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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Go 4 It on June 01, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
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Hey bros, been off the boards for a minute, I'm usually all over the place during the summer so not much time to post, but I've been on the Anabolic Diet now for about 2 months now, and I gotta say this diet rocks! I honestly recomend this diet for anybody trying to lean out while keeping size, especially natties. I seriously laugh at the stuff I'm eating on a daily basis and I keep getting leaner, the only thing that is really hard is the first part of the diet, going low carb for a few weeks straight with no carb up until you system adjusts, not gonna lie I felt like shit, but now since I feel that my body has a adjusted and I've had a couple carb up weekends, I feel great. It's not as strict as the Palumbo diet, but I think the Palumbo diet would be ideal to use during a cutting phase, right now I'm doing a maintinance phase, and I'm getting leaner and leaner and I'm taking in around 3,000 cals a day, not bad. Anyways heres a decent site to check out if you want a little more info about this diet, honestly I feel this diet is something I can easily stay on year round. Anyone else been on this diet? Any thoughts? Recomendations (food recipes/supplements)? http://stronglifts.com/anabolic-diet/
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i tried this diet out october/november of 07...worked awesome... i have no idea why i stopped doing it... i remember just a few days in to it i got fuller and leaner and stronger... my favorite snack on that diet is spicy pork rinds..
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Haha..nice, yeah man, I'm eating alot of eggs (2 meals..1 with a few slices of turkey bacon and the other an omlette couple slices of cheese), not to mention a ton on steak, ground beef, lots of veggies (brocoli-spinach), I seriously feel like I'm doing a bulk up type diet and I'm getting leaner, this shit is great! Not to mention my last two carb up weekends I did 1000 gram carb up each day (sat-sun), see no residual fat gain, just getting fuller and leaner, I think the key to the carb up days are to keep the carbs mainly clean (lots of pasta, rice, potato, oats, ezikiel bread, quinoa) and maybe sugary stuff around and after workouts (cookies-doughnuts) with pre post shake. Seriously dudes, look into this!
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Go 4 it!, can you post a sample day of the diet? This is what they had on the site. Is yours similar to this?
Breakfast: 6 eggs, lemon juice
Post Workout: 1.5 scoop whey, 1tbsp fish oil
1h later: 250g ground in butter, 250g spinach with garlic, 1tbsp olive oil
Lunch: 250g ground in butter, 250g spinach with garlic, 1tbsp olive oil
Dinner: 1 tuna can with salad
Supper: 150g Emmental, 1tbsp fish oil, 100g berries, 30g flax seeds
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basic details on the diet taken from my PDF...
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what foods to eat...
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specific details on the mass phase...
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specific details on the cutting phase...
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looks good..I am definitely going to try this
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Go 4 it!, can you post a sample day of the diet? This is what they had on the site. Is yours similar to this?
Breakfast: 6 eggs, lemon juice
Post Workout: 1.5 scoop whey, 1tbsp fish oil
1h later: 250g ground in butter, 250g spinach with garlic, 1tbsp olive oil
Lunch: 250g ground in butter, 250g spinach with garlic, 1tbsp olive oil
Dinner: 1 tuna can with salad
Supper: 150g Emmental, 1tbsp fish oil, 100g berries, 30g flax seeds
Yeah, well it varies but basically this is what i've been doing
Meal 1: 6 whole eggs, 4 pieces turkey bacon
Meal 2: grilled chicken salad using half a bag of baby spinach, with 2 tablespoon olive oil
Meal 3: 6 eggs with 2 slices of american cheese (omlette)
Meal 4: 2 scoops Isopure- 2 tablespoon of all natty pb
Meal 5: Steak or ground beef patties (2 whoppers) with half bag of brocoli
Meal 6: 2 scoops Isopure with 3 tablespoon of coconut oil
thats pretty much what I'm doing sometimes I'll substitute a regular meal for one of the shakes, using more eggs or meat..
And T-Bombz your the man!! Thanks for adding those transcripts!!
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So this diet just magically breaks the laws of physics ???
At the end of the day, all the macronutrients don't mean anything. You still have to eat less calories than you use to loose fat. With this diet you don't?
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I've just started with the diet.
i'm eating lots of nuts, cheeses, and green salads drenched in various olive oils.
I'm only 3 days in and my complexion looks much better, much clearer skin
Great so far
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So this diet just magically breaks the laws of physics ???
At the end of the day, all the macronutrients don't mean anything. You still have to eat less calories than you use to loose fat. With this diet you don't?
Try it, you will see the light my friend.
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I've just started with the diet.
i'm eating lots of nuts, cheeses, and green salads drenched in various olive oils.
I'm only 3 days in and my complexion looks much better, much clearer skin
Great so far
Throw in some red meat and your good to go !
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So, this is basically the "keto" with two carb-up days instead of one?
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So, this is basically the "keto" with two carb-up days instead of one?
yup, basically .. like this..
when trying to put on size , mon-fri eat everything you see that doesnt contain carbs besides vegetables. tons of fatty steaks, whole eggs, sausages, cheeses, nuts, oils, chicken with skin, pork rinds, etc. sat-sun eat everything you see, period. try to keep fat intake and low and keep protein moderate, but otherwise go crazy.
when trying to lose body fat , mon-fri eat sensible well portioned meals, make sure to keep them without any carbs (except veggies of course). sat-sun eat alot of carbs, keep fat very low, keep protein moderate.
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yup, basically .. like this..
when trying to put on size , mon-fri eat everything you see that doesnt contain carbs besides vegetables. tons of fatty steaks, whole eggs, sausages, cheeses, nuts, oils, chicken with skin, pork rinds, etc. sat-sun eat everything you see, period. try to keep fat intake and low and keep protein moderate, but otherwise go crazy.
you don't count calories at all ? ???
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So, this is basically the "keto" with two carb-up days instead of one?
Yea seems Atkins. Bioquemichal reasons are clear, but anyway that RED MEAT RED MEAT... take care about uric acid. Also... so much saturated fats... your lymphatic system will suffer. Also liver suffer but at least the load of carbs on weekend gives a breath to it... Mmm I think it could be aggresive for the body.
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This sounds quite a bit like the diet Rheo Blair prescribed 50+ years ago.
A lot of guys grew like weeds following his advice.
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Good info, thanks.
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I haven’t looked over all of the details of the diet plan outlined in this thread, but I can tell you that I’m following more of a Blair-type diet – high protein/high (good) fat/very low carb – and my waist has gone down, while body weight had remained.
And within the last 2 weeks my weight has actually gone up a few lbs. That tells me I’m gaining a little bit of muscle while losing a bit of fat.
Nothing dramatic, mind you, but this is without any cardio.
I’ll be adding some Tabata aerobic work in another few weeks.
I just want to see how much difference the diet alone could make.
I think “gradual” is the key word/idea here. If your goal is to build lots of muscle or lose lots of fat QUICKLY & RAPIDLY, then your body can only be optimally primed to do one of those – not both – at one time.
But, I believe that a slower and more gradual approach allows a greater confluence of the two that will also produce longer lasting results in the end.
IOW there’s no crash from which to rebound.
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I haven’t looked over all of the details of the diet plan outlined in this thread, but I can tell you that I’m following more of a Blair-type diet – high protein/high (good) fat/very low carb – and my waist has gone down, while body weight had remained.
And within the last 2 weeks my weight has actually gone up a few lbs. That tells me I’m gaining a little bit of muscle while losing a bit of fat.
Nothing dramatic, mind you, but this is without any cardio.
I’ll be adding some Tabata aerobic work in another few weeks.
I just want to see how much difference the diet alone could make.
I think “gradual” is the key word/idea here. If your goal is to build lots of muscle or lose lots of fat QUICKLY & RAPIDLY, then your body can only be optimally primed to do one of those – not both – at one time.
But, I believe that a slower and more gradual approach allows a greater confluence of the two that will also produce longer lasting results in the end.
IOW there’s no crash from which to rebound.
If u eat protein u can build muscle, if u eat few calories u can lose fat, so u can do both at the same time. Maybe the point is that, many people see how their muscles goes smaller when they lose fat, but they don't think they have lots of fat INSIDE muscle and between fascia...
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I tried this diet over 10 years ago. I followed it very strictly for 6 months. You lose water, but after a while you cannot think straight. After an intense workout you feel like you are going to die.
Try doing a heavy/hard leg workout while being 1 month into this diet... I promise, you won't like it. :'(
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I just started this diet 4 weeks ago and love it. Find it very easy to adhere to and love the carb up. Started getting leaner very quickly after starting diet. I am 38 y/o 5'11 200lbs and 12% bf, want to get downt o around 8-9% bf and stay that way. I have competed in natural bb in my 20's, so rigorous dieting is nothing new, this is great for lifestyle. I do try to focus more on healthy fats by using flax, macadamia nut oil, fish oil and try to minimize unwarranted sat fat like bacon. My .02
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I read through the whole diet and no where does he even say to eat veggies. I find the book lacking in details on the types of foods to eat. Sure he lists all types of meats but what else?
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that diet made me hella aggressive
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I keep making it 4 days of low carbs and then boom!, I binge on junk food and feel disgusted with myself
I really hope to stick with it, because I look much better on low carbs
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Yeah I'm on day 3 and all I want is a sugar cookie man.
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You guys have to give your body time to adjust to the diet, Pasquale recomends something like 4 weeks, but I did a month and trust me I felt terrible the first couple of weeks, but now I feel great. Don't give in!!
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You guys have to give your body time to adjust to the diet, Pasquale recomends something like 4 weeks, but I did a month and trust me I felt terrible the first couple of weeks, but now I feel great. Don't give in!!
Did you do the high carb weekends in the first four weeks or just straight no carb 4 weeks to adjust first?
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Did you do the high carb weekends in the first four weeks or just straight no carb 4 weeks to adjust first?
No, no carbs for a month....well actually 30 carbs per day...then after that I had my first carb up, where I've been taking in 700-800 grams of carbs per day mostly clean, and lower the protein and fats on the carb up days.
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you did no carbs for a month? :o
Strong will power bro, congrats
Is that reccommended before you start?
Do you really feel like you are leaning out on this diet?
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you did no carbs for a month? :o
Strong will power bro, congrats
Is that reccommended before you start?
Do you really feel like you are leaning out on this diet?
The book doesn't really make it clear that you have to wait a month before you can start having carb up weekends
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I read through the whole diet and no where does he even say to eat veggies. I find the book lacking in details on the types of foods to eat. Sure he lists all types of meats but what else?
meats eggs cheeses oils nuts vegetables. snacks are okay just keep them no carb. like i mentioned earlier pork rinds. also, beef jerkey as long as its no carb. tons of fat and protein and then green vegetables.
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Wouldn't this diet be somewhat harmful in the long run though? Seems like it would be adequate for physique enhancement, but I doubt that anyone could stay on this forever, and when someone would go back to eating carbs regularly, wouldn't there be a substantial rebound effect causing one to retain a lot of fat and water. The absence of any kind of fruits and vegetables, coupled with all of the fats could lead to health problems as well IMO.
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Wouldn't this diet be somewhat harmful in the long run though? Seems like it would be adequate for physique enhancement, but I doubt that anyone could stay on this forever, and when someone would go back to eating carbs regularly, wouldn't there be a substantial rebound effect causing one to retain a lot of fat and water. The absence of any kind of fruits and vegetables, coupled with all of the fats could lead to health problems as well IMO.
generally speaking, fats are not unhealthy... saturated fats can have negative health effects, but normally ONLY when combined with carbohydrate dense foods. trans fats are very unhealthy... however this diet doesnt want you to eat trans fats. most fats though, are very healthy!
the issue abotu fruits and vegetables....this is accurate. but vegetables are just fine on this diet. it may not outline it on the pdf, but theres no reaosn why you shouldnt eat them...in fact the more the better. As for fruits...theres no need to eat them if your already eating vegetables. everyhting fruits can do vegetables can do it too, and can do it better. (except stimulate taste buds, of course!)
about the rebound effect... yes. that is an issue. this i more of a lifestyle diet however. its intended to be used continually forever.
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generally speaking, fats are not healthy... saturated fats can have negative health effects, but normally ONLY when combined with carbohydrate dense foods. trans fats are very unhealthy... however this diet doesnt want you to eat trans fats. most fats though, are very healthy!
the issue abotu fruits and vegetables....this is accurate. but vegetables are just fine on this diet. it may not outline it on the pdf, but theres no reaosn why you shouldnt eat them...in fact the more the better. As for fruits...theres no need to eat them if your already eating vegetables. everyhting fruits can do vegetables can do it too, and can do it better. (except stimulate taste buds, of course!)
about the rebound effect... yes. that is an issue. this i more of a lifestyle diet however. its intended to be used continually forever.
Good response dizzle,
Go 4 it, you plan on staying on the "Anabolic Diet" forever? Did the no carbs for a month also mean that you consumed no alcohol for an entire month?
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generally speaking, fats are not unhealthy... saturated fats can have negative health effects, but normally ONLY when combined with carbohydrate dense foods. trans fats are very unhealthy... however this diet doesnt want you to eat trans fats. most fats though, are very healthy!
the issue abotu fruits and vegetables....this is accurate. but vegetables are just fine on this diet. it may not outline it on the pdf, but theres no reaosn why you shouldnt eat them...in fact the more the better. As for fruits...theres no need to eat them if your already eating vegetables. everyhting fruits can do vegetables can do it too, and can do it better. (except stimulate taste buds, of course!)
about the rebound effect... yes. that is an issue. this i more of a lifestyle diet however. its intended to be used continually forever.
mmm... when u take lots of fats, like cream, cheese... lymphatic system suffers, because fats become "quilomicrones" and travel through it. Maybe u feel some gland puffed up... Common sense say it's not so healthy, I tried to eat 4 days crazy full of fats and that was the worst look of my life.
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So my first weekend I can carb up? I'm unclear. Or.. do I have to go 3-4 weeks on 30g carbs then I'm allowed my carb weekends. Please help. :-\
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So my first weekend I can carb up? I'm unclear. Or.. do I have to go 3-4 weeks on 30g carbs then I'm allowed my carb weekends. Please help. :-\
In my point of view, you can carb up, it will be easier, but if u can wait 2 or 3 weeks, u'll get leaner and stronger hormon change (low insuline, high gh, t...)
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So my first weekend I can carb up? I'm unclear. Or.. do I have to go 3-4 weeks on 30g carbs then I'm allowed my carb weekends. Please help. :-\
I read the doc and they say you have to wait for your body to turn. Which can take 2-4 weeks before you start eating carbs.
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Good deal thanks fellas
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Good response dizzle,
Go 4 it, you plan on staying on the "Anabolic Diet" forever? Did the no carbs for a month also mean that you consumed no alcohol for an entire month?
Yeah, no alcohol for a month :-\ I don't know if I will stay on it forever, but I will definitely be incorporating this diet at various times of throughout the year, I think it's a great cutting diet for summer or whatever, or a would be great to use when cutting on carbs and you get stuck at a certain point, I think switching to this will get that last little bit of fat off. I will say that this diet is definitely easy to stay on year round for me I wouldn't have any problem with it, but I feel that I need to improve much more (mass wise), but if you already have the body that you strive for, I think this diet would be perfect for maintaining/slowly adding muscle/recovery/energy year round. I used the Palumbo diet for the last 2 weeks before the Mr. Getbig contest and I lost I think around 8 pounds and maintained the muscle, it gets you dry. 2 pics from the contest, and the Balboa pic was from Haloween Oct 31, I think I submitted my pics on Nov 12 started the Palumbo diet Nov 1.
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your legs are sooo small :-X :-[
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Those first two pics are impressive! Great work bro!
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That last pic is ultra gay
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your legs are sooo small :-X :-[
No doubt, but I've made some major progress over the last 4-5 months, and I will keep improving them.
Those first two pics are impressive! Great work bro!
Thanks man, not bad, but definitely need to improve.
That last pic is ultra gay
Haha..yeah I agree pretty gay pic, but I think the custume was cool, and definitely was a hit with the ladies (no homo ;D)!
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A huge natural bodybuilder I know, who I know for a fact is natural because he is an Evangelical Christian fanatic, told me that the key for mass is coconut meat. Fats are great for mass because they're calorically dense, but saturated fats, although being awesome at boosting testosterone, are not ideal because they hamper digestion and increase insulin resistence. Coconut meat is ideal because it contains lots of unsaturated fats and good saturated fatty acids. The man is 5'10 and 240 lbs. He's not ripped, but his bodyfat is probably just about average.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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you dont need insulin resistance when you have no carbs in your diet. without carbs your body wont produce the insulin to store fat
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you dont need insulin resistance when you have no carbs in your diet. without carbs your body wont produce the insulin to store fat
I made a mistake. I mean saturated fats increase insulin resistence, not decreases it. Sorry.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This diet is defying all common logic. I'm still waiting for a sign that fat loss is coming. It's been over a week now with no carbs but here's what I've been eating. Mind you I'm 6'4" and 300 pounds. Not sure what my bodyfat % is, but right now I wear 40 waist pants but at my leanest I can wear 36 inch pants, so I do have 4 inches to lose on the waist
5:00 am wake up, ECA stack + BCAA
30 min low impact cardio
post cardio -whey shake, 10 grams of fiber,scoop emerald green and 5 grams fish oil.
8:30 am 1 1/3 pound sirloin burger ( no bun,or ketchup) 90/10 fat + broccoli
11:30 am 1 cup pistachios or almonds or mac nuts
2:30 pm 1 1/3 pound sirloin burger 90/10 fat (no bun or ketchup)+ 5 grams Evening Primrose oil + brocolli
4:30 pm BCAAS and other ECA
5:00 pm workout
6:00 pm post workout - Whey shake + BCAAs
6:30 pm 1/2 chicken (no skin) or a steak or 2 buffallo hotdogs from costco, broccoli
8:30 pm before bed, whey mixed with 10 grams fiber, 1 tablespoon fortified flax, 1 tablespoon mac nut oil
So I've been eating similar all week, maybe sometimes having 4 eggs and cheese omelets , adding cheese to the burgers etc...
Seriously. I'm thinking I'm going to get fat as hell eating this. I'm not missing carbs at all. The only carbs I get are the 6 grams from the emerald green mix. No ketchup, sauces, nothing. Am I just too skeptical?
I'm going to go three weeks on this before I try the carb up weekend.
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This is kinda what I'm doing too, and I finished my first week and I've been in a BAD mood. But... it's getting better. Feeling like I lost some water weight, and not having many bowel movements. Maybe I need more fiber.
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yeah, i've been pissing like a maniac, and the bowels are ok. I used to shit more and better before eating normal without any extra fiber. now it's not the best, I always feel like I have to crap even when I just finish. and yes, I was grumpy as shit for a couple of days. watching game 4 of the lakers on Thursday I could hardly make out the score. It was all blurry. I'll stick with this for at least month and see how it works out. It's too late to change my diet for the summer
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What you guys are experiencing is totally normal, I felt terrible the first 2 1/2 weeks, by week 3 I started feeling better, and by week 4 I felt great..so thats pretty much how I knew that my body adjusted to the diet for the most part, then I started the carb up weekends after that. The first weekend I went a little overboard way too much sugar based foods (doughnuts, cake, cookies, pop tarts, ice cream), but since then I've been trying to carb up with more cleaner stuff and keep the sugary stuff before and after workouts, which I feel is the best strategy...but lots of fruits, oats, rice, pasta. Mon of Steel your diet looks pretty clean man, you should be leaning up nicely, I actually think you should be getting more fats for a guy your size, u needs fats for energy so you may want to up the fats/cals a bit..more eggs possibly.
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Yeah I've been eating eggs like crazy.
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I'm in it to win it, so I'm going to rough it out for 3-4 weeks before jumping into the weekend carb thing. The only carb I am honestly missing is watermelon. Fucking love watermelon. No I'm not black ;D .
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The AD is supposed to be high carb and moderate fat (low protein) on the weekends, certainly not LOW fat since you basically remove your fuel source then and make the switch back to a glucose metabolism a little more likely to occur (although it probably won't happen anyway after only two days). It's absolutely the best diet out there. I've uploaded the ebook somewhere in the past, will check if it's still there!
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http://www.box.net/shared/fvohfajmbg (http://www.box.net/shared/fvohfajmbg)
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I started this diet on this week. So 2 days so far. Pretty low on calories too. I am not feeling bad, yesterday I felt fucking good after workout like I am on some kind of drug. :D Wtf? :D Although I was tired at the evening, and this morning.
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The book is okay but there is one issue I have for it. it considers a 3000 calorie diet to be a mass gainer one and the 1500 to be the cutter. But if you look at the sample meals who the fuck can survive a 6 hour span during the day eating a cheese string stick and two sugar free jello cups? I'd pass out from starvation eating that.
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The book is okay but there is one issue I have for it. it considers a 3000 calorie diet to be a mass gainer one and the 1500 to be the cutter. But if you look at the sample meals who the fuck can survive a 6 hour span during the day eating a cheese string stick and two sugar free jello cups? I'd pass out from starvation eating that.
it has a certain calorie amount per pound. something like 20 calories per pound for gaining and 10 calories per pound for cutting.
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it has a certain calorie amount per pound. something like 20 calories per pound for gaining and 10 calories per pound for cutting.
See that's just ridiculous then. If you're 200 pounds and eat 2000 calories a day whether it is high fat or low fat and moderate carbs you are going to lose weight. If you are active, do cardio, workout, take fat burners and eat just 2000 calories a day you will be a fat burning machine regardless of what type of diet you are on.
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The AD never states you dont have to be in caloric deficit to lose weight, you do. This just makes it very easy to stay in those caloric ranges when dieting. You feel full almost all the time due to the satiety of the fat in the diet. And it all is customizable to the individual, those were just baseline numbers. I have found if you eat every 3-4 hours and break your meals down to equal parts, then there is no issue with hunger or cravings at all. I feel the main difference in effect with this diet is how you conduct your carb up, which is very individual specific and you have to learn how your body responds.
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You have to count calories at least in the ballpark to cut on this diet. Carbups are a must to reprime your system. You dont get to the goal faster by not having carb ups, it will slow progress down.
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Good posts by both previous posters!
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Would ketogenesis provide enough fuel for the body if somebody on some party drug like mdma or cocain? What if he/she does it at the ch loading phase? What if he/she starts the ch loading right after the party prior to sleeping (with junk food) than countines on the next two days mostly clean? Which would be "better"?
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Would ketogenesis provide enough fuel for the body if somebody on some party drug like mdma or cocain? What if he/she does it at the ch loading phase? What if he/she starts the ch loading right after the party prior to sleeping (with junk food) than countines on the next two days mostly clean?
zero carb diets are for normal metabolisms. when you add ini stimulants that speed you up, and your not on loads of gear, your deifnitely going to get super high cportisol and start eating up muscle.
i experienced this a few years ago. i was a lean natural 185lbs... looked good... one month of coke and i was a skinnnny fat ugly lookinig 170... lost 15 lbs but must have lost 30 of muscle and gained 15 fat (binge eatign when coming down)
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So it would be better to ch load prior to party? I am not talking about excess drug use, one day in every 2-3 weeks.
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So it would be better to ch load prior to party? I am not talking about excess drug use, one day in every 2-3 weeks.
why not do your carbs wwhile you party? take some xxxl monster energy drink with you...full of sugar... and the caffiene will make your party drugs funner :P
or try orange juice... back in the day everybody would drink orange juice while on extacy..suposedly the vitamin c gets yuor high amped up better
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Yeah I thought about this too. :D Thanks for the replies!
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the thing about carbs are.... when your body is releasing insulin, its impossible for it to also be releasing cortisol.. so they are very very anti catabolic..... so its best to time carb intake precisely during yur most catabolic activities
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Good to know. :) Your posts are very informativ nowadays, keep up the good work! ;)
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In the end it seems all diets are bullshit and pure propaganda. The end result for fat loss is eat enough protein and burn more calories than you ingest.
Eating more fats will make you happier I guess.
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Well with the MDMA, I think you want to start your carb load at same time, cause you definitely will be jonesen for carbs the next day and you also need those carbs if you ever want to replenish your serotonin. Not that I have any idea about that feeling ::)
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I've just finished 3 weeks on this and to be honest, my cravings for carbs aren't there. As for weight loss, I think it is happening but I'll need to be patient. My workouts haven't suffered much. I am shitting a lot and pissing like crazy. I'll do my first carb weekend in one more week.
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For those who tried the diet how did you fare strength-wise on the AD?
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I've tried the Anabolic Diet and had nice results in the terms of fatloss. I found my strength did decline on most all exercises, but not by a lot. I'm currently 6 weeks into a modified steak & eggs diet in which I'm making the best progress ever. I believe I've finally found the diet that will get me ripped while allowing me to retain the maximum amount of muscle. FYI... the modified diet consists of steak & eggs two to three times per day, replacing steak with bacon or pork sausage now and then for variety when needed. Also, 3 low carb protein shakes with natural almond butter per day. Last meal of the day I have broccoli with my meal and drizzle warm melted butter over it. This is the first time ever I've been lean enough in the ab region to see veins.
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I downloaded the anabolic diet e-book and it is definitely interesting...when I first read about it here it seemed so much the opposite from everything I "knew"...but once I began reading it made a lot of sense. I have tried keto before and once my carb intake was lowered for a few days I felt like shit....any opinions on whether it would be a good protocol to 'ease' into it to avoid that lousy feeling or just go for it....one of my worries is that the e-book says to avoid operating heavy machinery for the first week 'cause you will be lightheaded and such. I am a tatto artist by trade and dont want to be 'out of it' while doing permanent art. thanks for any replies!
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I downloaded the anabolic diet e-book and it is definitely interesting...when I first read about it here it seemed so much the opposite from everything I "knew"...but once I began reading it made a lot of sense. I have tried keto before and once my carb intake was lowered for a few days I felt like shit....any opinions on whether it would be a good protocol to 'ease' into it to avoid that lousy feeling or just go for it....one of my worries is that the e-book says to avoid operating heavy machinery for the first week 'cause you will be lightheaded and such. I am a tatto artist by trade and dont want to be 'out of it' while doing permanent art. thanks for any replies!
Severely cutting carbs makes me extremely light headed as well but if you are competing or experimenting this works well...It is important to shock your body and switch up your diet
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I read this thread last week and decided to try it. I'm 30 yrs old 6'3 and stay around 205lb. Im fairly lean but like everyone else and could stand to trim some body fat from the midsection. I've been lifting for a long time and wanted to make a change so I went for it. This is day 4 and I went from 202 monday to 195 today(thurs). Its hard for me to believe much of this is water weight Iv'e lost because I have drank a lot to keep a full feeling from the lack of carbs. I'm really liking it so far and hope I can stay disciplined for 4-6 weeks on it and see what happens. Do yall think I should carb up this first weekend of the diet or wait till week 2? I've stayed under 30g carbs every day so far.
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I read this thread last week and decided to try it. I'm 30 yrs old 6'3 and stay around 205lb. Im fairly lean but like everyone else and could stand to trim some body fat from the midsection. I've been lifting for a long time and wanted to make a change so I went for it. This is day 4 and I went from 202 monday to 195 today(thurs). Its hard for me to believe much of this is water weight Iv'e lost because I have drank a lot to keep a full feeling from the lack of carbs. I'm really liking it so far and hope I can stay disciplined for 4-6 weeks on it and see what happens. Do yall think I should carb up this first weekend of the diet or wait till week 2? I've stayed under 30g carbs every day so far.
awesome,,what have you been eating???..give me a rundown..may try it myself
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Here's what I had today
Morning- 4 egg omlet with cheese and real butter, 4-5 pieces of bacon
Snack- handful almonds and peanuts, 6oz egg beaters with 2tblspoons olive oil
Lunch-12-15oz chicken with skin, piece or two of cheese
snack pre workout- 4oz egg beater and half an apple
Dinner- 12oz venison burger with 1 1/2 cup broccoli with butter
snack-4 oz egg beater tbspoon olive oil
have no idea how many calories that is or the protien to fat ratio, but its very low carb
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Here's what I had today
Morning- 4 egg omlet with cheese and real butter, 4-5 pieces of bacon
Snack- handful almonds and peanuts, 6oz egg beaters with 2tblspoons olive oil
Lunch-12-15oz chicken with skin, piece or two of cheese
snack pre workout- 4oz egg beater and half an apple
Dinner- 12oz venison burger with 1 1/2 cup broccoli with butter
snack-4 oz egg beater tbspoon olive oil
have no idea how many calories that is or the protien to fat ratio, but its very low carb
nice..but eating this every day would cost me a fortune..just in bacon and eggs alone
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Looks good on paper but in reality its too risky too even try...
not counting calories...
eat only protein and fats..(mostly bad i would say)
Im getting fatter and unhealthier just by thinking about this diet...
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The anabolic diet doesen't make much sense, either for fat loss or muscle building. You won't lose much fat even with insulin low if you are gorging on calorically dense foods like bacon an eggs. If you eat more calories than you burn, you will get fatter no matter how stable your blood sugar is because the fatty acids you just ate will go to your bloodstream and once the body realizes that the amount of calories contained in the fat circulating in your bloodstream is greater than your body's immediate need for energy the excess calories will not be converted in the liver into glucose to fuel your body's immediate needs but stored as bodyfat. Calories are calories.
It won't help you build muscle either because how can you build muscles with your glycogen stores low? Without glycogen your body will convert the protein in your muscles into glucose via gluconeogenesis to fuel your workouts. And yes, I understand that the anabolic diet allows you to eat carbs two days a weak to replenish your glycogen stores, but unfortately the body's ability to store glycogen is very limited and glycogen is drained from the whole body to fuel workouts and not from the target muscle of the workout. That is, if you train chest today you might not have enough glycogen to train legs other day.
And finally, the body puts survival much above building muscles and the brain's only fuel is glucose. If you cut out carbs completely, the body will drain all the carbs from the body to fuel the brain before it starts converting stored bodyfat or the fat you eat into ketones to fuel the brain. Only when all carbs run out does the brain switch from glucose to ketones as it's fuel source.
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SuckMyMuscle...what would you suggest? Should I continue on this diet if I'm seeing results or continue with it but add a little bit of carbs.? Have to admit, by Friday of last week I was feeling pretty foggy headed from 5 days of 30g or less of carbs per day. As long as I dont lose any muscle or strength, I'm all about sticking with this for 3-4 more weeks.
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SuckMyMuscle...what would you suggest? Should I continue on this diet if I'm seeing results or continue with it but add a little bit of carbs.? Have to admit, by Friday of last week I was feeling pretty foggy headed from 5 days of 30g or less of carbs per day. As long as I dont lose any muscle or strength, I'm all about sticking with this for 3-4 more weeks.
Look at the palumbo diet instead. Healthier and structured with a controlled carb up.
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been 3 days with no carbs and i want to die.
it's taken everything i have not to take the bag of cornbread leftover from boston market and eat all 8 pieces. this despite eating around 3000 calories and no fatty food is off limits.
how the hell am i supposed to go 12 days to kick this shit off?
workouts suck ass too.. i just wanna sleep all the time and eat cake and ice cream... boo hoo hoo :'(
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SuckMyMuscle...what would you suggest? Should I continue on this diet if I'm seeing results or continue with it but add a little bit of carbs.? Have to admit, by Friday of last week I was feeling pretty foggy headed from 5 days of 30g or less of carbs per day. As long as I dont lose any muscle or strength, I'm all about sticking with this for 3-4 more weeks.
The anabolic diet is based on the theory of hormone manipulation. The problem with this theory is that there is no evidence that manipulating macronutrient ratios increase or decrease hormone levels, and even if it did the effect would be so minimum that it would make no difference. The scientific evidence is that calories boost testosterone and insulin levels and not macronutrient ratios. GH, conversely, is best increased by caloric deprivation - because GH increases blood sugar levels.
My suggestion would be a diet rich in calories and carbs. Protein is not necessary except for tissue building and fats cannot be used efficiently by muscles. Carbs increase glycogen stores which spares protein and increase muscle cell water levels which increases protein synthesis. If you want to grow, your glycogen stores need to be always full so your muscle tissue will never be canibalized to feed your brain - your body cares about your brain a lot more than it does about your muscles, so if you cut carbs your glycogen stores and then your muscle tissue will be used to create glucose for your brain. Eat 500 grams of carbs a day prioritizing low glycemic carbs like brown rice, yams and cream of wheat so that your insulin doesen't shoot through the roof and make you fat. Get 250 grams of protein and 40-50 grams of fat for a total of 3,700-800 calories a day and you will grow if you are training to failure and properly - with a good balance of volume and frequency of training.
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the anabolic diet works, if you dont tihnk so then you havent tried it. you dont have to eliminate carbs completely, just make sure the main protion of your food is protien and fats. if your worried about saturated fats then stick to olive oil, nuts, egg yolks, etc. but really it shouldnt be a problem. it is not a diet where you can eat uinlimited calories and you dont eat super fatty foods like bacon very often and when you do its only in small amounts.
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the anabolic diet works, if you dont tihnk so then you havent tried it. you dont have to eliminate carbs completely, just make sure the main protion of your food is protien and fats. if your worried about saturated fats then stick to olive oil, nuts, egg yolks, etc. but really it shouldnt be a problem. it is not a diet where you can eat uinlimited calories and you dont eat super fatty foods like bacon very often and when you do its only in small amounts.
about once every week i remove all carbs for 24 hours...not for any diet or health reasons.....i just really rather eat protein instead...no carb days are like a treat to me :D
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the anabolic diet works, if you dont tihnk so then you havent tried it. you dont have to eliminate carbs completely, just make sure the main protion of your food is protien and fats. if your worried about saturated fats then stick to olive oil, nuts, egg yolks, etc. but really it shouldnt be a problem. it is not a diet where you can eat uinlimited calories and you dont eat super fatty foods like bacon very often and when you do its only in small amounts.
The anabolic diet makes no sense. The only reason why it "works" is because all those calories from all the fat you're eating puts your muscles in a positive notrogen balance. That's it. But a diet that emphasizes high calories through lots of carbohydrates would work even better for the reasons I explained in my previous post without the potential for developing brain damage from hypoglycemia you get in the "anabolic diet".
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been 3 days with no carbs and i want to die.
it's taken everything i have not to take the bag of cornbread leftover from boston market and eat all 8 pieces. this despite eating around 3000 calories and no fatty food is off limits.
how the hell am i supposed to go 12 days to kick this shit off?
workouts suck ass too.. i just wanna sleep all the time and eat cake and ice cream... boo hoo hoo :'(
The anabolic diet is retarded. Eventually you will feel better as your brain starts using ketones as fuel. In the mean time, you are feeling like shit because your brain is hypoglycemic as there is little glucose available and your brain still hasn't learned how to use ketones from fat as fuel. While your body switches, there is potential for brain damage. The anabolic diet is terrible.
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I’ve got to agree with Suck.
I’ve done the very low carb/high fat diet before, and while it’s fast and very effective for losing fat, I personally did not gain much new lean tissue while on it.
Adding the consumption of fast-acting carbs during my workouts corrected that.
I suspect that a lot of people who try the “anabolic diet” mistakenly believe they’re building new muscle because, while shedding fat, the muscle they already have becomes more visible and defined.
Many of us have heard the stories of the 60’s warriors living on the heavy cream & raw egg shakes, and the success they enjoyed.
Don’t forget, though: a lot of those guys were - at the very least - dabbling with pharmaceutical grade anabolics that were yet in their infancy.
Guys like Freddie Ortiz & Larry Scott still kayfabe it, but others like Bill March are an open-book when it comes to John Ziegler, Dianabol use, dosages, and who was using.
That’s reality.
Even Charles Poliquin, who advocates fats over carbs, insists that high-glycemic carbs are crucial following intense training.
And, if you’re already as lean as you want to be, most/average people should have no problem consuming a total of 200-250 g of carbs from good sources throughout the day, while maintaining their current condition.
I always encourage people to experiment and find what works best for them, but be honest in assessing the results and understand what is happening and why.
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theres no risk of hypoglycemia in a healthy individual if they are eating sufficient protein.
very low/no carb diets are extremely safe, in fact healthier than high carb diets.
vegetables should be eatin, they do not count as carbohydrates.
as i mentioned in my earlier post, you dont have to go zero carb for the diet to work, and you would benefit from adding some around your workouts. otherwise, the diet works awesome..
if your a natural trainer, this is the only way to eat, unless your one of those guys who cant eat everything and not put on fat. then add carbs in with the fats, but dont remove the fats.
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Good post tbomb
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theres no risk of hypoglycemia in a healthy individual if they are eating sufficient protein.
very low/no carb diets are extremely safe, in fact healthier than high carb diets.
vegetables should be eatin, they do not count as carbohydrates.
as i mentioned in my earlier post, you dont have to go zero carb for the diet to work, and you would benefit from adding some around your workouts. otherwise, the diet works awesome..
if your a natural trainer, this is the only way to eat, unless your one of those guys who cant eat everything and not put on fat. then add carbs in with the fats, but dont remove the fats.
Your knowledge of physiology as well as biochemistry leaves a lot to be desired. There is no hypoglycemia if you eat enough protein? Oh, really? Protein is even more problematic than fat as an energy source. Protein has to be converted into glucose in the liver by a process called gluconeogenesis, which is extremely ineffective and puts an enormous drain on the body's resource capacity. This is the reason why when you cut carbs your brain switches to ketones as it's energy source instead of continuing to get glucose from protein conversion in the liver. Turning protein into glucose is so metabolically expensive and ineffective that the body simply cannot furnish enough glucose for the brain by turning protein into glucose so it switches to ketones.
And how are diets full of saturated fats healthier than high carbs diet? Saturated fats increase the output of LDL cholesterol in the liver whilst inhibiting the cytochrome 450 enzymes which metabolize it, increasing your risk of artherosclerosis. Very high levels of glucose do foster the formations of triglycerides which contibute to artherosclerosis, but the effect is much milder than that saturated fats do, and I am not recommending carbs that boost insulin but low glycemic carbs like brown rice, cream of wheat and yams. You can be absolutely, positively sure: a diet rich in brown rice and cream of wheat with little saturated fats is a lot healthier than a diet rich in bacon and eggs with little carbs. Your statement that a diet rich in saturated fatty acids is healthier than a diet with lots of low glycemic carbs is simply absurd. It doesen't even deserve an answer. You know nothing, dude.
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Good post tbomb
He has no idea what he's talking about.
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Your knowledge of physiology as well as biochemistry leaves a lot to be desired. There is no hypoglycemia if you eat enough protein? Oh, really? Protein is even more problematic than fat as an energy source. Protein has to be converted into glucose in the liver by a process called gluconeogenesis, which is extremely ineffective and puts an enormous drain on the body's resource capacity. This is the reason why when you cut carbs your brain switches to ketones as it's energy source instead of continuing to get glucose from protein conversion in the liver. Turning protein into glucose is so metabolically expensive and ineffective that the body simply cannot furnish enough glucose for the brain by turning protein into glucose so it switches to ketones. You know nothing, dude.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
yes, protein can be and is converted to glucose. thus, no hypoglycemia when eating sufficient protein. :D
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yes, protein can be and is converted to glucose. thus, no hypoglycemia when eating sufficient protein. :D
I repeat: the process is extremely metabolically inefficient. This is why the brain uses ketones from fat and not glucose from protein gluconeogenesis as it's energy source when you cut out carbs. Why does this happen? Answer: because protein cannot be converted into glucose fast enough to supply the body's energy needs, putting it into a state of hypoglycemia. People on very low carbs diets are always slightly hypoglycemic.
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Your knowledge of physiology as well as biochemistry leaves a lot to be desired. There is no hypoglycemia if you eat enough protein? Oh, really? Protein is even more problematic than fat as an energy source. Protein has to be converted into glucose in the liver by a process called gluconeogenesis, which is extremely ineffective and puts an enormous drain on the body's resource capacity. This is the reason why when you cut carbs your brain switches to ketones as it's energy source instead of continuing to get glucose from protein conversion in the liver. Turning protein into glucose is so metabolically expensive and ineffective that the body simply cannot furnish enough glucose for the brain by turning protein into glucose so it switches to ketones.
And how are diets full of saturated fats healthier than high carbs diet? Saturated fats increase the output of LDL cholesterol in the liver whilst inhibiting the cytochrome 450 enzymes which metabolize it, increasing your risk of artherosclerosis. Very high levels of glucose do foster the formations of triglycerides which contibute to artherosclerosis, but the effect is much milder than that saturated fats do, and I am not recommending carbs that boost insulin but low glycemic carbs like brown rice, cream of wheat and yams. You can be absolutely, positively sure: a diet rich in brown rice and cream of wheat with little saturated fats is a lot healthier than a diet rich in bacon and eggs with little carbs. Your statement that a diet rich in saturated fatty acids is healthier than a diet with lots of low glycemic carbs is simply absurd. It doesen't even deserve an answer. You know nothing, dude.
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two questions-
first, if it is so ineffecient for the body to convert protein into usable energy than why is it so easy to lose muscle mass during intense cardio training regimens, inadequate protein intake, or after relatively short periods without strength training? i have heard that the body can begin breaking down muscles for energy within 3-5 days if not continually stimulated.
also, is regards to cholesterol and high saturated fat intake.. i've seen studies showing that native african tribes, who's only diet consists of beef, cows blood, cornmeal, and milk, have almost no cholesterol or plaque buildup in thier cardiovascular systems. so why is a diet high in starch and low in fats healthier than the opposite? aren't bbers simply adapting a modified anabolic diet during contest prep?
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Haha! Yes, good to see that this thread is still going! I still stand by this diet, I got good results from this diet, and I continue to incorporate this diet at certain times of the year.
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I repeat: the process is extremely metabolically inefficient. This is why the brain uses ketones from fat and not glucose from protein gluconeogenesis as it's energy source when you cut out carbs. Why does this happen? Answer: because protein cannot be converted into glucose fast enough to supply the body's energy needs, putting it into a state of hypoglycemia. People on very low carbs diets are always slightly hypoglycemic.
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your bodies glucose demand is dependant on its glucose intake. eat less carbs=body uses less carbs. its that simple. hypoglycemia doesnt occur when adequate protien is eaten. plain and simple.
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two questions-
Sure.
first, if it is so ineffecient for the body to convert protein into usable energy than why is it so easy to lose muscle mass during intense cardio training regimens, inadequate protein intake, or after relatively short periods without strength training?
Because protein is necessary for tissue maintenance, so if you stop eating protein your muscles will shrink. It has nothing to do with protein being converted into energy or not. If you eat tons of carbs but no protein, you will lose muscle because even though your body will use the carbs for energy and not the muscle tissue, the tissue is being continuously weared out by reactive oxygen species and teared from muscular contractions, and without protein to replace th teared protein muscle tissue it shrinks.
As for aerobic exercise, it causes muscle waste not because of the muscles being used for energy as the glycogen runs out, but because aerobic exercise boosts epinephrine and glucocorticoid plasma levels, like cortisol, and these hormones tear away muscle tissue to be converted into sugar in the liver whilst sparing fat tissue.
i have heard that the body can begin breaking down muscles for energy within 3-5 days if not continually stimulated.
No, muscle tissue is ordinarilly not used as an energy source unless you are severely restricting calories and carbs. The reason why your muscle start atrophying after 10-15 days(not 3-5) if you don't exercise them is because the body realizes that big muscles are not needed anymore so it shrinks them. Big muscles are calorically costly to maintain, so the body only keeps them around if really needed. The body was designed to surivive in a primitive environment where calories are hard to come by, and since muscles demand a lot of calories to be maintained, the body is always trying to have as little as necessary to spare calories for the reallyn important organ, the brain.
also, is regards to cholesterol and high saturated fat intake.. i've seen studies showing that native african tribes, who's only diet consists of beef, cows blood, cornmeal, and milk, have almost no cholesterol or plaque buildup in thier cardiovascular systems. so why is a diet high in starch and low in fats healthier than the opposite? aren't bbers simply adapting a modified anabolic diet during contest prep?
Correlation does not equate causation. The explanation for this is very simple: they have very active lifestyles and since they eat little carbs, all the fat is used for energy instead of being deposited in the artery walls. Ask yourself the following question: why do the Eskimos, who have diest rich in saturated fats with no carbs, have much higher rates of artherosclerosis than the Okinawans who eat very little saturated fats and a lot more carbs? I do not deny that a diet rich in saturated fats and simple carbs, like the American diet, is even worst for the heart than a diet rich in saturated fats and poor in carbs, but this does not mean that saturated fats are good for your heat. All the evidence points out it is very deleterious for the heart.
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your bodies glucose demand is dependant on its glucose intake. eat less carbs=body uses less carbs. its that simple. hypoglycemia doesnt occur when adequate protien is eaten. plain and simple.
No, protein cannot be converted into glucose fast enough to supply the body's energy need, which is the reason why the body switches to ketones when you cut out carbs. This simple fact proves everything you wrote wrong.
You = lost the argument.
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the body doesnt "switch to ketones". the brain does. do you even know what ketones are? they are by products of fatty acid metabolism. when you cut carbs and eat protein, insulin drops and glucagon spikes, which transitions the body from glucose metabolism to fat metabolism. as i said in my last post, glucose demand is dependant on glucose intake. hypoglycemia doesnt occur when sufficient protein is taken in. fact. go read a diabetes journal idiot
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Sure.
Because protein is necessary for tissue maintenance, so if you stop eating protein your muscles will shrink. It has nothing to do with protein being converted into energy or not. If you eat tons of carbs but no protein, you will lose muscle because even though your body will use the carbs for energy and not the muscle tissue, the tissue is being continuously weared out by reactive oxygen species and teared from muscular contractions, and without protein to replace th teared protein muscle tissue it shrinks.
As for aerobic exercise, it causes muscle waste not because of the muscles being used for energy as the glycogen runs out, but because aerobic exercise boosts epinephrine and glucocorticoid plasma levels, like cortisol, and these hormones tear away muscle tissue to be converted into sugar in the liver whilst sparing fat tissue.
No, muscle tissue is ordinarilly not used as an energy source unless you are severely restricting calories and carbs. The reason why your muscle start atrophying after 10-15 days(not 3-5) if you don't exercise them is because the body realizes that big muscles are not needed anymore so it shrinks them. Big muscles are calorically costly to maintain, so the body only keeps them around if really needed. The body was designed to surivive in a primitive environment where calories are hard to come by, and since muscles demand a lot of calories to be maintained, the body is always trying to have as little as necessary to spare calories for the reallyn important organ, the brain.
Correlation does not equate causation. The explanation for this is very simple: they have very active lifestyles and since they eat little carbs, all the fat is used for energy instead of being deposited in the artery walls. Ask yourself the following question: why do the Eskimos, who have diest rich in saturated fats with no carbs, have much higher rates of artherosclerosis than the Okinawans who eat very little saturated fats and a lot more carbs? I do not deny that a diet rich in saturated fats and simple carbs, like the American diet, is even worst for the heart than a diet rich in saturated fats and poor in carbs, but this does not mean that saturated fats are good for your heat. All the evidence points out it is very deleterious for the heart.
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wow. thanks
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the body doesnt "switch to ketones". the brain does. do you even know what ketones are? they are by products of fatty acid metabolism. when you cut carbs and eat protein, insulin drops and glucagon spikes, which transitions the body from glucose metabolism to fat metabolism. as i said in my last post, glucose demand is dependant on glucose intake. hypoglycemia doesnt occur when sufficient protein is taken in. fact. go read a diabetes journal idiot
Ok, I am giving you a warning for the insult. Three strikes and you are out.
The fact that the brain switches to ketones indicates that, when you cut out carbs, protein cannot be converted into glucose fast enough to supply the brain's need. This is simple logic. What does this mean? That you are hypoglycemic, hence the brain needs an alternative enrgy source to supply it's needs.
And no shit the brain switches from glucose to fatty acids as it's energy source, Einstein. Thank you for proving my point. And glucose demand is dependent on glucose intake? This is completely redundant. The bottom line is that you are hypoglycemic when you stop eating carbs which is why you feel dull on very low carb diets before your brain effectively starts getting ketones. The dullness that you get in the first few days of a very low carb diet is the result of low blood sugar levels. Duh. Not enough glucose on your bloodstream, hence you get dull. It's not my fault you can't understand something so simple. :-\
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wow. thanks
Np, man. I am here to help the best I can.
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Ok, I am giving you a warning for the insult. Three strikes and you are out.
The fact that the brain switches to ketones indicates that, when you cut out carbs, protein cannot be converted into glucose fast enough to supply the brain's need. This is simple logic. What does this mean? That you are hypoglycemic, hence the brain needs an alternative enrgy source to supply it's needs.
And no shit the brain switches from glucose to fatty acids as it's energy source, Einstein. Thank you for proving my point. And glucose demand is dependent on glucose intake? This is completely redundant. The bottom line is that you are hypoglycemic when you stop eating carbs which is why you feel dull on very low carb diets before your brain effectively starts getting ketones. The dullness that you get in the first few days of a very low carb diet is the result of low blood sugar levels. Duh. Not enough glucose on your bloodstream, hence you get dull. It's not my fault you can't understand something so simple. :-\
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LMAO hypoglycemia refers to glucose density in the blood. it has nothing to do with what kind of energy the brain is using. hypoglycemia doesnt occur in healthy individuals who eat enough protien. fact.
btw, if you cant handle insults, then dont use them yourself. hypocrit ;)
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LMAO hypoglycemia refers to glucose density in the blood. it has nothing to do with what kind of energy the brain is using. hypoglycemia doesnt occur in healthy individuals who eat enough protien. fact.
"Sigh". "LMAO" my ass. The brain is hypoglycemic(low sugar) hence it switches to ketones for energy. The fact that it switches to ketones indicates that the body cannot transform fats and proteins into glucose in amounts necessary to furnish the brain's energy needs with glucose. What does this mean? That you are hypoglycemic under a very low carb diet otherwise your body wouldn't use another energy substrate to complement it's energy needs. Yes, it makes glucose via gluconeogenesis in the liver but it is not enough to provide for the body's needs hence it also uses ketones.(hypoglycemia) Seriously, why is this so hard for you understand ??? :-\
btw, if you cant handle insults, then dont use them yourself. hypocrit ;)
When have I insulted you? Point it out. I sarcastically called you "Einstein" because the things you say strike me as illogical and nonsensical, but I only did it after you called me "idiot" which is much worst.
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havent had carbs in around 5 days now....starting to get body cramps....
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i cheated today and had a bagel w/cream cheese cuz they were giving them away at work. also had a swig of ginger ale after shoveling snow. i figure no harm since i prolly used them all in digging out from this blizzard!
back to zero carbs now.
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Suck...great info....T-Bombz I see your side too. I definitely see there maybe some cons to this very low carb diet but I truly think the pros outweigh them. Realistically i don't think it would be the healthiest diet regimen to be on for a long period of time, but if followed correctly I would bet it is healthier than what the average fat and out of shape American eats day in & out year after year. My goal was to get on it and stick to it religiously for 4-5 weeks and see what happens. I've been training for enough years to know if it starts negatively affecting my muscle size or strength. I can honestly say the 2 weeks I have been on it I have had some incredible workouts. The only downside I've consistently felt is the need for a nap about 7pm. I have a nice 6 pack under just a little bit more bf% than I would like. I absolutely hate cardio so I thought I would try and burn some fat thru a hardcore diet. I am def feeling and looking a little leaner 12 days in we'll see what shakes out. Like everything else, it will be a different result for everybody depending on age, genetics, and metabolism.
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Suck...great info....T-Bombz I see your side too. I definitely see there maybe some cons to this very low carb diet but I truly think the pros outweigh them. Realistically i don't think it would be the healthiest diet regimen to be on for a long period of time, but if followed correctly I would bet it is healthier than what the average fat and out of shape American eats day in & out year after year. My goal was to get on it and stick to it religiously for 4-5 weeks and see what happens. I've been training for enough years to know if it starts negatively affecting my muscle size or strength. I can honestly say the 2 weeks I have been on it I have had some incredible workouts. The only downside I've consistently felt is the need for a nap about 7pm. I have a nice 6 pack under just a little bit more bf% than I would like. I absolutely hate cardio so I thought I would try and burn some fat thru a hardcore diet. I am def feeling and looking a little leaner 12 days in we'll see what shakes out. Like everything else, it will be a different result for everybody depending on age, genetics, and metabolism.
The Anabolic Diet makes no sense. No one has ever provided any evidence that it provides more growth than a diet with an equal number of calories with more carbohydrates. In fact, I suspect that a diet with an equal number of calories but a lot more carbs and less fat would work much better as less muscle would be catabolized during training and to provide the body with energy. Carbs not only spare protein tissue, but they hydrate muscles which stimulated protein synthesis.
But it doesen't matter. As most of the posts in this thread show, most people go by anecdotal evidence, innuendo, fashion and believe in half-truths and blanket statements rather than scientific evidence and logic. Hence, me trying to convince them that this diet is simply illogical and that there is no evidence that it provides more growth than any other diet with an equal number of calories is redundant.
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hypoglycemia has nothing to do with what kind of energy your body is using, whether or not your mscules or brain is using carbs of fats. the brain switches after several days of low carbs, not the first day. it is not in response to low levels of blood suagr, its in reponse to several days of high fatty acid metabolism which causes a rise in ketones.
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hypoglycemia has nothing to do with what kind of energy your body is using, whether or not your mscules or brain is using carbs of fats. the brain switches after several days of low carbs, not the first day. it is not in response to low levels of blood suagr, its in reponse to several days of high fatty acid metabolism which causes a rise in ketones.
This statement makes no sense and is illogical. Of course it has. If the brain is not getting enough glucose(hypoglycemia) and has no way of raising glucose level to a level that is adequate to supply the body's needs , then it must switch to an alternate source of energy. This is simple deductive logic.
And the body switches to ketones because it is acidic? Oh, really? Then why doesen't it switch to ketones when you are eating lots of protein and carbs? After all, protein metabolism generates a lot of acidic byproducts that leaves the body in an acidic state. And ketones are a byproduct of fat metabolization, and not protein metabolization. Ketones in the bloodstream have nothing to do with the body being in an acidic state. If you eat a zero carb diet but eat lots of vegetables to alkalinize your body, you will still get ketones in your bloodstream. Conclusion: ketones rise in response to low blood sugar levels. This is simple logic.
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This statement makes no sense and is illogical. Of course it has. If the brain is not getting enough glucose(hypoglycemia) and has no way of raising glucose level to a level that is adequate to supply the body's needs , then it must switch to an alternate source of energy. This is simple deductive logic.
And the body switches to ketones because it is acidic? Oh, really? Then why doesen't it switch to ketones when you are eating lots of protein and carbs? After all, protein metabolism generates a lot of acidic byproducts that leaves the body in an acidic state. And ketones are a byproduct of fat metabolization, and not protein metabolization. Ketones in the bloodstream have nothing to do with the body being in an acidic state. If you eat a zero carb diet but eat lots of vegetables to alkalinize your body, you will still get ketones in your bloodstream. Conclusion: ketones rise in response to low blood sugar levels. This is simple logic.
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again, hypoglycemia is a term for low blood sugar. it is not a term describing what kind of fuel source the body or brain is using. you can be hypoglycemic but using mostly glucose for fuel if you have decent glycogen levels.
just because a persons brain starts to use ketones, does not mean the person is hypoglycemic. if that was the case, then everyone on a keto diet would be walking aorund with hypoglycemia all day making it impossible for them to function. this is not the case.
where the fuck did i say anything at all about acidity or PH ? your the worst attempt at intelligence ive ever seen
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again, hypoglycemia is a term for low blood sugar. it is not a term describing what kind of fuel source the body or brain is using.
Why do you keep repeating this shit over and over again? Yes, hypoglycemia is a term of low blood sugar levels. Duh! Why the fuck do you keep repeating this all the time? I am not questioning this. In fact, I keep pointing this out to you. If the body is hypoglycemic, it is not betting enough glucose or converting proteins and fats into glucose fast enough to supply the body's energy needs.
you can be hypoglycemic but using mostly glucose for fuel if you have decent glycogen levels.
This is irrelevant and simply not true. It doesen't change the fact that, when you are hypoglycemic, the body will start using alternate energy sources besides glucose for fuel. This is simple logic. If you cut out carbs, your body will first use the glycogen stores in the liver since glycogen can be converted into glucose much faster and easier than fats and protein. Glycogen can be converted into glucose fast enough to supply the body's enery needs, so no you won't be hypoclycemic until the body runs out of glycogen. Once that runs out, it will start converting fats and proteins into glucose as fast as it can, but since it can convert fast enough to supply the body's energy needs, it starts using fatty acids directly as well to supplement what the body needs. So you are wrong. As usual.
just because a persons brain starts to use ketones, does not mean the person is hypoglycemic.
Yes, it does!
if that was the case, then everyone on a keto diet would be walking aorund with hypoglycemia all day making it impossible for them to function. this is not the case.
Again, they are hypoglyemic but after about a week or two the brain adapts to using ketones and it can use ketones as fast as glucose, so brain function resumes as normal. But for the first two weeks, people on ketogenic diets are always drowsy and confused. Why? Because the body cannot convert fats and protein into glucose fast enough to supply the brain's energy needs, so it starts using a complementary energy source since the glucose is low. That fact that the glucose is low is why the body starts using fatty acids as well. If it weren't low, it wouldn't need to since there would be enough glucose available. Why can't you understand this? :-\
where the fuck did i say anything at all about acidity or PH ? your the worst attempt at intelligence ive ever seen
That's strike two. More one and you are out. I recall you stating that the body using ketones has not to do with it being hypoglycemic but with it being in an acidic state. I think you edited your post, but I can't prove that. In any case, the body switching to ketones has nothing to do with it being in acidic state, otherwise people eating lots of proteins and grains, which put the body in an acidic state, would also be using ketones for energy and they don't. The body having acidic metabolism has nothing to do with it using ketones. It switches to ketones because there is no glucose around.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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hypoglycemia has nothing to do with what kind of energy your body is using, whether or not your mscules or brain is using carbs of fats. the brain switches after several days of low carbs, not the first day. it is not in response to low levels of blood suagr, its in reponse to several days of high fatty acid metabolism which causes a rise in ketones.
Oh, and by the way, this is simply not true. The body would keep using glucose as fuel no matter how much fat you ate as long as you kept eating carbohydrates because it prefers carbs over any other energy source. The fat would be simply stored as bodyfat and the carbs would be used for fuel. The toxic aldehydes from fat metabolism would be eliminated just like the urea and ammonia from protein metabolism are eliminated and that's it. So I have come to the conclusion that you truly have no idea what you're talking about. :)
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12 days.. DONE!!!!
i just stuffed myself on waffles w/syrup, a big bowl of frosted mini-wheats, a ton of skim milk, a couple oreos, and a big glass of red wine.
since it is mid-week ill stop carbs again until the weekend then start the 5 days off and 2 days of carbs on the weekends. i will also be doing the midweek carb ups so my workouts wont completely suck.
i lost about ten lbs so far but im not sure how much is water... maybe half?