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Why would anyone become a Nurse Practitioner when they could go just a bit farther and become a Dr. ?
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Why would anyone become a Nurse Practitioner when they could go just a bit farther and become a Dr. ?
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lol
mabye becoming a doc is harder?
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Why would anyone become a Nurse Practitioner when they could go just a bit farther and become a Dr. ?
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because nursing school is approx. 25,458,663,985,256,458,758 times easier to get into than a LEGITIMATE top level American medical school.
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Perhaps they like giving enemas and changing diapers?
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I thought becoming a Nurse Practitioner was just about as difficult as becoming a Doctor? ???
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I thought becoming a Nurse Practitioner was just about as difficult as becoming a Doctor? ???
hahahahhaa, where did you hear that? ;D
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I thought becoming a Nurse Practitioner was just about as difficult as becoming a Doctor? ???
def. not
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I thought becoming a Nurse Practitioner was just about as difficult as becoming a Doctor? ???
According to info I found on Wikipedia, becoming a Nurse Practitioner requires that the nurse be an RN, then take additional coursework (master's level). One can become an RN with just 2 years at community college (though many take 4 at university) plus experience.
Of course, to become a physician requires a 4-year degree plus 4 years of medical school. It seems like the majority of nurse practitioners are nurses that got into nursing at the lowest levels, have obtained an RN designation, and now want more responsibility rather than people who decided right out of high school to become an NP.
Without having attended either NP school or med school, I can't say which is more difficult, but I am pretty sure that it is harder at least to get into (and pay for) medical school.
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According to info I found on Wikipedia, becoming a Nurse Practitioner requires that the nurse be an RN, then take additional coursework (master's level). One can become an RN with just 2 years at community college (though many take 4 at university) plus experience.
Of course, to become a physician requires a 4-year degree plus 4 years of medical school. It seems like the majority of nurse practitioners are nurses that got into nursing at the lowest levels, have obtained an RN designation, and now want more responsibility rather than people who decided right out of high school to become an NP.
Without having attended either NP school or med school, I can't say which is more difficult, but I am pretty sure that it is harder at least to get into (and pay for) medical school.
4 years of college, 4 years of med school and then a residency lasting for up to 7 years depending on what field you go into. If it was just as easy then there would be no NPs as everyone would just become MDs.
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4 years of college, 4 years of med school and then a residency lasting for up to 7 years depending on what field you go into. If it was just as easy then there would be no NPs as everyone would just become MDs.
You're definitely right about that.
Of course, all who choose the medical field get my respect. I understand it can be brutal between the work, the pressure, and the emotions of dealing with sick and/or dying people.
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there is three levels of nursing: LVN, RN, NP. becoming an NP is a lot harder than becoming an RN, but not as hard as becoming an MD.
for an MD, there is 4 years of college, then 4 years of medical school. then you take the exam to become an MD. then there is a minimum of 1 year of internship, but more often 4-5 years of residency specializing in some field. then there is taking the board exams for your specialty. then often a fellowship.
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there is three levels of nursing: LVN, RN, NP. becoming an NP is a lot harder than becoming an RN, but not as hard as becoming an MD.
for an MD, there is 4 years of college, then 4 years of medical school. then you take the exam to become an MD. then there is a minimum of 1 year of internship, but more often 4-5 years of residency specializing in some field. then there is taking the board exams for your specialty. then often a fellowship.
Tim is right my girlfriend wasn't fully qualified as an MD until her early thirties...
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Have you seen the price of malpractice insurance?
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Have you seen the price of malpractice insurance?
general surgeon=137,000
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Surely no man would become a nurse?
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Surely no man would become a nurse?
MuscleMcMannus on here is a nurse.
I think he said this is him in the pic below.
(http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Meet_the_Parents/ben_stiller_meet_the_parents_001.jpg)
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Gaylord Focker became a nurse when he could have been a Doc.
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MuscleMcMannus on here is a nurse.
I think he said this is him in the pic below.
(http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Meet_the_Parents/ben_stiller_meet_the_parents_001.jpg)
McAnus the male nurse...........i smell a sitcom coming on.
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Surely no man would become a nurse?
Actually, it seems more men than ever are becoming nurses.
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Actually, it seems more men than ever are becoming nurses.
True. Homosexuals are an accepted part of society these days.....
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Actually, it seems more men than ever are becoming nurses.
True. Just visited my Mum this aft, and she had a male nurse. She wasn't totally comfortable with it. I felt smug telling her that she had nothing he hadn't seen before. ;D
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Why would anyone become a Nurse Practitioner when they could go just a bit farther and become a Dr. ?
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HAHAHAHA...
I hope this is a joke!
"just a but further" try 4 years of college, 4 years med school 4-5 years of residency = 12-13 years vs the 4 it takes to be a NP!!!
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Gaylord Focker became a nurse when he could have been a Doc.
If i'm not mistaken, he felt that he would have more freedom to help the patients as a nurse instead of having to deal with all the red tape and legalities of being an MD
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I didnt know...
This thread turned out pretty funny thanks to webcke! ;D
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I have a guy friend who is a intensive care nurse and he gets more tail than anyone I know (mainly overseas nurses on working holidays)... plus plenty of free meds
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I have a guy friend who is a intensive care nurse and he gets more tail than anyone I know (mainly overseas nurses on working holidays)... plus plenty of free meds
Yes, but we only count female tail, so your "friend" doesn't count... ;D
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M brother done nursing for a few years.
He wanted to be a paramedic but had to have driven for 5 years and he worked as a nurse after uni till he was 22 before becoming a paramedic
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Typical nursing student?? You decide.
(http://www.thicklatinas.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/0114.jpg)
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Typical nursing student?? You decide.
(http://www.thicklatinas.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/0114.jpg)
if you're judging by that criteria, you should go to Dental school ;)
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if you're judging by that criteria, you should go to Dental school ;)
hahahahahahahaha I'm guessing because of the soda.
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because nursing school is approx. 25,458,663,985,256,458,758 times easier to get into than a LEGITIMATE top level American medical school.
Fuck all dat. Mexican Med school ;D
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Well I am a nurse practitioner. I have a certification to be a family nurse practitioner. I have been a NP for 7 years now and I love it. I work 3 different jobs. I have always wanted to be a nurse so I went to college and majored in Nursing after high school. Then I decided I wanted to be a NP and finished in 2.5 years. I never thought of becoming a doctor but if I could do it all over again I probably would study to be a doctor when I graduated from high school. Now its too late for me. I would have to start all over again. 4 years of medical school. 1 year of internship, 2 - 3 residency, maybe a fellowship........ I work for one doctor seeing his patients in the nursing home and I have to pay him 15% plus $1625 for supervisory fee from what I make :( But even so I still make good money. There is a need for NPs because there are not enough of Family Practice doctors. Its a great field to be a part of.
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Well I am a nurse practitioner. I have a certification to be a family nurse practitioner. I have been a NP for 7 years now and I love it. I work 3 different jobs. I have always wanted to be a nurse so I went to college and majored in Nursing after high school. Then I decided I wanted to be a NP and finished in 2.5 years. I never thought of becoming a doctor but if I could do it all over again I probably would study to be a doctor when I graduated from high school. Now its too late for me. I would have to start all over again. 4 years of medical school. 1 year of internship, 2 - 3 residency, maybe a fellowship........ I work for one doctor seeing his patients in the nursing home and I have to pay him 15% plus $1625 for supervisory fee from what I make :( But even so I still make good money. There is a need for NPs because there are not enough of Family Practice doctors. Its a great field to be a part of.
I'm glad you survived that well :)
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Why would anyone become a Nurse Practitioner when they could go just a bit farther and become a Dr. ?
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Why become a PA (Physician's Assistant) instead of a Dr.?
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im a nursing school student going for a BSN bachelors of science of nursing... ;D
planning on applying to medical school after that... if i dont get in I get to still have
a good paying job that will always be in demand and medical school's look at experience equivalent to education ...eventually/hopefully i will get into medical school 8)
btw some NP such as a ICU NP or CRNA's make almost as much as some lower earning MD's minus the large debt they accumulate, the years of school they attend, and the hours they work
if you don't believe me look it up
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im a nursing school student going for a BSN bachelors of science of nursing... ;D
planning on applying to medical school after that... if i dont get in I get to still have
a good paying job that will always be in demand and medical school's look at experience equivalent to education ...eventually/hopefully i will get into medical school 8)
btw some NP such as a ICU NP or CRNA's make more than some lower earning MD's minus the large debt they accumulate, the years of school they attend, and the hours they work
if you don't believe me look it up
forgot to mention...
in some states...( i know New Mexico for sure)
you can have your own practice and not have to work under a M.D./D.O.
your basically a less educated DR. working for lower income families minus the tile of DR. lol
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http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Nurse_Anesthetist_(CRNA)/Salary
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haha fuckers......QuakerOats you still haven't answered my question....what do you do for a living tube socks?
And webcke you're a little shit teenager who still lives at home and attends "university" who's yet to get a taste of the real world. Nursing can be a great and rewarding profession for a lot of people including males. There are many many different jobs one can have across the span of healthcare. RN's in CA make straight up bank. In San Fran they can easily make over six figures.
Why did I personally go into nursing? Well I dicked around in college deciding on what I wanted to do that by the time I realized I had to buckle up and pick a major I needed a real job to pay my bills. RN's get out making as much as Engineers and other professionals and it sure as hell beats sitting behind a cubicle all day having a major in "psychology". I can literally go all over the world and find a job as an RN. Even in countries like Egypt, Israel and Italy.
Benchthis I don't know how far along you are in your nursing degree but it's not really recommended to go to school for nursing and try to go to med school. In fact having a nursing degree can hinder your chances of getting in. Medicine is an old boys club and nursing is really starting to piss off the medical community. And you're right most doctor's would tell their sons to go be CRNA's instead of anesthesiologists in they were interested in that area of medicine. No one wants to be a primary MD nowadays. If Obama nationalizes healthcare you're going to see a lot of pissed off doctors and healthcare will change for the worse.
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haha fuckers......QuakerOats you still haven't answered my question....what do you do for a living tube socks?
And webcke you're a little shit teenager who still lives at home and attends "university" who's yet to get a taste of the real world. Nursing can be a great and rewarding profession for a lot of people including males. There are many many different jobs one can have across the span of healthcare. RN's in CA make straight up bank. In San Fran they can easily make over six figures.
Why did I personally go into nursing? Well I dicked around in college deciding on what I wanted to do that by the time I realized I had to buckle up and pick a major I needed a real job to pay my bills. RN's get out making as much as Engineers and other professionals and it sure as hell beats sitting behind a cubicle all day having a major in "psychology". I can literally go all over the world and find a job as an RN. Even in countries like Egypt, Israel and Italy.
Benchthis I don't know how far along you are in your nursing degree but it's not really recommended to go to school for nursing and try to go to med school. In fact having a nursing degree can hinder your chances of getting in. Medicine is an old boys club and nursing is really starting to piss off the medical community. And you're right most doctor's would tell their sons to go be CRNA's instead of anesthesiologists in they were interested in that area of medicine. No one wants to be a primary MD nowadays. If Obama nationalizes healthcare you're going to see a lot of pissed off doctors and healthcare will change for the worse.
Thanks for your life story........very interesting.
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haha fuckers......QuakerOats you still haven't answered my question....what do you do for a living tube socks?
And webcke you're a little shit teenager who still lives at home and attends "university" who's yet to get a taste of the real world. Nursing can be a great and rewarding profession for a lot of people including males. There are many many different jobs one can have across the span of healthcare. RN's in CA make straight up bank. In San Fran they can easily make over six figures.
Why did I personally go into nursing? Well I dicked around in college deciding on what I wanted to do that by the time I realized I had to buckle up and pick a major I needed a real job to pay my bills. RN's get out making as much as Engineers and other professionals and it sure as hell beats sitting behind a cubicle all day having a major in "psychology". I can literally go all over the world and find a job as an RN. Even in countries like Egypt, Israel and Italy.
Benchthis I don't know how far along you are in your nursing degree but it's not really recommended to go to school for nursing and try to go to med school. In fact having a nursing degree can hinder your chances of getting in. Medicine is an old boys club and nursing is really starting to piss off the medical community. And you're right most doctor's would tell their sons to go be CRNA's instead of anesthesiologists in they were interested in that area of medicine. No one wants to be a primary MD nowadays. If Obama nationalizes healthcare you're going to see a lot of pissed off doctors and healthcare will change for the worse.
two semesters to go.. forgot to mention im also a double major with clinical laboratory science as my other major with a 3.6 GPA and scoring 30/31 in the MCAT (taken practice test twice) and over 1500 hours of volunteer hours ...
and yes your right about some M.D. schools looking down on nursing majors that want to be M.D.'s
but hope to get into a D.O. school where nurses are generally better received..or so i been told by many professionals...
in any case thanks for putting these tools in place in regards to nursing
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two semesters to go.. forgot to mention im also a double major with clinical laboratory science as my other major with a 3.6 GPA and scoring 30/31 in the MCAT (taken practice test twice) and over 1500 hours of volunteer hours ...
and yes your right about some M.D. schools looking down on nursing majors that want to be M.D.'s
but hope to get into a D.O. school where nurses are generally better received..or so i been told by many professionals...
in any case thanks for putting these tools in place in regards to nursing
That's good! Have you taken a lot of organic chem and other stuff in laboratory science cause I don't see how a nursing major would prepare you for the MCATs. or did you just do a lot of self studying?
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That's good! Have you taken a lot of organic chem and other stuff in laboratory science cause I don't see how a nursing major would prepare you for the MCATs. or did you just do a lot of self studying?
many of the chemistries are on the laboratory science curriculum
including inorganic, organic, biochem, chem 1 & 2, calculus 1 & 2, most of the biologies and psychology classes were prerequisites for nursing including anatomy 1 & 2, general bio, organismal bio, psychology, abnormal psychology, life cycle development, statistics,
and a bunch of other shit like history, politics, English, and two nutritional classes
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many of the chemistries are on the laboratory science curriculum
including inorganic, organic, biochem, chem 1 & 2, calculus 1 & 2, most of the biologies and psychology classes were prerequisites for nursing including anatomy 1 & 2, general bio, organismal bio, psychology, abnormal psychology, life cycle development, statistics,
and a bunch of other shit like history, politics, English.....
nursing schools only chem prerequisite's was a specialty chem thats a mix of chem 1 and high school chem... its chemistry for the medical professions or some shit like that which i had to take for nursing school... it was really baby level chem and it was mostly pharmacology/ drug calculation class which was really bull shit :-\
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two semesters to go.. forgot to mention im also a double major with clinical laboratory science as my other major with a 3.6 GPA and scoring 30/31 in the MCAT (taken practice test twice) and over 1500 hours of volunteer hours ...
and yes your right about some M.D. schools looking down on nursing majors that want to be M.D.'s
but hope to get into a D.O. school where nurses are generally better received..or so i been told by many professionals...
in any case thanks for putting these tools in place in regards to nursing
Bench, my "gayer than" brotha....with those stats, you'll have NO PROBLEM getting into an allopathic program!
Good luck! ;)
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overall GPA is irrelevant concerning admission to medical school. BCPM (biology, chemistry, physics, math) GPA is what is looked at. So calculate that and see what you come out with. It it's less than 3.5 you will have a hell of a time getting in. Most every school uses a formula including the MCAT score and BCPM GPA. They use this to eliminate applicants who don't meet their criteria. They also have correction factors for different universities regarding GPA. Best advice I can give is to apply to as many schools as possible; the average is about 11 schools applied to per applicant. Although I've seen one person apply to 51 schools (shit you not). It's very costly though, when you take into account flights, hotels, professional attire, etc.
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overall GPA is irrelevant concerning admission to medical school. BCPM (biology, chemistry, physics, math) GPA is what is looked at. So calculate that and see what you come out with. It it's less than 3.5 you will have a hell of a time getting in. Most every school uses a formula including the MCAT score and BCPM GPA. They use this to eliminate applicants who don't meet their criteria. They also have correction factors for different universities regarding GPA. Best advice I can give is to apply to as many schools as possible; the average is about 11 schools applied to per applicant. Although I've seen one person apply to 51 schools (shit you not). It's very costly though, when you take into account flights, hotels, professional attire, etc.
To the guy who is applying to med school...With a 3.6 gpa and assuming you score 30 to 31 on your MCAT, you will need to apply to a lot of schools. 11 is not enough. The MCAT score is okay and will pass cutoffs at lower tier schools, but the gpa is low and might hurt you. Apply very broadly and understand that you are not going to be competitive at any top tier school. You shouldn't have to go DO (and I would highly, highly advise against going that route...unless you are okay with ending up in primary care), but you need to apply to A LOT of schools. By the way, this advice applies to non-underrepresented minority students. If you are black or hispanic, then throw these recs out the window, and apply anywhere you want to go. As a URM, you can get into top tier schools with those stats.
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A nurse is a glorified janitor.
A nurse cleans up faeces, vomit and changes soiled linen.
In summary, if you don't mind wiping asses, sponge-bathing retards and scraping-dick-sores then you should become a nurse!
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Hank degrading a whole class of people. No surprise there.
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Lots of world class hospitals here in Boston, and the nurses at those hopitals make a lot of money. I believe senior NP's at Brigham and Womens cancer center make 75-90 an hour.
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Someone from my gym is a neonatal ICU nurse. been doing it for 20 some years. he's an expert at threading tiny little needles into tiny little veins. what ever he makes, its not enough.
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A nurse is a glorified janitor.
A nurse cleans up faeces, vomit and changes soiled linen.
In summary, if you don't mind wiping asses, sponge-bathing retards and scraping-dick-sores then you should become a nurse!
thats a nursing assistant
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I don't know what RN's make in other parts of the US but in New Jersey a BSN working full time in a hospital with very little over time is making over 100K. I work with a guy who's wife is a nurse practitioner and her base is 130K. Getting a BSN degree or a nurse practitioner degree is no joke but a lot of hard work.
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Just finished first semester, main reason I havent been on here in awhile, that shit was a lot harder than I thought it would be. I got straight A's in all my pre reqs. but 2 b's and 2 a's in nursing. It doesn't help that my school counts a's as 92% and above. Fucking up my chance at scholarships.
Any way for me the reason I did nursing instead of med school is time and a nasty divorce. In a year and a half I will be a RN and already have some jobs lined up in the 30-35 an hour range, and I know nurses can make a lot more than that in the big city markets. If I would try for med school I would need a year and half to finish my bachelors in biology, than do excellent on my MCAT, than 4 years of med school and up to 7 years of residency! I would be in my early 40's before I was even done!
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I thought becoming a Nurse Practitioner was just about as difficult as becoming a Doctor? ???
thats like saying teaching community college physics is the same as being the top military nuclear physicist
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Have you seen the price of malpractice insurance?
Bingo.
Same with becomming a P.A.
Most go with that because you can do 90% what a doc can (script restrictions are really the only difference) without the huge insurance cost.