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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: camelisator on May 25, 2009, 02:38:09 PM
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
They couldn't publish the ads if they weren't true...could they? :-\
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
The shit has hit the fan.
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hahhahahha, Just look at a company like AtLarge Nutrition who refuses to post a lab assay that I requested about one of their products. Not only is the company owner, Chris Douchebag Mason, a complete ass but he is peddeling a line of prducts the should be renamed Garbage Nutrition. Anyone who would trust a company like this is a FOOL!
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I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept
No you didn't.
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hahhahahha, Just look at a company like AtLarge Nutrition who refuses to post a lab assay that I requested about one of their products. Not only is the company owner, Chris Douchebag Mason, a complete ass but he is peddeling a line of prducts the should be renamed Garbage Nutrition. Anyone who would trust a company like this is a FOOL!
Are you saying everyone of them is pushing false images all in for a quick buck? Are there any exceptions?
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Supp companies should produce two products: creatine monohydrate and protein powder. They should put all their research in making the protein not taste like shit. Thankyou.
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Are you saying everyone of them is pushing false images all in for a quick buck? Are there any exceptions?
Certainly exceptions, ON, Labrada, and several other companies, just need to be weary about the others that just want to make a quick buck at your expense.
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Supp companies should produce two products: creatine monohydrate and protein powder. They should put all their research in making the protein not taste like shit. Thankyou.
wavelength, does it mean companies who offer generic products like TrueProtein, AllTheWhey are more honest and respectable?
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Supp companies should produce two products: creatine monohydrate and protein powder. They should put all their research in making the protein not taste like shit. Thankyou.
This they have already done and news for you wave: I am a creatine non-responder=totally useless product for me. ;D
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This they have already done and news for you wave: I am a creatine non-responder=totally useless product for me. ;D
No such thing according to bio-chemistry, you are the kind of guy who does not believe anything can be accomplished with effort, this is why you will never amount to much in life. You had to hear it sometime.
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wavelength, does it mean companies who offer generic products like TrueProtein, AllTheWhey are more honest and respectable?
As long as they don't claim their stuff is 154% more anabolic, yes.
This they have already done and news for you wave: I am a creatine non-responder=totally useless product for me. ;D
IMO they haven't and I agree, ditch the CM if you can make the protein taste better instead.
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No such thing according to bio-chemistry, you are the kind of guy who does not believe anything can be accomplished with effort, this is why you will never amount to much in life. You had to hear it sometime.
Maybe bbingwise but wake up, there is more to life than just weights and in that respect I have accomplished a few things.
BTW, this is retarded. I have tried every kind of creatine variety in existence and never noticed anything? It's not like you can fuck up using creatine. Conclusion=creatine=useless for me.
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BTW, this is retarded. I have tried every kind of creatine variety in existence and never noticed anything? It's not like you can fuck up using creatine. Conclusion=creatine=useless for me.
Don't take it too personally. Didn't do shit for me, either.
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No such thing according to bio-chemistry, you are the kind of guy who does not believe anything can be accomplished with effort, this is why you will never amount to much in life. You had to hear it sometime.
Non-responders
Approximately 20-30% of the population shows only modest responses to creatine supplementation. These individuals have been coined “non-responders” by the creatine community. Although the precise reasons for all non-responders are not fully understood, several explanations have been offered. First, the appropriate exercise task must be examined to determine the true efficacy of creatine supplementation. Creatine’s effects are most noticeable during repeated bouts of strenuous exercise. Therefore, the effects of creatine would be less obvious, possibly even undetectable, if examined in the context of endurance sports. Secondly, you muscle creatine levels must increase by at least 20% for a clear difference in physical performance to be evident. Some non-responders may possess such naturally high creatine levels that a further increase in muscle creatine content of this magnitude is simply not possible. Thirdly, since exercise increases creatine absorption, supplementing outside the context of a regular exercise routine may not give detectable results. Lastly, it now appears that the muscles of some persons might require a little bit of assistance in taking up creatine from the blood stream. It is thus likely that most non-responders will convert to full-fledged responders provided with the appropriate supplementing regimen.
Creatine: A practical guide teaches how to most effectively combine exercise, nutrition and smart creatine use for explosive muscle growth and enhanced athletic performance.
http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/glossary.html
So will you eat your words now you superhuman being? ::)
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Good companies, in no particular order
Bio-Plex, excellent protein
AST There VP2 IS GREAT
Met-RX, the original white box, the rest of it is owrthless
Natures Best iSOPURE,Whey Protein Isolate
True Protein Dante, honest knowledgable guy, who takes pride in what he does
Extreme Labs offers assays on there products
Labarada assays his products regularly
ISS There Pro M3 is a pretty good product.
Optimum Nutrition, the Pro Complex is okay, the other products arent
Species a good Whey Protein Isolate
Companies to look out for
Muscle Tech, they have no shame, exagerated claims on average products
VPX makes up chemical names
Pureform, sells orage juice as a liquid vitamin, Sells spray HGH that lemon flavored water and scam people out of money
Dymatise, sels protein cheaper then most companies can but it
IDS sells Waxey Maize that is cornstarch, and there protein in beekers is Collagen protein yet they claim its whey
BSN, NOXPLODE is just caffiene creatine monohydrate with a fancy name
Hitech Spikes products with Phamramaceuticals, Put Viagra in there Stamina RX, and Masterone in one of the test boosters.
ARLI You never know what your getting, is the product spiked or not.The guy is kind of smart but crazy
LG Sciences, flip a coin, one batch will be strong the other batch will do nothing.
Plus they like to spike products.
Champion Nutrition not a bad company, but there protein has given alot of people bloating crampoing and gas.
Ultimate Nutrition Clla there product and Protein Isolate,read the label, its Wheat protein Isolate not Whey Protein Isolate
MHP not a bad company, but there 12 hour protein the main ingredient in Soy Isolate.Do you really want to drink Soy Protein as the first ingredient?
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Ultimate Nutrition Clla there product and Protein Isolate,read the label, its Wheat protein Isolate not Whey Protein Isolate
I buy UN Prostar Whey, simply because it's the best tasting I tried so far. Too lazy to try 100 other ones.
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I buy UN Prostar Whey, simply because it's the best tasting I tried so far. Too lazy to try 100 other ones.
Only German for me... ;D
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Only German for me... ;D
Can you put 150g of it in one mixer bottle without it turning to pudding? That's the second requirement I have.
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Can you put 150g of it in one mixer bottle without it turning to pudding? That's the second requirement I have.
But I like pudding.
(http://helpendhungernow.org/_images/pudding_bowl_caa4.jpg)
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Can you put 150g of it in one mixer bottle without it turning to pudding? That's the second requirement I have.
LSP=extrem wasserloeslich! :)
Hast du Interesse?
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But I like pudding.
Me too, real pudding. Ate coconut and mango pudding today.
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LSP=extrem wasserloeslich! :)
Hast du Interesse?
zu faul zum wechseln
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zu faul zum wechseln
Guck dir doch die Produkte an, Faultier!
http://www.lsp-sports.net/epages/15510420.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15510420/Categories/Proteine
Protein Pudding=unique
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
Gotta love the "scientist" and Jays "serious" expression as the "genious" explains him the new "formula".
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hahhahahha, Just look at a company like AtLarge Nutrition who refuses to post a lab assay that I requested about one of their products. Not only is the company owner, Chris Douchebag Mason, a complete ass but he is peddeling a line of prducts the should be renamed Garbage Nutrition. Anyone who would trust a company like this is a FOOL!
No assays?
that's incredible. every company allows for this. what are they trying to hide?
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Guck dir doch die Produkte an, Faultier!
http://www.lsp-sports.net/epages/15510420.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15510420/Categories/Proteine
Protein Pudding=unique
I'm happy to have found one that meets all my criteria, but if UN goes out of business, I may reconsider. ;D
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I'm happy to have found one that meets all my criteria, but if UN goes out of business, I may reconsider. ;D
hey wave,
You know the transformation pics u post in some threads,
how long did it take you to go from your "before" to "after" pics?
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Mason, I know you read getbig.
why do you forbid Assays on your products? Are they not of quality they say on the label?
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hey wave,
You know the transformation pics u post in some threads,
how long did it take you to go from your "before" to "after" pics?
3 month, lost about 13.5 lbs of fat and 1.5 lbs of muscle.
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3 month, lost about 13.5 lbs of fat and 1.5 lbs of muscle.
Do you have a link to UN products?
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I dont know Chris Mason, but an independent lab assay is only like $100 on protein.Maybe his product wont make assay.
If a customer asks me for an assay I will gladly email or fax them a copy .
I know Dante from Trueprotein also offers assaays.
If a company wont give you and independent lab assay, dont give them your buissness.
Dont fall for a assay, request and indepedent assay from a company not affiliated with them.Anybody can make a product that will make it pass assay.
Miller Labs, or MVTL, require us to send a sealed bottle with a lot #
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Do you have a link to UN products?
That's what I use:
http://www.ultimatenutrition.com/catalog/protein/prostar_whey_gourmet.html
Any other good quality whey is fine too of course.
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If a company wont give you and independent lab assay, dont give them your buissness.
Dont fall for a assay, request and indepedent assay from a company not affiliated with them.Anybody can make a product that will make it pass assay.
Miller Labs, or MVTL, require us to send a sealed bottle with a lot #
Unless the product is bought by an anonymous third party who sends it to the lab, it doesn't matter much if it's sealed or whatever.
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That's what I use:
http://www.ultimatenutrition.com/catalog/protein/prostar_whey_gourmet.html
Any other good quality whey is fine too of course.
How is the taste and the wasserloeslichkeit? That cholocate mint looks really good, :), have you tried that flavour?
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How is the taste and the wasserloeslichkeit? That cholocate mint looks really good, :), have you tried that flavour?
That's actually the one I use exclusively. Taste is very pleasant (relatively of course). Best dissolubility I have ever encountered.
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That's actually the one I use exclusively. Taste is very pleasant (relatively of course). Best dissolubility I have ever encountered.
You mean that you only eat chocolate mint? Have you never tried anything else?
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You mean that you only eat chocolate mint? Have you never tried anything else?
I've tried a lot of their flavours but that's the one I like best, so I stuck with it.
Sometimes I use the peach one, which is also pretty good:
http://www.ultimatenutrition.com/catalog/protein/isocool.html
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I've tried a lot of their flavours but that's the one I like best, so I stuck with it.
Sometimes I use the peach one, which is also pretty good:
http://www.ultimatenutrition.com/catalog/protein/isocool.html
Bestellst du das online oder wie? Kann ich das auch von hier aus bestellen? ???
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Bestellst du das online oder wie? Kann ich das auch von hier aus bestellen? ???
Yes online, I'm sure there a UK online shops that import and sell UN products.
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Species offers them as well - nothing to hide - I wish every company could say the same.
Of course, imagine sitting on a warehouse of product that can't make assay - haha now that's a glorious moment. i predict mason is quiet on this one, eh chris?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=272888.0
Yes, Chris will not rear his Fat, Ugly, Bloated self in this thread.
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Yes online, I'm sure there a UK online shops that import and sell UN products.
Such gerade, finde aber nix... ??? Hilft mir der Computermeister?
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Protein bars are bad new.Most contain Hydrolised collagen protein, as there main ingredient, or soy Protein.Collagen protein is made from the remains of an animal, the skin bones, hooves, anus skin, the parts they cant use.They put these parts in large bathsd until they turn to liquid.
Hydolised protein, geletain protein or collagen protein, is junk.Alot of companies try to dusguise the name.
Alos another problem with bars is they are made by candy companies for the protein manufactures.Because bar manufac turing equiptment is expensive they sub contract the job to Hershey, or another company.
So god knows what the bar really is when its done.
Plus to make matters worse, they use heat to bake some of these bars, to put the chocolate coating on the bar.When protein is heated it denatures the bar making the protein content useless.
I persoanly stay away from protein bars, they have to many fillers, use inferior protein, and basically contain a ton of gylcerin.Which makes me tired becasuse it creates a spike in my insulin levels, for a brief moment followed by a massive crash.Protein have so much shit in them they are just bascially proceesed crap.
You cant get lean or look good eating protein bars.If you want a bar, eat a candy bar, chocolaste is good for you, it releases endophins in your body, and can increase mood.In some studies it has shown that the PEA in chocolate, can actually help stop the release of cortisol.
Fuck protein bars, give me a some peanut M&M'S , Reeses, peanut butter cups, mint 3 Muskateers, or some Ghiradelli chocolate.
Why screw around with protein bars, when you can have the real deal?
Candy bars taste better, and are better for you.
Sorbitol, Malitol, and sugar alchogols, is a bunch of garbage.
This stuff can really fuck up your digestive system.Nothing like crapping your pants if you eat to much of this crap.
I have nothing against Chris Mason, maybe his bar is good.But protein bars in general, are pretty much garbage.
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Good companies, in no particular order
Bio-Plex, excellent protein
AST There VP2 IS GREAT
Met-RX, the original white box, the rest of it is owrthless
Natures Best iSOPURE,Whey Protein Isolate
True Protein Dante, honest knowledgable guy, who takes pride in what he does
Extreme Labs offers assays on there products
Labarada assays his products regularly
ISS There Pro M3 is a pretty good product.
Optimum Nutrition, the Pro Complex is okay, the other products arent
Species a good Whey Protein Isolate
Companies to look out for
Muscle Tech, they have no shame, exagerated claims on average products
VPX makes up chemical names
hahahaha, isnt that the pot calling the kettle black.
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
Hahaha, Anatorp70 isn't even sold anymore. As if Jay even uses anything MuscleTech produces. He doesn't. How sad these ads are of a studio made to look like a lab with an actor posing as some scientist and someone with a camera just happened to quickly take a snapshot of the scientist explain the concept of the new cutting-edge product to help Jay grow even more muscle.
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I use musashi p40. Used by australian sporting teams and different sports. Very fucking tasty. Strawberry sundae. Mmm
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how was your competition, son?
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How about some of the older companies, like Beverly International? I hear their name from time to time as being a good one. As far as newer companies, I bought some Progenex and can honestly say it is a very good protein as far as recovery(albeit very overpriced).
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I will admit to getbig that I once fell for a musletech ad. I was around 15 years old (19 now), and I bought anator p70 when it came out.
...it cost me 80 bucks for 1 tub...
:'(
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Beverly International is a good company, there protein is alos very good
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Beverly International is a good company, there protein is alos very good
Have only heard good things about them.
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I bought some Progenex and can honestly say it is a very good protein as far as recovery(albeit very overpriced).
Like 4 or 5 years back, via Billy Carp and MS, I got some of that recovery product which eventually became Dr Connely's new company.
It was ten pills, taken 2x a day on training day, an 1x a day on rest days.
Now, I was a 215-pound fatty back then, so I have no clue about muscularity... but I do know that soreness completely disappeared for a full month. I couldn't get sore no matter how long I trained. It was the strangest thing.
I ran outta the stuff eventually, never know what extent that became the new product.
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Beverly International is a good company, there protein is alos very good
Cool, thanks man. Those guys have been around forever. I remember ordering from them when you had to buy supplements with a mail order catalog back in the day, just kind of forgot about them.
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Beverly International is a good company, there protein is alos very good
I think it was Beverly on Ronnie Coleman's counter on his Redemption dvd.
His endorsement contract was with someone else, but you know the man is actually using what is sittin on the kitchen counter.
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Christian Boeving pretty much said it all, there's a few supplements worth taking, but 99% of the stuff you see in stores is absolute GARBAGE !!!
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Like 4 or 5 years back, via Billy Carp and MS, I got some of that recovery product which eventually became Dr Connely's new company.
It was ten pills, taken 2x a day on training day, an 1x a day on rest days.
Now, I was a 215-pound fatty back then, so I have no clue about muscularity... but I do know that soreness completely disappeared for a full month. I couldn't get sore no matter how long I trained. It was the strangest thing.
I ran outta the stuff eventually, never know what extent that became the new product.
Yeah, like I said, Progenex definitely makes you recover much quicker. Just to expensive to be any where close to cost effective.
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Yeah, like I said, Progenex definitely makes you recover much quicker. Just to expensive to be any where close to cost effective.
Testosterone makes you recover faster and is cheaper.
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Testosterone makes you recover faster and is cheaper.
Yep, thats what I was getting at, believe me ;) But, I like to try out some of these new companies every once in a while when some extra money is on hand. Was a big fan of the original Met-Rx, thats why I tried the Progenex.
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Like 4 or 5 years back, via Billy Carp and MS, I got some of that recovery product which eventually became Dr Connely's new company.
Now, I was a 215-pound fatty back then, so I have no clue about muscularity... .
And now you have a clue, but still a 215-pound fatty...........
Yeahh Budddy
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
Why would you trust people in general, let alone a COMPANY?
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
If they dont worth the money you migh as well go for the shippest one, I mean everyone on this board complains about supplements, yet they all use them......
Body Fortress whey protein 2.5 lbs its like $11.99 Who can beat that?
Got to dig deeep !!!!!!
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If they dont worth the money you migh as well go for the shippest one, I mean everyone on this board complains about supplements, yet they all use them......
Body Fortress whey protein 2.5 lbs its like $11.99 Who can beat that?
Got to dig deeep !!!!!!
TrueProtein.com.
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hahhahahha, Just look at a company like AtLarge Nutrition who refuses to post a lab assay that I requested about one of their products. Not only is the company owner, Chris Douchebag Mason, a complete ass but he is peddeling a line of prducts the should be renamed Garbage Nutrition. Anyone who would trust a company like this is a FOOL!
christine mason is a laughable fraud ;D
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christine mason is a laughable fraud ;D
Do they sell "At Large" down under?
if so, sorry.
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
That's Jay Cutlers urine in the flasks.
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i read some article "60 years Muscle&Fitness magazine" or sth like that a few days ago and it came clear to me that the whole supplement industry was invented by Joe Weider to make more money from his magazines.
It was a perfect thing to do, a perfect circle where each part made the other stronger! He's a genius, really.
First, the magazines that promote the Bodybuilders and make them heores, then the Bodybuilders, paid by Weider to tell everyone that you need tons of protein and other stuff, then the supplements, advertised by the bodybuilders in the magazines.
Perfect marketing.
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bump for an opinion.
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Body Fortress Proteion is the biggest junk on the planet.
This is the way it works with most compnies
The company has the product made for them by a private label manufacture.They reciever thew product, and then they ship it out to stores.
So how does Bdoy Fortress make any product if the product they are selling is real? The product is being made for them, they are then selling it to walmart, which means 3 diffrent ccompanies all have to make a profit.
How can a company make a profit selling 2.5lbs of Whey Protein at $11.99 if its legit?
I do manufacturing and most of the time compnies pay more then $11.99 for 2 lbs of Whey protein if the protein is Isolate of above 80% concentrate.
How does Body Fortress sell protein at Wal-Mart for $11.99?
Its probably only 30-40% Whey Protein powder , which only costs about a $1 a lb.I am tempted to go buy a bottle of Body Fortress protein today, and have it sent to Miller Laboratories for an independent lab assay, lol.Trust me fellas if I did this Body Fortress wouldnt want to show there face.I bet it will come up 5-8 grams of protein per scoop ,lol.I should post the assay on getbig, and on my website.
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No.
What I tell every young bloke at the gym is SAVE YOUR MONEY FOR GOOD FOOD AND REAL STEROIDS (if you want to use them). That's what works!
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saying "supplements" don't work based on claims made about methoxy or the flavones is like saying "exercise machines don't work" because of the ab circle and such.
protein works, creatine works, stim pills work. you can't fuck up simple chemistry and argue that things like yohimbine and ephedrine have no effect on fat loss or creatine doesn't have a positive effect on muscle gains. plus quite a number of us around here have tested out multiple NO products and, independently of one another, drawn the same conclusions of them.
some do, some don't, and obviously ad campaigns are ridiculous, but that doesn't mean there's no reason to buy a jug of protein or try out NO Shotgun.
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Body Fortress Proteion is the biggest junk on the planet.
I do manufacturing and most of the time compnies pay more then $11.99 for 2 lbs of Whey protein if the protein is Isolate of above 80% concentrate.
How does Body Fortress sell protein at Wal-Mart for $11.99?
Its probably only 30-40% Whey Protein powder , which only costs about a $1 a lb.I am tempted to go buy a bottle of Body Fortress protein today, and have it sent to Miller Laboratories for an independent lab assay, lol.Trust me fellas if I did this Body Fortress wouldnt want to show there face.I bet it will come up 5-8 grams of protein per scoop ,lol.I should post the assay on getbig, and on my website.
So That means that BSN and Muscle milk being around $30.00 for same amount of protein (2.5 lbs) must be legit then... ????
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No.
What I tell every young bloke at the gym is SAVE YOUR MONEY FOR GOOD FOOD AND REAL STEROIDS (if you want to use them). That's what works!
This is the dumbest advice I have ever heard.
A person should not take any form of steroids until he is genetically maxed out naturally.I waited until I was 32 and had a solid foundation.This way you dont just have a drug body, plus you kepp most of your gains when you use a steroid cycle.If you just use steroids withouty a foundation to start with, you gain 30lbs when you use them and when you come off of them you lose all the weight you gained except now you have stretch marks..
I dont thinbk any bodybuilder should usew steroids before the age of 30.They should train 10-12 years naturally, max out there genetics, then go on a cycle.
Most importantly unless you are a pro athlete or going to compete, dont do steroids.There is nothing worse then a guy doing juice just to pick up girls or to impress his friends.Why bother???
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No.
What I tell every young bloke at the gym is SAVE YOUR MONEY FOR GOOD FOOD AND REAL STEROIDS (if you want to use them). That's what works!
This is the dumbest advice I have ever heard.
A person should not take any form of steroids until he is genetically maxed out naturally.I waited until I was 32 and had a solid foundation.This way you dont just have a drug body, plus you kepp most of your gains when you use a steroid cycle.If you just use steroids withouty a foundation to start with, you gain 30lbs when you use them and when you come off of them you lose all the weight you gained except now you have stretch marks..
I dont thinbk any bodybuilder should usew steroids before the age of 30.They should train 10-12 years naturally, max out there genetics, then go on a cycle.
Most importantly unless you are a pro athlete or going to compete, dont do steroids.There is nothing worse then a guy doing juice just to pick up girls or to impress his friends.Why bother???
Yes, it's dumb not to waste money on "superdrol" and "plazmosis" and "decaduratestosexplode" and all the other snake oil peddled by the supplement companies ::)
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Yes, it's dumb not to waste money on "superdrol" and "plazmosis" and "decaduratestosexplode" and all the other snake oil peddled by the supplement companies ::)
this is totally true. the sad thing is that kids will buy things like methyl-1-test and such, which are way worse for the body, because they're fooled into believing that since it's legal it can't be as dangerous as real gear. :-\
but i have a lot of tubs of various crap i ordered off bb.com and i won't be told they were a bad idea.
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Yes, it's dumb not to waste money on "superdrol" and "plazmosis" and "decaduratestosexplode" and all the other snake oil peddled by the supplement companies ::)
superdrol is a potent steroid, much stronger than steroids like winstrol.
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this is totally true. the sad thing is that kids will buy things like methyl-1-test and such, which are way worse for the body, because they're fooled into believing that since it's legal it can't be as dangerous as real gear. :-\
but i have a lot of tubs of various crap i ordered off bb.com and i won't be told they were a bad idea.
I trust you.
You=good genetics.
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this is totally true. the sad thing is that kids will buy things like methyl-1-test and such, which are way worse for the body, because they're fooled into believing that since it's legal it can't be as dangerous as real gear. :-\
but i have a lot of tubs of various crap i ordered off bb.com and i won't be told they were a bad idea.
I trust you.
You=good genetics.
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Yes, it's dumb not to waste money on "superdrol" and "plazmosis" and "decaduratestosexplode" and all the other snake oil peddled by the supplement companies ::)
he's only referring to the steroids.
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In Finland it's now suspected that hydroxycut might have damaged someones liver and everyone is adviced to return the product to seller. So no I don't trust supplement companies. :D
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In Finland it's now suspected that hydroxycut might have damaged someones liver and everyone is adviced to return the product to seller. So no I don't trust supplement companies. :D
There have been recalls here is the U.S. as well.
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why is dymatize iso 100 bad? i remember gh15 like 3 years ago saying it was one of the top brands.
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i read some article "60 years Muscle&Fitness magazine" or sth like that a few days ago and it came clear to me that the whole supplement industry was invented by Joe Weider to make more money from his magazines.
It was a perfect thing to do, a perfect circle where each part made the other stronger! He's a genius, really.
First, the magazines that promote the Bodybuilders and make them heores, then the Bodybuilders, paid by Weider to tell everyone that you need tons of protein and other stuff, then the supplements, advertised by the bodybuilders in the magazines.
Perfect marketing.
This is so true.
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To sum it up. No one is regulating supplements. Most popular supplements gets recalled after some years, (Ephedrine, Hydroxycut etc) only when they realize it fucks people up, for life. Yet people gobble up new supplements as soon as they hit market...
I sense desperation. It is quite sad.
Dare I suggest eating healthy?
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To sum it up. No one is regulating supplements. Most popular supplements gets recalled after some years, (Ephedrine, Hydroxycut etc) only when they realize it fucks people up, for life. Yet people gobble up new supplements as soon as they hit market...
I sense desperation. It is quite sad.
Dare I suggest eating healthy?
good post. Too many "bodybuilders" out there believe they eat healthy because they don't eat lots of fat or sugar, but in fact they are downing a protein shake e3h and two 'only-3g-net-carbs'-protein bar each day. ::)
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christine mason is a laughable fraud ;D
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Protein pudding??
Never heard of, is that made of Soy or whey ?
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Protein pudding??
Never heard of, is that made of Soy or whey ?
Egg and Whey....
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Egg and Whey....
Sounds good on my way to target or Walmart to get me a bucket ......
Thanks
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Sounds good on my way to target or Walmart to get me a bucket ......
Thanks
You won't find it. Only my friend's German company makes it.
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GETITonNY what do you rate Gaspari Nutrition?
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You won't find it. Only my friend's German company makes it.
And Sylvester Stallone's company.
http://www.instonenutrition.com/products/pudding_faqs.htm
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And Sylvester Stallone's company.
http://www.instonenutrition.com/products/pudding_faqs.htm
LSP is better. ;D
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LSP is better. ;D
Probably cheaper as well.
I think the protein pudding was somewhere around 4$ per serving. ;D ;D
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Probably cheaper as well.
I think the protein pudding was somewhere around 4$ per serving. ;D ;D
Verpackungseinheit
Einheiten
Preis pro Dose
300 g (ausreichend für 10 Portionen)
12,90 €
Geht so, aber ich krieg immer prozente abgezogen...
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Geht so, aber ich krieg immer prozente abgezogen...
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I prefer real food. ;D
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I prefer real food. ;D
Irrelevant for body composition
wavelength approved
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I trust them as much as I trust myself in the Dominican Republic with a million dollars and the pledge that I wouldn't fuck any girls there.
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Irrelevant for body composition
wavelength approved
Your protein pudding is as well.
It's all genetics. ::) ::)
I trust them as much as I trust myself in the Dominican Republic with a million dollars and the pledge that I wouldn't fuck any girls there.
Aren't you the guy whose NoExplode got stolen at work?
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Your protein pudding is as well.
It's all genetics. ::) ::)
Aren't you the guy whose NoExplode got stolen at work?
The protein pudding tastes great!
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The protein pudding tastes great!
How about you send me a pack over? ;D ;D
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How about you send me a pack over? ;D ;D
Naja, wenn ich ausreichend auf einmal bestelle, bekomme ich ab und zu mal ein paar Sachen gratis, werde schauen, ob's machbar ist.
Wie sieht's mit dem Fragebogen aus?
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Naja, wenn ich ausreichend auf einmal bestelle, bekomme ich ab und zu mal ein paar Sachen gratis, werde schauen, ob's machbar ist.
Wie sieht's mit dem Fragebogen aus?
Oh sorry, schick ich dir gleich.
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I will admit to getbig that I once fell for a musletech ad. I was around 15 years old (19 now), and I bought anator p70 when it came out.
...it cost me 80 bucks for 1 tub...
:'(
That's why I continue to tell people to wait for the markdowns at GNC.
The jugs I got were marked down to $17.49; I used the Gold Card, and MuscleTech had their "Buy One; Get One 50% Off" promotion.
So, with all of that, I got two of them for around $21.
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And Sylvester Stallone's company.
http://www.instonenutrition.com/products/pudding_faqs.htm
I like the Banana flavored ones, which I tried a few months ago. (got them for $0.49 each).
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No need to get fancy, stick to basic stuff like protein, creatine, BCAA's at the most and you're good to go. Obviously these won't make much of a difference without the proper diet as well.
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hugestatus
Getbig II
Posts: 63
Re: Do you still Trust "supplement" companies?
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GETITonNY what do you rate Gaspari Nutrition?
Gaspari is a pretty good company.There product are pretty good.They are better then BSN and Muscletech.Rich Gaspari is a good guy, and is pretty honest.When Gaspari Nutrition first came out, there product were the shit.His prohormones were bad ass!!!! They were some of the strongest pro hormones ever made !!!!!!!. Now his products are good, but they arent nearly as strong as they used to be.Now his company is 10 times bigger, and is geared more towards the mainstream consumer.Before his products were geared towards the hard core athlete.
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The only supplement I trust is.....Plazmosis!
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Plazmosis is the holy grail of supplements.
After drinking Plazmosis Jesus walked on water, to the boat where the disciples were.True story.
Moses poured Plazmosis on the ground and Parted the Red Sea, another true story,lol
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This they have already done and news for you wave: I am a creatine non-responder=totally useless product for me. ;D
quite possible - look at the work by Kreider and Tarnopolsky - non-responders are not infrequent, i believe somewhere like 15%. Vegetarians and the vegans are the best responders
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The most efficient and effective bodybuilding supplements are test and deca ;D
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Stay away from AtLarge Nutrition, the owner will not provide information regarding the contents of his products, that tells me and any educated person that he is trying to hide something, most likely a poor quality product. Stick with companies such as ON, Labrada, True Protein, and others mentioned in this thread.
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No response Chris, you and your company really are a pieces of GARBAGE!!!!
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No response Chris, you and your company really are a pieces of GARBAGE!!!!
Why do you say that, friend? Do you have evidence to support your claims?
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Why do you say that, friend? Do you have evidence to support your claims?
Hey "friend" when a company won't provide a requested assay for their product I have every right to say "that." Thanks for your concern "friend".
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Hey "friend" when a company won't provide a requested assay for their product I have every right to say "that." Thanks for your concern "friend".
You feel very strongly about this ;D
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I like the Banana flavored ones, which I tried a few months ago. (got them for $0.49 each).
McWay is the only guy who still believes in supps....I caught heat from McWay big time on my infamous "the total absolute no bullshit truth about supplements" thread
supps are useless...McWay is the only shill left for the supp companies
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McWay is the only guy who still believes in supps....I caught heat from McWay big time on my infamous "the total absolute no bullshit truth about supplements" thread
supps are useless...McWay is the only shill left for the supp companies
I get diced eating Mcdonalds and takin a few shots of blues ed......then eatin one of those nasty cardboard 'protein bars', fck me runnin that shit tastes awful
only supp I use (for now)
(http://www.cytosport.com/wp-content/plugins/fresh-page/files_flutter/1235433665MonsterMassChocolate.GIF)
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McWay is the only guy who still believes in supps....I caught heat from McWay big time on my infamous "the total absolute no bullshit truth about supplements" thread
supps are useless...McWay is the only shill left for the supp companies
You "caught heat", because you were talking out of the side of your neck.
YOU were the one, who bragged about geting 14-lb of Cell-Tech dirt cheap and sang the praises of BOTH Cell-Tech and Gaspari's SizeON, when you tried them.
I don't use supplements INSTEAD of regular food. I use them, as anyone with common sense does, along with regular food. The only issue is price and, since I know how to get supplements fairly cheap, that isn't a problem.
As I said, I picked up TWO jugs of Anator P-70, for just over $20 (due to clearance sales and the likelihood that MuscleTech is discontinuing Anator, as it did with powdered Gakic).
More recently, I've obtained a 10-lb jug of Muscle Juice 2544 I picked up for $18 and a 20-pk box of GNC's Mega MRP for just over $9.
The reason you struggle is because (by YOUR OWN ADMISSION) your training is inconsistent and you eat like a 5-year-old girl. Yet, you want to bleat and whine about supplements, because they didn't overcompensate for your lousy diet.
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why is dymatize bad?
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hugestatus
Getbig II
Posts: 63
Re: Do you still Trust "supplement" companies?
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GETITonNY what do you rate Gaspari Nutrition?
Gaspari is a pretty good company.There product are pretty good.They are better then BSN and Muscletech.Rich Gaspari is a good guy, and is pretty honest.When Gaspari Nutrition first came out, there product were the shit.His prohormones were bad ass!!!! They were some of the strongest pro hormones ever made !!!!!!!. Now his products are good, but they arent nearly as strong as they used to be.Now his company is 10 times bigger, and is geared more towards the mainstream consumer.Before his products were geared towards the hard core athlete.
awesome post...100% dead on
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You "caught heat", because you were talking out of the side of your neck.
YOU were the one, who bragged about geting 14-lb of Cell-Tech dirt cheap and sang the praises of BOTH Cell-Tech and Gaspari's SizeON, when you tried them.
I don't use supplements INSTEAD of regular food. I use them, as anyone with common sense does, along with regular food. The only issue is price and, since I know how to get supplements fairly cheap, that isn't a problem.
As I said, I picked up TWO jugs of Anator P-70, for just over $20 (due to clearance sales and the likelihood that MuscleTech is discontinuing Anator, as it did with powdered Gakic).
More recently, I've obtained a 10-lb jug of Muscle Juice 2544 I picked up for $18 and a 20-pk box of GNC's Mega MRP for just over $9.
The reason you struggle is because (by YOUR OWN ADMISSION) your training is inconsistent and you eat like a 5-year-old girl. Yet, you want to bleat and whine about supplements, because they didn't overcompensate for your lousy diet.
McWay....the problem I have with supps is the price also....overpriced bullcrap which is dubious at best with their claims....I guess I wouldn't have a problem with supps if they were reasonably priced...love the deal you got for Anator...I think that was a fair price to pay...you always make fun of my training and eating habits...I don't think thats fair because I eat and train well...but even if I didn't..according to the claims these supp companies make I should be getting 7000% percent stronger, 10,000% more muscular, and stuff like that
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McWay....the problem I have with supps is the price also....overpriced bullcrap which is dubious at best with their claims....I guess I wouldn't have a problem with supps if they were reasonably priced...love the deal you got for Anator...I think that was a fair price to pay...you always make fun of my training and eating habits...I don't think thats fair because I eat and train well...but even if I didn't..according to the claims these supp companies make I should be getting 7000% percent stronger, 10,000% more muscular, and stuff like that
Again, the price issue can be mitigated (it's called clearance sales). By law, supplement stores can't sell expired supplements. Therefore, they have to mark them down, or risk a complete loss of profit.
I don't make fun of your training and eating habits. As I said, those words were BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. Hopefully, things have changed since then.
Read the fine print. Usually, when an ad claim you'll get "7000% stronger", it's in comparison to a placebo group that had marginal gains. If you had an identical twin and he was the placebo while you tried a product, you could be "7000% stronger" if your twin gain 0.20 lbs on his bench press and you gained 14 lbs on yours.
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Again, the price issue can be mitigated (it's called clearance sales). By law, supplement stores can't sell expired supplements. Therefore, they have to mark them down, or risk a complete loss of profit.
I don't make fun of your training and eating habits. As I said, those words were BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. Hopefully, things have changed since then.
Read the fine print. Usually, when an ad claim you'll get "7000% stronger", it's in comparison to a placebo group that had marginal gains. If you had an identical twin and he was the placebo while you tried a product, you could be "7000% stronger" if your twin gain 0.20 lbs on his bench press and you gained 14 lbs on yours.
spot on, it's all a play on words and statistics beginner's class.
Like ZMA gives you 540% more testosterone than a (probably zinc-deficient) control group. the control groups test levels go down more after training while the ZMA group's test levels drop only a bit and BOOM! you have 540% MORE testosterone, even if both groups have actually LESS. ;D ;D
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I'm just curious if it's common knowledge by now, beyond this smart ass community that overpriced pre-packaged "formulas" don't work and not worth the money?
I spotted some kids yesteday making fun of the "9.234903433333333lb lean mass in 20.66666666 days" concept and they were skinny so the bullshit status must be catching up ???
am I too optimistic?
(http://www.kulturystyka.sklep.pl/inne/muscletech/muscletech_cutl.jpg)
I think with "Sites" like this and others, plus the fact that individuals see how others have wasted their cash, the consumer is better informed
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The most efficient and effective bodybuilding supplements are test and deca ;D
We've already settled this question. Why are people still arguing about which snake oil is infinitesimally more effective?
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We've already settled this question. Why are people still arguing about which snake oil is infinitesimally more effective?
some people dont wanna take gear though man
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some people dont wanna take gear though man
STFU, who asked you!
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STFU, who asked you!
are you angry because okami won't answer your wishes to let you suck his cock?
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are you angry because okami won't answer your wishes to let you suck his cock?
I trust this man:
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Good thread
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Good thread
epic post padding
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I cannot understand how any company would want Tamail to rep them. ::)
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How did that bloke ever get a pro card? They hand them out like candy over there, don't they? :P
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I had a dream last night that I was talking to Steve Blechman about trying intravol before a workout then I noticed Jay Cutler eavesdropping to the left
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I cannot understand how any company would want Tamail to rep them. ::)
Did anyone see his last guest posing experience, he looked fat and turrrrible. ;D
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How did that bloke ever get a pro card? They hand them out like candy over there, don't they? :P
Hardly!!
If memory serves me correctly, Kamali won his class at the NPC Nationals ten years ago.
His best year, however, was his rookie year in 2001, where he placed top ten at the Olympia.
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Looks like a standard off-season pro bodybuilder to me.
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Hardly!!
If memory serves me correctly, Kamali won his class at the NPC Nationals ten years ago.
His best year, however, was his rookie year in 2001, where he placed top ten at the Olympia.
Hell top ten was a gift ;D
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Hell top ten was a gift ;D
His early placings were a direct result of his hype.
He was never really that good... didn't deserve the 10th at the O... it just took IFBB judging a couple of years to figure it out.
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His early placings were a direct result of his hype.
He was never really that good... didn't deserve the 10th at the O... it just took IFBB judging a couple of years to figure it out.
Maybe Chick had something to do with his placing....G4P
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His early placings were a direct result of his hype.
He was never really that good... didn't deserve the 10th at the O... it just took IFBB judging a couple of years to figure it out.
Hype from what? He only won his class from the Nationals and took a year off, before actually competing.
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Beverly
Muscle-Link
Healthy 'N Fit
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Hype from what? He only won his class from the Nationals and took a year off, before actually competing.
Maybe G4P?
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Maybe G4P?
::)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=282517.0;attach=325645;image)
lol. your 2nd best post. cut the ghetto houston BS and you might get a free empty can to chew on.
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Did anyone see his last guest posing experience, he looked fat and turrrrible. ;D
What about GAT pumping Derek Anothony . WTF!