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Good for him. Pretty dumb thing for the president to say. I would expect those kinds of comments from Biden, not Obama.
Nevada governor turns down Obama airport meeting
Posted: 09:05 PM ET
From CNN Political Producer Rebecca Sinderbrand
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Nevada's Republican governor has turned down an invitation from the White House to briefly greet President Obama when he visits the state tomorrow for a Democratic fundraising event, citing comments the president made earlier this year calling on companies that received taxpayer-funded bailouts to avoid wasting money on luxuries like company planes and Vegas vacations.
“While I appreciate the offer, I am not interested in a handshake and a hello from President Obama, I am interested in an apology and plan to undo the damage the President did,” Gov. Jim Gibbons said in a Monday statement.
He again called on Obama to publicly promote Nevada tourism, and to apologize for his remark that business leaders receiving money from the government "can’t get corporate jets. You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime,” blaming the president for the recent cancellation of hundreds of conventions and other meetings originally scheduled to take place in Las Vegas, and the loss of more than $100 million in revenue.
"President Obama is coming to Las Vegas to take millions of dollars in campaign cash for Senator Harry Reid, while the President’s own words have hurt working families in Nevada and damaged the economy in Nevada for businesses large and small,” he said. “Both men should be ashamed, because people are suffering through the depths of the recession while they practice the height of hypocrisy."
The White House, which had offered Gibbons the chance to speak with Obama at the airport, has not yet responded to a request for reaction to the governor’s latest statement. Last week, Gibbons said the president had turned down a request for a sit-down meeting.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/25/nevada-governor-turns-down-obama-airport-meeting/#more-53259
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Obama's word have not hurt Nevada's economy..it is the depression, the wall streeters and the financial shenanegans that is killing every state's tourism and business
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That's not quite how it went down.
Gibbons requested a meeting with Obama. Obama declined but offered to meet Gibbons for a handshake/photo op at the airport. Gibbons released a statement saying he declined the airport meeting because he wasn't interested in shaking Obama's hand, but wanted an apology.Obama wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to meet this dude.
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That's not quite how it went down.
Gibbons requested a meeting with Obama. Obama declined but offered to meet Gibbons for a handshake/photo op at the airport. Gibbons released a statement saying he declined the airport meeting because he wasn't interested in shaking Obama's hand, but wanted an apology.Obama wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to meet this dude.
Sounds the same to me. Did you read the last sentence? "Last week, Gibbons said the president had turned down a request for a sit-down meeting."
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Sounds the same to me. Did you read the last sentence? "Last week, Gibbons said the president had turned down a request for a sit-down meeting."
No, I missed that. Easy to do, I guess. If that line had been placed anywhere else in the story, it would have basically been a non-story... which it is.
I am confused as to why you felt the need to congratulate Gibbons, though.
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No, I missed that. Easy to do, I guess. If that line had been placed anywhere else in the story, it would have basically been a non-story... which it is.
I am confused as to why you felt the need to congratulate Gibbons, though.
No biggie.
I like what the gov did because of this:
He again called on Obama to publicly promote Nevada tourism, and to apologize for his remark that business leaders receiving money from the government "can’t get corporate jets. You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime,” blaming the president for the recent cancellation of hundreds of conventions and other meetings originally scheduled to take place in Las Vegas, and the loss of more than $100 million in revenue.
Assuming the loss of revenue is true, Obama should do more than give the governor a perfunctory handshake.
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Oh, come on. You don't honestly believe Nevada would have been immune from the economic troubles the rest of the country is facing had it not been for Obama's statement?
I snatched this off of Wikipedia's entry about the 2009 Superbowl:
With all the cutbacks resulting from the severe economic downturn in the United States, the game was dubbed "The Recession Bowl."[27][28][29][30] Restaurants were slow in business and many parties, including parties hosted by Playboy and Sports Illustrated were canceled.[30] There were also 200 fewer sports journalists covering the game than at Super Bowl XLII the previous year.[30] According to the online broker StubHub, tickets with a face value of $500 changed hands the week of the Super Bowl for an average $2,500 – a 40% drop from Super Bowl XLII in 2008 and 16% lower than Super Bowl XL in 2006.[30] Ford, Chrysler and General Motors, the Big Three automobile makers, decided not to purchase television advertisements following the three companies' business struggles in 2008 and early 2009.
Do you believe that was all due to Obama's quote?
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Oh, come on. You don't honestly believe Nevada would have been immune from the economic troubles the rest of the country is facing had it not been for Obama's statement?
I snatched this off of Wikipedia's entry about the 2009 Superbowl:
Do you believe that was all due to Obama's quote?
You gotta know times are tough when Hef cancels a party. :P
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Oh, come on. You don't honestly believe Nevada would have been immune from the economic troubles the rest of the country is facing had it not been for Obama's statement?
I snatched this off of Wikipedia's entry about the 2009 Superbowl:
Do you believe that was all due to Obama's quote?
I read that 400 conventions canceled events after Obama's speech blasting Vegas.
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Good for him. Pretty dumb thing for the president to say. I would expect those kinds of comments from Biden, not Obama.
Nevada governor turns down Obama airport meeting
Posted: 09:05 PM ET
From CNN Political Producer Rebecca Sinderbrand
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Nevada's Republican governor has turned down an invitation from the White House to briefly greet President Obama when he visits the state tomorrow for a Democratic fundraising event, citing comments the president made earlier this year calling on companies that received taxpayer-funded bailouts to avoid wasting money on luxuries like company planes and Vegas vacations.
“While I appreciate the offer, I am not interested in a handshake and a hello from President Obama, I am interested in an apology and plan to undo the damage the President did,” Gov. Jim Gibbons said in a Monday statement.
He again called on Obama to publicly promote Nevada tourism, and to apologize for his remark that business leaders receiving money from the government "can’t get corporate jets. You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime,” blaming the president for the recent cancellation of hundreds of conventions and other meetings originally scheduled to take place in Las Vegas, and the loss of more than $100 million in revenue.
"President Obama is coming to Las Vegas to take millions of dollars in campaign cash for Senator Harry Reid, while the President’s own words have hurt working families in Nevada and damaged the economy in Nevada for businesses large and small,” he said. “Both men should be ashamed, because people are suffering through the depths of the recession while they practice the height of hypocrisy."
The White House, which had offered Gibbons the chance to speak with Obama at the airport, has not yet responded to a request for reaction to the governor’s latest statement. Last week, Gibbons said the president had turned down a request for a sit-down meeting.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/25/nevada-governor-turns-down-obama-airport-meeting/#more-53259
Wow, our resident fundy applauding the 'State of Sin'.
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Good for him. Pretty dumb thing for the president to say. I would expect those kinds of comments from Biden, not Obama.
He had a chance to give obama a few minutes of his ideas.
We now see his call for a meeting was just a move to get attention.
The president is trying to keep the dollar safe, dodge many world threats, etc. I'm sorry if he can's accept a quick meeting. Crybaby.
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The only problem I have with this statement is that it sucks that Obama even has to say it.
It should be obvious
"can’t get corporate jets. You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime,”
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Oh, come on. You don't honestly believe Nevada would have been immune from the economic troubles the rest of the country is facing had it not been for Obama's statement?
I snatched this off of Wikipedia's entry about the 2009 Superbowl:
Do you believe that was all due to Obama's quote?
I don't think Nevada would have been immune, but 3333 said 400 conventions were canceled after Obama's comments. You don't think his comments contributed to those cancellations? Certainly sounds like it. Definitely poor judgment to make that kind of comment.
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Sour Grapes huh?
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Sour Grapes huh?
? About what? The Nevada governor?
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From the article:
He again called on Obama to publicly promote Nevada tourism, and to apologize for his remark that business leaders receiving money from the government "can’t get corporate jets. You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime,” blaming the president for the recent cancellation of hundreds of conventions and other meetings originally scheduled to take place in Las Vegas, and the loss of more than $100 million in revenue.
Hundreds of events were cancelled after the speech.
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From the article:
He again called on Obama to publicly promote Nevada tourism, and to apologize for his remark that business leaders receiving money from the government "can’t get corporate jets. You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime,” blaming the president for the recent cancellation of hundreds of conventions and other meetings originally scheduled to take place in Las Vegas, and the loss of more than $100 million in revenue.
Hundreds of events were cancelled after the speech.
Where is the list of these hundreds of events?
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Gibbs just said that Obama is landing in Nevada today, and the governor is more than invited to meet him and talk about ideas.
If some governor is trying to dictate terms of the meeting - to the president - that's kinda laughable. You work with the president on the president's timeline - it's that simple.
Look, you're a governor and you are pissed at Obama. He gives you a window to talk about things - and the Governor declines - that's a load of crap. He is trying to say "I'm the guy that told obama no thanks!"
I'm wondering if this governor has presidential ambitions in 2012 lol...
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LMAO... from the gov's website:
http://gov.state.nv.us/PressReleases/2009-05-25_Obama_Ltr_Decline.htm
he'll only meet if Obama will also meet with local business leaders. Oh brother. Talk about grandstanding. NKorea is shooting of missiles and blowing up nukes, the economy is in rough shape and dollar taking a beating in Chi and Russia... and this guy is telling obama how to spend his time, or he won't give him a meeting.
Oh brother.
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LMAO... from the gov's website:
http://gov.state.nv.us/PressReleases/2009-05-25_Obama_Ltr_Decline.htm
he'll only meet if Obama will also meet with local business leaders. Oh brother. Talk about grandstanding. NKorea is shooting of missiles and blowing up nukes, the economy is in rough shape and dollar taking a beating in Chi and Russia... and this guy is telling obama how to spend his time, or he won't give him a meeting.
Oh brother.
Thats funny you bring up North Korea because Obama saw fit to go golfing yesterday rather than address that problem.
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Thats funny you bring up North Korea because Obama saw fit to go golfing yesterday rather than address that problem.
Noooo. Not the facts. :)
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Obama doesn't have time to play little games with some punk ass governor. Excellent example of "we do it on my time, not yours".
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Noooo. Not the facts. :)
Does "My pet Goat" ring a bell?
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Does "My pet Goat" ring a bell?
No.
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No.
I think that was the book GWB read in the classroom after 9/11 happened.
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Thats funny you bring up North Korea because Obama saw fit to go golfing yesterday rather than address that problem.
Obama says he's going to talk to N. Korea.
I don't think he's been able to figure out what exactly to say yet or that'll he might have to actually do something when talking fails.. again.
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I think that was the book GWB read in the classroom after 9/11 happened.
Ah so. What the heck does that have to do with the Nevada governor and whether Obama has time to meet with him??
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Obama says he's going to talk to N. Korea.
I don't think he's been able to figure out what exactly to say yet or that'll he might have to actually do something when talking fails.. again.
he's waiting for tony mctones' strategy.
So far, Obama knows he'll need a proactive approach to thinking outside the box. more to come!
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Ah so. What the heck does that have to do with the Nevada governor and whether Obama has time to meet with him??
That's not why he brought it up. You co-signed 33!%$*!!1111!!! when he bashed Obama for deigning to go golfing yesterday. What exactly you or he expected the president to do, I have no idea.
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he's waiting for tony mctones' strategy.
So far, Obama knows he'll need a proactive approach to thinking outside the box. more to come!
LOLZ!
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From the article:
He again called on Obama to publicly promote Nevada tourism, and to apologize for his remark that business leaders receiving money from the government "can’t get corporate jets. You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer’s dime,” blaming the president for the recent cancellation of hundreds of conventions and other meetings originally scheduled to take place in Las Vegas, and the loss of more than $100 million in revenue.
Hundreds of events were cancelled after the speech.
That's grandstanding from a partisan blowhard. Those numbers have no relation to Obama's speech. The speech took place in February. Here are excerpts from a report on the January economy in LV:
Report: Las Vegas tourism tumbles 11.9 percent in January
The LVCVA statistical report said in January there were 1,368 meetings, 19.5 percent fewer than in January 2008, and attendance at those shows was 538,415, 20.6 percent off from the previous year.
But the lower average daily room rate and the reduced citywide resort occupancy were even more troubling for industry observers. Weekend occupancy was down 3.2 points to 79.7 percent and midweek occupancy was down 18.1 points to 67.6 percent. Just two years ago, Las Vegas enjoyed occupancy rates in the high 80s and low 90s.
The average daily room rate hit $104.89, creeping toward $100, a level that hasn’t been seen in Las Vegas ADR since December 2005.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/mar/10/tourism-las-vegas-falls-119-percent-january/
Gibbons is a lying, self-serving asshole.
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That's not why he brought it up. You co-signed 33!%$*!!1111!!! when he bashed Obama for deigning to go golfing yesterday. What exactly you or he expected the president to do, I have no idea.
I'm still not sure why he brought up "My Pet Goat," but 3333's comments about golfing were in response to 240 saying the president was too busy.
What I expect the president to do is not make irresponsible public comments that could hurt a state's economy, then refuse to meet with the governor of that state to try and rectify irresponsible comments. But it's wishful thinking. We saw during the campaign that Obama does not admit mistakes very easily. That's a sign of poor leadership.
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Report: Las Vegas tourism tumbles 11.9 percent in January
The LVCVA statistical report said in January there were 1,368 meetings, 19.5 percent fewer than in January 2008, and attendance at those shows was 538,415, 20.6 percent off from the previous year.
But the lower average daily room rate and the reduced citywide resort occupancy were even more troubling for industry observers. Weekend occupancy was down 3.2 points to 79.7 percent and midweek occupancy was down 18.1 points to 67.6 percent. Just two years ago, Las Vegas enjoyed occupancy rates in the high 80s and low 90s.
The average daily room rate hit $104.89, creeping toward $100, a level that hasn’t been seen in Las Vegas ADR since December 2005.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/mar/10/tourism-las-vegas-falls-119-percent-january/
Gibbons is a lying, self-serving asshole.
hahahaha gibbons = owned.
blaming his own economic shit on obama is a bitch move.
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I'm still not sure why he brought up "My Pet Goat," but 3333's comments about golfing were in response to 240 saying the president was too busy.
What I expect the president to do is not make irresponsible public comments that could hurt a state's economy, then refuse to meet with the governor of that state to try and rectify irresponsible comments. But it's wishful thinking. We saw during the campaign that Obama does not admit mistakes very easily. That's a sign of poor leadership.
240 didn't say the President was too busy; he said the President had more important issues to deal with than some delusional mayor's fabulations. 33!@# said " Obama went golfing rather than address the NKorea situation", as if tpotus should be expected to handle the situation within a matter of days, foregoing sleep and recreation in the process. 240 brought up the "My Pet Goat" fiasco as a point of comparison- an example of a truly urgent situation which was handled horrifically.
While you may feel that Obama's comments were irresponsible (I disagree; in context they were perfectly appropriate), what Gibbons is doing is nothing but grandstanding. Las Vegas' own tourist committee admits that the city (like the rest of America) had been hit hard financially PRIOR to Obama's speech, yet Gibbons is attempting to transform eight words that were probably ignored by the majority of the country into the sole reason behind Las Vegas' current economic struggles. That's bullshit. What I don't expect of the President is for him to feel obligated to participate in a completely transparent game of political charades.
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240 didn't say the President was too busy; he said the President had more important issues to deal with than some delusional mayor's fabulations. 33!@# said " Obama went golfing rather than address the NKorea situation", as if tpotus should be expected to handle the situation within a matter of days, foregoing sleep and recreation in the process. 240 brought up the "My Pet Goat" fiasco as a point of comparison- an example of a truly urgent situation which was handled horrifically.
While you may feel that Obama's comments were irresponsible (I disagree; in context they were perfectly appropriate), what Gibbons is doing is nothing but grandstanding. Las Vegas' own tourist committee admits that the city (like the rest of America) had been hit hard financially PRIOR to Obama's speech, yet Gibbons is attempting to transform eight words that were probably ignored by the majority of the country into the sole reason behind Las Vegas' current economic struggles. That's bullshit. What I don't expect of the President is for him to feel obligated to participate in a completely transparent game of political charades.
The "My Pet Goat" comments have nothing to do with this situation. Who cares about that conspiracy theory nonsense?
I agree with 3333's comments about Obama not being too busy. He wasn't/isn't. This isn't a "mayor" asking for a meeting. It's a governor who is justifiably upset over comments from the most powerful man in the country. Sure the president can do whatever he wants, meet with whomever he wants, make whatever reckless comments he wants, etc. He can do that because he has zero accountability when he abuses the bully pulpit.
The decline in tourism statistics don't dispel the governor's allegations at all. There could have easily been an ongoing overall decline, and the cancellation of hundreds of conventions following Obama's comments.
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The "My Pet Goat" comments have nothing to do with this situation. Who cares about that conspiracy theory nonsense?
it's not really a conspiracy theory that he read that children's book for 7.5 minutes after being given news of "The second tower has been hit mr prez - america is under attack".
it's kinda a fact. There is a lot of video of it. And pics too.
You don't really know much about the days events on 911, BB, do you?
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it's not really a conspiracy theory that he read that children's book for 7.5 minutes after being given news of "The second tower has been hit mr prez - america is under attack".
it's kinda a fact. There is a lot of video of it. And pics too.
You don't really know much about the days events on 911, BB, do you?
I care more about the vog clearing up and not interfering with my view than that 911 garbage, which again has zero to do with the governor of Nevada.
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The "My Pet Goat" comments have nothing to do with this situation. Who cares about that conspiracy theory nonsense?
What "conspiracy theory nonsense" are you talking about? 240 compared Bush's poor reaction during the 9/11 attacks to Obama's reaction yesterday. It's not rocket science.
I agree with 3333's comments about Obama not being too busy. He wasn't/isn't. This isn't a "mayor" asking for a meeting. It's a governor who is justifiably upset over comments from the most powerful man in the country. Sure the president can do whatever he wants, meet with whomever he wants, make whatever reckless comments he wants, etc. He can do that because he has zero accountability when he abuses the bully pulpit.
It's not a matter of being too busy- it's a matter of this issue being completely unimportant.
The decline in tourism statistics don't dispel the governor's allegations at all. There could have easily been an ongoing overall decline, and the cancellation of hundreds of conventions following Obama's comments.
Yes, the tourism statistics DO dispel the governor's allegations because the report I linked to specifically states that the numbers the governor is using include figures dating back to the fourth quarter of 2008. So, even if you want to make the argument that all of the cancellations following Obama's comments were completely due to that event, the numbers the governor is using include financial data from the fourth quarter of 2008. Furthermore, the report in your initial post doesn't simply say that those cancellations occurred, it states that the governor BLAMES the president for those cancellations. So, once again, a documented downward trend DOES dispel those allegations.
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What "conspiracy theory nonsense" are you talking about? 240 compared Bush's poor reaction during the 9/11 attacks to Obama's reaction yesterday. It's not rocket science.
It's not a matter of being too busy- it's a matter of this issue being completely unimportant.
Yes, the tourism statistics DO dispel the governor's allegations because the report I linked to specifically states that the numbers the governor is using include figures dating back to the fourth quarter of 2008. So, even if you want to make the argument that all of the cancellations following Obama's comments were completely due to that event, the numbers the governor is using include financial data from the fourth quarter of 2008. Furthermore, the report in your initial post doesn't simply say that those cancellations occurred, it states that the governor BLAMES the president for those cancellations. So, once again, a documented downward trend DOES dispel those allegations.
Where have you been? He injects that 911 crap into as many discussions as possible. That's why the "Pet Goat" comments were made. Bush's reaction has zero to do with this situation, but I've said that already.
I read the link. It does not dispel the governor's comments. It says nothing about the number of conventions cancelled after Obama's comments.
A documented downward trend does not mean that there were not 400 cancellations after Obama's comments.
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Where have you been? He injects that 911 crap into as many discussions as possible. That's why the "Pet Goat" comments were made. Bush's reaction has zero to do with this situation, but I've said that already.
I read the link. It does not dispel the governor's comments. It says nothing about the number of conventions cancelled after Obama's comments.
A documented downward trend does not mean that there were not 400 cancellations after Obama's comments.
The governor states that the cancellations are Obama's fault and that he should apologize for them. The existence of increasing cancellations prior to Obama's comments strongly suggests that his comments had little, if any, effect on the trend. Therefore, the existence of the trend, not just for Vegas but for the entire country, DOES in fact dispel the governor's assertion that Obama's comments hurt the economy and that he should apologize for them.
And, 240 made no references to conspiracy theories. He made a very transparent comparison of how poorly Bush handled the half hour following the 9/11 attacks to how Obama spent Memorial Day. He didn't make the claim that Bush's reaction had anything to do with this situation. Obama golfing has nothing to do with this situation or NKorea's missile tests, either. That was sort of the point. Obama didn't limit Gibbons' meeting to an airport handjob because he COULDN'T squeeze more time in. He did so because he shouldn't. He gave him a courtesy meeting because he is a governor, but the gov's assertions are idiotic and laughable. Obama clearly doesn't and shouldn't feel obligated to squeeze this clown into his schedule for anymore than a few minutes.
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So I saw a snippet of Obama in Nevada this morning. Giving a campaign speech. He's in Nevada to attend a campaign rally. Such a busy man. ::)
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So I saw a snippet of Obama in Nevada this morning. Giving a campaign speech. He's in Nevada to attend a campaign rally. Such a busy man. ::)
Once again: the issue isn't whether or not he CAN fit the governor into his busy schedule.It's whether or not he should. He decided the gov's bullshit was only worth a handshake meeting.
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Once again: the issue isn't whether or not he CAN fit the governor into his busy schedule.It's whether or not he should. He decided the gov's bullshit was only worth a handshake meeting.
That's your viewpoint. Once again (and not again after this): I think the issue is whether the president--who has access to the entire country whenever he speaks--should make reckless comments that harms a state's economy, then refuse to meet with the governor of that state to help cure his irresponsible comments. What Obama has shown, as a candidate and now as president, is that he is unwilling to admit mistakes. I hope he improves, but this situation doesn't give me much hope.
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His comments didn't harm the state's economy and weren't reckless in context.Companies accepting bailout money from the government shouldn't spend that money on recreational trips. He has admitted mistakes in the past. I don't see that as one of his problems.