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"I am resigning as head of the republican party.
I never sought this office. It was labeled onto me. "
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"I am resigning as head of the republican party.
I never sought this office. It was labeled onto me. "
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good riddance Mirza
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"I am resigning as head of the republican party.
I never sought this office. It was labeled onto me. "
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It was a goof.He then said he gives it to Colin Powell and Powell should lead the republicans as Powell thinks he knows whats best for the party.Higher taxes,more government,government take overs of buisiness,tax money paying for foreign abortions etc etc.
By the way,Powell looks like a f'n fool today when he said "Americans want higher taxes and more government in their lives:".Really?Well,California just shot down, by OVERWHELMING margins, that theory.As usual,the libs dont know what the hell they are talking about.Powell is a f'n fool as lib pretending to be a republican.His brand of politics is death for republicans.
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It amazes me the complete lack of respect bestowed upon Powell by the republicans as soon as he disagrees with the majority of them. Powell was one of the few men with integrity and honor serving in the Bush administration. The fact Cheney now wants to taint his reputation isn't surprising because he never liked him. Rush following suit isn't surprising either. This is the same guy who helped scuttle McCain's election bid because he wasn't "conservative enough'.
When are the republicans going to wake up?
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It amazes me the complete lack of respect bestowed upon Powell by the republicans as soon as he disagrees with the majority of them. Powell was one of the few men with integrity and honor serving in the Bush administration. The fact Cheney now wants to taint his reputation isn't surprising because he never liked him. Rush following suit isn't surprising either. This is the same guy who helped scuttle McCain's election bid because he wasn't "conservative enough'.
When are the republicans going to wake up?
Powell gave up on integrity and honour when he lied about WMD.
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Powell gave up on integrity and honour when he lied about WMD.
Powell didn't knowingly lie about anything. The information given to him was a lie. Big difference. He knew it was a mistake he even said it was going to be a drawn out war but he's there to advise not make the decisions.
Why do you think he never sought to stay on after his first term? He could have but he knew his integrity had taken a hit with the poor information he was given. That right there tells you this guy admitted his wrongs which is more than the rest of that staff have done.
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Powell didn't knowingly lie about anything. The information given to him was a lie. Big difference. He knew it was a mistake he even said it was going to be a drawn out war but he's there to advise not make the decisions.
Why do you think he never sought to stay on after his first term? He could have but he knew his integrity had taken a hit with the poor information he was given. That right there tells you this guy admitted his wrongs which is more than the rest of that staff have done.
Powell left the party when he supported the most left wing liberal in the history of the country!!!!A guy that stands for a TOTAL government takeover of the country.Powell did this while THE MOST moderate republican was running.A guy who Powell WANTS to be the head of the party.He is a disgrace!
Let me ask you.Should republicans support a guy that says "Americans want higher taxes and more government".Would the democrats embrace a guy who said we need to shrink our government and let the private secter rule!
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Powell didn't knowingly lie about anything. The information given to him was a lie. Big difference. He knew it was a mistake he even said it was going to be a drawn out war but he's there to advise not make the decisions.
Why do you think he never sought to stay on after his first term? He could have but he knew his integrity had taken a hit with the poor information he was given. That right there tells you this guy admitted his wrongs which is more than the rest of that staff have done.
Fair enough. To his credit GW DID look for the WMDs under his couch...
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Powell left the party when he supported the most left wing liberal in the history of the country!!!!A guy that stands for a TOTAL government takeover of the country.Powell did this while THE MOST moderate republican was running.A guy who Powell WANTS to be the head of the party.He is a disgrace!
Let me ask you.Should republicans support a guy that says "Americans want higher taxes and more government".Would the democrats embrace a guy who said we need to shrink our government and let the private secter rule!
I'm not saying you have to agree with what he says at all. But do not publicly try to embarrass someone who has done more good than rush ever has for the united states of america.
This is a former 4 star general, someone who served under Bush Sr and was thought of so highly that he was recommended for his son. You don't have to agree with him but DO NOT try to embarrass him for having a different view point.
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I'm not saying you have to agree with what he says at all. But do not publicly try to embarrass someone who has done more good than rush ever has for the united states of america.
This is a former 4 star general, someone who served under Bush Sr and was thought of so highly that he was recommended for his son. You don't have to agree with him but DO NOT try to embarrass him for having a different view point.
Everything that man did was undone by his support for Obama.He helped a man get elected that is purposely trying to destroy the nation.His different viewpoint is supporting the destruction of America.Sorry,we dont look at that like its a different viewpoint.
This is as stupid as when Obama said "we need to find common ground on abortion".THERE IS NO COMMON GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO ABORTION!!!
Rush has done MUCH more for conservatives then Powell ever has ,thats why he is THE MOST listened to talk show host in the country.
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Everything that man did was undone by his support for Obama.
A lifetime of serving his country means nothing because he didn't support a puppet moderate like Mccain?
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Everything that man did was undone by his support for Obama.He helped a man get elected that is purposely trying to destroy the nation.His different viewpoint is supporting the destruction of America.Sorry,we dont look at that like its a different viewpoint.
This is as stupid as when Obama said "we need to find common ground on abortion".THERE IS NO COMMON GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO ABORTION!!!
Rush has done MUCH more for conservatives then Powell ever has ,thats why he is THE MOST listened to talk show host in the country.
"BILLY MINIMUM" acts like Rush's ratings equals dollars in "BILLY'S" pockets. LOL As dumb as Joe The Plumber associating himself with people making $250K+ when his broke ass barely makes $40K.
Rush will continue making millions off of the repubs ineptness, and the sheeple listening will think he's a force for good for the GOP.
No doubt this "BILLY MINIMUM" kid is a potential stroke victim every time he posts. I can just see him all redfaced, pounding his keyboard as his hero Rush blares in the background. :D
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The Dems wish they had a Rush equal.
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It amazes me the complete lack of respect bestowed upon Powell by the republicans as soon as he disagrees with the majority of them. Powell was one of the few men with integrity and honor serving in the Bush administration. The fact Cheney now wants to taint his reputation isn't surprising because he never liked him. Rush following suit isn't surprising either. This is the same guy who helped scuttle McCain's election bid because he wasn't "conservative enough'.
When are the republicans going to wake up?
Again...do u not follow politics. Powell went before the UN and lied. If u don't believe Bush about WMD's in Iraq, u can't believe in Powell either. Powell should have resigned if he didn't go along with the plan. That act could have forstalled the invasion, if he felt that strongly. Just because Powell is black or whatever should not make him any less guilty, if u believe Bush lied to the American people. Powell was against the Gulf War as well.
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Colin Powell is a great American. I really disagree with his endorsement of Obama, but he's still a great American.
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Let me ask you.Should republicans support a guy that says "Americans want higher taxes and more government".Would the democrats embrace a guy who said we need to shrink our government and let the private secter rule!
As opposed to supporting a guy that lies to the American public, draws the country into a needless irrelevant war in Iraq and then continues his idiotic policies even when his own ground crew is deserting him and telling him it is wrong.
What's your excuse then?
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The Dems wish they had a Rush equal.
Don't need one.
Formulating independent thought through a logical process spares us the need to get our daily marching orders from a drug addict radio personality.
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A lifetime of serving his country means nothing because he didn't support a puppet moderate like Mccain?
Are you trying to compare Colin Powells service to McCains?Are you that fucking stupid?Did Powell rot in a concentration camp for his country like McCain did?Did he ever get his limbs snapped for his country?Did he ever say "I will stay here until my men come hom"?Did Powell ever run for a fucking thing where he had to DEFEND his views?NO,HE DID NONE OF THOSE THINGS!!!!!!Powell got where he was because of REPUBLICANS!!!!Democrats did NOTHING for him.Your post is your dumbest yet.Powell wants a more moderate party yet didnt support THE MOST moderate republican in history.
He is a sellout who sold his soul over race.PERIOD!!!
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Don't need one.
Formulating independent thought through a logical process spares us the need to get our daily marching orders from a drug addict radio personality.
No,instead they put one in congress up in Rhode Island and let him vote on issues that are vital to this country.Along with his fat,drunken murdering father.NOW THATS a party!!!
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Maybe the MOST MODERATE Republican should have chosen a better qualified VP candidate to appeal to Powell and the rest of the party in order to get votes and support.
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No,instead they put one in congress up in Rhode Island and let him vote on issues that are vital to this country.Along with his fat,drunken murdering father.NOW THATS a party!!!
Which is still a higher position than Rush will ever have.
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Which is still a higher position than Rush will ever have.
Sorry,according to you guys Rush is the head of the GOP and THE MOST important man in the party and the leader of the GOP.Neither Kennedy is refered to as that.So,according to Obamas administration Rush is FAR more important and powerfull then Kennedy.
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Sorry,according to you guys Rush is the head of the GOP and THE MOST important man in the party and the leader of the GOP.
Leading a party that is failing at every turn isn't exactly a note worthy accomplishment.
So therefore, looks like Kennedy is doing better in that regard.
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Leading a party that is failing at every turn isn't exactly a note worthy accomplishment.
So therefore, looks like Kennedy is doing better in that regard.
Well then why do you dems put so much energy into talking about him,trying to minimize him,ranting about him,insaulting him.Obviously THEY find him a very real threat or they never would mention him.Bill Oreilly NEVER mentions Olbermans name because he thinks Olberman is a nothing.The democrats and MSNBC in particular,can not go ONE day without mentioning Rush!!!He must be more important to them then just about anyone in the world.
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Because we are laughing at him and the silly people that listen to him.
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Because we are laughing at him and the silly people that listen to him.
No,they are not laughing.They made him a target because they ARE SCARED OF HIM!!!Just as they shit in their pants when they hear Chenney[who destroyed Obama today].People you laugh at,you laugh once and then ignore them.They mention him DAILY..
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It was a goof.He then said he gives it to Colin Powell and Powell should lead the republicans as Powell thinks he knows whats best for the party.Higher taxes,more government,government take overs of buisiness,tax money paying for foreign abortions etc etc.
By the way,Powell looks like a f'n fool today when he said "Americans want higher taxes and more government in their lives:".Really?Well,California just shot down, by OVERWHELMING margins, that theory.As usual,the libs dont know what the hell they are talking about.Powell is a f'n fool as lib pretending to be a republican.His brand of politics is death for republicans.
Dude... The California citizens voted like idiots.
They shot down:
1. Taxes
2. Spending
3. Cuts in personnel
4. Cuts in services
So I ask you, where do they expect to fix the budget problem if they don't get taxed, or cut spending, or cut services, or government personnel.
They want to keep everything, save no money, but don't want to be taxed higher.
That's moronic.
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Dude... The California citizens voted like idiots.
They shot down:
1. Taxes
2. Spending
3. Cuts in personnel
4. Cuts in services
So I ask you, where do they expect to fix the budget problem if they don't get taxed, or cut spending, or cut services, or government personnel.
They want to keep everything, save no money, but don't want to be taxed higher.
That's moronic.
The cuts were a joke!!!!They need to do away with MANY agencies that do nothing but double work.They need to redue the pension plans of government workers.etc.
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The cuts were a joke!!!!They need to do away with MANY agencies that do nothing but double work.They need to redue the pension plans of government workers.etc.
That doesn't take away from the fact that the citizens that you are quoting are absolutely moronic if they think they can keep everything they have and not have to pay more for it.
Why you would use a group of voters as your talking point who apparently have no idea how to balance their own checkbook is beyond me.
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That doesn't take away from the fact that the citizens that you are quoting are absolutely moronic if they think they can keep everything they have and not have to pay more for it.
Why you would use a group of voters as your talking point who apparently have no idea how to balance their own checkbook is beyond me.
They are not going to have a choice since they are about to lose both.
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That doesn't take away from the fact that the citizens that you are quoting are absolutely moronic if they think they can keep everything they have and not have to pay more for it.
Why you would use a group of voters as your talking point who apparently have no idea how to balance their own checkbook is beyond me.
MY POINT WAS ,pOWELL SAID aMERICANS want MORE TAXES AND MORE GOVERNMENT.WELL,MORE TAXES AND MORE GOVERNMENT FAILED EVEN IN SAN FRAN.In the end it wont matter because WE will bail out Cali. and pay MORE taxes anyway.
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MY POINT WAS ,pOWELL SAID aMERICANS want MORE TAXES AND MORE GOVERNMENT.WELL,MORE TAXES AND MORE GOVERNMENT FAILED EVEN IN SAN FRAN.In the end it wont matter because WE will bail out Cali. and pay MORE taxes anyway.
I'm just discussing what you said about the citizens of California... Obviously Powell was incorrect in that statement.
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Again...do u not follow politics. Powell went before the UN and lied. If u don't believe Bush about WMD's in Iraq, u can't believe in Powell either. Powell should have resigned if he didn't go along with the plan. That act could have forstalled the invasion, if he felt that strongly. Just because Powell is black or whatever should not make him any less guilty, if u believe Bush lied to the American people. Powell was against the Gulf War as well.
He did resign HH6 and yes he did lie to the UN but no knowingly. You know this so don't pretend you don't. At that time US intelligence said the there were possible WMD's and biological weapons in Iraq. Heck biological weapons information was given by the US to Iraq during the 1980's it was thought that in the 20 years since they likely had a decent arsenal and they had used them before on their own people. In the end it was found that there were no WMD's and in hindsight i guess you could say Bush and Powell lied. But you would be wrong. At the time of those statements it was widely believed to be the truth. Hell even English intelligence couldn't refute it that's how little was known, and they ended up in he war too.
It cost Powell his job. I don't believe he knowingly lied.
As for Powell resigning because he was against going into Iraq what a stupid, stupid statement. So basically as an adviser to the president if you disagree on anything you should resign? Why have anyone who doesn't agree with you then.
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Powell is a better man than Cheney or Rush will ever be.
Anyone who says otherwise is just a complete idiot.
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Powell is a better man than Cheney or Rush will ever be.
Anyone who says otherwise is just a complete idiot.
Fuck you,who the fuck are you to judge anyone.I dont care if hes a better man.HE IS A SHITTY REPUBLICAN !!!!HE HAS SHITTY POLITICAL VIEWS!!!!!!HE SHOULD GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND BECOME A DEMOCRAT!!!!!WE DONT WANT HIM,HE DOESNT SPEAK FOR CONSERVATIVES,HES A FILTHY LIB WITH AN INSANE WIFE!!!!!!!!
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Funny that some in this thread regard Powell as not lying, but accuse the "Bush admin" of lying....can't have it both ways fellas.
I don't think Powell lied, just like I don't think Bush lied. They both acted on faulty intel.
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Fuck you,who the fuck are you to judge anyone.I dont care if hes a better man.HE IS A SHITTY REPUBLICAN !!!!HE HAS SHITTY POLITICAL VIEWS!!!!!!HE SHOULD GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND BECOME A DEMOCRAT!!!!!WE DONT WANT HIM,HE DOESNT SPEAK FOR CONSERVATIVES,HES A FILTHY LIB WITH AN INSANE WIFE!!!!!!!!
Based on your viewpoint and the general direction of the GOP, Powell - in addition to being a better man than Cheney, Bush and Rush ever will be - is actually a better man than the GOP as a party deserves.
Interesting you ask me who am I am to judge anyone and yet the first thing you do is judge the man on everything from his skin color, his political views, his choice of wife, etc.. Might want to learn the definition of "hypocrisy" before making yourself look like a fool.
He's a better Republican than the rest of the far right idiots could ever be.
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Based on your viewpoint and the general direction of the GOP, Powell - in addition to being a better man than Cheney, Bush and Rush ever will be - is actually a better man than the GOP as a party deserves.
Interesting you ask me who am I am to judge anyone and yet the first thing you do is judge the man on everything from his skin color, his political views, his choice of wife, etc.. Might want to learn the definition of "hypocrisy" before making yourself look like a fool.
He's a better Republican than the rest of the far right idiots could ever be.
How can a man that campaigned for THE MOST LIBERAL democrat in history be a "good republican".Please explain that brilliant observation.How can a "good" republican say "America wants higher taxes and more government in their lives".IF YOU STAND AGAINST THE VERY TENANT OF THE PARTY HOW CAN YOU BE GOOD FOR THE PARTY?You make no sense,he makes no sense and the libs who support him make no sense.
Thats like a guy who supports abortion,doesnt believe in recieving communion,and hates the Pope saying "Im a good Catholic".Its impossible to be against the things the party stands for and be good for the party..You ARE NOT a republican.Stick to dictating what your party of anti-American idiots do,NOT on our party.Powell is a democrat,he voted democrat,campaigned for a democrat.HE IS NOT A REPUBLICAN!
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The fact that he saw through the sham of McCain and the inept Palin ticket is proof of being a good Republican. The fact that the man can make a sound decision without blindly following the bleating of the party idiots shows that he has smarts too.
But hey, kick him out. Kick all the moderates out. Then the remaining 14% (if lucky) conservative jesus base can get down to business with winning elections again right? That'll work. Alienate the entire majority of free thinking party members who can draw votes from the main stream American population and independents and then sit back and expect the country to adapt to YOUR way of thinking.
Great idea. I fully endorse it. Go Repubs!! And tell them ol' Whigs we said "hi".
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The fact that he saw through the sham of McCain and the inept Palin ticket is proof of being a good Republican. The fact that the man can make a sound decision without blindly following the bleating of the party idiots shows that he has smarts too.
But hey, kick him out. Kick all the moderates out. Then the remaining 14% (if lucky) conservative jesus base can get down to business with winning elections again right? That'll work. Alienate the entire majority of free thinking party members who can draw votes from the main stream American population and independents and then sit back and expect the country to adapt to YOUR way of thinking.
Great idea. I fully endorse it. Go Repubs!! And tell them ol' Whigs we said "hi".
When Ronald Regan won in landslides did he run the way Powell wants the party to go?When Bush won ,did he run like Powell wants the party to go?NO!!!They didnt.They ran as conservative tax cutters with less government in our lives![turns out Bush was full of crap but...].Conservatives win when they run as conservatives.SMALLER GOVERNMENT,LESS INTERVENTION IN OUR LIVES,LOWER TAXES!!!These are winning issues everytime,which is why Obama lied and ran as a guy that would cut taxes.
The conservative message attracts people by proclaiming personal liberty and letting us keep our money.We LOOSE everytime we run as moderats,[DOLE,McCain].Powell,is a moderate.Independants dont vote republican when its democrat light.Reagan democrats voted republican because they want to keep their money.Powelll thinks they want to pay more in taxes.Powell thinks we want MORE government.We just ran a guy like that HE GOT CRUSHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!McCAIN IS exactly WHAT POWELL WANTED!What happened?Obliterated at the polls.
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When Ronald Regan won in landslides did he run the way Powell wants the party to go?When Bush won ,did he run like Powell wants the party to go?NO!!!They didnt.They ran as conservative tax cutters with less government in our lives![turns out Bush was full of crap but...].Conservatives win when they run as conservatives.SMALLER GOVERNMENT,LESS INTERVENTION IN OUR LIVES,LOWER TAXES!!!These are winning issues everytime,which is why Obama lied and ran as a guy that would cut taxes.
The conservative message attracts people by proclaiming personal liberty and letting us keep our money.We LOOSE everytime we run as moderats,[DOLE,McCain].Powell,is a moderate.Independants dont vote republican when its democrat light.Reagan democrats voted republican because they want to keep their money.Powelll thinks they want to pay more in taxes.Powell thinks we want MORE government.We just ran a guy like that HE GOT CRUSHED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!McCAIN IS exactly WHAT POWELL WANTED!What happened?Obliterated at the polls.
You're confusing conservatives and neo-conservatives. You guys are talking about two different things.
People have no problem with fiscal conservatives, they are all about low taxes and smaller government. Lots of people can get behind that.
The problem is that the Republican party ISN'T about smaller government and low taxes, they're just about low taxes, which equates to large amounts of debt.
They are not about staying out of your business, they want to tell you who and what you can do at all times.
Fiscal conservatives with social liberal leanings will win in this country.
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You're confusing conservatives and neo-conservatives. You guys are talking about two different things.
People have no problem with fiscal conservatives, they are all about low taxes and smaller government. Lots of people can get behind that.
The problem is that the Republican party ISN'T about smaller government and low taxes, they're just about low taxes, which equates to large amounts of debt.
They are not about staying out of your business, they want to tell you who and what you can do at all times.
Fiscal conservatives with social liberal leanings will win in this country.
I dont quite agree.I DO agree that the republicans as they stand now ARE NOT for smaller government AT ALL!!!
However,Im not sure about liberal leaning being important.Everytime gay marriage comes up on a ballot it looses,the country is now 51% pro life according to polls.Im not saying we need right wing religious kooks in there,but Im not sure if leaning left is AS important as some people think.
Now,saying that,Poweel is neither conservative on economic issues OR social issues.He is a dyed in the wood liberal through and through.Like I said YOU CANT BE Republican if your FOR higher taxes and more government.
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I dont quite agree.I DO agree that the republicans as they stand now ARE NOT for smaller government AT ALL!!!
However,Im not sure about liberal leaning being important.Everytime gay marriage comes up on a ballot it looses,the country is now 51% pro life according to polls.Im not saying we need right wing religious kooks in there,but Im not sure if leaning left is AS important as some people think.
Now,saying that,Poweel is neither conservative on economic issues OR social issues.He is a dyed in the wood liberal through and through.Like I said YOU CANT BE Republican if your FOR higher taxes and more government.
I think that in the long run, the country will always be for more Civil Liberties, perhaps the term "liberal" isn't the right term... Let's say, "promotion of civil liberties".
You bring up gay marriage, and that's fine, but remember, at one time, segregation was fought by the "liberal" groups and look at where we are.
Abortion was the same way... now abortion is done (some disagree, but I've shown where the balance of abortion is no longer on the fence, but pretty clear cut that MOST people are fine with abortion... I am not talking about it being right or wrong, but MOST people are fine with it.)
While being completely "liberal" in regards to welfare and government aide and what not is obviously not something the majority of the middle class of America agree with, I think that being for MORE inherent civil liberties is something most will get behind.
Sure, gay marriage is in it's infancy and as such will meet with resistance, but that too shall pass.
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Fuck you,who the fuck are you to judge anyone.I dont care if hes a better man.HE IS A SHITTY REPUBLICAN !!!!HE HAS SHITTY POLITICAL VIEWS!!!!!!HE SHOULD GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND BECOME A DEMOCRAT!!!!!WE DONT WANT HIM,HE DOESNT SPEAK FOR CONSERVATIVES,HES A FILTHY LIB WITH AN INSANE WIFE!!!!!!!!
LOL
Blood pressure has reached astronomical levels...call the paramedics. ;D
"BILLY MINIMUM" will say, do, and believe anything his obese, drug addicted racist hero tells him.
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The fact that he saw through the sham of McCain and the inept Palin ticket is proof of being a good Republican. The fact that the man can make a sound decision without blindly following the bleating of the party idiots shows that he has smarts too.
But hey, kick him out. Kick all the moderates out. Then the remaining 14% (if lucky) conservative jesus base can get down to business with winning elections again right? That'll work. Alienate the entire majority of free thinking party members who can draw votes from the main stream American population and independents and then sit back and expect the country to adapt to YOUR way of thinking.
Great idea. I fully endorse it. Go Repubs!! And tell them ol' Whigs we said "hi".
"BILLY" is the type of repube moron who will lead his beloved party to the way of the Whigs and the dodo bird. All while making the fat bigot of the radio airwaves richer and richer.
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Rush= very bad bbing genetics and 40%-50% bf=not good
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Fiscal conservatives with social liberal leanings will win in this country.
Except for Reagan twice, Bush Sr. once, and Dubya twice. Even Clinton wasn't a complete social liberal.
And Carter and Obama are both fiscal and social liberals.
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Except for Reagan twice, Bush Sr. once, and Dubya twice. Even Clinton wasn't a complete social liberal.
And Carter and Obama are both fiscal and social liberals.
None of those guys except for Clinton were fiscal conservatives... What are you saying?
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None of those guys except for Clinton were fiscal conservatives... What are you saying?
With the exception of Carter and Obama, they all ran as fiscal conservatives and were not were social liberals. Even the quasi-socialist Obama repeatedly talked about tax cuts. That directly cuts against the contention that "Fiscal conservatives with social liberal leanings will win in this country." They don't. I've heard the statement (even from some conservatives) that a person needs to be a social moderate (or even liberal) to win. That's not what history shows.
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With the exception of Carter and Obama, they all ran as fiscal conservatives and were not were social liberals. Even the quasi-socialist Obama repeatedly talked about tax cuts. That directly cuts against the contention that "Fiscal conservatives with social liberal leanings will win in this country." They don't. I've heard the statement (even from some conservatives) that a person needs to be a social moderate (or even liberal) to win. That's not what history shows.
But you just said, Obama won... He talked about Tax Cuts... That's fiscal conservatism. All of the Republicans talked about them... No, they were less socially liberal, but they weren't busy talking about gay marriage or abortion all of the time then either.
I believe that Obama won specifically based on his talking points about Lower taxes for middle class (fiscal conservatism ideas) and social liberalism.
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But you just said, Obama won... He talked about Tax Cuts... That's fiscal conservatism. All of the Republicans talked about them... No, they were less socially liberal, but they weren't busy talking about gay marriage or abortion all of the time then either.
I believe that Obama won specifically based on his talking points about Lower taxes for middle class (fiscal conservatism ideas) and social liberalism.
Yes Obama won, but Mondale, Carter (the second time), Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry lost. All fiscal and social liberals. No Republican presidential candidate was busy talking about homosexual marriage or abortion all the time. It rarely came up during the presidential debates. It rarely came up during campaign speeches.
Even if it did, the majority of the country is opposed to homosexual marriage and the majority of the country is either pro life or supports some abortion restrictions, so talking about those issues wouldn't hurt a conservative candidate at all.
Obama's social liberalism had zero to do with winning the election. His views are out of step with mainstream America IMO. Plus, as I said earlier, social liberals consistently lose presidential elections.
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Yes Obama won, but Mondale, Carter (the second time), Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry lost. All fiscal and social liberals. No Republican presidential candidate was busy talking about homosexual marriage or abortion all the time. It rarely came up during the presidential debates. It rarely came up during campaign speeches.
Even if it did, the majority of the country is opposed to homosexual marriage and the majority of the country is either pro life or supports some abortion restrictions, so talking about those issues wouldn't hurt a conservative candidate at all.
Obama's social liberalism had zero to do with winning the election. His views are out of step with mainstream America IMO. Plus, as I said earlier, social liberals consistently lose presidential elections.
I think his are much closer to mainstream America than McCain or Palin's.
I don't think he's right there with America, but none of them are... I think he's closer than anyone else leading either party right now.
Is he perfect, no... However he's as good as we've got right now.
What you think mainstream America wants and what I think mainstream America wants is apparently two difference things.
What's Obama's approval rating right now? 62%