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Sorry, gents. Overall, I think I took all 3 guys you mentioned. Pardon me for tooting my own horn.
I inclined 495 X 6. 545 x 2. Shoulder pressed 495 x 5. Did seated dumbells with NO swinging, perfect slow form, with the 85's x 8 (Bob Cicherillo saw this one).
Hack Squated 1080 (12 plates a side) x 3. Squatted 805 in a powermeet, clean, when I was 24. I squatted 765 x 2 in the GYM, with no powersuit. Close-Grip Benched 455 x 5. Did incline dumbells with the 200's for 8. Hammer Strength machine lying down with 7 plates plus a 25 on each side for 6 (Titus was training with me that day).
Deadlifts were too booring.. but I did Stiff Leg Dead with 495 for 8 reps.
Standing Calf Machine with 1000 pounds for 6 reps when I was 24.
Overall, I think I was stronger than anyone. I'd Ronnie was real close, though. The thing with Ronnie's training is that he cheats and swings on EVERYTHING. Ive seen him train lots of times. Hard to compare exactly when he bounces everything all over the place. Jay trains the same way, even though he's no where near as strong as Ronnie.
Sucks that I got sick right before Mitsuru Okabe and I could shoot a video together. We had plans to video tape all of this.
looking huge these days
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/starprofile/Tom_Prince.jpg)
and now...
:P
(http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/34112/2002049647953717118_fs.jpg)
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what exactly happend to him and why does it prevent him from building muscle naturally now?
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i'd have to see the 545x2 incline, 200 pound db's for 8 incline and the 495x5 shoulder press for myself, the rest i believe, the man was 300 pounds offseason at around 5'8".
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also 12 plates on each side of the Flex Fitness hack squat i believe because that's one of the easier hacks out there but on the Cybex hack.....no fuccking way, 3 plates on that one feels like 6 on the Flex.
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Ask Chick about his "Strength Claims?"
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what exactly happend to him and why does it prevent him from building muscle naturally now?
think he had kidney problems, to many orals! was taking like 16 - 24 advils a day every day for 2 years LOL
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He was using Chicks version of Egg Whites which made his Strength much greater then regular egg whites!
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Amazing how he lost 200lbs. of muscle mass in a year or so... and steroids are just the finishing touch ;) right Bob ?
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um... no
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I heard that he could handle 160 pound dumbbells for seated dumbbell press pretty easily for reps. As QuakerOats said, he was 300 at around 5'8. I believe the weight he gave was 312. He was known for being incredibly strong. I don't think he was quite at Ronnie's level, but one of the few pros who was probably close enough where he could have trained with Ronnie and not embarrassed himself.
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Sad part is he can only lift 97% of those weights today :'(
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how much do u think he benches now?
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135 :o
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how much do u think he benches now?
Only uses "the perfect pushup"
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Only uses "the perfect pushup"
lol!
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QUOTE FROM HIM
Sorry, gents. Overall, I think I took all 3 guys you mentioned. Pardon me for tooting my own horn.
I inclined 495 X 6. 545 x 2. Shoulder pressed 495 x 5. Did seated dumbells with NO swinging, perfect slow form, with the 85's x 8 (Bob Cicherillo saw this one).
Hack Squated 1080 (12 plates a side) x 3. Squatted 805 in a powermeet, clean, when I was 24. I squatted 765 x 2 in the GYM, with no powersuit. Close-Grip Benched 455 x 5. Did incline dumbells with the 200's for 8. Hammer Strength machine lying down with 7 plates plus a 25 on each side for 6 (Titus was training with me that day).
Deadlifts were too booring.. but I did Stiff Leg Dead with 495 for 8 reps.
Standing Calf Machine with 1000 pounds for 6 reps when I was 24.
Overall, I think I was stronger than anyone. I'd Ronnie was real close, though. The thing with Ronnie's training is that he cheats and swings on EVERYTHING. Ive seen him train lots of times. Hard to compare exactly when he bounces everything all over the place. Jay trains the same way, even though he's no where near as strong as Ronnie.
Sucks that I got sick right before Mitsuru Okabe and I could shoot a video together. We had plans to video tape all of this.
looking huge these days
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/starprofile/Tom_Prince.jpg)
:P
(http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/34112/2002049647953717118_fs.jpg)
lol does it matter now.. without the juice he was now where near that...
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that Muthafucker was not as strong as Johnie jackson is
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Well, to be truthful, when Tom Prince was training back in the days, he was extremely strong, and wouldnt doubt those claims, at least once or twice.
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All true....I've seen many a pro train...TP was amongst the strongest, Johhnie Jackson and certainly Ronnie
His claim of slow steady movement was also true...ZERO swinging. The other thing that always amazed me was that he started his movements from the BOTTOM ( imagine starting a incline press from the bottom of the movement)...
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What type of 'powermeets' require you to do triples? Doubt the closegrip
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All true....I've seen many a pro train...TP was amongst the strongest, Johhnie Jackson and certainly Ronnie
His claim of slow steady movement was also true...ZERO swinging. The other thing that always amazed me was that he started his movements from the BOTTOM ( imagine starting a incline press from the bottom of the movement)...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you mean he lowered the bar to his chest, paused, then started the press?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you mean he lowered the bar to his chest, paused, then started the press?
No....he loaded up the bar at the bottom position and started his reps from there....if anyone wants to see how hard that is, go ahead and try it....always made me laugh
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how did he load the bar if he was under it?
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how did he load the bar if he was under it?
Either on the smith machine or on the lowest pegs on the incline bench
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ahhhh smith machine lifts. i believe them now.
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What kind of weight does he move these days?
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Tom only trains once or twice a week, to be as healthy as he can given his circumstances....
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No....he loaded up the bar at the bottom position and started his reps from there....if anyone wants to see how hard that is, go ahead and try it....always made me laugh
For his normal sets or for his max sets? That would be crazy if he did that with 495+.
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For his normal sets or for his max sets? That would be crazy if he did that with 495+.
ANY and ALL sets....including 495...thats what made it impressive. I could never do it...I had to start at the top, not that I was anywhere near his strength
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Tom was a badass, no doubt about it
(http://www.geocities.com/lamotte123/10.jpg)
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im pretty sure bob chick has said many times in interviews and stuff that the majority if not all of toms lift numbers were exagerated greatly
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i actually spotted tom once at venice golds on the incline smith machine.. chick aint lying.. he had about 435 or so on there and repped the hell out of it.. very powerful.. i am sure starting in the bottom position did not do the shoulders any good..
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no steroids?
what awful circumstances!
Tom only trains once or twice a week, to be as healthy as he can given his circumstances....
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im pretty sure bob chick has said many times in interviews and stuff that the majority if not all of toms lift numbers were exagerated greatly
Dont make shit up, loser...
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Hey Bob, the inclines and overhead presses are on the smith machine right?
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Hey Chick,
What was Tom's diet like in the off season 300lbs at 5'8' is huge!
Don't tell me he got like that from chicken breasts and tilapia... ;D
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Hey Chick,
What was Tom's diet like in the off season 300lbs at 5'8' is huge!
Don't tell me he got like that from chicken breasts and tilapia... ;D
i would imagine he ate everything he could see, and then some.
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Hey Bob, the inclines and overhead presses are on the smith machine right?
We used them all...
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bob who could eat more food in an hour-you or tom?
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so....we have a man who can do almost record settings sets...who makes his money off of his 'muscular' public image...in a bodybuilding world known for publicizing exaggerated lifts...and nobody decided that videotaping these Herculean feats would be a good idea?
Interesting...
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so....we have a man who can do almost record settings sets...who makes his money off of his 'muscular' public image...in a bodybuilding world known for publicizing exaggerated lifts...and nobody decided that videotaping these Herculean feats would be a good idea?
Interesting...
Tom never gave a shit about that...I'm sure now he wishes he would have documented it for his own benefit. He never cared what anyone else thought. That said, there were plenty of people who saw him lift in person.
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Tom was a badass, no doubt about it
(http://www.geocities.com/lamotte123/10.jpg)
Joe Deangelis confirmed it to me; that Tom was freakishly strong. "Strongest person (he) ever trained with." And Joe was always into power/strongman type stuff.
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Joe Deangelis confirmed it to me; that Tom was freakishly strong. "Strongest person (he) ever trained with." And Joe was always into power/strongman type stuff.
Wasn't Tom mean to you on musclemayhem, saying mean things to you?
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All true....I've seen many a pro train...TP was amongst the strongest, Johhnie Jackson and certainly Ronnie
His claim of slow steady movement was also true...ZERO swinging. The other thing that always amazed me was that he started his movements from the BOTTOM ( imagine starting a incline press from the bottom of the movement)...
Why was his movements so smooth and thought out yet his drug use/personal life so reckless? I don't mean to take a shot at him, its just when a person is so analytical is one part of his/her life, it usually means all facets of their life...
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tom was actually taped on a discovery show documentary about bodybuilding incline pressing well over 400 pounds for many reps.. you might be able to find it on the web.. i also witness smith machine overhead presses for numerous reps (all mid range) at , i believe, 365.. he did at least 11 or more.. and that is no exaggeration or lie.. there was even a guy photographing it (steve neece i think)..
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Wasn't Tom mean to you on musclemayhem, saying mean things to you?
:-X
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Tom only trains once or twice a week, to be as healthy as he can given his circumstances....
what would be the point of training at all then?
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what would be the point of training at all then?
Because he still likes working out, perhaps? ::)
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i'd have to see the 545x2 incline, 200 pound db's for 8 incline and the 495x5 shoulder press for myself, the rest i believe, the man was 300 pounds offseason at around 5'8".
same here ....
bs on a few ...a little inflated
many pro's agreed tom was insanely strong
I still see Ronnie as the strongest
swinging or not
his 200 X 11-12 presses are just mindbogling
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Dude was a fucking freak no doubt.
Im amazed that he hansä't killed himself or something,
Going from 300 pounds to 180 and never being able to use roids or anything again must take a big fucking toll on the mind.
I mean, Levrone etc, can juice up if he wanted to, Tom can't.
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yeah a true monster.
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many rag on him
whatever
he did his best and worked hard and I respect him for that
and he was willing to bs w/ the fans
was both big AND strong
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his 200 X 11-12 presses are just mindbogling
Those were Good legit reps also,
I doubt anyone on this planet except the 1000 pound benchers can do that, hell if they even can do it.
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yeah a true monster.
No shit
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last photo is insane, I would Love to look like that
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last photo is insane, I would Love to look like that
In his prime, Tom had a fantastic physique - right up there with the likes of Mike Francois and Paul De Mayo. He only nailed his conditioning a couple of times onstage - when he won his pro card and in the Night of Champions where he placed third, but could have easily won with few complaints.
I loved seeing Tom's pics and articles in FLEX back in the 90s - he was of the same height as me and that's very similar to what I wanted to look like, on a smaller scale, of course. Very thick and powerful looking.
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If you took the shit he did maybe you'd get close to his size ... depends on your discipline and your response to gear
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Because he still likes working out, perhaps? ::)
haha fucking tools like "Ironmagazine", tend to believe that pros off the gear dont train at all. Of course they train because they love it.
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In his prime, Tom had a fantastic physique - right up there with the likes of Mike Francois and Paul De Mayo. He only nailed his conditioning a couple of times onstage - when he won his pro card and in the Night of Champions where he placed third, but could have easily won with few complaints.
I loved seeing Tom's pics and articles in FLEX back in the 90s - he was of the same height as me and that's very similar to what I wanted to look like, on a smaller scale, of course. Very thick and powerful looking.
who can post the vid with the nationals lineup where there is titus and prince comparisons?
Prince was the thickest of all there.
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People forget how good Tom Prince actually was - the size in those pics above are amazing.
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People forget how good Tom Prince actually was - the size in those pics above are amazing.
he was also witty and smart. i miss him not being w/ us at Getbig
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Tommie and I used to train at the same gym in Florida, and yes he definitely lifted what he said he lifted.
It was absolutely amazing : strict , slow , and perfect form always .
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Well, to be truthful, when Tom Prince was training back in the days, he was extremely strong, and wouldnt doubt those claims, at least once or twice.
X2.......he was strong as an ox!!!!!!
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Dude was a fucking freak no doubt.
Im amazed that he hansä't killed himself or something,
Going from 300 pounds to 180 and never being able to use roids or anything again must take a big fucking toll on the mind.
I mean, Levrone etc, can juice up if he wanted to, Tom can't.
What an ugly symbol!? Are you using translator all the time or what?
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haha fucking tools like "Ironmagazine", tend to believe that pros off the gear dont train at all. Of course they train because they love it.
no you fucking moron, working out 1-2 times per week is useless, just look at his picture, if you're not going to put in at least 3 work-outs per week don't bother, you're wasting your time.
maybe if you're going to post on a bodybuilding board you should try gaining some knowledge of exercise physiology!
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i always liked top came across as a cool guy on bfto2001...
those lifts are believable...
only unbelivable to the weak
i also liked toms physique.... huge arms were huge... peaked bis in contrast to levrone who's bis were long but flattish
thick Tris and stupid legs... hams are ridiculous
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What an ugly symbol!? Are you using translator all the time or what?
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TP trains a few days a week to keep in shape the best he can...more training would be impossible as his job demands long hours and he's moved on and turned the page in the BB chapter of his life
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i wonder what he can handle now.
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TP trains a few days a week to keep in shape the best he can...more training would be impossible as his job demands long hours and he's moved on and turned the page in the BB chapter of his life
i remember talking to him at the 03 O Expo. He was VERY approachable and nice. This was after he went natural(besides replacement therapy) hell he was still 3 bills.
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was Tom Prince Sponsored by Advil? ;)
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i wonder what he can handle now.
He doesn't...I guess that just leaves you to wonder.
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last photo is insane, I would Love to look like that
it would be cool for a week then you would get fed up of not being able to wipe your own ass and put your socks on, and regular tasks becoming huge challenges.
You would wish you could be back in your 190lb physique.
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it would be cool for a week then you would get fed up of not being able to wipe your own ass and put your socks on, and regular tasks becoming huge challenges.
You would wish you could be back in your 190lb physique.
Well, I wish I was 190 also ;D ;D
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stop this madness, Tom is prepping for the Olympia
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no you fucking moron, working out 1-2 times per week is useless, just look at his picture, if you're not going to put in at least 3 work-outs per week don't bother, you're wasting your time.
maybe if you're going to post on a bodybuilding board you should try gaining some knowledge of exercise physiology!
Before you go around calling people morons, maybe you should just relax.
Again, maybe he works out as much as his free time allows-as well as health?
Just because working out once or twice a week does not mean he can't enjoy the experience, and gives his mind a rest from the day to day grind.
If you really are associated with Ironmanmagazine.com, you should A) know better than to attack someone in the above manner and B) would know that some people do enjoy training and do not do it for the money. Like Flex Wheeler.
Tom did sell crazy a few times across the internet, but one thing that consistently comes forth from all his posts & articles, is that the man just loves being in the gym training.
So, this being GetBig.com, sell crazy elsewhere. We're all stocked up here.
>:( >:( >:(
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I smell a comeback
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no you fucking moron, working out 1-2 times per week is useless, just look at his picture, if you're not going to put in at least 3 work-outs per week don't bother, you're wasting your time.
maybe if you're going to post on a bodybuilding board you should try gaining some knowledge of exercise physiology!
Pics talk. I have posted mine. Post yours, lets see "who knows more".
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Before you go around calling people morons, maybe you should just relax.
Again, maybe he works out as much as his free time allows-as well as health?
Just because working out once or twice a week does not mean he can't enjoy the experience, and gives his mind a rest from the day to day grind.
If you really are associated with Ironmanmagazine.com, you should A) know better than to attack someone in the above manner and B) would know that some people do enjoy training and do not do it for the money. Like Flex Wheeler.
Tom did sell crazy a few times across the internet, but one thing that consistently comes forth from all his posts & articles, is that the man just loves being in the gym training.
So, this being GetBig.com, sell crazy elsewhere. We're all stocked up here.
>:( >:( >:(
Well said.
2X a week is fine, when you're on dialysis everyother day and you run your own business....just getting a little workout in gets the blood moving and gets you out of the office to catch up with friends...
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I do not believe the shoulder press claimed. Bill Kazmaier couldnt ever shoulder press that in his prime.
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All Plazmosis...
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TP trains a few days a week to keep in shape the best he can...more training would be impossible as his job demands long hours and he's moved on and turned the page in the BB chapter of his life
Bob, what does Tom do now for a living?
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Bob, what does Tom do now for a living?
personal training
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all drugs. two fucked kidneys to show for it :-\
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Bob, what does Tom do now for a living?
Real estate, I know at one time-I assume still- with his wife.
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why can't tom prince have a new kidney?
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Don Long seems to do alright
(http://advancedgenetics.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/donlong.jpg)
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why can't tom prince have a new kidney?
With a new kidney, Tom can make a big comeback!
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Bob, what does Tom do now for a living?
Tom and his wife run their own property management company
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So, this being GetBig.com, sell crazy elsewhere. We're all stocked up here.
Hi Melvin.
Maybe we could live *without* the wisecracks
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Let's play some word-association on this thread!
Here's the first one:
brown.... paper.... shopping bag...
bathroom stall... gold's venice....
:-X
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Hi Melvin.
Maybe we could live *without* the wisecracks
I'm hurt that you even combine me and Melvin in the same sentence.
You're out of the GetBig will pal!
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I'm hurt that you even combine me and Melvin in the same sentence.
You're out of the GetBig will pal!
Melvin as in Udall, not Goodrum.
Surely, you get my reference to the character after using his line?
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bob who could eat more food in an hour-you or tom?
who could eat more food in an hour you or Bluto?..oops!..I forget.....you're the same guy!
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Melvin as in Udall, not Goodrum.
Surely, you get my reference to the character after using his line?
Oh, I've heard that line over the years from about 20 musician friends of mine. Pretty much in that form, but other variations too.
I just figured the line had come from one musician or another.
So, forgive me that I didn't know the origin. You are forgiven. Now I must go and say 20 hail marys....or something useless like that! ;D
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Oh, I've heard that line over the years from about 20 musician friends of mine. Pretty much in that form, but other variations too.
I just figured the line had come from one musician or another.
So, forgive me that I didn't know the origin. You are forgiven. Now I must go and say 20 hail marys....or something useless like that! ;D
You musicians are so funny :D
;D
;)
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A true power freak. I hope medical technology advances to the point where he gets a lot better and can live without so many joint and health issues.
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where is youngblood? is he still competing ;D
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it's all advil.
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All true....I've seen many a pro train...TP was amongst the strongest, Johhnie Jackson and certainly Ronnie
His claim of slow steady movement was also true...ZERO swinging. The other thing that always amazed me was that he started his movements from the BOTTOM ( imagine starting a incline press from the bottom of the movement)...
Would you say he was stronger than J. Jackson...
What about Vince Taylor...(im joking)
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No shit
JESUS H CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is fuckin over grown.....thats how i wanted to look
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I believe most of the lifts i remember seeing that show with him and Titus on discovery back in the 90s I believe.
I think some of his cutting cycle made it on to Mayhem a while back, it was hard to believe someone could put that much crap in their body and not drop dead.
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Would you say he was stronger than J. Jackson...
What about Vince Taylor...(im joking)
Hard to say, I think they were probably about equal, each having thier best lifts on different exercises.
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Hard to say, I think they were probably about equal, each having thier best lifts on different exercises.
But TP is what? 5'11... I always said that taller guys had a harder time with lifts such as Bench and Deads. But thats cool
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But TP is what? 5'11... I always said that taller guys had a harder time with lifts such as Bench and Deads. But thats cool
Try 5"8
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Try 5"8
Really.
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5'8 @ 3 bills.....now that's focking sick!
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5'8 @ 3 bills.....now that's focking sick!
Thats pretty big...cant be healthy
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He's got ridiculously thick wrists
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WHY HASN'T HE HAD A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT
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Thats pretty big...cant be healthy
His Kidneys thought the same thing :D
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His Kidneys thought the same thing :D
lmao
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His Kidneys thought the same thing :D
I think the 24 advil he was popping a day had a little something to say about it.
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I think the 24 advil he was popping a day had a little something to say about it.
i did 24 advil in 24 a couple of days ago because of a monster tooth ache...fuck that hurt
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WHY HASN'T HE HAD A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT
He's on the list....it can take up to 7 years on an average...unless you have a matching donor
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Oh I thought TP already had a kidney transplant. I wish him the best on his health issues and hope everything goes well.
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He's on the list....it can take up to 7 years on an average...unless you have a matching donor
When we will be seeing Tom back on stage? Tom was a compeditor and has to give it one last go
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Because Flex Wheeler was ahead of him in the line
Yet, people like Flex and Don Long probably still on the roids, and Don is still competing despite the health issues and new kidney. ::)
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Yet, people like Flex and Don Long probably still on the roids, and Don is still competing despite the health issues and new kidney. ::)
Why not...He's got a fresh kidney and prob will watch his blood work more closely now after that scare.
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Yet, people like Flex and Don Long probably still on the roids, and Don is still competing despite the health issues and new kidney. ::)
Even if something happens, Don can get another kidney ;D
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Why not...He's got a fresh kidney and prob will watch his blood work more closely now after that scare.
Very true, he's probably more responsible this time around.
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Yet, people like Flex and Don Long probably still on the roids, and Don is still competing despite the health issues and new kidney. ::)
Close....but wrong.
Don's body rejected his transplant shortly after he got it which was over 2 years ago)...he does dialysis on a regular basis, as does Tom.
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Close....but wrong.
Don's body rejected his transplant shortly after he got it which was over 2 years ago)...he does dialysis on a regular basis, as does Tom.
Thanks for clearing that up, still, I think he shouldn't be competing and give it a rest and just lift and be healthy like Tom is, but that's his choice I guess.
As for Tom, I wish him the best, saw him in the Europa show here in TX 7 years ago, and dude was very cool, and huge!
Hey Chick, between Tom and Cormier, who would you say is stronger as both lift heavy and insane weights?
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Hard to say, I think they were probably about equal, each having thier best lifts on different exercises.
i think he is stronger than johnie jackson by far..
johnnie is good at deadlifts.. thats it...
he is not the worlds strngest bber imo
prince cormier branch rohnnie levrone... own him
he has a strong dead thats it....
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i think he is stronger than johnie jackson by far..
johnnie is good at deadlifts.. thats it...
he is not the worlds strngest bber imo
prince cormier branch rohnnie levrone... own him
he has a strong dead thats it....
I use to see Johnnie and Branch train here in Southlake TX all the time, Branch is much stronger then Johnnie when it comes to pressing for sure, one rep maxes probably Johnnie, but from a workout standpoint Branch definitely. Their form though, is worse then Ronnies', but Ronnie is an animal, and I'm lucky to see him prepare for the 03 Olympia at Metroflex, but damn, was it hot in the summer here in TX.
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Thanks for clearing that up, still, I think he shouldn't be competing and give it a rest and just lift and be healthy like Tom is, but that's his choice I guess.
As for Tom, I wish him the best, saw him in the Europa show here in TX 7 years ago, and dude was very cool, and huge!
Hey Chick, between Tom and Cormier, who would you say is stronger as both lift heavy and insane weights?
Strong as Cormier was, Tom was more powerful.
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i think he is stronger than johnie jackson by far..
johnnie is good at deadlifts.. thats it...
he is not the worlds strngest bber imo
prince cormier branch rohnnie levrone... own him
he has a strong dead thats it....
Most likely believable, but Levrone definitely is a beast. His form is pretty strict and the strength on pressing exercises rival Ronnie's if not stronger when it comes to bench, Ronnie has the overall strength, strong on bench, squats, and deads.
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levrone is strong...
i agree...
but coleman is the strongest not even close
here's how i have it
coleman
prince
levrone/cormier
branch
johnnie
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Prince is a great example that you dont need roids to be strong.
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chick,
enough smokescreen BS.
did tom prince do gay 4 pay in the toilet of golds, venice?
Tom never gave a shit about that...I'm sure now he wishes he would have documented it for his own benefit. He never cared what anyone else thought. That said, there were plenty of people who saw him lift in person.
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:D
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I guess it depends what the barometer is. Levrone does a real strict 3 reps on 5 plates bench, Ronnie does 5 of his little Ronnie reps, but there's not much in it really, surprisingly close in fact on that lift. Ronnie prob wins on squats and deads though so I certainly think he's the strongest.
What was Prince like on these lifts?
As for Johnnie Jackson; there must be a lot of pro BB who can put 4 plates on the bench and do a sloppy 8?!?! Has anyone got footage of JJ squatting anymore than 3 and a half plates for any decent reps? I can't believe he's allowed to call himself the world's strongest BB.
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:D
SERIOUSLY, WHY DO YOU EVEN POST?!?!?!?
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Strong as Cormier was, Tom was more powerful.
I talked to chris on sunday..He is in Ireland...I sure hope he comes back like 02