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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Montague on May 20, 2009, 08:02:27 PM
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That's sick. Dude is a beast
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bump that...my elbows would snap...or i would be an amputee
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That's sick. Dude is a beast
Yeah.
I was thinking of posting this on the G&O board to see how many comments it’d get from the “experts.”
Something along the lines of:
“Look how far his elbows flare out…”
or
“Epic bringing your head up to the bar…”
;D
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Yeah.
I was thinking of posting this on the G&O board to see how many comments it’d get from the “experts.”
Something along the lines of:
“Look how far his elbows flare out…”
or
“Epic bringing your head up to the bar…”
;D
hi Alex (Du Eiger-Nordwand), bist Du es selber.....???
Karl/Charly
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Yeah.
I was thinking of posting this on the G&O board to see how many comments it’d get from the “experts.”
Something along the lines of:
“Look how far his elbows flare out…”
or
“Epic bringing your head up to the bar…”
;D
lol. I know, I'm pretty sure that's what would happen :D
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hi Alex (Du Eiger-Nordwand), bist Du es selber.....
Karl/Charly
Did you just say something dirty to me in German?
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nothing dirt....i only ask if it´s Alex himself who´s posting here ? (i know him...)
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thats not skull crushers that close grip bench presses to the head. ::)
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IT'S REMARKABLE HOW FEW PAY ATTENTION. THOSE ARE CLOSE-GRIPS TO THE FACE, WHICH BRANCH WARREN ALSO DOES. NOT A BAD EXERCISE BUT MUCH EASIER THAN EXTENSIONS; IF HE COULD REALLY DO THOSE IN EXTENSION FORM HE'D HAVE 27" ARMS.
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IT'S REMARKABLE HOW FEW PAY ATTENTION. THOSE ARE CLOSE-GRIPS TO THE FACE, WHICH BRANCH WARREN ALSO DOES. NOT A BAD EXERCISE BUT MUCH EASIER THAN EXTENSIONS; IF HE COULD REALLY DO THOSE IN EXTENSION FORM HE'D HAVE 27" ARMS.
exactly.
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I can't watch it. Is it like a JM press?
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I can't watch it. Is it like a JM press?
maybe even worse, like Pumpster siad it's basically a close grip to the face with a TINY bit of elbow flexion thrown in, still pretty impressive in and of itself to close grip 440 to the face though.
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IT'S REMARKABLE HOW FEW PAY ATTENTION. THOSE ARE CLOSE-GRIPS TO THE FACE, WHICH BRANCH WARREN ALSO DOES. NOT A BAD EXERCISE BUT MUCH EASIER THAN EXTENSIONS; IF HE COULD REALLY DO THOSE IN EXTENSION FORM HE'D HAVE 27" ARMS.
he close grips 440 and his tri's are still small. idk why skull crushing would mean all the sudden he'd start growing.
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he close grips 440 and his tri's are still small. idk why skull crushing would mean all the sudden he'd start growing.
Is mr. friendly actually asking me a question? This is the same scenario as previously discussed many times and should be obvious by now. Low reps especially with compounds don't necessarily lead to arm size, like most weight and power lifters. Anyone who develops strength on non-compound BB exercises that hit the muscles squarely and more intensely and uses moderate reps will see the muscles grow. You won't find many guys doing 150-200 lb. preachers or extensions for reps with small arms. Same with flys.
In the mid-70s as a kid i was lucky enough to live in the West Indies, which has the highest percentage of great BBs and sprinters on the planet. Oliva, Dillet, Fox, Nubret, Al Beckles, Callendar, Rick Wayne, Stubbs all from the West Indies. I was able to go to the same local gym in in Barbados as some of the top guys including Al Beckles cousin Darcy Beckles, who placed in the Universe a few times. I remember him doing 130 lb. preachers with good form, under control for reps-20" cut arms pumped on a small frame-small wrists, 27" waist.
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That is impressive, no doubt. But it looks like he is doing some horribly awful form of bench pressing then actually doing skull crushers
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you guys, of course, do realize how crazily leverages change when the weights hit a certain point and it then becomes physiologically impossible to do it with the same form one does it for high rep "pump" sets. right? i mean, otherwise you'd all look like a bunch of morons critiquing a guy doing a skullcrusher with more weight than any of you can squat.
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Most people couldn't press 275 in that fashion.
It's more difficult than you think.
Strong dude.
8)
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Most people couldn't press 275 in that fashion.
It's more difficult than you think.
Strong dude.
8)
No one ever suggested it was easy, or assumed it was. That's another issue.
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Most people couldn't press 275 in that fashion.
It's more difficult than you think.
Strong dude.
8)
even that's being pretty generous, man. i'd imagine if anyone on here tried 185 like that they'd get a dent in their forehead.
i also love the people saying "why do that if you have small triceps?!?" such a bodybuilding vanity mentality. why do something if it doesn't make you look good.
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mega strong
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i also love the people saying "why do that if you have small triceps?!?" such a bodybuilding vanity mentality. why do something if it doesn't make you look good.
Actually, focusing on strength when that wasn't the gist of the thread in the first place would clearly be the extremist position, which quite understandably isn't the priority of most on a BB site. Being strong is a nice backstory, not more than that. Lookin good easily trumps that, and he doesn't. Looks like your average fat slob actually.
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Actually, focusing on strength when that wasn't the gist of the thread in the first place would clearly be the extremist position,
I would say the point of a thread highlighting a 440lb skullcrusher was definitely strength. Otherwise the thread title would have been "28inch-armed man does skullcrushers with an empty bar!" or some such business.
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I would say the point of a thread highlighting a 440lb skullcrusher was definitely strength. Otherwise the thread title would have been "28inch-armed man does skullcrushers with an empty bar!" or some such business.
What draws the attention is the outrageous false advertising; 400 lb. extensions is ususual. 400 lb. close grips is good but not unusual or compelling, especially in the context of a BB forum-it's a lot less impressive to a BB to see someone hoist decent weight while looking like a slob.
What you see here is that in most cases guys have either a BB or power orientation. Most with the latter don't have great physiques. Different mentality; not interested personally.
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What draws the attention is the outrageous false advertising; 400 lb. extensions is ususual. 400 lb. close grips is good but not unusual or compelling, especially in the context of a BB forum-it's a lot less impressive to a BB to see someone hoist decent weight while looking like a slob.
What you see here is that in most cases guys have either a BB or power orientation. Most with the latter don't have great physiques. Different mentality; not interested personally.
Not sure how you expected to see a bodybuilder based on anything posted in the original post.
Also, these are definitely extensions. Not your typical elbows-to-the-sky strict bodybuilding skullcrushers, but if the elbow is higher than the shoulder it's sure as shit not a press. Just because the guy doing them isn't a bodybuilder and doesn't make any claims to be doesn't change the mechanics of the movement.
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Actually, focusing on strength when that wasn't the gist of the thread in the first place would clearly be the extremist position...
What draws the attention is the outrageous false advertising; 400 lb. extensions is ususual. 400 lb. close grips is good but not unusual or compelling for BB when done by someone looking like a fat slob. Meh
Not sure how you expected to see a bodybuilder based on anything posted in the original post.
Also, these are definitely extensions. Not your typical elbows-to-the-sky strict bodybuilding skullcrushers, but if the elbow is higher than the shoulder it's sure as shit not a press.
Damn, you guys really read between the lines. :D All that was in my original post was a thread title & Youtube clip.
I really didn’t have any "gist" in posting this other than to show it.
And the title I used was merely extracted from part of the clip’s title.
I knew this would generate some discussion, as lots of folks would have opinions on it.
I suppose that was a secondary intent.
Anyway, my 2 cents…
To me it doesn’t seem to be a true press OR a true extension – at least nothing conventional.
But I’m sure it has a name, and JPM probably knows it.
:)
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these are definitely extensions.
Not a chance. Fools some, obviously. Elbow positioning relative to the head and wrists is quite different and upper arm flection and ROM isn't in the same ballpark.
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Nothing like Scottish regimental bagpipes to perk up a workout or else a couple jiggers of Cutty Sark. The gentleman is very impressive, that is a huge weight to be handling in that style. OK, he does not look like a pretty boy BB'ers or have 24" guns..but than again so what?
This movement would be under the heading of WTF (some work very well), seen in many local gym's. Some WTF exercises fall into the main steam BB'ing exercises over time. And can even become standards, like some of Gironda early concepts. Or even JM presses and the half BB rows, half DL a lot of the Pro's do today.
Not a skullcrusher, or extension movement, because the upper arms are too much involved in a semi pressing manner, even with the lighter set shown. With true SC'ers, the elbows may flair out, but the upper arm is not that involved in helping with an actually pressing upward motion. Slight maybe, but not with any great extent. With any tricep extension, you want a hinge action, with the elbows the pivot center and not the upper arms taking over.
Many forms of SC, like to the forehead, top of the head and the nose or jaw. Some related versions are to the throat or upper pecs. Take your pick, all can be effective when it comes to tricep building. Though, with the extra stress on the hinge of the elbow, not meant for everyone. Main rule of thumb...warm up before attempting. Good Luck.
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This movement would be under the heading of WTF (some work very well), seen in many local gym's.
I've seen lots of guys use this principle!
;)
And although rare, I have seen the occasional impressive physique built using unorthodox form – and even movements – as the primary modus operandi.
Most others, however, seem only to be working on an injury.
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if your elbows and/or shoulders aren't under your wrists, it isn't a press. END OF STORY.
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if your elbows and/or shoulders aren't under your wrists, it isn't a press. END OF STORY.
Extensions and skulls require greater distance between the weight and the elbows, in order to create leverage and angles as well as alignment between shoulders and arms that hits the long head. The long head is the only one of the three that's arranged that way, and is not primarily hit on MOST triceps exercises. Any time the elbows are extremely wide like that it stops the alignment thing necessary to hit the long head, which is the whole point of extensions and skulls, period.
As Yates correctly said in 'guts, the long head is lazy, and is only involved when the arms/elbows line up with the shoulders. Without this, for example in presses especially with the elbows flared as he's doing quite obviously, you don't have that alignment and get far more enlistment of the medial and lateral heads. Exactly why i'd never put close-grips at the very top of the list of size builders.
If this isn't clear enough, study some anatomy. ;)
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uh... pumpy, step back for a second and review that post.
this has nothing to do with "anatomy", it has absolutely nothing to do with focusing on whatever head of the triceps, it's what constitutes a press vs an extension.
a bench press, military, dip, squat, whatever are all pressing movements because multiple joints are aligned under the weight. even in a JM press the hands stay roughly in line with the shoulders. it doesn't matter how flared his elbows are, the hands are behind the elbows which are behind the shoulders. it's not a close-grip bench, it's an extension.
you're talking about what an extension SHOULD do, which is kinda like watching scot mendelson bench 715 and going "that was a shitty bench he needs to touch a lot higher because a bench press is supposed to primarily activate the pectorals". he did it as a power move, not a bodybuilder move.
please, i'm beggin' you, stop just sitting around reading articles and watching bodybuilding DVDs. you're very good at repeating stuff, but i don't think you have much first hand experience with a weight room (although i'm more than happy to be proven wrong).
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please, i'm beggin' you, stop just sitting around reading articles and watching bodybuilding DVDs. you're very good at repeating stuff, but i don't think you have much first hand experience with a weight room (although i'm more than happy to be proven wrong).
Um magoo...kid..I've seen your pics and videos..
-You strike me as a clueless, arrogant putz, a know-all. You have NO idea of how i train, etc., and couldn't be farther off lol man talk about a desperate need to attack someone, that's you buddy. Just more of the same desperate need to resort to personal, unfounded insults that have nothing to do with training. Exactly what i'd expect of a tat-riden beligerent skinhead.
-Your pompous belief in your largely non-existent depth of knowledge has always been as highly amusing as it is illusory. You crack me up.
-I'm physically superior to you-the physique and muscles look a whole lot better-here i am well into middle age still lookin like a BB. You look like shit IMO. And that's aside from the classic angry white guy ax-murderer facial expressions and tats. Here i am close to 50, and look better than you.. :D
-My lifts were similar to yours when i cared about that, and before injuries that happen to alot of serious guys catch up with them in middle age. At the same time as i did those lifts i looked great, like a BB - not like some average putz covered in tats lol
-I doubt you could keep up with my in the gym. In any gym i'm in, i AM the hardcore area, even now in middle-age. Back in the day, one of my training partners traveled to LA and spent the summer at the original Gold's on Pacific, summer of '77. He came back and without prompting told me i trained as hard as anyone there. Still do. ;D
-I've trained longer than you've been alive and been around world-class BBs beginning in my teens. All those BBs you drool over - i saw alot of them first-hand.
-Facially i'm good lookin, and don't have your perma-angry scowl and the beedy eyes seen in all your pix. Unlike you, I great skin for tanning & showing off the physique to the max. 8)
-I try to help anyone here with my own experience..for you, i will now charge before bothering to answer you any further thanx to your beligerence..got it? Now go and follow my directives and learn some anatomy about what i told you in earlier posts.
Hope that helps LOL dismissed.
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All those BBs you drool over - i saw alot of them first-hand.
This makes me laugh.