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Im sick and tired of those bastards...they brainwash their population, starve them half to death and then have the audacity to pull this shit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8069457.stm
normally i try to be reasoned and think of sensible ways out of international problems...Im fast coming to the conclusion that Nuking that tin pot shit hole might actually be the only solution. At least their people wouldnt suffer anymore
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Sanctions (trade etc.) haven't worked so the options are pretty narrow.
Maybe best to let them fuck around, I can't seriously see them going on the offensive - having said that they are a country base on nutjobbery...
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Sanctions (trade etc.) haven't worked so the options are pretty narrow.
Maybe best to let them fuck around, I can't seriously see them going on the offensive - having said that they are a country base on nutjobbery...
You=huge celtic bastard with muscles=no worries about this 8)
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is japan itchy to attack NK? I'd say let them attack NKorea. Let Israel attack Iran.
We can sit back and watch the action wihtout spending $ and lives, for a change.
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NKorea Threatens Military Strike, Abandons 1953 Armistice With South...
May 27 (Bloomberg) -- North Korea threatened a military response to South Korean participation in a U.S.-led program to seize weapons of mass destruction, and said it will no longer abide by the 1953 armistice that ended the Korean War.
“The Korean People’s Army will not be bound to the Armistice Agreement any longer,” the official Korean Central News Agency said in a statement today. Any attempt to inspect North Korean vessels will be countered with “prompt and strong military strikes.” South Korea’s military said it will “deal sternly with any provocation” from the North.
South Korean President Lee Myung Bak ordered his government to take “calm” measures on the threats, his office said in a statement today. Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary, Takeo Kawamura, echoed those remarks and called on North Korea to “refrain from taking actions that would elevate tensions in Asia.”
The threats are the strongest since North Korea tested a nuclear weapon on May 25, drawing international condemnation and the prospect of increased sanctions against the communist nation. South Korea dispatched a warship to its maritime border and is prepared to deploy aircraft, Yonhap News reported, citing military officials it didn’t identify.
“This rapid-fire provocation indicates a more aggressive shift in the Kim Jong Il regime,” said Ryoo Kihl Jae, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul. “Kim is obviously using a strategy of maximum force.”
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yeah we're gonna sit back. ::) Hey Hugo..U said u'd reenlist if the midget attacks....start practicing ur 3 second rushes.
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It'd be kind of cool if there were a real war there. Maybe salaries would go up geometrically?! :)
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yeah we're gonna sit back. ::) Hey Hugo..U said u'd reenlist if the midget attacks....start practicing ur 3 second rushes.
ok ;D
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ok ;D
Just hope they triple their salary offers.
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is japan itchy to attack NK?
With what ?
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With what ?
With samurai swords and ninja throwing stars.
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This is saber rattling. NK is not gearing up for war. They couldn't sustain war 5 min. Besides that, they aren't going to do jack crap but spout off unless China gives them support.
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65 days.....from the start of the US NEO to evac all US and foreign Nats from the Pen...until US forces encircle Pyongyang. We fully expect em to use chemical weapons. I figure if we launch cheesburgers at em, they'll be to busy to fight.
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65 days.....from the start of the US NEO to evac all US and foreign Nats from the Pen...until US forces encircle Pyongyang. We fully expect em to use chemical weapons. I figure if we launch cheesburgers at em, they'll be to busy to fight.
truly LOL
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They got enough fight in them to encircle and bypass Seoul and then sue for peace under favorable terms. It's gonna take us atleast 30 days to get our shit together.
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Even the hawks say there’s not much America can do, in response to North Korea’s nuclear test. But that doesn’t mean the U.S. military isn’t prepping for a war with the Kim Jong-Il regime, just in case.
In March, American and South Korean forces teamed up for the “Key Resolve/Foal Eagle” war game. 13,100 troops from outside Korea — and tens of thousands more, already stationed in the country — participated in the massive exercise, which focused on “deploying troops and equipment to Korea in the event of an attack,” according to a military press release.
Some U.S. and South Korean commandos made airborne jumps together from a helium blimp; others, from helicopters hovering above the Korea Strait. A third group ran a mock “operation to secure a suspected chemical weapons lab.” Unconventional weapons experts drilled in responding to a simulated strike involving “hundreds of WMD.” Navy helicopter pilots swept for mines, while Marine fighter pilots flew with their South Korean counterparts to “wipe out” simulated enemy aircraft.
The Americans and their allies kicked all kinds of butt in the exercise, of course. Other war games, testing out the North Korean scenario, didn’t end quite as cleanly. One ran by The Atlantic in 2005 forecast 100,000 or more dead civilians in the first few days. And that was if the U.S. could assemble the half-million to million troops needed for such an assault; none of the participants thought such a staggering number of troops could be gathered together, given all of America’s military commitments around the world.
Two years earlier, the Pentagon put together a very different kind of war plan for North Korea — one that didn’t involve ground troops at all. Instead, U.S. forces would lob bombs and missiles and electronic attacks in an instant “global strike.” Even nuclear weapons were considered, as part of the plan.
A similar “bolt from the blue” was proposed in a 2005 article for the Washington Post, by former Defense Secretary William Perry and Ashton Carter, who today serves as the Pentagon’s weapons-buyer-in-chief. They proposed taking out a North Korean long-range missile on the launchpad, to prevent the nuclear Kim Jong-Il from test-firing an ICBM. The surgical strike was, of course, never ordered. And the missile itself was kind of a dud.
In 2003, retired Colonel John Collins ran through the possible moves and countermoves in a military standoff on the Korean peninsula — from blockades to full-out nuclear strikes. His conclusion: “Any of the U.S. options described above could trigger uncontrollable escalation that would create appalling casualties on both sides of the DMZ and promise a Pyrrhic victory at best. Unilateral actions by the United States without unqualified ROK [Republic of Korea] agreement and willing participation every step of the way would be immoral as well as ill- advised. Inaction while Kim Jong Il develops a robust nuclear arsenal and perhaps supplies nuclear weapons to U.S. enemies, unfortunately, would worsen any future confrontation.”
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If a war breaks out there, they might triple or even quadruple EFL salaries...could be worth it. :)
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I don't think nuking a country that borders with China is an option - the Chinese don't like being irradiated.
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In my opinion, NK will never launch an attack.....they just try to bluff like they would.....they won't do it for the folowing reasons:
1. they are broke....they wouldn't be able to pay their troops or sustain a war for very long
2. they have no idea whether their troops will fight or not..they might give up in mass and defect or they may turn their guns on their commanders and fight for the south and U.S.
3. the U.S. would fight back with MASSIVE retaliation..we would wipe out the entire country with cruise missiles, predator drones, and missiles fired from submarines and battleships
4. the chinese won't intervene as long as the U.S. doesn't try to occupy korea with troops on their border.
5. Kim Jong IL only cares about survival and staying in power..he wants to maintain a legacy he can pass on to his sons...war with the U.S. would wipe out the country and would destroy his father's legacy and he would eventually be killed by U.S., his own people (like Saddham was) or captured and placed on trial for crimes against humanity for the suffering he inflicted on his people..no country would give him asylum (well..maybe china)
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In my opinion, NK will never launch an attack.....they just try to bluff like they would.....they won't do it for the folowing reasons:
1. they are broke....they wouldn't be able to pay their troops or sustain a war for very long
2. they have no idea whether their troops will fight or not..they might give up in mass and defect or they may turn their guns on their commanders and fight for the south and U.S.
3. the U.S. would fight back with MASSIVE retaliation..we would wipe out the entire country with cruise missiles, predator drones, and missiles fired from submarines and battleships
4. the chinese won't intervene as long as the U.S. doesn't try to occupy korea with troops on their border.
5. Kim Jong IL only cares about survival and staying in power..he wants to maintain a legacy he can pass on to his sons...war with the U.S. would wipe out the country and would destroy his father's legacy and he would eventually be killed by U.S., his own people (like Saddham was) or captured and placed on trial for crimes against humanity for the suffering he inflicted on his people..no country would give him asylum (well..maybe china)
exactly
if anything NK will attempt a murder/suicide with SK
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In my opinion, NK will never launch an attack.....they just try to bluff like they would.....they won't do it for the folowing reasons:
1. they are broke....they wouldn't be able to pay their troops or sustain a war for very long
2. they have no idea whether their troops will fight or not..they might give up in mass and defect or they may turn their guns on their commanders and fight for the south and U.S.
3. the U.S. would fight back with MASSIVE retaliation..we would wipe out the entire country with cruise missiles, predator drones, and missiles fired from submarines and battleships
4. the chinese won't intervene as long as the U.S. doesn't try to occupy korea with troops on their border.
5. Kim Jong IL only cares about survival and staying in power..he wants to maintain a legacy he can pass on to his sons...war with the U.S. would wipe out the country and would destroy his father's legacy and he would eventually be killed by U.S., his own people (like Saddham was) or captured and placed on trial for crimes against humanity for the suffering he inflicted on his people..no country would give him asylum (well..maybe china)
Some of what u say isn't true...
1...Irrelavent....The NKPA are the only ones who are reliable politically and otherwise. They're the only ones who get fed and paid...fed being the key.
2. The NKPA are highly motivated and will fight...this is an asian army raised in a communist cradle to grave society. These aren't arabs.
3. Yup
4. We believe the Chinese will invade to create a buffer for all the refugee's streaming north...
5. Kim may be on his way out..his son is very close to the military.
6. China wants no part of this guy..if this happens they hope it will happen quickly and that he ends up dead.
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Even the hawks say there’s not much America can do, in response to North Korea’s nuclear test.
They're thinking inside the box.
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exactly
if anything NK will attempt a murder/suicide with SK
good point....they may commit suicide if they become really desperate and Kim realizes that he nor his sons can maintain power ....and try to take South Korea with them...Kim is jealous of SK and believes they are actively helping the western world in plotting against him....no way would he leave them standing intact if he is being driven from power
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NK doesn't even have enough fuel to power its war machine for very long anyways and add the fact that their Air Force is in awful shape with pilots who barely get any air time and NK wouldn't last very long. They have numbers and the ability to rain down missiles and shells down upon Seoul. That's about it.
And lets not forget the US still has naval, air and ground assets in-theater. Plus the SK military is well-equipped, well trained and technologically advanced.
In the end, what would the outcome be between 5,000 NK outdated tanks rolling across the DMZ versus 2 nations worth of precision guided munitions and 2 nations that completely control the air over the battle space?
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Korean War II here I come!
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Yes but.....nK doesn't have to take the country...just push past Seoul. We don't have alot of ground troops in Area 1 which is north od Seoul and controled by 2nd ID. The nK's will use chemical weapons to deny access of movement into and out of that area. The refugee's streaming out of that area will be enormous. We're gonna loose most of 2ID...the first 10 dyas will be very bloody. The US reserves the right to use tactical nukes in response to chem strikes. Thats not likely but on the table. Be prepared for pictures of alot of dead GI's in the beginning. Then it becomes a test of wills. Obama has to make sure that once we get momentum and push them back across the "Z" that we finish. 5000 outdated tanks will eventually destroy the 2 Battalions of M1's we have there. Plus Korea is horrible tank country, horrible.
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Yes but.....nK doesn't have to take the country...just push past Seoul. We don't have alot of ground troops in Area 1 which is north od Seoul and controled by 2nd ID. The nK's will use chemical weapons to deny access of movement into and out of that area. The refugee's streaming out of that area will be enormous. We're gonna loose most of 2ID...the first 10 dyas will be very bloody. The US reserves the right to use tactical nukes in response to chem strikes. Thats not likely but on the table. Be prepared for pictures of alot of dead GI's in the beginning. Then it becomes a test of wills. Obama has to make sure that once we get momentum and push them back across the "Z" that we finish. 5000 outdated tanks will eventually destroy the 2 Battalions of M1's we have there. Plus Korea is horrible tank country, horrible.
Good assessment. The US used to have most of the 1st M.E.F up at the "Z" but the moved farther south to staging areas some time ago. There are a 1,000+ rockets, missiles and artillery guns aimed at Seoul at any given time, do you think NK just pushes past Seoul without turning it into ruble first? NK will go for maximum shock effect with WMDs, as you said, but they simply don't have the fuel or air power to sustain it. Most of the losses will come in the initial thrust and hold. The M1s (A1's or A2's?) will be good for a VERY high kill ratio and of course those 5,000 tanks will come up against a very heavy AT net.
But yes, lots of dead civilians, SK military and GI's in the initial days. But once the advance is blunted and the counter attack begins, the NK forces won't have the material/fuel to sustain themselves much longer.
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is japan itchy to attack NK? I'd say let them attack NKorea. Let Israel attack Iran.
We can sit back and watch the action wihtout spending $ and lives, for a change.
theres gonna be alot said in this thread but nothing will be a better answer than this
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theres gonna be alot said in this thread but nothing will be a better answer than this
Israel does want to attack Iran, that's for sure.
Japan probably won't do anything unless directly attacked and even then they have marginal military forces with no combat experience save for a ho-hum deployment by there "Homeland Def. Force" a few years ago.
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Yes but.....nK doesn't have to take the country...just push past Seoul. We don't have alot of ground troops in Area 1 which is north od Seoul and controled by 2nd ID. The nK's will use chemical weapons to deny access of movement into and out of that area. The refugee's streaming out of that area will be enormous. We're gonna loose most of 2ID...the first 10 dyas will be very bloody. The US reserves the right to use tactical nukes in response to chem strikes. Thats not likely but on the table. Be prepared for pictures of alot of dead GI's in the beginning. Then it becomes a test of wills. Obama has to make sure that once we get momentum and push them back across the "Z" that we finish. 5000 outdated tanks will eventually destroy the 2 Battalions of M1's we have there. Plus Korea is horrible tank country, horrible.
I don't know what the U.S. military has planned in the event of an attack..but I think they know that Seoul is toast and that our troops there will sustain heavy losses in terms of life....they are simply there as a tripwire to ensure that the U.S. will respond.....their lives are actually being sacrificed since the NK army will quickly overrun SK in the first days of the war....
again..I think the U.S. plan would be to strike NK with everything including the kitchen sink....cut off their troops and the ability to supply them then destroy all troops on SK soil...but I truly suspect that the NK army will begin to defect once they are in SK...it would be hard for them to resist doing so....there wont be anything left in NK to go back to because the U.S. will destroy the entire country....
the U.S. will make sure there isn't a pot left to piss in.....We will attempt to discover Kim's hiding places and destroy them like we tried with Saddham..and china will do nothing..they don't want war with the U.S.,,unless the U.S. tried to occupy NK which we won't siunce there is no practical advantage in doing so
also the U.S. will use nukes if NK uses chemical weapons or nukes
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I've been two sKorea 4 times in the last 8 months as part of the evaluation team for 8th US Army and 2 ID. I have a pretty good idea of our plan, and what the North plans to do or our best guess at it. I'll try and answer both threads from andres and Gigx. We have A1's. We're not concerned with Kim winning, its how much damage he'll cause. We think we can encircle Pyongyang in about 65 days of sustained combat...thats from the day we begin to evac. The plan calls for us to do that earlier then hostilities. We should be able to see the NKPA begin to move to their final battle positions. We won't reinforce from the states prior to that, so as not to provoke an attack. The big problam is the NEO or evak. It will take a ton of resources to get folks down south and then to Japan. If the north chems the collection points or ports, we have a big problem. The marines might be forced to conduct an amphibious landing. We also think they will bypass Seoul so as not to get bogged down, and keep it intact. It will get hit, but not as bad as house to house. Our problem will be is that kim will get south of Seoul and then request a cease fire from the UN.
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I've been two sKorea 4 times in the last 8 months as part of the evaluation team for 8th US Army and 2 ID. I have a pretty good idea of our plan, and what the North plans to do or our best guess at it. I'll try and answer both threads from andres and Gigx. We have A1's. We're not concerned with Kim winning, its how much damage he'll cause. We think we can encircle Pyongyang in about 65 days of sustained combat...thats from the day we begin to evac. The plan calls for us to do that earlier then hostilities. We should be able to see the NKPA begin to move to their final battle positions. We won't reinforce from the states prior to that, so as not to provoke an attack. The big problam is the NEO or evak. It will take a ton of resources to get folks down south and then to Japan. If the north chems the collection points or ports, we have a big problem. The marines might be forced to conduct an amphibious landing. We also think they will bypass Seoul so as not to get bogged down, and keep it intact. It will get hit, but not as bad as house to house. Our problem will be is that kim will get south of Seoul and then request a cease fire from the UN.
Now if he does get further south with the initial suicide thrust, does the UN accept the cease-fire? It would be the US and ROK's fighting and dying. One would have to ask these questions, and the answers in the UN's case would be "Russia" and "China". But maybe not, I would hope the UN would condemn the attack or endlessly debate it, which is all they are good for, and stay out of it.
Or maybe the UN would intervene diplomatically because of the humanitarian/refugee crisis that would ensue.
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I've been two sKorea 4 times in the last 8 months as part of the evaluation team for 8th US Army and 2 ID. I have a pretty good idea of our plan, and what the North plans to do or our best guess at it. I'll try and answer both threads from andres and Gigx. We have A1's. We're not concerned with Kim winning, its how much damage he'll cause. We think we can encircle Pyongyang in about 65 days of sustained combat...thats from the day we begin to evac. The plan calls for us to do that earlier then hostilities. We should be able to see the NKPA begin to move to their final battle positions. We won't reinforce from the states prior to that, so as not to provoke an attack. The big problam is the NEO or evak. It will take a ton of resources to get folks down south and then to Japan. If the north chems the collection points or ports, we have a big problem. The marines might be forced to conduct an amphibious landing. We also think they will bypass Seoul so as not to get bogged down, and keep it intact. It will get hit, but not as bad as house to house. Our problem will be is that kim will get south of Seoul and then request a cease fire from the UN.
Hmmmm... I'm starting to notice a pattern here. Everytime HH6 goes somewhere, ...tensions follow.
HH6, ...are you being paid to stir up alot of shit? C'mon, ...you can tell us, ...you're among friends. :D
btw - Did any of you catch wind of the recent arrest by Iraqi's? Seems they caught a suspected terrorist accused of blowing alot of stuff up in Iraq, ...and do you know what he said? ...he claimed to be on the US payroll. :o
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I've been two sKorea 4 times in the last 8 months as part of the evaluation team for 8th US Army and 2 ID. I have a pretty good idea of our plan, and what the North plans to do or our best guess at it. I'll try and answer both threads from andres and Gigx. We have A1's. We're not concerned with Kim winning, its how much damage he'll cause. We think we can encircle Pyongyang in about 65 days of sustained combat...thats from the day we begin to evac. The plan calls for us to do that earlier then hostilities. We should be able to see the NKPA begin to move to their final battle positions. We won't reinforce from the states prior to that, so as not to provoke an attack. The big problam is the NEO or evak. It will take a ton of resources to get folks down south and then to Japan. If the north chems the collection points or ports, we have a big problem. The marines might be forced to conduct an amphibious landing. We also think they will bypass Seoul so as not to get bogged down, and keep it intact. It will get hit, but not as bad as house to house. Our problem will be is that kim will get south of Seoul and then request a cease fire from the UN.
Mayeb they will nail my ex-boss...
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Note: The very rule that we are all up in arms about is something the US and other nuke-owning, white-run, countries have been doing all along since all this non-proliferation mumbo-jumbo has been put into effect.
The only difference now is that Kim Jong-il is a little brown-skinned man.
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Note: The very rule that we are all up in arms about is something the US and other nuke-owning, white-run, countries have been doing all along since all this non-proliferation mumbo-jumbo has been put into effect.
The only difference now is that Kim Jong-il is a little brown-skinned man.
"We did it, so it didn't happen."
-Noam Chomsky
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And what I am trying to say with the above is not that we're all racist SOBs, what I am saying is that Kim Jong-Il is yet ANOTHER "leader" just acting like a democrat.
Let's face it, the problem is that there are too many chiefs and too few indians.
Let's do away, here and abroad mind you, with these egotistical, Moses-wannabees, compulsive socialites and replace them with representatives of The People, not just a few, but ALL.
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"We did it, so it didn't happen."
-Noam Chomsky
Exactly.
I've always wandered how ANY country can spend almost 520 BILLION dollars in weapons and personnel and STILL claim they're "spreading democracy". I mean you add up the military expenses of the next 10 countries on the list and it STILL doesn't even come close to what we spend.
I guess freedom-spreading is an expensive business.
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Exactly.
I've always wandered how ANY country can spend almost 520 BILLION dollars in weapons and personnel and STILL claim they're "spreading democracy". I mean you add up the military expenses of the next 10 countries on the list and it STILL doesn't even come close to what we spend.
I guess freedom-spreading is an expensive business.
All genetics... 8)
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news is slow, we need a war
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All genetics... 8)
you know Deicide, out of your 15,161 posts, 15,000 of them have been "it's all genetics" :)
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you know Deicide, out of your 15,161 posts, 15,000 of them have been "it's all genetics" :)
Nah, maybe 25% of them, max...
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Now if he does get further south with the initial suicide thrust, does the UN accept the cease-fire? It would be the US and ROK's fighting and dying. One would have to ask these questions, and the answers in the UN's case would be "Russia" and "China". But maybe not, I would hope the UN would condemn the attack or endlessly debate it, which is all they are good for, and stay out of it.
Or maybe the UN would intervene diplomatically because of the humanitarian/refugee crisis that would ensue.
Thats the question....depends on what we're seeing on TV. I think once US forces gain momentum, things are over for the nKoreans and we won't stop....it depends on how quickly the US can begin to conduct offensive combat operations. China will immediatly invade to create a buffer zone.
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Thats the question....depends on what we're seeing on TV. I think once US forces gain momentum, things are over for the nKoreans and we won't stop....it depends on how quickly the US can begin to conduct offensive combat operations. China will immediatly invade to create a buffer zone.
So would US and Chinese troops meet up somewhere around Choson and shake hands a la 1945?
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They'd create another DMZ. China doesn't want US troops on her border and they don't want all these nKoreans so we think they'll invade and set up camps on the nK side.
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They'd create another DMZ. China doesn't want US troops on her border and they don't want all these nKoreans so we think they'll invade and set up camps on the nK side.
The "reunification" process will make West/East Germany look like a cakewalk.
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The "reunification" process will make West/East Germany look like a cakewalk.
S.Korea doesn't want reunification because it knows it would be devastating to its economy but also doesn't like the American military occupation, kind of a lose/lose situation. But since we WILL go broke and won't be able to afford to garrison the place, they will have to deal with it eventually.
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The "reunification" process will make West/East Germany look like a cakewalk.
In some peoples' minds, reunification still hasn't happened in Germany.
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In some peoples' minds, reunification still hasn't happened in Germany.
I have friends from England and when our drunken discussions got into politics and such they usually made a point to say how delighted the rest of Europe was with "reunification" because it would take some of the piss out of the Germany.
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I have friends from England and when our drunken discussions got into politics and such they usually made a point to say how delighted the rest of Europe was with "reunification" because it would take some of the piss out of the Germany.
Eastern Germany is a mess. I have lived there.
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S.Korea doesn't want reunification because it knows it would be devastating to its economy but also doesn't like the American military occupation, kind of a lose/lose situation. But since we WILL go broke and won't be able to afford to garrison the place, they will have to deal with it eventually.
No u don't like us there, we enjoy 70% approval from the Korean people. Maybe the students aren't crazy about us but if u own a business, u love Americans...Koreans aren't stupid.
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No u don't like us there, we enjoy 70% approval from the Korean people. Maybe the students aren't crazy about us but if u own a business, u love Americans...Koreans aren't stupid.
SOME businesses yes, but generally speaking it is a love/hate relationship and not a positive one.
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Um....don't u hate these people. Again 70% approval....
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Um....don't u hate these people. Again 70% approval....
Hate, not really, not my favourites but...anyway, I have to go to bed.
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Um....don't u hate these people. Again 70% approval....
It's usually the ignorant youth with zero sense of the peril their country was in during the war that protest and such.
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It's usually the ignorant youth with zero sense of the peril their country was in during the war that protest and such.
Most youth is too stupid to realize the real implications of whatever they are protesting for.
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No u don't like us there, we enjoy 70% approval from the Korean people. Maybe the students aren't crazy about us but if u own a business, u love Americans...Koreans aren't stupid.
Where do you get the "70% approval from the Korean People"?
My apologies for asking... but I do remember reading an article a New York Times article talking about how pissed South Koreans (never mind their brothers to the north) were at the US. They did make mention of a Gallup poll talking about 65% of South Koreans wanting the "US out now".
Let me see if I can find it.
:P
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Here (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/world/american-policies-presence-are-under-fire-south-korea-straining-alliance.html?pagewanted=2) is it.
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Here's an interesting graph:
(http://joongangdaily.joins.com/_data/photo/2008/09/22225237.jpg)
Disapproval of American troop presence is at 51% (more or less). I presume the sudden increase of support for US troops has to do with Kim's trigger-happy attitude and not our "good-hearted nature".
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Here's an interesting graph:
(http://joongangdaily.joins.com/_data/photo/2008/09/22225237.jpg)
Disapproval of American troop presence is at 51% (more or less). I presume the sudden increase of support for US troops has to do with Kim's trigger-happy attitude and not our "good-hearted nature".
If you look at Okinawa it would be even worse.
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Is that hatred of U.S. troop presence or just the general feeling that the new generations ,that have no real connection to the past war, want foreign troops off of their soil?
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Is that hatred of U.S. troop presence or just the general feeling that the new generations ,that have no real connection to the past war, want foreign troops off of their soil?
I don't know. I suspect amongst ALL Koreans of all ages the discontent with American military presence is overwhelming. Methinks there is definitely something lost in translation. Koreans seem to acknowledge that, every time Kim detonates a nuke, there is a need for foreign military presence in South Korea to calm him down. At the same time they want those troops out. It's odd. It's like they're telling Kim:"look, if you make any attempt to come into our territory we will let the Americans in to get rid of you."
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The major English language daily did the poll I refered to...70% approve. It had nothing to do with us leaving. We moved a Squadron of AH64 Apache's out of Korea in March. They went crazy, every time we withdraw forces, they go crazy.They weren't happy with us moving most of our stuff down south. They weren't happy with us sending 2ID forces to Iraq. The South wants us the..big money..less they used to spend on defence..a good deal for them.
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The major English language daily did the poll I refered to...70% approve. It had nothing to do with us leaving. We moved a Squadron of AH64 Apache's out of Korea in March. They went crazy, every time we withdraw forces, they go crazy.They weren't happy with us moving most of our stuff down south. They weren't happy with us sending 2ID forces to Iraq. The South wants us the..big money..less they used to spend on defence..a good deal for them.
So post the web address to the poll.
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Hey Slapper.....u look it up ok. I read it in the paper when I was there....
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It is a love/hate relationship....when we move troops out, it hurts their economy because our troops spend money there.....they don't dare ask us to leave however because then Kim would take over SK in a week without our presence there