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Oh really Barry.....He must of ment we kill more muslims then anybody else..thus doing everybody a favor.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/06/03/barack_hussein_obama_us_one_of_the_largest_muslim_countries_in_the_world
UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama's claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world's total and less than at least 23 other countries.
The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it's not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.
But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world - behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, guy, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.
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Oh really Barry.....He must of ment we kill more muslims then anybody else..thus doing everybody a favor.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/06/03/barack_hussein_obama_us_one_of_the_largest_muslim_countries_in_the_world
UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama's claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world's total and less than at least 23 other countries.
The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it's not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.
But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world - behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, guy, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.
Dont blame him, he does not know basic math. The TOTUS told him to say this.
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Repairing some US relations throughout the world is a noble persuit but it seems Obama is going out of his way to appease and identify with muslim countries.
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How? By acknowledging that America has a sizable Muslim population?
The 34 countries listed in HH6's link are mostly PREDOMINANTLY Muslim countries . The US has a larger Muslim population than countries like France and the UK, in which the Muslim population is considered a major issue. On top of that, America is not as easily accessible as countries on the European continent, yet still manages to in the top 25% of countries in relation to Muslim population size.
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Thats just another small example. He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc. He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been. These are just the things I remember off hand.
Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims. Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S. I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.
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Thats just another small example. He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc. He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been. These are just the things I remember off hand.
Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims. Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S. I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.
I honestly think he is trying to do the right thing here. however, I dont trhink he realizes that worked on the streets of Chicago is not the same thing as the ME.
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I agree. I think he has the best intentions. Trying to boost relations with muslim nations is a big priority of this president. Improving relations is good, giving muslim countries a more open dialogue with the US is good. As you know, I think the war in Iraq was a mistake. Trying to reach younger muslims is a worthy persuit.
I do not agree with the degree which he praises muslim nations, islamic religion & culture and tries to identify with them. Thats where I think he goes too far.
Freedom of religion is important but frankly, islamic religion and many aspects of islamic culture are quite backward. And for people that respect women's rights, muslims are typically far behind.
The soldiers I spoke with who were in Iraq and Afghanastan said it seemed most of the people were living in the past.
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I honestly think he is trying to do the right thing here. however, I dont trhink he realizes that worked on the streets of Chicago is not the same thing as the ME.
Yeah, at some point the reality of just how hateful these religious nut jobs can be will surface. But not everyone there are religious nut jobs, so it's probably not a waste.
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Thats just another small example. He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc. He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been. These are just the things I remember off hand.
Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims. Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S. I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.
The President, regardless of who he or she is, must multi-task. There will always be issues going on in America. We can't expect the Prez to ignore the rest of the world because of that.
I don't think it's such a bad thing to establish mutual respect between the two cultures. The extremist contingent of Muslims isn't going away anytime soon and you can only launch so many wars and security measures. Like it or not, there are certain instances when diplomacy is needed. The notion of not looking like a paper tiger may work as an ideology, but in practice it has only fueled extremist movements.
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Oh really Barry BOSS....He must of ment we kill more muslims then anybody else..thus doing everybody a favor.
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Mr Socialist HH6 should RESPECT his black bossman.
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the problem here is that regular good muslims don't hate everyone. The problem is improving relations with radical muslims that will never ease up on the hatred to the US. Therefore all he is doing is portraying us as an apologetic nation on verge of defeat and giving the radicals the idea that the US is getting weak and asking for mercy.
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Mr Socialist HH6 should RESPECT his black bossman.
Socialist HH6 Gov. Healthcare- check!
Socialist Gov. Paycheck - check!
Socialist Gov. Pension -check!
Socialist Gov. College tuition-check!
Socialist Gov. housing- check!
Socialist Gov. food - check!
You should find a counselor. You seem to be stalking and are obsessed with HH6.
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the problem here is that regular good muslims don't hate everyone. The problem is improving relations with radical muslims that will never ease up on the hatred to the US. Therefore all he is doing is portraying us as an apologetic nation on verge of defeat and giving the radicals the idea that the US is getting weak and asking for mercy.
I disagree. Radical Muslims are made not born. America's might is not in doubt. Extremist elements have no expectations of actually beating. America taking a less aggressive, more diplomatic stance can help to slow the swelling of extremist ranks.
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I disagree. Radical Muslims are made not born. America's might is not in doubt. Extremist elements have no expectations of actually beating. America taking a less aggressive, more diplomatic stance can help to slow the swelling of extremist ranks.
Not to mention better relations with countries will (hopefully) make them a lot more aggressive in fighting terrorist elements.
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I disagree. Radical Muslims are made not born. America's might is not in doubt. Extremist elements have no expectations of actually beating. America taking a less aggressive, more diplomatic stance can help to slow the swelling of extremist ranks.
Yes, because negotiation is always the way to go when dealing with murderers.
"Mr. Terrorist, if you promise not to kill those school girls today for the crime of being female and going to school, we won't bomb your house..."
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Yes, because negotiation is always the way to go when dealing with murderers.
"Mr. Terrorist, if you promise not to kill those school girls today for the crime of being female and going to school, we won't bomb your house..."
I think you misunderstood my post.
I'm not talking about negotiating with terrorists. I'm talking about not making it so easy to recruit terrorists from your run-of-the-mill Muslim population.
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I am all for diplomacy...that is one of the best things to come from Obama, a promise of diplomacy first and aggression as a last resort. Perception is so important. We need to be perceived as a nation that doesn't bully others but will not tolerate inappropriate aggression or atrocities. To be both respected and feared.
I suppose the key is to try and reach younger muslims so they can try to change their own countries from the inside, to separate radical from peaceful muslims and force these countries to help deal with their own criminals. One of the problems is that anti-American and anti-Jewish teachings run deep in more muslim teachings than many of us realize.
Still, I think Obama could improve relations without praising their culture and religion, which has a lot of problems (even with non-radicals). Some muslim leaders really do not want peace. Not everyone in this world has the innate capacity for good.
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Something else that troubles many Westerners...muslims are very resistant to assimilation. Much more resistant than past groups of immigrants. Many seem to want to force us to respect their laws and force their traditions and customs upon us. Imagine westerners went to the middle east and did that. I'm also surprised we don't hear more criticizm of their treatment of women.
I think there would be a more positive perception in the US of muslims if more blended better and wanted to be a part our our traditions and culture. Many do not seem to be as open minded as other peoples.
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Something else that troubles many Westerners...muslims are very resistant to assimilation. Much more resistant than past groups of immigrants. Many seem to want to force us to respect their laws and force their traditions and customs upon us. Imagine westerners went to the middle east and did that. I'm also surprised we don't hear more criticizm of their treatment of women.
I think there would be a more positive perception in the US of muslims if more blended better and wanted to be a part our our traditions and culture. Many do not seem to be as open minded as other peoples.
That's more of a problem overseas. It's not really a big problem in the US.
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I completely listened to this... I heard his statement... The context was simply that we have a large Muslim population in the US and do not prejudice against the religion what so ever.
Mons is right too... HH6's entire existence is due to a social program that you call the US military.
Yes, because negotiation is always the way to go when dealing with murderers.
"Mr. Terrorist, if you promise not to kill those school girls today for the crime of being female and going to school, we won't bomb your house..."
Worked for Reagan.
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I completely listened to this... I heard his statement... The context was simply that we have a large Muslim population in the US and do not prejudice against the religion what so ever.
Mons is right too... HH6's entire existence is due to a social program that you call the US military.
Worked for Reagan.
You know what, so is yours.
Without the HH6 of the world, we would be a huge pinata.
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You know what, so is yours.
Without the HH6 of the world, we would be a huge pinata.
I won't disagree, but I'm not the one running around talking about the evil of social programs, am I?
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Thats just another small example. He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home), bowed to the king, and more importantly his speeches talk about the richness of and having deep respect for the islamic culture & religion, appologized for past US mistakes in dealing with Iran during his last trip, and said that islam has had a profound effect on the US culture, etc. He is also more careful in his public support of israel than past presidents have been. These are just the things I remember off hand.
Ya so?!!! What's your point? the last POTUS kissed a Saudi King on the lips for cripes sakes!
Taken as a whole, it seems like he is really going out of his way to show respect and appease muslims. Most Americans don't have the same admiration of islamic culture & religion and don't see it having a significant (or positive) effect on the U.S. I think this is more of his belief based on his upbringing and having muslim family members rather than representative of the U.S. people.
Get a clue people!!! It's called "DIPLOMACY"!!!
Maybe if your last POTUS had an ounce of it, you wouldn't be in this mess!
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Repairing some US relations throughout the world is a noble persuit but it seems Obama is going out of his way to appease and identify with muslim countries.
Are you implying that bowing down and being 2 inch from king of Saudi dick isn't good for the US? ;D
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Ya so?!!! What's your point? the last POTUS kissed a Saudi King on the lips for cripes sakes!
Get a clue people!!! It's called "DIPLOMACY"!!!
Maybe if your last POTUS had an ounce of it, you wouldn't be in this mess!
That was an embarasing episode in American History and I blasted GWB for that disgrace. no American should ever bow down to these tyrants.
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Are you implying that bowing down and being 2 inch from king of Saudi dick isn't good for the US? ;D
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Thanks 240 - my lunch just came out.
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Looks photoshoped, anyway, it doesn't matter, kissing on the cheek is an Arab tradition for respect and love, if they accidentally bumped than fine.Not only that, but who cares, GWB is gone we're talking about Obama now.
Obama BOWED DOWN, you bow down to show your allegiance and that you acknowledge someone else's power on you.....so..Obama is his bitch!
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Looks photoshoped
O RLY?
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O RLY?
Jerkoff also held his hand a few times. Very finnochio if you ask me.
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O RLY?
Why do you live in the past? The man you voted for bowed down to him....you have yet to comment on that.
Let me guess...you're gonna get owned again...get crazy and meltdown by spamming with CT youtube videos ::)
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Obama BOWED DOWN, you bow down to show your allegiance and that you acknowledge someone else's power on you.....so..Obama is his bitch!
No, you bow to acknowledge respect... That's why it happens in Japan constantly.
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The bow is the least important (same as the kiss)...its odd but only when viewed in the whole context.
It may be more of an issue overseas but we certainly have to keep it from being a big issue here.
In Japan, both people bow in a sign of mutual respect.
Not that it matters much, but didn't Bush kiss him on the cheek? That pic above has him planting one right on the lips... :-X
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Thats just another small example. He's taken 2 big trips to the middle east already (while we are in an economic crisis at home),
obama taking a trip while country is in economic crisis > bush spending billions of dollars on an illegal war while breaking the record for vacation days taken and sinking the country into an economic crisis
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Oh, the $ wasted on the war is a f'n disgrace. We have to stop this tit for tat between parties in this country. If something is done well, praise it, if done poorly (or wasteful), condemn it.
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The bow is the least important (same as the kiss)...its odd but only when viewed in the whole context.
It may be more of an issue overseas but we certainly have to keep it from being a big issue here.
In Japan, both people bow in a sign of mutual respect.
Not that it matters much, but didn't Bush kiss him on the cheek? That pic above has him planting one right on the lips... :-X
Actually, no... You kiss on the lips in Muslim countries as well.
I don't think it's that big a deal... kiss... hand holding... bowing... It's all crap.
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There's something else here and nobody is seeing it. Palestinian ass kissing, muslim ass kissing, trying to look like a fellow muslim country. This is about more than mending relations. I really don't believe the soured Israeli/US relations... That crap is so LOL. It comes across as so contrived it isn't funny. The media playing it up, getting body language experts etc lol... no no, there's somthing else, another point another purpose. I'm going to guess this is about Iran. To really make an attack against Iran successful and prevent massive repercussions on that scale that could be possible, you would need supporting muslim nations.
This is making me sick, I voted for this.... not that it would have been different with McCain, I still believe it would have been the same shit.
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Mr Socialist HH6 should RESPECT his black bossman.
Socialist HH6 Gov. Healthcare- check!
Socialist Gov. Paycheck - check!
Socialist Gov. Pension -check!
Socialist Gov. College tuition-check!
Socialist Gov. housing- check!
Socialist Gov. food - check!
Says the guy who was kicked out of the military....post ur 214.
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Yes, because negotiation is always the way to go when dealing with murderers.
"Mr. Terrorist, if you promise not to kill those school girls today for the crime of being female and going to school, we won't bomb your house..."
Hahaha, good shit. Kind of like how AQ is crying about us violating the Geneva Conventions while they run around chopping the heads off of anyone captured after torturing them through means of gouging eyes, electrical shocks and things like amputation.
Being one of the few Getbiggers that loves all Muslims and embraces their culture, this is to be expected. There are 1 billion of these rats wonderful individuals out there and whether we like it or not, we need to be on good terms with them.
The US needs to get to the point in our relations where the majority of moderate Muslims side with the west and are willing to fight back against the extremists.
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Oh really Barry.....He must of ment we kill more muslims then anybody else..thus doing everybody a favor.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/06/03/barack_hussein_obama_us_one_of_the_largest_muslim_countries_in_the_world
UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama's claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world's total and less than at least 23 other countries.
The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it's not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.
But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world - behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, guy, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.
The Appeaser in Chief kissing rear end again. What have we done? :-\
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No, you bow to acknowledge respect... That's why it happens in Japan constantly.
In Japan both parties do it, also Saudi isn't Japan nor do Obama Japanese or the king of Saudi and when you bow before a king it have a different meaning.
Please remind me when an American such as yourself bowed (a deep bow like Obama did) to someone?
Again with your hypocrisy....damn man.....go buy a spine.
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Looks photoshoped, anyway, it doesn't matter, kissing on the cheek is an Arab tradition for respect and love, if they accidentally bumped than fine.Not only that, but who cares, GWB is gone we're talking about Obama now.
Photoshopped?! Hahaha Kissing on the cheek? Dude that was a big fat sloppy wet one on the lips!
Obama BOWED DOWN, you bow down to show your allegiance and that you acknowledge someone else's power on you.....so..Obama is his bitch!
How else does one greet a ruling monarch within his or her kingdom (during a time of peace)?
The USA & Saudi Arabia are not in a state of war with each other... at least not yet anyway.
Showing allegiance and an acknowledgement of power over you is correct when done by a subject,
...however bowing to a king is also a sign of respect and adherence to established etiquette & protocol.
First people criticized Michelle Obama for not following royal protocol by touching a Queen,
...but now they criticize Barack Obama for following royal protocol by bowing to a King?
How many of those same people criticized other POTUSes for kneeling infront of, or kissing the Pope's ring during auduiences with the Pope on Vatican visits?
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In Japan both parties do it, also Saudi isn't Japan nor do Obama Japanese or the king of Saudi and when you bow before a king it have a different meaning.
Please remind me when an American such as yourself bowed (a deep bow like Obama did) to someone?
Again with your hypocrisy....damn man.....go buy a spine.
I bowed the last time I was in Japan...
There is nothing hypocritical about it... As I said, I don't care about Bush's stupid hand holding / kissing thing, just like I don't care about Obama bowing.
There's nothing spineless about it... You're just bitching about nothing for no reason.
Much ado about nothing. Same as always.
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No, you bow to acknowledge respect... That's why it happens in Japan constantly.
Oh cripes tell me about it!!!
In 2004 I was in Salt lake City Utah, and a Japanese guy accidently stepped on my foot.
He apologized and bowed, I bowed, he bowed again, I bowed... that fvcker wouldn't stop bowing!
We looked like a couple of those bloody drinking birds. Finally someone came and rescued us from the situation.
(http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/drinking_bird_beak.jpg)
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How else does one greet a ruling monarch within his or her kingdom (during a time of peace)?
The USA & Saudi Arabia are not in a state of war with each other... at least not yet anyway.
Showing allegiance and an acknowledgement of power over you is correct when done by a subject,
...however bowing to a king is also a sign of respect and adherence to established etiquette & protocol.
First people criticized Michelle Obama for not following royal protocol by touching a Queen,
...but now they criticize Barack Obama for following royal protocol by bowing to a King?
How many of those same people criticized other POTUSes for kneeling infront of, or kissing the Pope's ring during auduiences with the Pope on Vatican visits?
All valid points.
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Photoshopped?! Hahaha Kissing on the cheek? Dude that was a big fat sloppy wet one on the lips!
How else does one greet a ruling monarch within his or her kingdom (during a time of peace)?
The USA & Saudi Arabia are not in a state of war with each other... at least not yet anyway.
Showing allegiance and an acknowledgement of power over you is correct when done by a subject,
...however bowing to a king is also a sign of respect and adherence to established etiquette & protocol.
First people criticized Michelle Obama for not following royal protocol by touching a Queen,
...but now they criticize Barack Obama for following royal protocol by bowing to a King?
How many of those same people criticized other POTUSes for kneeling infront of, or kissing the Pope's ring during auduiences with the Pope on Vatican visits?
Well last time that I was at Monaco I haven't seen anyone bowing to Prince Albert.
Besides, Obama is coming as someone with an equivalent (in reality a higher) status, thus no bowing is needed.
And you people talking about Japan is downright retarded...it didn't happen in Japan...and no one that was involved was Japanese....so STFU about Japan...seriously...it have nothing to do with it.
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Well last time that I was at Monaco I haven't seen anyone bowing to Prince Albert.
Besides, Obama is coming as someone with an equivalent (in reality a higher) status, thus no bowing is needed.
Their status is NOT equal. One is a head of state, an elected official who has power only for 4 years ...8 max,
while the other head of state is a king, omnipotent within his realm, who holds power for life!
And you people talking about Japan is downright retarded...it didn't happen in Japan...and no one that was involved was Japanese....so STFU about Japan...seriously...it have nothing to do with it.
Of course you want to leave Japan out of it. With Japan, you can't insert and play off the Islamophobia
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Their status is NOT equal. One is a head of state, an elected official who has power only for 4 years ...8 max,
while the other head of state is a king, omnipotent within his realm, who holds power for life!
Of course you want to leave Japan out of it. With Japan, you can't insert and play off the Islamophobia
How surprising...judging by how you say it...I would guess that you would have bowed...sucked and turned around for him.
Do salute your king picture before you go to sleep?
If we can bring every country and their tradition into it than why can't we look at the traditions of the US, where Obama is from....a country that bowing to someone means you're his bitch.
Let me guess why you ignore that...because Allah and his chosen one Obama told you so ::)
Ok ms 161 IQ ::) ::) ::)
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Their status is NOT equal. One is a head of state, an elected official who has power only for 4 years ...8 max,
while the other head of state is a king, omnipotent within his realm, who holds power for life!
Of course you want to leave Japan out of it. With Japan, you can't insert and play off the Islamophobia
So Obama and American citizens acknowledge he's of a lower status that the king of SA?
In Japan it's mostly courteous with both parties doing it - there's the difference.
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How surprising...judging by how you say it...I would guess that you would have bowed...sucked and turned around for him.
If I were in Saudi Arabia? ...you damned right I would have bowed. I'd probably be covered in a burka too.
I wouldn't want to be in a place like Saudi Arabia with the mentality they have without the protection of a burka.
no I wouldn't have suck and turned around. I'll leave that to guys like you who enjoy doing it so much.
Do salute your king picture before you go to sleep?
Don't have a King yet douche bag. And you don't salute pictures, only people.
If we can bring every country and their tradition into it than why can't we look at the traditions of the US, where Obama is from....a country that bowing to someone means you're his bitch.
I have no problem with that. Let's see if Obama bows to him on US soil.
Let me guess why you ignore that...because Allah and his chosen one Obama told you so ::)
Ok ms 161 IQ ::) ::) ::)
Because they weren't on us oil dipshit.
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So Obama and American citizens acknowledge he's of a lower status that the king of SA?
In Japan it's mostly courteous with both parties doing it - there's the difference.
No democratically elected western head of state can be considered to have equal status to a monarch for life.
Their being political equals is a whole other story. In the context within which it occurred, it can be considered no more than a courteous, diplomatic, observation of protocol. Even King Faud himself would acknowledge that.
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Ya so?!!! What's your point? the last POTUS kissed a Saudi King on the lips for cripes sakes!
Get a clue people!!! It's called "DIPLOMACY"!!!
Maybe if your last POTUS had an ounce of it, you wouldn't be in this mess!
Where I come from, it’s called “@$$-kissing”!!!
Diplomacy is a two-way street. When one sides uses the words “Death to (insert name of country)”, you have no dialogue just acquiesing, as we’ve seen Obama do time and time again.
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Where I come from, it’s called “@$$-kissing”!!!
Where you come from?! YOU WERE SPAWNED IN THE PITS OF HELL!!! >:(
Diplomacy is a two-way street. When one sides uses the words “Death to (insert name of country)”, you have no dialogue just acquiesing, as we’ve seen Obama do time and time again.
I've heard people like HH6 and other wonderful ambassadors of uhmurcan diplomacy say stupid shit like that,
...but when did King Faud of Saudi Arabia say that?
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If we can bring every country and their tradition into it than why can't we look at the traditions of the US, where Obama is from....a country that bowing to someone means you're his bitch.
They weren't in the US though were they?
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Interesting:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071103035529AAzuZ6a
Any truth to this?
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Where you come from?! YOU WERE SPAWNED IN THE PITS OF HELL!!! >:(
Now, what was that you were saying about diplomacy?
I've heard people like HH6 and other wonderful ambassadors of uhmurcan diplomacy say stupid shit like that,
...but when did King Faud of Saudi Arabia say that?
The only thing STUPID around here is the crackpot notion that Olympic-level butt-smooching, on the part of the American president is going to result in peace in the Middle East.
Perhaps, you should invest in some Q-tips and/or some bi-focals. It takes TWO SIDES to have diplomacy, not one.
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They weren't in the US though were they?
They weren't in Japan either and you keep bringing it up.
If Bush and every other world leader that ever met him didn't bow Obama shouldn't have bowed down.
It's not even a part of the Arabic tradition, Bush followed tradition with a kiss on both cheeks and a hug.
Obama is just a bitch.
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They weren't in Japan either and you keep bringing it up.
If Bush and every other world leader that ever met him didn't bow Obama shouldn't have bowed down.
It's not even a part of the Arabic tradition, Bush followed tradition with a kiss on both cheeks and a hug.
Obama is just a bitch.
Rush is destroying ZERO today for equating the holocaust with the palentinian situation.
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They weren't in Japan either and you keep bringing it up.
If Bush and every other world leader that ever met him didn't bow Obama shouldn't have bowed down.
It's not even a part of the Arabic tradition, Bush followed tradition with a kiss on both cheeks and a hug.
Obama is just a bitch.
You're ridiculous.
Much ado about nothing... People are just hating on Obama for no reason, but whatever... He's in charge and running the show... Hate all you want.
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Rush is destroying ZERO today for equating the holocaust with the palentinian situation.
For what?
Um... one side has all of the weapons and can impose their might at will... The other is getting slaughtered and throwing rocks and sticks.
You don't see the comparison?
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For what?
Um... one side has all of the weapons and can impose their might at will... The other is getting slaughtered and throwing rocks and sticks.
You don't see the comparison?
5,000 rockets aren't rocks and sticks.
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5,000 rockets aren't rocks and sticks.
Hezbollah has the rockets bro.
The people living in Gaza don't really have jack... and 5,000 rockets compared to the armament which we've sold to Israel?
You know it's not even remotely close.
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For what?
Um... one side has all of the weapons and can impose their might at will... The other is getting slaughtered and throwing rocks and sticks.
You don't see the comparison?
Israel did not set out to murder 6 million palenstinians.
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Hezbollah has the rockets bro.
The people living in Gaza don't really have jack... and 5,000 rockets compared to the armament which we've sold to Israel?
You know it's not even remotely close.
Who's fault is that? Hamas could stop launching rockets at civilians and go to the bargaining table and make progress. They choose to sacrifice the lives of the Palestinian populace to fight their war.
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Who's fault is that? Hamas could stop launching rockets at civilians and go to the bargaining table and make progress. They choose to sacrifice the lives of the Palestinian populace to fight their war.
Israel isn't interested in going to the table either man... They've pretty much made that clear recently.
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Israel isn't interested in going to the table either man... They've pretty much made that clear recently.
Both sides have. However, I don't see Israel consistently lobbing rockets into civilian hot spots with the sole intent of killing civilians. Unless, of course, you think Hamas is trying to accomplish something else by firing rockets at towns with no military presence or significance.
I find it hard to give a shit about a group of people that used the last fighting as a cover for killing a large number of political opponents in Gaza. ;)
The best solution would be for Egypt to take control of Gaza and for Jordan to take the West Bank. However, because the entire Muslim world despises and wouldn't mind seeing the Palestinians dead, that has zero chance of happening.
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Fuck, tu....just say that you're an antisemitic and be done with it.
You're only embarrassing yourself here with all these ludicrous shit you're spewing.
No wonder you liked Obama bowing to the king so much :-\
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Fuck, tu....just say that you're an antisemitic and be done with it.
You're only embarrassing yourself here with all these ludicrous shit you're spewing.
No wonder you liked Obama bowing to the king so much :-\
Tu isn't an anti-semite. He's never struck me as prejudice towards anyone, blacks, jews, whites, whoever.
He's good people. 8)
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Both sides have. However, I don't see Israel consistently lobbing rockets into civilian hot spots with the sole intent of killing civilians. Unless, of course, you think Hamas is trying to accomplish something else by firing rockets at towns with no military presence or significance.
I find it hard to give a shit about a group of people that used the last fighting as a cover for killing a large number of political opponents in Gaza. ;)
The best solution would be for Egypt to take control of Gaza and for Jordan to take the West Bank. However, because the entire Muslim world despises and wouldn't mind seeing the Palestinians dead, that has zero chance of happening.
You'll get no argument from me dude... The Israeli people don't randomly lob artillery at the Palestinian people on a whim. They show much more control and restraint, I agree... I just don't think either side is doing what it takes to achieve peace because I don't think either side really wants it.
I'm not feeling sorry for them at all... I personally don't like the US being involved in any of that shit and would be perfectly fine if Israel wanted to just roll through and flatten everyone... Just as long as I'm not involved, nor is anyone from the US involved... Let them fight it out.
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Fuck, tu....just say that you're an antisemitic and be done with it.
You're only embarrassing yourself here with all these ludicrous shit you're spewing.
No wonder you liked Obama bowing to the king so much :-\
What a ridiculous unfounded statement to make.
Tu isn't an anti-semite. He's never struck me as prejudice towards anyone, blacks, jews, whites, whoever.
He's good people. 8)
Thanks Nick... You're good people as well.
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Looks photoshoped, anyway, it doesn't matter, kissing on the cheek is an Arab tradition for respect and love, if they accidentally bumped than fine.Not only that, but who cares, GWB is gone we're talking about Obama now.
Obama BOWED DOWN, you bow down to show your allegiance and that you acknowledge someone else's power on you.....so..Obama is his bitch!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha
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You'll get no argument from me dude... The Israeli people don't randomly lob artillery at the Palestinian people on a whim. They show much more control and restraint, I agree... I just don't think either side is doing what it takes to achieve peace because I don't think either side really wants it.
I'm not feeling sorry for them at all... I personally don't like the US being involved in any of that shit and would be perfectly fine if Israel wanted to just roll through and flatten everyone... Just as long as I'm not involved, nor is anyone from the US involved... Let them fight it out.
Actually, I agree with this. Both sides are too thick headed to come to any sort of agreement.
I'm personally tired of hearing about the whole thing.
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Where I come from, it’s called “@$$-kissing”!!!
Diplomacy is a two-way street. When one sides uses the words “Death to (insert name of country)”, you have no dialogue just acquiesing, as we’ve seen Obama do time and time again.
so what does that mean...now obama is gonna give the saudis the missle codes...get a fuckin grip...he bowed..big fucking deal rambo..
fuckin tough guy idiots...obama should have slapped him?
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Interesting:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071103035529AAzuZ6a
Any truth to this?
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Nice pull. I'll grant you that, ...but please bare in mind that Obama's eyes are brown, ...not blue. ;D
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so what does that mean...now obama is gonna give the saudis the missle codes...get a fuckin grip...he bowed..big fucking deal rambo..
fuckin tough guy idiots...obama should have slapped him?
Good idea. Obama should have done a Muay Thai Clinche and kneeded that asshole to the ground!
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Now, what was that you were saying about diplomacy?
The only thing STUPID around here is the crackpot notion that Olympic-level butt-smooching, on the part of the American president is going to result in peace in the Middle East.
Perhaps, you should invest in some Q-tips and/or some bi-focals. It takes TWO SIDES to have diplomacy, not one.
Obama is diplomatic, ...I am not. ;)
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I think Obama's tone was excellent and I think it is better to try to find common ground and show general respect when we can. I still think he is a bit cross the line of respecting islam vs. admiration of islam, which still bothers me.
Did you catch this part though....more money (from CNN commentary):
He talked about his plan "to invest $1.5 billion each year over the next five years to partner with Pakistanis to build schools and hospitals, roads and businesses" to help the countless number of internally displaced persons caught in the fighting in Pakistan. Similarly, for Afghanistan, he outlined that we will be "providing more than $2.8 billion to help Afghans develop their economy and deliver services that people depend upon."
Thats noble but no one in this administration seems to respect the fact that we have no money and are in a recession.
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I think Obama's tone was excellent and I think it is better to try to find common ground and show general respect when we can. I still think he is a bit cross the line of respecting islam vs. admiration of islam, which still bothers me.
Did you catch this part though....more money (from CNN commentary):
He talked about his plan "to invest $1.5 billion each year over the next five years to partner with Pakistanis to build schools and hospitals, roads and businesses" to help the countless number of internally displaced persons caught in the fighting in Pakistan. Similarly, for Afghanistan, he outlined that we will be "providing more than $2.8 billion to help Afghans develop their economy and deliver services that people depend upon."
Thats noble but no one in this administration seems to respect the fact that we have no money and are in a recession.
I did not understand his speech one bit. Since when is "Islam" a nation or country to be dealt with in such a way.
Imagine if someone tried to lecture "Hinduism" or some shit.
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Israel isn't interested in going to the table either man... They've pretty much made that clear recently.
There's no table to which Israel can go, not with Hamas, squealing "Death to Israel".
As I said, when those words come from an enemy, the time for talk is over.
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I am speaking of the general tone of the speech. I have not heard the whole thing for content. Obama is an appeaser and someone who can identify/fit in with different crowds. Sort of a something for everyone kind of person (except most of his recent policy decisions which have been decidedly left wing).
Thing is...I'm with tu in that we should back away some with our direct intervention unless absolutely necessary, including crazy amounts of financial support. I support strong diplomacy but don't see the need for us to give billions of dollars in support to any middle eastern nation or sending so many troops to fight unless there is some sort of genocide or we are at war with the country.
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Good idea. Obama should have done a Muay Thai Clinche and kneeded that asshole to the ground!
Barry does teh mma
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Barry does teh mma
Barry looks like a striker but also has that Royce Gracie thing going on too.
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Barry looks like a striker but also has that Royce Gracie thing going on too.
with the long limbs...definatley striker...
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Obama MMA? Please. He's black. He'll just pull a gun and have 20 of his boys beat the guy down. Big_Mal can vouch for this. 8)
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Obama MMA? Please. He's black. He'll just pull a gun and have 20 of his boys beat the guy down. Big_Mal can vouch for this. 8)
Good point,but he is half white too, so he might negotiate (or negrotiate) his way out of the situation.
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Good point,but he is half white too, so he might negotiate (or negrotiate) his way out of the situation.
Nice.
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Good point,but he is half white too, so he might negotiate (or negrotiate) his way out of the situation.
;D
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Speaking of world leaders and MMA...Putin is supposed to be a pretty good judo player.
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There's no table to which Israel can go, not with Hamas, squealing "Death to Israel".
As I said, when those words come from an enemy, the time for talk is over.
If these words were uttered by Hamas, ...why did you earlier imply attribution to the Saudi King?
Are you a disinformation agent sent to confuse & obfuscate things? Designed to rile up the sheeple?
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Speaking of world leaders and MMA...Putin is supposed to be a pretty good judo player.
HAHAHAHAHA he is pretty bad ass...
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If these words were uttered by Hamas, ...why did you earlier imply attribution to the Saudi King?
Are you a disinformation agent sent to confuse & obfuscate things? Designed to rile up the sheeple?
I have no plans of riling YOU up at all!! ;D
If Saudi Arabia is participating (directly or indirectly) in helping any of these silly folks, determined to destroy Israel, then the folks there are on the hook, too.
The point, which you apparently missed, is that Obama can't be diplomatic with ANYONE, when they're hell-bent on destroying another nation (be it Israel or America).
Good thing they aren't screaming, Death to Canada.....yet!!!
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Pretty sweet. We have two national Armenian judoka champions teaching judo at our MMA gym. This is a short video about Putin's instructional DVD at age 56.
Sorry about the tangential post. Back to Muslims and Obama...
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This thread is filled with huge quantities of hypocrisy and down right stupidity.
So I have learned from this thread that when I go to a completely different country I should bring the customs of some other country that have no relations to the place or the situation.
Then I have learned that a country that supply food,electricity,medicine,jobs and more to people who send terrorists to kill it's civilian population are actually committing genocide.
Wow....I truly thank you people...this board enlightened me ::)
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This thread is filled with huge quantities of hypocrisy and down right stupidity.
So I have learned from this thread that when I go to a completely different country I should bring the customs of some other country that have no relations to the place or the situation.
Then I have learned that a country that supply food,electricity,medicine,jobs and more to people who send terrorists to kill it's civilian population are actually committing genocide.
Wow....I truly thank you people...this board enlightened me ::)
ALL FROM YOU
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ALL FROM YOU
Off course it's from me, because I don't swing off Obama nuts than I must be a hypocrate and stupid ::)
The man must have a huge sac with all of you swinging on it.
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I have no plans of riling YOU up at all!! ;D
If Saudi Arabia is participating (directly or indirectly) in helping any of these silly folks, determined to destroy Israel, then the folks there are on the hook, too.
I'm glad to see you take such a position. The ability to empathize with those with whom you are in conflict is the first step to ending that conflict. Just substitue Saudi Arabia for USA, and Israel for Palestine, and you echo the sentiments of many in the Middle East, as well as illustrate an understanding of much of the animosity and dislike many in the middle east feel towards US foreign policy.
The point, which you apparently missed, is that Obama can't be diplomatic with ANYONE, when they're hell-bent on destroying another nation (be it Israel or America).
I heard he was very congenial & diplomatic with Bush. If he managed that, ...he's capable of showing diplomacy abroad
Good thing they aren't screaming, Death to Canada.....yet!!!
Why would anyone want to do that? You Uhmurcans haven't run out of oil or softwood lumber already have you?
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Off course it's from me, because I don't swing off Obama nuts than I must be a hypocrate and stupid ::)
The man must have a huge sac with all of you swinging on it.
He's Black, ...what do you think? ;D
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http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=48430
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He's Black, ...what do you think? ;D
I think that you're an ignorant racist.
(BTW even in this matter you're racism fucks you, it's been shown in studies that on average black and white men have the same size of genital, the only difference is that the genital of black people doesn't shrink as much at flaccid mode.)
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it's been shown in studies that on average black and white men have the same size of genital, the only difference is that the genital of black people doesn't shrink as much at flaccid mode.)
I will take your word on this as you appear to me the expert on black male genitalia.
Have you been fantasizing umm... I mean studying them very long?
...or are you just a quick learner due to your overwhelming enthusiasm for the subject matter?
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I will take your word on this as you appear to me the expert on black male genitalia.
Have you been fantasizing umm... I mean studying them very long?
...or are you just a quick learner due to your overwhelming enthusiasm for the subject matter?
You're so witty ::)
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http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001818/