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How insensitive can you get? People need to learn how to pick their battles. I would have told the complaining employee who was offended by the flag to go suck an egg.
Texas Woman Told to Remove 'Offensive' American Flag From Office
Friday, May 29, 2009
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/534978/1_61_052809_flag_0.jpg)
Debbie McLucas, seen here at home in Arlington, Texas, has been invited by her supervisor to display the flag in her office.
Debbie McLucas comes from a patriotic family – her husband and both of her sons served in the U.S. military, and her daughter is currently deployed to Iraq on her second tour of duty as a combat medic.
So when McLucas arrived at work at a Texas hospital last Friday, she was stunned to be told that the Stars and Stripes she had hung in her office in advance of Memorial Day were offensive, and that the flag had been removed.
“I got into work, I was met by my supervisor and told that there had been multiple complaints, that people found the flag very offensive and it had been taken down," McLucas told FOXNews.com.
"I went to the office to retrieve it and found the flag wrapped around the pole, sitting in the corner on the ground. I was speechless."
McLucas, a supervisor at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas, had displayed the 3-by-5-foot flag in the office she shares with the hospital’s three other supervisors. McLucas said one of her colleagues, a woman who immigrated to the United States from Africa 14 years ago, complained about the flag to upper management, and the hospital decided to take down the flag.
"I was told that as long as my flag offended one person, it would be taken down," McLucas said.
She said the hospital told her that the American flag flying outside the building would have to suffice. "I was told, ‘There is a flag hanging out front, everyone can see that one. Is that not enough?’"
No, she said, that wasn't enough.
"It is more than I can even fathom, that you would find the American flag offensive, in America," McLucas said.
A Kindred Healthcare spokeswoman did not return calls for comment. Kindred issued a press release stating, “Kindred Hospital Mansfield has a great deal of appreciation for the service that many of our employees and their families have given to their country. We honor our veterans and active military through a variety of benefits and service programs. This was an isolated incident between two employees that we are working to resolve amicably.”
The statement went on to explain: “The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.”
And it will go back up and stay up, McLucas said.
"I do think they're trying to do the right thing. I have no reason to believe the flag won't remain there as long as I'm employed."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522659,00.html?test=latestnews
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Gotta be more to it than that....
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Private employers can pretty much do what ever the hell they please with the place of employment.
If she doesn't like it, she's free to find a new job that will permit her flag activities.
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Or she can notify the media and the employer can become the subject of a national story that makes them look like imbeciles. Gotta pick your battles.
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Or she can notify the media and the employer can become the subject of a national story that makes them look like imbeciles. Gotta pick your battles.
Ya, I don't see the employer winning this one in any way, shape or form.
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Ya, I don't see the employer winning this one in any way, shape or form.
They could "win" this if we're talking about whether the employer has the right to regulate its workplace, but no way will the employer win the court of public opinion. Just a bad management decision. I'd much rather deal with someone who is offended by the flag than someone who had a husband and kids fighting in a war.
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as soon as that bitch complained about it they should have said 'ok then back to Africa with you' and deported her immediately.
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Gotta be more to it than that....
that's what I was thinking.
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How insensitive can you get? People need to learn how to pick their battles. I would have told the complaining employee who was offended by the flag to go suck an egg.
Texas Woman Told to Remove 'Offensive' American Flag From Office
Friday, May 29, 2009
(http://www.foxnews.com/images/534978/1_61_052809_flag_0.jpg)
Debbie McLucas, seen here at home in Arlington, Texas, has been invited by her supervisor to display the flag in her office.
Debbie McLucas comes from a patriotic family – her husband and both of her sons served in the U.S. military, and her daughter is currently deployed to Iraq on her second tour of duty as a combat medic.
So when McLucas arrived at work at a Texas hospital last Friday, she was stunned to be told that the Stars and Stripes she had hung in her office in advance of Memorial Day were offensive, and that the flag had been removed.
“I got into work, I was met by my supervisor and told that there had been multiple complaints, that people found the flag very offensive and it had been taken down," McLucas told FOXNews.com.
"I went to the office to retrieve it and found the flag wrapped around the pole, sitting in the corner on the ground. I was speechless."
McLucas, a supervisor at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield, Texas, had displayed the 3-by-5-foot flag in the office she shares with the hospital’s three other supervisors. McLucas said one of her colleagues, a woman who immigrated to the United States from Africa 14 years ago, complained about the flag to upper management, and the hospital decided to take down the flag.
"I was told that as long as my flag offended one person, it would be taken down," McLucas said.
She said the hospital told her that the American flag flying outside the building would have to suffice. "I was told, ‘There is a flag hanging out front, everyone can see that one. Is that not enough?’"
No, she said, that wasn't enough.
"It is more than I can even fathom, that you would find the American flag offensive, in America," McLucas said.
A Kindred Healthcare spokeswoman did not return calls for comment. Kindred issued a press release stating, “Kindred Hospital Mansfield has a great deal of appreciation for the service that many of our employees and their families have given to their country. We honor our veterans and active military through a variety of benefits and service programs. This was an isolated incident between two employees that we are working to resolve amicably.”
The statement went on to explain: “The disagreement was over the size of the flag and not what it symbolized. We have invited the employee to put the flag back up.”
And it will go back up and stay up, McLucas said.
"I do think they're trying to do the right thing. I have no reason to believe the flag won't remain there as long as I'm employed."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,522659,00.html?test=latestnews
The thing that is offensive is not them making her take it down,but them throwing the flag on the ground.I bet if she would have had a rainbow flag up no one would have said a peep.
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I could be wrong, but from the way it was written I assumed they meant that they stood the pole in a corner or something.
This sort of reminds me of that "Frasier" episode where he was feuding with his upstairs neighbor who hung a large flag over the side of his balcony that blocked Frasier's windows. When Frasier complained, everyone in the building accused him of being un-American.
I, too, think there was more to the story. I'm not sure what, exactly, but there were probably some inter-office politics at play here.
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as soon as that bitch complained about it they should have said 'ok then back to Africa with you' and deported her immediately.
Would probably serve the bitch right. :)
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Either way its a privately owned business and they can do what ever they want and if she doesn't like she can leave. The business may face some negative press, but who cares? The negative press will be forgotten in a matter of hours......or at least until the next stupid reality show airs sometime this evening.
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that's what I was thinking.
More non-newsworthy news...
Now that I am thinking about it, we need another thread on gay marriage, hasn't been discussed enough...
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Arlington, Texas, huh?
Ronnie used to be a cop there. We see how that one worked out
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What surprises me is that this happened in Texas of all places. I say this as a proud former Texan.
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uh, the disagreement was over the SIZE of the flag not that it was the Flag.
Are people REALLY that dumb that they cannot read the entire article and pick out the Relevant information?
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uh, the disagreement was over the SIZE of the flag not that it was the Flag.
Are people REALLY that dumb that they cannot read the entire article and pick out the Relevant information?
But everything is supposed to be bigger in Texas.
That's why Texas women walk bow-legged.
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But everything is supposed to be bigger in Texas.
LOL true.
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I bet if she would have had a rainbow flag up no one would have said a peep.
True. :-\
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True. :-\
Depends on the Size of the Rainbow Flag. Would you have a problem if she wanted to put up a rainbow flag beside the American Flag of equal size?
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Depends on the Size of the Rainbow Flag. Would you have a problem if she wanted to put up a rainbow flag beside the American Flag of equal size?
No, especially if she had a couple of homosexual sons (which would be a better hypothetical). Just to keep things in context, "her husband and both of her sons served in the U.S. military, and her daughter is currently deployed to Iraq on her second tour of duty as a combat medic."
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No, especially if she had a couple of homosexual sons (which would be a better hypothetical). Just to keep things in context, "her husband and both of her sons served in the U.S. military, and her daughter is currently deployed to Iraq on her second tour of duty as a combat medic."
The flag size is what they were arguing about. Do you think Size matters? Does the biggest flag mean the most "patriotic". Also, the flag is back up so what is the point of this story anyways?
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The flag size is what they were arguing about. Do you think Size matters? Does the biggest flag mean the most "patriotic". Also, the flag is back up so what is the point of this story anyways?
Flag size isn't the real issue. It's about a company making a good business decision. They initially screwed it up. Telling her she can put it back up was the right decision.
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The employer sets the rules as to what's appropriate at work. If she wants to be patriotic she can hang her flag on her own private property.
That said, leaving the flag on the floor was distasteful and disrespectful. I'd have tea bagged the bitches coffee cup.
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Gotta be more to it than that....
what probably happened was that the fat american chick went into the break room and saw a plate of chicken nuggets and some donuts. Probably thought it was for everyone and decided to eat it all, then realized that it was the other girls week worth of groceries and then bitched about it.
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Why is it that when two anonymous people are having a disagreement, ...people feel the need to vilify one or the other? Do any of us even know these people? So where do we get off on calling them names, or making up scenarios about their lives... let alone calling for their deportation? Seriously, grow the fuck up people! >:(
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Seriously, grow the fuck up people! >:(
Mom, are you logging in on Jag's account again?
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Mom, are you logging in on Jag's account again?
Yes. Now go eat your vegetables! :D
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sounds like the spillover of a personal feud between these two women.
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The flag size is what they were arguing about. Do you think Size matters? Does the biggest flag mean the most "patriotic". Also, the flag is back up so what is the point of this story anyways?
There is more to this story on both sides. It probably some tit for tat stuff that women of her age group in offices around the nation do...I've seen stuff like this a million times...two females who have nothing better to do than to talk about their families, pull their claws out, talk about each other,etc...
Size of the flag my eye.
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Yes. Now go eat your vegetables! :D
But I ate 'em already. God!!!!
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And what age would that be Parker? And since when did you become an expert on women?
I don't recall the article mentioning the age of either woman. :-\