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Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose Gay Marriage
Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:35 PM
By: Rick Pedraza
A new USA Today/Gallup poll shows that 57 percent of Americans oppose legalizing same-sex marriage while 40 percent are in favor.
The poll, released Wednesday, comes on the heels of the California Supreme Court’s upholding of Proposition 8, a citizen-enacted constitutional amendment that bans gay marriage. The poll results reflect the highest opposition to the controversial issue since 2005, when a similar survey produced a 59-37 percent margin against same-sex marriage.
In 2008, a Gallup poll showed 56 percent of those surveyed were in opposition to gay marriage while 40 percent supported it; and in 2007, the numbers were 53 percent in opposition to 46 percent in support.
The new poll shows nearly half of Americans (48 percent) believe allowing two people of the same sex to marry will “change our society for the worse,” while only 13 percent say it will “change society for the better.” Thirty-six percent of those surveyed said it would have no effect at all.
“While Americans have become increasingly likely to believe that the law should not discriminate against gay individuals and gay couples, the public still seems reluctant at this point to extend those protections to the institution of marriage," Gallup's Jeffrey M. Jones said.
"Public support for gay marriage appears to have stalled in the last two years, even as the gay marriage movement has scored a number of legal and legislative victories at the state level in the past year," he added.
Gallup found that 75 percent of self-describing liberals support legalizing gay marriage, while only 19 percent of self-describing conservatives support it. Gallup also found that “younger Americans have typically been more supportive of same sex marriage than older Americans.”
“A majority of 18- to 29-year-olds think gay or lesbian couples should be allowed to legally marry, while support reaches only as high as 40 percent among the three older age groups,” Gallup reports.
A Quinnipiac survey conducted last month produced similar results. When asked if they would oppose a law in their state that would allow same-sex couples to get married, 55 percent said they would while 38 percent said they would not.
Further results from the Gallup poll show:
Sixty-nine percent of Americans are in favor of military service by openly gay men and lesbians, an increase from a 1993 NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that showed only 43 percent in favor of allowing gays to serve in the military.
Sixty-seven percent say gay and lesbian domestic partners should have access to health insurance and other employee benefits.
Seventy-three percent believe gay and lesbian domestic partners should have inheritance rights.
Twenty-eight percent believe that gays or lesbians should not be hired as elementary school teachers.
Sixty-nine percent believe gays or lesbians should be allowed to teach children.
Fifty-four percent support adoption rights for gay couples, an increase from Newsweek polls conducted in 2002 (46 percent) and 2004 (45 percent).
Same-sex marriages are legal in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, and Iowa, and will be legal in Vermont in September.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/gallup_gay_marriage_poll/2009/05/28/219141.html
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Man, get the fuck over it. I live in CT. The state hasn't collapsed and fallen into ruin since they were legalized. In fact, I'm pretty sure most people don't give a shit.
The fact that people still defend marriage as this glorious thing when 50% or so end in divorce is hilarious.
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Maybe people defend marraige because more than half of those who get married stay married. Few things more beautiful than a couple that has been married for 50 or 60 years.
If you find the right woman marriage is a great thing.
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Maybe people defend marraige because more than half of those who get married stay married. Few things more beautiful than a couple that has been married for 50 or 60 years.
If you find the right woman marriage is a great thing.
And obviously most Americans do that as 50% or more (whatever the exact number is right now) end in divorce. The glory and sanctity of marriage has been gone for years.
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Man, get the fuck over it. I live in CT. The state hasn't collapsed and fallen into ruin since they were legalized. In fact, I'm pretty sure most people don't give a shit.
The fact that the number of states with marriage amendments jumped from 4 to 30 over the last 5 years proves that statement of yours is quite inaccurate.
The fact that people still defend marriage as this glorious thing when 50% or so end in divorce is hilarious.
Even more hilarious are people that use divorce statistics to downplay marriage one minute, then bleat and blubber when homosexuals fail at changing state law to accomodate them the next.
I don't hear you yapping about getting over it, when a state passes an amendment.
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And obviously most Americans do that as 50% or more (whatever the exact number is right now) end in divorce. The glory and sanctity of marriage has been gone for years.
Not for the tons of couples who get married, stay married, have families, etc. It remains one of the backbones of our society.
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The fact that the number of states with marriage amendments jumped from 4 to 30 over the last 5 years proves that statement of yours is quite inaccurate.
Even more hilarious are people that use divorce statistics to downplay marriage one minute, then bleat and blubber when homosexuals fail at changing state law to accomodate them the next.
I don't hear you yapping about getting over it, when a state passes an amendment.
Just delaying the inevitable. You religious fags who beat and thump your chests because some fictional book told you what can and can't constitute a legitimate marriage are amusing.
The best part is that most of you thumping your chests are probably divorcees like the coach. Walking hypocrites.
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And obviously most Americans do that as 50% or more (whatever the exact number is right now) end in divorce. The glory and sanctity of marriage has been gone for years.
I can go put my hands on 2 chicks right now 1 of which is on her 4th marriage, the other, is about to be on her 3rd.
Marriage is not some holy union... It's just another tax credit.
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Man, get the fuck over it. I live in CT. The state hasn't collapsed and fallen into ruin since they were legalized. In fact, I'm pretty sure most people don't give a shit.
The fact that people still defend marriage as this glorious thing when 50% or so end in divorce is hilarious.
Not the point BF.
The gays are like any other social-liberal entity. They want to eliminate the absolutes of traditional society and make people more accepting of alternative behaviors thru social confusion. "Marriage" is between a man and a woman. That's it. If two concenting adults want to co-habitate and do whatever it is they do, that's great. But it is NOT 'marriage'. Call it something else. Make up your own term for it.
I drive a Ford. No matter how much I want to think it is a Toyota, it isn't. I can tell everyone it is, I can protest that the government doesn't allow me to call it a Toyota down at the DMV... I can threaten people who dare to correct me about it... I can call it whatever, but it is still a Ford.
If 'marriage' no longer is what it traditionally was, then there becomes a gray area about the terminology. Can one marry their dog? Their sister? What defines the word?
It has very little to do with marriage benefits for partners and the like. It is about degrading the status quo of society to a point where nothing means anything, and everything can be called anything.
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Just delaying the inevitable. You religious fags who beat and thump your chests because some fictional book told you what can and can't constitute a legitimate marriage are amusing.
The best part is that most of you thumping your chests are probably divorcees like the coach. Walking hypocrites.
I've been married to the same woman for 20 years, but what does Coach's marital status have to do with anything?
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I can go put my hands on 2 chicks right now 1 of which is on her 4th marriage, the other, is about to be on her 3rd.
Marriage is not some holy union... It's just another tax credit.
Yes, marriage is truly a site to behold. Those heterosexual couples do such a great job upholding the values of marriage and embody everything good about it. ::)
What a crock. This issue just goes to show how many Americans have their heads up their asses. I can think of 1000 different issues that are more important than whether or not two couples can get married.
Really, though. How would two gays marrying affect your marriage in anyway? It's not like it would make it less valid or inadequate. ::)
I've been married to the same woman for 20 years, but what does Coach's marital status have to do with anything?
Because the religious guys thumping their chests about protecting marriage are usually walking contradictions with their divorces, affairs, domestic abuse and other problems that violate everything that marriage is supposed to embody.
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If 'marriage' no longer is what it traditionally was, then there becomes a gray area about the terminology. Can one marry their dog? Their sister? What defines the word?
I think it's pretty simple... If 2 people are of legal age to wed, and both are able to soundly make the decision, then they should have the right to get married.
People always bring up dogs and pets and shit... That's just stupid.
A dog doesn't have the mental faculties to understand marriage, therefore, it's not allowed.
If a brother and sister want to get hitched, then that's their business... Not mine.
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What does being against gay 'marriage' have to do with theology?
The two aren't synonymous.
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Not the point BF.
The gays are like any other social-liberal entity. They want to eliminate the absolutes of traditional society and make people more accepting of alternative behaviors thru social confusion. "Marriage" is between a man and a woman. That's it. If two concenting adults want to co-habitate and do whatever it is they do, that's great. But it is NOT 'marriage'. Call it something else. Make up your own term for it.
I drive a Ford. No matter how much I want to think it is a Toyota, it isn't. I can tell everyone it is, I can protest that the government doesn't allow me to call it a Toyota down at the DMV... I can threaten people who dare to correct me about it... I can call it whatever, but it is still a Ford.
If 'marriage' no longer is what it traditionally was, then there becomes a gray area about the terminology. Can one marry their dog? Their sister? What defines the word?
It has very little to do with marriage benefits for partners and the like. It is about degrading the status quo of society to a point where nothing means anything, and everything can be called anything.
While I don't agree with your points, I appreciate you actually putting some thought into your post. Always expected from you.
I just don't see how traditional marriage has anything positive left. It's been dismantled and spit on by heterosexual couples for years. It's gotten to the point that people don't even think anything of a divorce. Like Tu_Holmes said, women are just churning through marriages like they're nothing. That's what we're trying to protect? People that only see marriage as a means for financial gain, because that's how most women seem to view it these days.
50% divorce rate leads me to believe that everything that marriage stands for has long been cast to the wayside.
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Because the religious guys thumping their chests about protecting marriage are usually walking contradictions with their divorces, affairs, domestic abuse and other problems that violate everything that marriage is supposed to embody.
Pretty broad brush there BF. You're making some pretty big assumptions. You really think everyone who wants to protect traditional marriage does so for religious reasons? That's really not the case.
Marriages failing because people make mistakes doesn't say anything about the institution itself. Marriage is a great thing if you find the right person.
And someone who gets a divorce doesn't forfeit the right to have an opinion, get married again, etc.
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Just delaying the inevitable. You religious fags who beat and thump your chests because some fictional book told you what can and can't constitute a legitimate marriage are amusing.
The best part is that most of you thumping your chests are probably divorcees like the coach. Walking hypocrites.
Once again, you make a complete fool of yourself by blubbering about divorces to justify gay "marriages", notwithstanding the minor fact that, Biblically speaking, divorce is allowed in certain cases, namely adultery.
If you're done with your infantile whining, maybe you can actually bring something tangible to the table.
Yes, marriage is truly a site to behold. Those heterosexual couples do such a great job upholding the values of marriage and embody everything good about it. ::)
What a crock. This issue just goes to show how many Americans have their heads up their asses.......
Apparently, you are posting this from a hall of mirrors.
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Pretty broad brush there BF. You're making some pretty big assumptions. You really think everyone who wants to protect traditional marriage does so for religious reasons? That's really not the case.
Marriages failing because people make mistakes doesn't say anything about the institution itself. Marriage is a great thing if you find the right person.
And someone who gets a divorce doesn't forfeit the right to have an opinion, get married again, etc.
Perhaps not, but wasn't Prop 8 primarily funded by the Mormon Church? That's rhetorical, I know it was.
I it's not about religion, then what is it about? Why are the religious groups the most stout and vocal dissenters of it? Seems it can't be both ways. If it wasn't religion, then why would anyone care? There's no other reason.
Marriage is crap.
Everyone deserves the right to be as miserable as I was.
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Not the point BF.
The gays are like any other social-liberal entity. They want to eliminate the absolutes of traditional society and make people more accepting of alternative behaviors thru social confusion. "Marriage" is between a man and a woman. That's it. If two concenting adults want to co-habitate and do whatever it is they do, that's great. But it is NOT 'marriage'. Call it something else. Make up your own term for it.
I drive a Ford. No matter how much I want to think it is a Toyota, it isn't. I can tell everyone it is, I can protest that the government doesn't allow me to call it a Toyota down at the DMV... I can threaten people who dare to correct me about it... I can call it whatever, but it is still a Ford.
If 'marriage' no longer is what it traditionally was, then there becomes a gray area about the terminology. Can one marry their dog? Their sister? What defines the word?
It has very little to do with marriage benefits for partners and the like. It is about degrading the status quo of society to a point where nothing means anything, and everything can be called anything.
I pretty much agree with this. We are on the verge of creating a great deal of confusion in our society.
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Perhaps not, but wasn't Prop 8 primarily funded by the Mormon Church? That's rhetorical, I know it was.
I it's not about religion, then what is it about? Why are the religious groups the most stout and vocal dissenters of it? Seems it can't be both ways. If it wasn't religion, then why would anyone care? There's no other reason.
Marriage is crap.
Everyone deserves the right to be as miserable as I was.
I agree religious groups are probably the most vocal, but they hardly carry the day at the polls. Millions of Americans, regardless of party, have voted to preserve traditional marriage across the country.
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The majority of whites and asians that voted in CA the other day were against Prop 8. ;)
It's the blacks and hispanics who think it's their god given right to marry and spit out 40 kids that they can't support.
But they have no problem with fathering multiple children with different women that they're incapable of supporting. ::)
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Pretty broad brush there BF. You're making some pretty big assumptions. You really think everyone who wants to protect traditional marriage does so for religious reasons? That's really not the case.
Marriages failing because people make mistakes doesn't say anything about the institution itself. Marriage is a great thing if you find the right person.
And someone who gets a divorce doesn't forfeit the right to have an opinion, get married again, etc.
And guess which side kept pushing for "no-fault" divorces (Hint: many of them also back gay "marriage").
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And guess which side kept pushing for "no-fault" divorces (Hint: many of them also back gay "marriage").
Yep. It is sort of a twisted argument to condemn high divorce rates when you support making divorce as easy as possible. It's also rather silly to dump on marriage, but complain about some groups not being able to participate.
If I ruled the world getting married and divorced would be harder than it is today.
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Yep. It is sort of a twisted argument to condemn high divorce rates when you support making divorce as easy as possible. It's also rather silly to dump on marriage, but complain about some groups not being able to participate.
If I ruled the world getting married and divorced would be harder than it is today.
That's just it. They CAN participate. The fact that they don't want to do so, because of "preference", makes no difference.
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That's just it. They CAN participate. The fact that they don't want to do so, because of "preference", makes no difference.
True.
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If I ruled the world getting married and divorced would be harder than it is today.
I can agree with that.
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I think that the wording of some of those propositions and amendments are too confusing. People without all that jargon savvy don't know which way to vote to get what they want. The word "marriage" and "gay" seems to be even more upsetting for people. Calling it a "common ground"? Might work.
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While I don't agree with your points, I appreciate you actually putting some thought into your post. Always expected from you.
I just don't see how traditional marriage has anything positive left. It's been dismantled and spit on by heterosexual couples for years. It's gotten to the point that people don't even think anything of a divorce. Like Tu_Holmes said, women are just churning through marriages like they're nothing. That's what we're trying to protect? People that only see marriage as a means for financial gain, because that's how most women seem to view it these days.
50% divorce rate leads me to believe that everything that marriage stands for has long been cast to the wayside.
If there's nothing positive about it, why are homosexuals blubbeirng about it, especially when marriage amendments get passed in certain states?
The divorce rate is due to the old "no-fault" divorce mentality, combined with a general lack of "stick-to-it"-iveness about marriage.