killing in and of itself is morally neutral. Big difference between me putting a Cor Bon high velocity 115 grain jacketed hollow point into your pointy littlehead because I'm sick of you posting pics of yourself in black panties then if you were coming at me with a six inch Tanto screaming, "Die moral absolutist!"
Murder, the killing of an innocent human life, is a subset of the boarder catagory of killing in general, whether is be a terrorist, a fatted cow or an insufferable little pointy head spoiled and pampered child wearing black panties and carrying a knife.
This thread had potential. Now you just bore me.
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That's funny. You're such a kid. You act like you've just won a big victory and "exposed me" as a moral absolutist. One that I freely admitted to and thought the point of the scenarios was to defend that position. Then you cut and paste definitions when you already dismissed them when I did. Then, surprisingly, you fail to distinguish neutrality and context. Claiming that they are incompatible with moral absolutes when I clearly gave you an example. A clear example. Killing in and of itself is morally neutral. Big difference between me putting a Cor Bon high velocity 115 grain jacketed hollow point into your pointy littlehead because I'm sick of you posting pics of yourself in black panties then if you were coming at me with a six inch Tanto screaming, "Die moral absolutist!"
Murder, the killing of an innocent human life, is a subset of the boarder catagory of killing in general, whether is be a terrorist, a fatted cow or an insufferable little pointy head spoiled and pampered child wearing black panties and carrying a knife.
This thread had potential. Now you just bore me.
Again, you are not a moral absolutist as you claim. A moral absolutist is one who does not use context in their judgment. You have gone to great lengths to describe that you do use context. You are the opposite of what you claimed you were. You are not a moral absolutist.
Will you at least concede that you were wrong at calling yourself a moral absolutist?
And in my opinion, given the concentration camp scenario, my morality trumps yours as you could have saved a life, but due to your own personal vanity, you chose not to.
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That's funny. You're such a kid. You act like you've just won a big victory and "exposed me" as a moral absolutist. One that I freely admitted to and thought the point of the scenarios was to defend that position. Then you cut and paste definitions when you already dismissed them when I did. Then, surprisingly, you fail to distinguish neutrality and context. Claiming that they are incompatible with moral absolutes when I clearly gave you an example. A clear example. Killing in and of itself is morally neutral. Big difference between me putting a Cor Bon high velocity 115 grain jacketed hollow point into your pointy littlehead because I'm sick of you posting pics of yourself in black panties then if you were coming at me with a six inch Tanto screaming, "Die moral absolutist!"
Murder, the killing of an innocent human life, is a subset of the boarder catagory of killing in general, whether is be a terrorist, a fatted cow or an insufferable little pointy head spoiled and pampered child wearing black panties and carrying a knife.
This thread had potential. Now you just bore me.
Furthermore, I exposed you as NOT BEING a moral absolutist as you CLAIMED you were. Please try and pay attention.
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Hadronix bringing the ownings 8)
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Hadronix bringing the ownings 8)
Someones gotta do it. 8)
I believe they thank me secretly. At least they go away enlightened.
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Furthermore, I exposed you as NOT BEING a moral absolutist as you CLAIMED you were. Please try and pay attention.
What if the guy he threatened to kill if you didn't pull the chair from your own son was Matt C?
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With your choice, you caused an additional death of an innocent instead of just one. Given the scenario, your son would have been killed either way but you chose to not save another life and another needlessly died because of your own personal vanity. (although you tried to rationalize your solution by making up your own facts not presented in the scenario thus invalidating and altering the given scenario) So you in effect, would be responsible for a needless death as you could have saved the life of another, knowing your son was going to die either way, and you chose not to.
I would have chosen to pull the chair from under my son as he was going to be shot anyway and I know I would be saving another life. I would have not been responsible for anyones death since my son was going to die anyways by the guard and I would have stopped the needless killing of another.
In this instance, I think my morality is greater than yours as I saved a life. You did not.
Furthermore, you did not take an absolutist position and you are no moral absolutist as you claimed. I encourage you to read on what constitutes moral absolutism so you don`t mislabel yourself in the future.
who cares, you fucking tool.
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Someones gotta do it. 8)
I believe they thank me secretly. At least they go away enlightened.
Have you checked out hardon mechanics?
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Will you at least concede that you were wrong at calling yourself a moral absolutist?
You are now boring me and I intended to no longer participate in this debate but this question had a tone of genuine sincerity so I feel compelled to respond.
I do not accept your Wikipedia definition of moral absolutism anymore than you did not accept my dictionary definition of Pacifism even though I consider a dictionary more reliable than Wiki.
I NEVER SAID I WAS A MORAL ABSOLUTIST. I SAID I BELIEVED IN MORAL ABSOLUTES. BIG DIFFERENCE.
My play on the accusation and admission seem to be a poor attempt at irony and your propensity for the cut and paste and calling foul when others do it. There's often something lost in the translation from verbal speech to written.
You failed to notice that I said it wasn't always about a numbers game. Pure body count as it were. Murder is always wrong. A moral absolute I believe in. Stealing, lying, shooting pointy headed twinks in black panties carrying a knife -- sometimes. Sometimes not. Saying there are moral absolutes is quite different from saying everything is a moral absolute or that I am a moral absolute.
So in that regard you have my concession.
You may call it personal vanity, I call it a moral imperative that I don't commit murder. What someone else does or doesn't do based on my actions is between him and his God or whatever.
Ever wonder why it was often the policy of the NVC to wound rather than kill an American soldier? Because they knew that American's don't leave their wounded soldiers on the field to die and the additional burden put the advantage more on their side. With Americans it's eit her we all come home or nobody comes home. Of course, it would be much more pragmatic if they just leave the wounded soldier to die. After all not only is he worthless on the battle field but he now takes up a good deal of resources and puts everyone else at greater risks. Why do we do it? The Russians don't. They treated their men like canon fodder in WW2. The Chinese don't. And the NVC sure as hell didn't. Why do we do it? Because it's not always just about numbers and pragmatism and naked survival. Why bother taking care of the infirmed? The old and sick? They contribute nothing and only needlessly drain resources. Sure maybe their families and friends care but that's their problem. Why should we?
When soldiers risks their lives and the lives of their comrades to save another wounded soldier it is no longer just about the pure efficacy of survival. We are not just animals. It's not just about how many of us will live, maybe sometimes, but not all the time. Sometimes there are things higher than ourselves. Things worth risking our lives and dying for. When those brave, and some may say stupid, soldiers drag their dying comrade off the field and carry him with them it is then that they rise above being mere animals only concerned about their own survival. It is then that they assert their humanity. That they are more than just flesh and blood. That they have souls.
If we were soldiers in the same platoon fighting a common enemy and you should fall wounded even though I do not like you I would risk my life, the life of my son, daughter, brother, sister, mother, father... that we would not just leave you there to die and rot and decompose in the sun like some animal carcass.
We all come home or none of us comes home.
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Can't remember the last time I seen a 6'4 260 obese person run a 4.6 40.
DEMARCUS!!!!!!!!!
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what is the point of lifting that heavy weight? You can build a better body lifting much much much less than that. He risks injury lifting all this weight if he is serious about a football career.
Sports performance training isnt about "building a better body" its about improving your speed, strength and explosive power.
Totally diff type of training then your MD or IronMAn juiceheads do in the Smith machine.
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Here come all the "experts" telling the first round pick who just banked 20 mill that he needs to lose weight ::) I would bet he runs a faster 40 than any of the twinks talking trash.
haha aint that the truth BDY88.