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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Bobby on May 14, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
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I usually do cardio after training, i have heard lots of times ppl say 'don't do cardio after legs'
why? lazy? valid excuse?
more is better right, don't waste an empty stomach cardio opportunity :D
Discuss
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When legs are "trained right," it's hard to walk!!!
I seem to find it easy to walk on the treadmill at an incline (which I like doing anyway for cardio) pretty easy. One foot in front of the other, and within a minute or two, you can walk normal again.
Other than that, it's just laziness.
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yes i agree. the first few mins on the treadmill after legs are not so nice, but after awhile it gets better.
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I don't mind cardio, or any sports after a leg workout. My legs are tired, but after a few minutes they soon loosen up again. The worst time to do cardio is the day after a brutal leg workout, when even trying to sit down is painful!
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its okay to do. in fact if im doign cardio my most intense and longest cardio session is always on leg day.
***edit= its okay to do if your dieting and already doing cardio and cutting back calories.
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No cardio after leg day is just laziness.
I feel that it's more inportant to avoid cardio the day before leg day.
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I have stated before in other threads that I don't know how anybody can do cardio after legs. I do cardio before, but I have good genetics for legs and I'm not trying to get huge. Wouldn't recommend for someone with poor leg genetics looking to add size.
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i actually added it in a few weeks ago and like it honestly im not nearly as sore for not nearly as long if i do some light cardio after legs...ill do the stairmaster at a low level some times after legs...although i dont usually do alot of volume for legs so that would probably make it a lot harder.
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its okay to do. in fact if im doign cardio my most intense and longest cardio session is always on leg day.
Lol, do you bump up the treadmill to 3.0 instead of 2.8 that day?
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Lol, do you bump up the treadmill to 3.0 instead of 2.8 that day?
Maybe you're getting him mixed up with me, poly.
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How in holy hell can you do any form of stairmaster on leg day?!?!? Fuck, I can't deal with that!!! :o :o :o
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Maybe you're getting him mixed up with me, poly.
Tonymctones-
How in holy hell can you do any form of stairmaster on leg day?!?!? Fuck, I can't deal with that!!! :o :o :o
LOL well i usually always support myselft with the side rails so im not usually standing...I dont do a lot of volume either, ill do a squats usually about 6 sets with a warm up with 12, 10, 8, 3-4, 1-2 reps per set so its more ache then burn for me anyway and then ham exercise and then a calve and thats about it...My legs workouts are pretty short and sweet i definetly could understand if you did higher volume, when i used to do like 5 or 6 exercises for legs i could hardly walk down the stairs so stairmaster would have been out of the question.
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Lol, do you bump up the treadmill to 3.0 instead of 2.8 that day?
3.2 or so.
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3.2 or so.
Brutal!
Unbelievable intensity, I don't see how you do it. :)
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stair master wraps a leg session up very nicely, somthing i started doin during a pre contest phase and ive kept it up ever since, takes the edge off the ache the next day, etches in those splits too
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Brutal!
Unbelievable intensity, I don't see how you do it. :)
bodybuilding, not bodyshrinking
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stair master wraps a leg session up very nicely, somthing i started doin during a pre contest phase and ive kept it up ever since, takes the edge off the ache the next day, etches in those splits too
i feel the same way it can be pretty rough for the first few minutes but i think its worth it not to be sore for the next 3 or 4 days...
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definitely agree with those who say that it decreases the soreness.
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I'm incredibly sore unless I do at least 15-30 minutes of cardio after training legs...
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everyone is going to say "DOMS IS NO SIGN OF HYPERTROPHY"
BUT
theres a very good chance that soreness is related to growth/
if your doing something that eliminates soreness, its very possible that your also doing something that is eliminating your growth.
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everyone is going to say "DOMS IS NO SIGN OF HYPERTROPHY"
BUT
theres a very good chance that soreness is related to growth/
if your doing something that eliminates soreness, its very possible that your also doing something that is eliminating your growth.
Not sure about this. Soreness is there because you've damaged the muscle, I'm not sure that doing some cardio is going to be able to fix that damage. It could be that the cardio gets more blood straight into the area and starts the healing process earlier, therefore reducing the effects over the following days.
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Not sure about this. Soreness is there because you've damaged the muscle, I'm not sure that doing some cardio is going to be able to fix that damage. It could be that the cardio gets more blood straight into the area and starts the healing process earlier, therefore reducing the effects over the following days.
there has been alot of stuff published about endurance exercise effects on muscle hypertophy. they cancel each other out. especially when done back to back. muscular development magazine posts tons of studies in their training section each month and it seems like every month they have one or two pieces outlining specific reasons why endurance and resistance training do not mix together.
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there has been alot of stuff published about endurance exercise effects on muscle hypertophy. they cancel each other out. especially when done back to back. muscular development magazine posts tons of studies in their training section each month and it seems like every month they have one or two pieces outlining specific reasons why endurance and resistance training do not mix together.
In those studies, what are they classing as endurance training? 45 mins on the treadmill probably will dent your muscle gains, but I think we're talking more about a short duration, low intensity session, which wouldn't count a great deal in the way of endurance, but would provide enough of a rush of blood to the legs to maybe help reduce the soreness the next day.
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In those studies, what are they classing as endurance training? 45 mins on the treadmill probably will dent your muscle gains, but I think we're talking more about a short duration, low intensity session, which wouldn't count a great deal in the way of endurance, but would provide enough of a rush of blood to the legs to maybe help reduce the soreness the next day.
thats a good question, and one i am curious about as well.
they didnt say, not from what i remember.
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everyone is going to say "DOMS IS NO SIGN OF HYPERTROPHY"
BUT
theres a very good chance that soreness is related to growth/
if your doing something that eliminates soreness, its very possible that your also doing something that is eliminating your growth.
As leonp1981 was talking about...
...muscles grow when they're forced to adapt to something. If you curl 45lbs per arm for 8 reps, and then suddenly try 55's for eight, you're biceps will have to adapt to that stress.
If you then decide to jump on a treadmill for an hour, you may not get sore, you my be burning more calories that are needed to visually grow, but the signal of adaptation has been given to your biceps. If you continue to curl (or attempt) the 55's, your biceps will get the continued stimulus to grow (when you read grow, grow=adapt) and they'll still be able to grow if you take in enough calories.
As Dorian Yates once said about how he maintains similar training during his Mr. O diet prep:
"The program that built the muscle will keep the muscle."
As the "natural" guys Willet & LaCour said..."Let the training keep your muscle. And let your diet and cardio shed the body fat."
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As leonp1981 was talking about...
...muscles grow when they're forced to adapt to something. If you curl 45lbs per arm for 8 reps, and then suddenly try 55's for eight, you're biceps will have to adapt to that stress.
If you then decide to jump on a treadmill for an hour, you may not get sore, you my be burning more calories that are needed to visually grow, but the signal of adaptation has been given to your biceps. If you continue to curl (or attempt) the 55's, your biceps will get the continued stimulus to grow (when you read grow, grow=adapt) and they'll still be able to grow if you take in enough calories.
As Dorian Yates once said about how he maintains similar training during his Mr. O diet prep:
"The program that built the muscle will keep the muscle."
As the "natural" guys Willet & LaCour said..."Let the training keep your muscle. And let your diet and cardio shed the body fat."
gaining strength and gaining size are two seperate things that can and do happen seperately.
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Addressing YoungBlood's post:
As leonp1981 was talking about...
...muscles grow when they're forced to adapt to something. If you curl 45lbs per arm for 8 reps, and then suddenly try 55's for eight, you're biceps will have to adapt to that stress.
Not if there was a dramatic transfer of stress to other muscle groups i.e. swinging etc... in fact there might be less biceps stimulation (unlikely but possible)
Also your concept of progression here is flawed and perhaps is a mark of your own particular experience. Progression in weightlifting tends to be more like week 1 you got 4 reps out of a particular weight then the next week you may get 6... then you decide to increase the load and you get 4... the cycle continues... until a plateau occurs which requires intervention... that is the point at which separates the good from the mediocre lifters
If you then decide to jump on a treadmill for an hour, you may not get sore, you my be burning more calories that are needed to visually grow, but the signal of adaptation has been given to your biceps. If you continue to curl (or attempt) the 55's, your biceps will get the continued stimulus to grow (when you read grow, grow=adapt) and they'll still be able to grow if you take in enough calories.
As Dorian Yates once said about how he maintains similar training during his Mr. O diet prep:
"The program that built the muscle will keep the muscle."
Dorian also induced career ending muscle tears during his contest preparations. He actually now regrets not changing his pre contest training.
As the "natural" guys Willet & LaCour said..."Let the training keep your muscle. And let your diet and cardio shed the body fat."
That goes without saying but there are "supplements" that help retain muscle too.
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As leonp1981 was talking about...
...muscles grow when they're forced to adapt to something. If you curl 45lbs per arm for 8 reps, and then suddenly try 55's for eight, you're biceps will have to adapt to that stress.
If you then decide to jump on a treadmill for an hour, you may not get sore, you my be burning more calories that are needed to visually grow, but the signal of adaptation has been given to your biceps. If you continue to curl (or attempt) the 55's, your biceps will get the continued stimulus to grow (when you read grow, grow=adapt) and they'll still be able to grow if you take in enough calories.
As Dorian Yates once said about how he maintains similar training during his Mr. O diet prep:
"The program that built the muscle will keep the muscle."
As the "natural" guys Willet & LaCour said..."Let the training keep your muscle. And let your diet and cardio shed the body fat."
another thing... adaption occurs.. two types of adaption (strength and size)... but they dont happen magically...certain chemical and hormonal signals occur to make these adaptions happen... and these releases are not guaranteed to happen... and cerftainly things can happen that can interfer with these reactions (adaptations) from occuring...
now undestanding that, understand that science has shown some evidence of cardio vascular activity diminishing the muscle growth adaptation that occurs from weight training
ok fuck that took me like 30 minutes to type as i was watching "hitch" intermitently..lol..
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Personally I don't do cardio the day OF leg training because I do mine in the morning and would just rather have my legs completely fresh then go into a leg workout feeling fatigued at all.
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bodybuilding, not bodyshrinking
yep