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Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.
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who's "Fex"?
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I would be shocked if Haney was ever on stage at 250lbs
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You mean Flex... the guy with the "flawless" back double bi...
compared to Yates... who had back boils not pimples....uneven rhomboids with striated lats but not striated thighs or tris.
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Can u imagine what Haney would have looked like if he had abused drugs....he kept his physique in check.
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Nasser did look great at 275lb in 1997.... its hard to say that Yates should have won with a perfect score.
Yates Physique is one of a kind but does not in any way deserve a perfect score at any weight or year he won the O.
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Nasser did look great at 275lb in 1997.... its hard to say that Yates should have won with a perfect score.
Yates Physique is one of a kind but does not in any way deserve a perfect score at any weight or year he won the O.
Nasser ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED Dorian in 1997, not even close.
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Haney destroyed Yates and he didn't need need a perfect score.
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Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.
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Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.
Sorry,Ronnies best was 2003 when he weighed 286.Ronnie and Chad have both said this.
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all depends on structure, frame size, bone density etc. example Lou was heavier than Arnold with his larger frame and bigger bones while Arnold was still thicker and denser holding more muscle on his frame with more detail.
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Sorry,Ronnies best was 2003 when he weighed 286.Ronnie and Chad have both said this.
WRONG Ronnie was 287 pounds in 2003 and when asked what his best Olympia was Ronnie himself said 1998 because his conditioning was spot-on
Ronnie's best showing was 2001 Arnold Classic where he was 247 pounds
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WRONG Ronnie was 287 pounds in 2003 and when asked what his best Olympia was Ronnie himself said 1998 because his conditioning was spot-on
Ronnie's best showing was 2001 Arnold Classic where he was 247 pounds
in your opinion.
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You mean Flex... the guy with the "flawless" back double bi...
compared to Yates... who had back boils not pimples....uneven rhomboids with striated lats but not striated thighs or tris.
you seen his rhomboids huh? ::)
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in your opinion.
As well as the general consensus among the professionals , as well as Ronnie himself
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all depends on structure, frame size, bone density etc. example Lou was heavier than Arnold with his larger frame and bigger bones while Arnold was still thicker and denser holding more muscle on his frame with more detail.
a lot of people never seem to understand this....
they are caught up with ..how much do you weigh
.. a guy may weigh 250 and have 18 inch arms.. and a guy can weigh 200 and have the same size arms...
it all depends where and how each carries the weight.. i think the better genes blong to the guy who is lighter but has just as big or bigger muscles....
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Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.
Yates first Olympia was 1991 he was 239 pounds , his first Olympia win he was 242 pounds .
Bannout was just 188 pounds when he claimed his Olympia title in 1983
And Ray looked his absolute best at around 205 pounds
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in your opinion.
No,in Ronnies opinion and Chads opinion.I think they would be the ultimate judges of that.However,Flex Wheeler has stated that as well as have NUMEROUS other top bodybuilders.
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No,in Ronnies opinion and Chads opinion.I think they would be the ultimate judges of that.However,Flex Wheeler has stated that as well as have NUMEROUS other top bodybuilders.
Again Ronnie said his best Olympia was his first among many others and Chad had him beating Jay in 06 what does he know? Ronnie looked incredible in 03 but it wasn't his best showing because his density & dryness and detail all paled in comparison to 01 ASC as well as his balance & proportion
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Again Ronnie said his best Olympia was his first among many others and Chad had him beating Jay in 06 what does he know? Ronnie looked incredible in 03 but it wasn't his best showing because his density & dryness and detail all paled in comparison to 01 ASC as well as his balance & proportion
WRONG!!!Ronnie said his best condition was his first one and that was his favorite win.However,he said when you look at everything,SIZE,CONDITION,FREAKINESS his best was 2003.In fact he said when he looks at that tape even today he is amazed.
By the way,I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06 as well.If Ronnie is going to get ripped for a small lat and tricep,why doesnt Jay get ripped for a small arm and leg?
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WRONG!!!Ronnie said his best condition was his first one and that was his favorite win.However,he said when you look at everything,SIZE,CONDITION,FREAKINESS his best was 2003.In fact he said when he looks at that tape even today he is amazed.
By the way,I thought Ronnie beat Jay in 06 as well.If Ronnie is going to get ripped for a small lat and tricep,why doesnt Jay get ripped for a small arm and leg?
What part of my best Olympia was my first did you not grasp? everyone looks at 03 and is amazed and the general consensus among all the professionals is 2001 ASC is his best , COMPLETE OVERALL SHOWING 03 FREAKY sure best overall showing of his career? NOT BY A LONG SHOT
and you would think Ronnie beat Jay in 06 it's right in line with the rest of your statements which contradict reality
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exactly, spot on. Bodyweight means bugger all really.
a lot of people never seem to understand this....
they are caught up with ..how much do you weigh
.. a guy may weigh 250 and have 18 inch arms.. and a guy can weigh 200 and have the same size arms...
it all depends where and how each carries the weight.. i think the better genes blong to the guy who is lighter but has just as big or bigger muscles....
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exactly, spot on. Bodyweight means bugger all really.
It is because it's all about the illusion like this shot of Ronnie and Wolf hard to hell Ronnie outweighs him by a healthy margin
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Ronnie clearly has a heavier bone structure as because meat wise wolf is outsizing him in every dimension.
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Yates first Olympia was 1991 he was 239 pounds , his first Olympia win he was 242 pounds .
Bannout was just 188 pounds when he claimed his Olympia title in 1983
And Ray looked his absolute best at around 205 pounds
I really admire your world wise knowledge in regard to Bodybuilding :)
Smair in 83 with 188Ibs on his frame was unbeatable 8)
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i think that with all those roid and gh stuff i can walk on a show at 300 lbs and 6% bdf.
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Again Ronnie said his best Olympia was his first among many others and Chad had him beating Jay in 06 what does he know? Ronnie looked incredible in 03 but it wasn't his best showing because his density & dryness and detail all paled in comparison to 01 ASC as well as his balance & proportion
Ronnie '03 would beat Ronnie ASC '01. No doubt.
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NASSER destroyed them all ;D
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what Ronnie said doesn't matter
why?
because his opinion changes depending on when you ask him.
eg. in 99 he publicly stated that he was in better condition than in 1998, only with 15 pounds more mass:
http://www.dennisbweis.com/Articles/Colman.html
I was almost 15 pounds heavier than last year, with a little bit better conditioning than last year.
this is the quote the nuthuggers wish was never uttered.
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Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.
Fuck yah it is, are you crazy!
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what Ronnie said doesn't matter
why?
because his opinion changes depending on when you ask him.
eg. in 99 he publicly stated that he was in better condition than in 1998, only with 15 pounds more mass:
http://www.dennisbweis.com/Articles/Colman.html
this is the quote the nuthuggers wish was never uttered.
You're an idiot . you claim what Ronnie says doesn't matter yet you post a quote from him LMFAO
Ronnie was 249 in 1998 and 257 pounds in 1999 HOW is that 15 more pounds? and at the end of the contests guys say they were in better shape than last year but in the end they have to evaluate at the end of their careers and guess what? 1999 wasn't his best Olympia and it wasn't his best showing either
If entertaining his conditioning was better than 1998 with 10 or 15 more pounds of that would be considered his best showing and it's NOT deal with it moron
2001 > 1999
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The quote Hulkster wished was never posted ;)
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It is because it's all about the illusion like this shot of Ronnie and Wolf hard to hell Ronnie outweighs him by a healthy margin
its called a camera angle.... son
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its called a camera angle.... son
It's called superior structure kid ;)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280829.0;attach=321043;image)
ronnie is a bit behind flex and cormier in this pic............... unless flex and cormier have giant heads :)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280829.0;attach=321043;image)
ronnie is a bit behind flex and cormier in this pic............... unless flex and cormier have giant heads :)
Cormier is more than holding his own in that comparison but his conditioning isn't on par with Ronnie , who's conditioning isn't on par with Ronnie 1998
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cormier has great tear drops.... ronnie never had good tear drops.... i like shawn rays legs
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cormier has great tear drops.... ronnie never had good tear drops.... i like shawn rays legs
"vastus medialis"
hope this helps
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boom!
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His hams while they showed great detail weren't in proportion with his oversized quads this is evident in profile and was less evident when he was lighter
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you claim what Ronnie says doesn't matter yet you post a quote from him LMFAO
whoosh!!!
that was the obvious point that you missed going right over your head. ::)
YOU keep quoting that Ronnie said that 98 was his best, and I simply showed you (as always) that he has PUBLICLY claimed otherwise.
so you cannot quote what ronnie said use that to 'prove' what his best shape was..since his opinion varies.
can't believe you were stupid enough not to see the point that I was making, after all, it was so bloody obvious..
::)
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whoosh!!!
that was the obvious point that you missed going right over your head. ::)
YOU keep quoting that Ronnie said that 98 was his best, and I simply showed you (as always) that he has PUBLICLY claimed otherwise.
so you cannot quote what ronnie said use that to 'prove' what his best shape was..since his opinion varies.
can't believe you were stupid enough not to see the point that I was making, after all, it was so bloody obvious..
::)
Moron listen to me it's NOT only Ronnie who is claiming this the general consensus is 1998 was his best Olympia and 2001 was his best showing
and every year a guy will say he's at his best it's not until the end of their careers can they sit down and figure out what was the best showing and in doing this Ronnie said 1998 for the Olympia and Dorian did at the end of his and came up with 1993/1995 which coincides with the rest of the professionals claim
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and every year a guy will say he's at his best
yes, but with Ronnie there is proof (any vids/pics from both contests) to corroberate what he said. you always forget this.. ::)
and even McGough agrees that 99 was better than 98, since he specifically mentions 99 (not 98) in his article of the 10 best Mr. O's ever.
nice try though ND. you always get owned by me.
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yes, but with Ronnie there is proof (any vids/pics from both contests) to corroberate what he said. you always forget this.. ::)
and even McGough agrees that 99 was better than 98, since he specifically mentions 99 (not 98) in his article of the 10 best Mr. O's ever.
nice try though ND. you always get owned by me.
There are pics and vids clearly showing Ronnie was harder & drier in 1998 than 1999 , you look at the pics and see what you want , case in point ....Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian ::) you know what again? NOTHING
And McGough doesn't say Ronnie was better conditioned in 1999 VS 1998 stop making shit up , just because he said it was better doesn't mean he was better conditioned ;) in fact in the same article he says 2001 is Ronnie's best . in fact he's remained consistent that Ronnie was better conditioned in his first Olympia which coincides with other professionals have said
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
Where is 1999? NO WHERE
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
Where is 1999? NO WHERE
review of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page 90:
257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98. In comparison to 98, his thighs are enourmous with a greater sweep and his front delts have improved; plus the pec anomaly (gyno) is no longer present.
Stating the obvious
Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001
RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .
ha ha ha " NOT as sharp as 98 " in 99 not as sharp in 00 as in 99 which would seem to say Ronnie is better at a lighter weight
Ronnie what was your best Olympia? Ronnie Coleman: I would say my first because my conditioning was spot-on."
You own shit...you don't know shit and you're proven wrong by me again ;)
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Ronnie is better than Dorian.
Fact.
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Ronnie is better than Dorian.
Fact.
No one said anything about Dorian until you did , looks like someone owns your mind ;)
and Dorian always beat Ronnie
Fact. ;D ;)
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Haney always beat Dorian, so what.
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Haney always beat Dorian, so what.
Always? Haney faced Dorian ONCE and Dorian beat him in the muscularity round , if Dorian had years like Ronnie did he would have beat Haney that's the difference ;) thanks for playing though
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Haha apply this logic to Ronnie vs Dorian and observe your biased stupidity. Dorian only ever knew loss against Haney. You endlessly pretend Ronnie's losses to Dorian mean he would never have beaten him, yet clearly his best years came later. Ronnie lost a whole load of shows to a load of people earlier in his career, people he later destroyed in competition. Dorian would have fallen into this bracket. He wiped the floor with Flex and Kevin the same way Dorian did, so you have to at least admit it would have been close? Unfortunately for you the lines in '03 Ronnie ass would have consumed little Dorian.
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Haha apply this logic to Ronnie vs Dorian and observe your biased stupidity. Dorian only ever knew loss against Haney. You endlessly pretend Ronnie's losses to Dorian mean he would never have beaten him, yet clearly his best years came later. Ronnie lost a whole load of shows to a load of people earlier in his career, people he later destroyed in competition. Dorian would have fallen into this bracket. He wiped the floor with Flex and Kevin the same way Dorian did, so you have to at least admit it would have been close? Unfortunately for you the lines in '03 Ronnie ass would have consumed little Dorian.
gay troll meltdown
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Haha apply this logic to Ronnie vs Dorian and observe your biased stupidity. Dorian only ever knew loss against Haney. You endlessly pretend Ronnie's losses to Dorian mean he would never have beaten him, yet clearly his best years came later. Ronnie lost a whole load of shows to a load of people earlier in his career, people he later destroyed in competition. Dorian would have fallen into this bracket. He wiped the floor with Flex and Kevin the same way Dorian did, so you have to at least admit it would have been close? Unfortunately for you the lines in '03 Ronnie ass would have consumed little Dorian.
well said.
but the nuthuggers are too stupid to realize that ronnie lost to everyone back then. they only focus on dorian, disregarding all the people in between them..
ronnie was pathetic back then. seriously. everyone beat him. including dorian.
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Is it really necesssary to go over 250lb..?? Don't you lose condition for more size.
contest weight...discuss
Coleman's first O victory 248 lbs. said he looked his best at this weight.
Yates in 1992 first O 250lb.
Haney 250lb.
Arnold 235lb.
Bannout 215-220lb.
Zane 185-200lb.
Franco 185-200lb.
Levrone 245-250lb.
Flex 220lb. in 1993, 235lb. in 1998.
Ray 215lb. in 1994, 1996.
Please don't post bodybuilding related topics on this board.
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well said.
but the nuthuggers are too stupid to realize that ronnie lost to everyone back then. they only focus on dorian, disregarding all the people in between them..
ronnie was pathetic back then. seriously. everyone beat him. including dorian.
He wasn't pathetic back then 1996/1997 he was awesome a top tier pro but he wasn't at his best yet and I do think Ronnie at his best could give Dorian a real run for his money and Dorian beat EVERYONE back then ;)
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cant believe yet another thread turned into Dorian v Ronnie ::)