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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Moen on May 18, 2009, 01:49:33 AM
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Yesterday the Belgian Nationals was held in Holland (they do it in Holland to avoid some law(s))
The Belgian doping committee arrived at the weigh in and instantly every single competitor left (even the women) and the contest was canceled right away. Fucking hilarious ! It's all over the newspapers today obviously
Whats even more funny is the pictures of past events, these guys are smaller than most guys at natural shows are (go figure huh)
Last year's nationals pics: http://www.nabba.be/finals2008.htm (http://www.nabba.be/finals2008.htm)
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at least they are unified in their disgust at doping tests
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lol. Brilliant
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(http://www.geocities.com/theactionkingsa/TheVillain-1.jpg)
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who's the handsome stranger on the right?
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Yesterday the Belgian Nationals was held in Holland (they do it in Holland to avoid some law(s))
The Belgian doping committee arrived at the weigh in and instantly every single competitor left (even the women) and the contest was canceled right away. Fucking hilarious ! It's all over the newspapers today obviously
Whats even more funny is the pictures of past events, these guys are smaller than most guys at natural shows are (go figure huh)
Last year's nationals pics: http://www.nabba.be/finals2008.htm (http://www.nabba.be/finals2008.htm)
i thought nabba athletes aren't tested?
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i thought nabba athletes aren't tested?
LOL :D
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LOL :D
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They seem to have rules concerning doping so I guess they do?
This test (or attempt to test) was done by the Belgian doping authority though, not nabba itself.
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Are steroids a big deal in Belgium so??
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Do this doping committee have jurisdiction in another country and in an organization that does not test the "athletes"? ::)
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Nothing is important over here bro, I bet even those bodybuilders were glad to finally get some attention, albeit from people out to get them 8)
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Do this doping committee have jurisdiction in another country and in an organization that does not test the "athletes"? ::)
Yes. National commission can test any athlete competing under their flag wherever that may be.
The organisers apparently didnt even know this themselves, hence why they have been organising the Belgian nationals in Holland to this day :D
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Are steroids a big deal in Belgium so??
belgium and netherland are roids eldorado in northern europa.
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My understanding from a friend in Belgium, the doping commission has jurisdiction because many years ago NABBA Belgium requested recognition from the government as an official sports organization. IFBB Belgium did the same. Had it been just a private company or individual putting on a show, then they wouldn't have jurisdiction.
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belgium tv speaks about at this moment, it's the big deal, a lot of cliché about bbing on the reportage .
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Thats the only way ESPN.COM has BB in their main page !
LOL!!!
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They ran from the doping inspectors??
I don't really believe that.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=4175375
hahaha, i hope they didnt forget their needles and horse testosterone
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the Belgians make these inspections to see some dicks
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They ran from the doping inspectors??
I don't really believe that.
the inspectors were government officials, pretty much law enforcement officials, with the authorization to ban you from all sports for two years, giving you a permanent record. perhaps even affect your ability to get a job or government benefits.
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A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAH AHAHA AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HA HA HA HA AHHAHAHHAH AHAQHA HA HAH AHHA AHHAHHHA AHAHHAHHA HAHAH
i can only imagine
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lol... ALL DRUGS!!!! ;D
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http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=4175375
Event canceled after competitors flee
BRUSSELS -- The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been canceled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.
A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," doping official Hans Cooman said Monday.
Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition.
Cooman says the sport has a history of doping "and this incident didn't do its reputation any good."
During testing of bodybuilding events last year, doping authorities of northern Belgium's Flanders region found that three-quarters of the competitors tested positive.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
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"Cooman says the sport has a history of doping"
:D ;D
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There are some good comments too...just click the comments section at the bottom of the page :)
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Comment from an obvious bottom twink...
barryale (5/18/2009 at 4:15 PM) Report Violation their body types are not that of an ideal athlete. What's their average life span? Carrying that much muscle is not healthy, without even taking into consideration the dangerous drugs they are ingesting to look that way. Yes, there are other athletes who are out of shape, but the "ideal" professional bodybuilder would have difficulty doing most activities the commoner would deem "athletic".
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Comment from an obvious bottom twink...
barryale (5/18/2009 at 4:15 PM) Report Violation their body types are not that of an ideal athlete. What's their average life span? Carrying that much muscle is not healthy, without even taking into consideration the dangerous drugs they are ingesting to look that way. Yes, there are other athletes who are out of shape, but the "ideal" professional bodybuilder would have difficulty doing most activities the commoner would deem "athletic".
this guy was smoking a marlboro and sipping Code Red while typing.
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There are some good comments too...just click the comments section at the bottom of the page :)
;D
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this guy was smoking a marlboro and sipping Code Red while typing.
While wearing a TapOut shirt and sobbing over a recent owning he suffered on GetBig.
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Hans Coorman. ::) HELLO! MCFLY!!
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Pro Bodybuilding is a world wide joke!
None of these so-called Pro's can hold their heads up high and claim they are an athlete!
The world community sees these so-called Pro's as repressed, insecure, little-drug-affected-retards who need syringes and chemicals to feel validated!
This drug sport is an embarrassment and a sham. To think that people like Chick defend its legitimacy!
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On Yahoo's front page:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090518/ap_on_sp_ot/bodybuilders_flee
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On Yahoo's front page:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090518/ap_on_sp_ot/bodybuilders_flee
HAHAHAHAHAH THEY REALLY SHOWED THOSE BODYBUILDERS!! ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT! STUPID BODYBUILDERS!! BAHAHAHA!!!!
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HAHAHAHAHAH THEY REALLY SHOWED THOSE BODYBUILDERS!! ANOTHER VICTORY FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT! STUPID BODYBUILDERS!! BAHAHAHA!!!!
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Bodybuilding is a stupid fag sport to begin with, and making fun of drugged up morons = good stuff for the general population who sees bodybuilders as freaks and weirdos anyway.
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Bodybuilding is a stupid fag sport to begin with, and making fun of drugged up morons = good stuff for the general population who sees bodybuilders as freaks and weirdos anyway.
Same goes for the idiots in MMA and Football along with any other sport. They are all idiots here for our entertainment ;D
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Fuck the Dutch, what have they ever done for me?
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Same goes for the idiots in MMA and Football along with any other sport. They are all idiots here for our entertainment ;D
Wrong.
Bodybuilding = fags shooting themselves up with tons of drugs and getting fucked in the ass by fags after the "shows". Most BB'ers = dirt poor, and there = very little money to be earned in the "sport".
Other sports = less drugs, harder training, more healthy and much higher sums to be earned + more respect from the general population.
+ BBing = not really entertaining, only sexually arousing for fags.
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Belgian, not Dutch. NABBA Belgium was holding their contest in a town just across the border in Netherlands. There are already 4-5 threads here on this topic.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/9585824/Bodybuilders-flee-drug-testers;-event-canceled?GT1=39002
:D
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wow this story is hot of the press that i did not know of it
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Saw this on Yahoo,thought it was a joke Lol ;D
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Pro Bodybuilding is a world wide joke!
None of these so-called Pro's can hold their heads up high and claim they are an athlete!
The world community sees these so-called Pro's as repressed, insecure, little-drug-affected-retards who need syringes and chemicals to feel validated!
This drug sport is an embarrassment and a sham. To think that people like Chick defend its legitimacy!
what does that have to do with this topic? it was the amateur Belgium NABBA Nationals
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Dammit, you made this thread before me.. >:(
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Bodybuilding in 'all its forms' is viewed as an absolute joke....a drug fuelled joke....a homosexual laughing stock....a corrupt circus of fags, retards and queens.
For example, the mere site of a bodybuilder walking down the street (let alone a Bodybuilding show), brings about jeers of repulsion from bemused onlookers!
This Belgian Bodybuilding debacle is symbolic in nature. -The sight of roided-little-men fleeing in fear, backstage, when the drug-testers arrive, illustrates once again how pathetic, deluded and non-valued this so-called sport has become. The public are fed up...and so they should be!
The Belgian experience is evidence again that the mainstream are 'over' this homosexual-drug-sport....I call upon for mandatory drug testing at 'all' events, both Pro and Amateur sanctioned.
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BRUSSELS (AP) -- Ready to flex their pecs and strike a pose, bodybuilders at the Belgian championships scattered when doping officials showed up.
After a spate of positive doping tests in recent years in Belgium, the event had been moved across the Dutch border to Vlissingen for the weekend competition.
"They must have felt safe out there," doping official Hans Cooman told the Associated Press on Monday.
But Cooman and two colleagues got the necessary papers to check the tournament in the Netherlands. And when they identified themselves just before the event -- with the 20 bodybuilders weighing in and preparing themselves -- the testers drew quite a response.
The bodybuilders got up and left, preferring to quit rather than submit to doping tests. Some grabbed their gear and headed straight out the door.
"They must have been flabbergasted," Cooman said.
Bodybuilders usually take months to prepare for such championships, yet the sight of controllers was too much for them.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," Cooman said.
Bodybuilding has a long history of doping, and Cooman said this latest flap "didn't do its reputation any good."
Last year, 22 of 29 tests were positive, either for steroids or for refusing testing, a failure rate of a staggering 75 percent.
"This was the first time though we turned up in the Netherlands," Cooman said.
Minutes before the start of the championships, before even one gleaming pose was on display, organizers had no option but to tell a few hundred fans that had come to the Arsenaal theater that there was not point in staying.
Now Cooman and his colleagues will report the case to the disciplinary committee, which will have to decide whether the bodybuilders can be punished because they refused to be tested.
A man who refused to give his name at the NABBA Belgium bodybuilding federation could not explain why the competitors had suddenly rushed off and would not discuss the matter.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/more/05/18/bodybuilding.ap/index.html
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Getbigs never going to hear the end of this lol.
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Wonder when this will happen at the Olympia? :D
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Wonder when this will happen at the Olympia? :D
i can see jay cutler packing his shit up and speed walking out of the arena hahaha
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i can see jay cutler packing his shit up and speed walking out of the arena hahaha
out of breath by the parking lot.
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Wrong.
Bodybuilding = fags shooting themselves up with tons of drugs and getting fucked in the ass by fags after the "shows". Most BB'ers = dirt poor, and there = very little money to be earned in the "sport".
Other sports = less drugs, harder training, more healthy and much higher sums to be earned + more respect from the general population.
+ BBing = not really entertaining, only sexually arousing for fags.
Sports are for the mindless drones of society who work 40 hours a week.
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can't all this be on one thread, i mean come on
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Sports are for the mindless drones of society who work 40 hours a week.
Are you a meat popsticke?
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Are you a meat popsticke?
I was a catsup popsicle and i was sold to a woman in white gloves.
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This story re: Belgian Bodybuilding and its competitors fleeing, is being played-out in the media across the world. Yet, another ugly day in this so-called sports ugly history!
Yes f@cktards, another story centering around the abomination that is known as 'bodybuilding'.
This story again reaffirms the sttreotype that bodybuilding and it shows, is filled with drug abusing little men who have massive insecurity-chips on their shoulders! Amongst others things!
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the inspectors were government officials, pretty much law enforcement officials, with the authorization to ban you from all sports for two years, giving you a permanent record. perhaps even affect your ability to get a job or government benefits.
Are you kidding me? Europe is a fucked up place. The US might have made steroids controlled substances, but at least here there aren't any government officials with a right to test people running around. Only sanctioning bodies can test, their results apply to their own organization only, and they sure as hell aren't government officials or law enforcment.
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http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/9585824/Bodybuilders-flee-drug-testers;-event-canceled?GT1=39002
BRUSSELS (AP) - Ready to flex their pecs and strike a pose, bodybuilders at the Belgian championships scattered when doping officials showed up.
After a spate of positive doping tests in recent years in Belgium, the event had been moved across the Dutch border to Vlissingen for the weekend competition.
"They must have felt safe out there," doping official Hans Cooman told the Associated Press on Monday.
But Cooman and two colleagues got the necessary papers to check the tournament in the Netherlands. And when they identified themselves just before the event — with the 20 bodybuilders weighing in and preparing themselves — the testers drew quite a response.
The bodybuilders got up and left, preferring to quit rather than submit to doping tests. Some grabbed their gear and headed straight out the door.
"They must have been flabbergasted," Cooman said.
Bodybuilders usually take months to prepare for such championships, yet the sight of controllers was too much for them.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," Cooman said.
Bodybuilding has a long history of doping, and Cooman said this latest flap "didn't do its reputation any good."
Last year, 22 of 29 tests were positive, either for steroids or for refusing testing, a failure rate of a staggering 75 percent.
"This was the first time though we turned up in the Netherlands," Cooman said.
Minutes before the start of the championships, before even one gleaming pose was on display, organizers had no option but to tell a few hundred fans that had come to the Arsenaal theater that there was not point in staying.
Now Cooman and his colleagues will report the case to the disciplinary committee, which will have to decide whether the bodybuilders can be punished because they refused to be tested.
A man who refused to give his name at the NABBA Belgium bodybuilding federation could not explain why the competitors had suddenly rushed off and would not discuss the matter.
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:o
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I have it on good authority that the bodybuilders only fled when they saw "muscularny" pucker his lips to collect their urine samples ;D
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I couldn't believe it when I saw this on the front page of ESPN.com this morning, right between articles on Manny Ramirez and Tony Stewart.
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Are you kidding me? Europe is a fucked up place.
just Belgium, and just because this org requested and got government recognition as an official sports organization, although that was probably 50-60 years ago. Since they're government recognized, the government can set the rules.
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Great that a show with the full 20 competitors and probably 50 spectators now gets worldwide attention! :D
Apparently they are allowed to test randomly in gyms too, kind of like the situation in sweden atm. The doping van arrives, they look around who looks suspicious and then test asap
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Apparently they are allowed to test randomly in gyms too, kind of like the situation in sweden atm. The doping van arrives, they look around who looks suspicious and then test asap
and what is the law that they're breaking? can you be tested for traces of THC if you look like a pot head?
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A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
Yeah, I bet they "just grabbed their GEAR and ran off".
I'd be doin' the same, much like ever wannagetbigger and bigger and bigger.
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and what is the law that they're breaking? can you be tested for traces of THC if you look like a pot head?
When out in public, ofcourse.
Don't ask me why a certain law is active or not, I don't make them ;)
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;D ;D ;D
BRUSSELS -- The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been canceled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.
A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," doping official Hans Cooman said Monday.
Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition.
Cooman says the sport has a history of doping "and this incident didn't do its reputation any good."
During testing of bodybuilding events last year, doping authorities of northern Belgium's Flanders region found that three-quarters of the competitors tested positive.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=4175375
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Thanks you.
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Gee....hadn't seen this yet....
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cunts
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;D ;D ;D
BRUSSELS -- The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been canceled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.
A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," doping official Hans Cooman said Monday.
Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition.
Cooman says the sport has a history of doping "and this incident didn't do its reputation any good."
During testing of bodybuilding events last year, doping authorities of northern Belgium's Flanders region found that three-quarters of the competitors tested positive.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=4175375
???to doping officials show up?
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Repost
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let me say it again for the slow among us around the world ,,AGAIN,,BODYBUILDER USE HORMONES,,ALL OF US USE HORMONES,,THERE IS NO NATURAL BODYDBUILDING AS OF 2009 ,,IT IS LESS THAN 1% THAN THE WHOLE BODYBUILDING INDUSTRY THUS NONE EXSISTANT ,,
I DO NOT KNOW EVEN ONE SINGLE COMPETETIVE BODYBUILDER OR POWERLIFTER AS OF 2009THAT WON A COMPETITION AND IS TRUE NATURALS ,,NOT ONE!
8 OUT OF 10 FELLAS IN YORU GYM HAVE BEEN TO HORMONES IN THEIR LIFE TIME,,
AMERICANOS ARE THE WORST,,THEY ARE THE WORST ABUSERS OF HORMONES AND GENERAL USERS OF DRUGS ,,THEY WILL ALSO HIDE IT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN EVEN FROM THEIR CLOSET RELATIVES,,NOT ALL BUT MOST,,
THERE WAS ONCE NATURAL BODYBUILDING TOO BACK IN THE DAY BUT NO MORE
gh15 approved
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let me say it again for the slow among us around the world ,,AGAIN,,BODYBUILDER USE HORMONES,,ALL OF US USE HORMONES,,THERE IS NO NATURAL BODYDBUILDING AS OF 2009 ,,IT IS LESS THAN 1% THAN THE WHOLE BODYBUILDING INDUSTRY THUS NONE EXSISTANT ,,
I DO NOT KNOW EVEN ONE SINGLE COMPETETIVE BODYBUILDER OR POWERLIFTER AS OF 2009THAT WON A COMPETITION AND IS TRUE NATURALS ,,NOT ONE!
8 OUT OF 10 FELLAS IN YORU GYM HAVE BEEN TO HORMONES IN THEIR LIFE TIME,,
AMERICANOS ARE THE WORST,,THEY ARE THE WORST ABUSERS OF HORMONES AND GENERAL USERS OF DRUGS ,,THEY WILL ALSO HIDE IT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN EVEN FROM THEIR CLOSET RELATIVES,,NOT ALL BUT MOST,,
THERE WAS ONCE NATURAL BODYBUILDING TOO BACK IN THE DAY BUT NO MORE
gh15 approved
Yes! And thera lots of other sports that use even more steroids that bbing... The difference is that 90% of bbers do not deny the use of steroids, but in every other sport, 90% of the athletes deny the use of steroids... So which one is more respectable? ;)
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Yes! And thera lots of other sports that use even more steroids that bbing... The difference is that 90% of bbers do not deny the use of steroids, but in every other sport, 90% of the athletes deny the use of steroids... So which one is more respectable? ;)
I see your point, but this bit? Come on now.
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Tim is likely right about this situation.
Chances are this federation decided to get themselves recognized by their government and be in the running for government funding.
Once they receive tax payers money then they are subject to doping controls just like any other sport.
They figured they could get around it by holding their show in holland but it didn't work.
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I see your point, but this bit? Come on now.
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;D ;D ;D
BRUSSELS -- The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been canceled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.
A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," doping official Hans Cooman said Monday.
Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition.
Cooman says the sport has a history of doping "and this incident didn't do its reputation any good."
During testing of bodybuilding events last year, doping authorities of northern Belgium's Flanders region found that three-quarters of the competitors tested positive.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=4175375
breaking news. ::)
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Yes! And thera lots of other sports that use even more steroids that bbing... The difference is that 90% of bbers do not deny the use of steroids, but in every other sport, 90% of the athletes deny the use of steroids... So which one is more respectable? ;)
No there are not a lot of other sports where they use more steroids than bodybuilding. There are a lot of drugs in other sports, cycling for example, but steroid use is highest in bb, with the exception of powerlifting where some use very heavy stacks. Then again it's not impossible to be a good powerlifter in the IPF for example without drugs, and place well, even win sometimes. But that's largely due to the assistance gear they use to their advantage (= they aren't extremely strong muscularly but are technicians and use the suits well). I know for a fact that you could take a medal at World Champs in IPF PL without ever using steroids. Medal in IFBB World Champs - not going to happen without drugs.
Bodybuilding = drugs. Other sports = drugs are involved but it's not an absolute impossibility to be a good tennis player or whatever without massive steroid use. Unlike bodybuilding.
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No there are not a lot of other sports where they use more steroids than bodybuilding. There are a lot of drugs in other sports, cycling for example, but steroid use is highest in bb, with the exception of powerlifting where some use very heavy stacks. Then again it's not impossible to be a good powerlifter in the IPF for example without drugs, and place well, even win sometimes. But that's largely due to the assistance gear they use to their advantage (= they aren't extremely strong muscularly but are technicians and use the suits well). I know for a fact that you could take a medal at World Champs in IPF PL without ever using steroids. Medal in IFBB World Champs - not going to happen without drugs.
Bodybuilding = drugs. Other sports = drugs are involved but it's not an absolute impossibility to be a good tennis player or whatever without massive steroid use. Unlike bodybuilding.
thats right, whats funny is that you need to take steroids to win a medal in the IFBB worlds yet the IFBB test the bodybuilders and act like they have an anti doping policy, ::)
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;D ;D ;D
BRUSSELS -- The Belgian bodybuilding championship has been canceled after doping officials showed up and all the competitors fled.
A doping official says bodybuilders just grabbed their gear and ran off when he came into the room.
"I have never seen anything like it and hope never to see anything like it again," doping official Hans Cooman said Monday.
Twenty bodybuilders were entered in the weekend competition.
Cooman says the sport has a history of doping "and this incident didn't do its reputation any good."
During testing of bodybuilding events last year, doping authorities of northern Belgium's Flanders region found that three-quarters of the competitors tested positive.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=4175375
Nothing special... ::)
It happened in Hungary too 3 years ago and it can happen again at any hungarian contests... ;D
European IFBB (in most of the European countries) is not like the NPC... :-\
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CBS4 obtains picshttp://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=bodybuilding&x=wrt&c=av (http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=bodybuilding&x=wrt&c=av)
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When out in public, ofcourse.
Don't ask me why a certain law is active or not, I don't make them ;)
the key word in my question was looking like a pot head, not being intoxicated in public, but just fitting the profile. you said that officials can order a drug test for just looking like you might have used steroids in the past. can they randomly stop people and order tests for pot for just looking like a stoner?
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No there are not a lot of other sports where they use more steroids than bodybuilding. There are a lot of drugs in other sports, cycling for example, but steroid use is highest in bb, with the exception of powerlifting where some use very heavy stacks. Then again it's not impossible to be a good powerlifter in the IPF for example without drugs, and place well, even win sometimes. But that's largely due to the assistance gear they use to their advantage (= they aren't extremely strong muscularly but are technicians and use the suits well). I know for a fact that you could take a medal at World Champs in IPF PL without ever using steroids. Medal in IFBB World Champs - not going to happen without drugs.
Bodybuilding = drugs. Other sports = drugs are involved but it's not an absolute impossibility to be a good tennis player or whatever without massive steroid use. Unlike bodybuilding.
Still... 90% of the athletes you mentioned never admit the use of steroids, which, in my point of view doesn't make them more respectable...
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the key word in my question was looking like a pot head, not being intoxicated in public, but just fitting the profile. you said that officials can order a drug test for just looking like you might have used steroids in the past. can they randomly stop people and order tests for pot for just looking like a stoner?
When out in public, sure, why wouldnt they if they are deemed suspicious?
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When out in public, sure, why wouldnt they if they are deemed suspicious?
because anyone can be deemed suspicious at any time. In the US that would be a violation of the 4th Amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution).
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LMAO!!
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http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/05/18/2009-nabba-belgium-nationals-cancelled-after-steroid-testers-surprise-competitors/ (http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/2009/05/18/2009-nabba-belgium-nationals-cancelled-after-steroid-testers-surprise-competitors/)