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(CNN) -- Two U.S. journalists detained in North Korea while covering the plight of defectors living along the China-North Korea border have been sentenced to 12 years in labor camps, the country's state-run media said Monday.
Euna Lee has been in North Korean custody since March when she and another reporter were detained.
Euna Lee has been in North Korean custody since March when she and another reporter were detained.
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The Central Court of North Korea sentenced Laura Ling and Euna Lee for the "grave crime they committed against the Korean nation and their illegal border crossing," the Korean Central News Agency said Monday.
Ling and Lee were taken into custody March 17. They are reporters for California-based Current TV, a media venture of former U.S. Vice President Al Gore.
The idea of sending either Gore or New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson to Pyongyang on a mission to get the journalists released has been floated to the North Koreans, senior administration officials told CNN.
Observers had been barred from their trial, a U.S. State Department spokesman has said.
Ian Kelly told reporters that according to media reports, the trial began Thursday. He said the department was informed by the Swedish ambassador to North Korea that no observers were allowed in the courtroom.
Sweden represents the United States in North Korea, because the two countries, which fought on opposite sides during the three-year Korean War in the 1950s, do not have diplomatic relations.
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Kelly called the trial an "opaque procedure."
He said the department was notified that the reporters had a defense attorney but wasn't given the lawyer's name. U.S. officials have repeatedly called for the journalists' release.
North Korea charged the reporters with illegal entry into the country, "hostile acts" and spying.
Their families broke months of silence this week, making public pleas for their release.
"When the girls left the United States, they never intended to cross into North Korean soil. And if they did at any point, we apologize," Lisa Ling, Laura Ling's sister, said on "Anderson Cooper 360" on Wednesday.
"And we know that they are very, very sorry. And we ask that you show mercy today," added Lisa Ling, a special correspondent for CNN. Video Watch family members describe what little they know »
Contact with the women has been extremely limited.
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The Swedish ambassador was allowed to see the two women last week, according to the U.S. State Department. The ambassador met separately with them March 30 and May 15.
Despite the limited communication, the families say they've heard enough to know the women are "terrified" and "extremely scared."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/06/08/nkorea.journalists/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
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very very sad. Those poor people. :(
Obama's response: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/world/asia/08korea.html?_r=1&hp
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration signaled Sunday that it was seeking a way to interdict, possibly with China’s help, North Korean sea and air shipments suspected of carrying weapons or nuclear technology.
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i read on cnn that they had to be found guilty to be later pardoned which is to be expected because the courts could not find them innocent. they will also be in a "labor prison" which does not sound pleasant at all. i am surprised this isnt getting more exposure. i am also very surprised Al Gore's camp responded with a "no comment" being that Laura worked for him, very sad on his part. N. Korea needs to be handled already. Euna and Laura Ling were doing a documentary on women abduction into N. Korea. they have already been there too long. what is taking so long?
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very very sad. Those poor people. :(
Obama's response: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/world/asia/08korea.html?_r=1&hp
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration signaled Sunday that it was seeking a way to interdict, possibly with China’s help, North Korean sea and air shipments suspected of carrying weapons or nuclear technology.
They'll be contest lean in no time.
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i read on cnn that they had to be found guilty to be later pardoned which is to be expected because the courts could not find them innocent. they will also be in a "labor prison" which does not sound pleasant at all. i am surprised this isnt getting more exposure. i am also very surprised Al Gore's camp responded with a "no comment" being that Laura worked for him, very sad on his part. N. Korea needs to be handled already. Euna and Laura Ling were doing a documentary on women abduction into N. Korea. they have already been there too long. what is taking so long?
What would you expect him to say? If he is involved with negotiations to have them pardoned, any public comment on his part could jeopardize those talks. Furthermore, given the current situation with NK, this is not the time to be ratcheting up the rhetoric regarding this situation. There's no doubt in my mind these women will be used as bargaining chips
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What would you expect him to say? If he is involved with negotiations to have them pardoned, any public comment on his part could jeopardize those talks. Furthermore, given the current situation with NK, this is not the time to be ratcheting up the rhetoric regarding this situation. There's no doubt in my mind these women will be used as bargaining chips
Dear Leader is laughing at Obama because he knows he will get more concessions to release these two.
Al Gore should volunteer to go to these labor camps since he has a lot of fat to burn off and they were working for him.
Once again reality comes back to bite Al Gore in the ass.
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This is all a sad game and has MUCH (if not everything) to do with Kim naming his youngest son as his successor last week.
I'm sure Gore has been advised to say nothing and I'm sure the Obama Admin is doing the dance behind the scenes to deal with the nutjob.
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They said Gore was headed to nKorea this weekend. Either Barry stopped him or nKorea were like "who".
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This is all a sad game and has MUCH (if not everything) to do with Kim naming his youngest son as his successor last week.
I'm sure Gore has been advised to say nothing and I'm sure the Obama Admin is doing the dance behind the scenes to deal with the nutjob.
Gore should always be advised to STFU since most of what he says are lies and distortions anyway.
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They said Gore was headed to nKorea this weekend. Either Barry stopped him or nKorea were like "who".
All I could find were stories that said he may go to North Korea.
I'm sure whatever is going on no one will know until after it's over
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This is all a sad game and has MUCH (if not everything) to do with Kim naming his youngest son as his successor last week.
I'm sure Gore has been advised to say nothing and I'm sure the Obama Admin is doing the dance behind the scenes to deal with the nutjob.
I am telling you, contest ripped in just a few weeks!
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Gore should always be advised to STFU since most of what he says are lies and distortions anyway.
great contribution
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very very sad. Those poor people. :(
Obama's response: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/08/world/asia/08korea.html?_r=1&hp
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration signaled Sunday that it was seeking a way to interdict, possibly with China’s help, North Korean sea and air shipments suspected of carrying weapons or nuclear technology.
that article was about NK and their recent nuke activity not the reporters...nice spin...you think they might have wanted to begin looking at options ohhhhhhh iono when they launched their "satillite"?
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that article was about NK and their recent nuke activity not the reporters...nice spin...you think they might have wanted to begin looking at options ohhhhhhh iono when they launched their "satillite"?
The speculation is that the missle test, the detention of the reporters, and the fact that Kim Jung Il named his youngest son as successor last week is not a coicidence.
think about it for a few seconds and you might see why some would think these are not isolated events
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According to 240, they were spies anyway. They should recieve the death penalty.
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The speculation is that the missle test, the detention of the reporters, and the fact that Kim Jung Il named his youngest son as successor last week is not a coicidence.
think about it for a few seconds and you might see why some would think these are not isolated events
I totally agree these events are linked iono why you believe them to be linked but nipping the first one in the bud or at least responding to the first one could have prevented the second, third and what is sure to be the fourth and fifth etc...events
also not a coincidence that all this is taking place months after obama got into office...
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I totally agree these events are linked iono why you believe them to be linked but nipping the first one in the bud or at least responding to the first one could have prevented the second, third and what is sure to be the fourth and fifth etc...events
also not a coincidence that all this is taking place months after obama got into office...
I think you are correct about this too.
when I responded to your post I thought you were responding to mine and I didn't notice it was from Rob
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I totally agree these events are linked iono why you believe them to be linked but nipping the first one in the bud or at least responding to the first one could have prevented the second, third and what is sure to be the fourth and fifth etc...events
also not a coincidence that all this is taking place months after obama got into office...
I'm not sure what nipping in the bud would mean in this case. I believe it's likely that Kim Jung Il had planned to name his successor and planned a series of events in obvious attempt at saber rattling. I believe the reporters were detained prior to the missle test and Il just named his son as successor last Tuesday. I don't really see what/how could have been "nipped"
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I'm not sure what nipping in the bud would mean in this case. I believe it's likely that Kim Jung Il had planned to name his successor and planned a series of events in obvious attempt at saber rattling. I believe the reporters were detained prior to the missle test and Il just named his son as successor last Tuesday. I don't really see what/how could have been "nipped"
the saber rattling possibly could have been nipped in the bud if something had been done about NK "satellite" launch...you think that they would have continued down the road they have is they had recieved a clear message that those actions or actions along those lines would not be tolerated? possibly but not probably...Like you said and I pretty much agree with this is saber rattling and will continue as long as its tolerated.
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the saber rattling possibly could have been nipped in the bud if something had been done about NK "satellite" launch...you think that they would have continued down the road they have is they had recieved a clear message that those actions or actions along those lines would not be tolerated? possibly but not probably...Like you said and I pretty much agree with this is saber rattling and will continue as long as its tolerated.
we'll have to see how Obama Admininstration and the international community will handle it.
hopefully it won't be the virtual capitulation by the Bush Admin....after they tried their own attempt at saber rattling Yeah - I know Bush is gone - but we're still dealing with the aftermath. Maybe if Bush hadn't taken NK off the list of state sponsor of terrorism or had enforced their agreements with NK we wouldn't be dealing with them now.
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we'll have to see how Obama Admininstration and the international community will handle it.
hopefully it won't be the virtual capitulation by the Bush Admin....after they tried their own attempt at saber rattling Yeah - I know Bush is gone - but we're still dealing with the aftermath. Maybe if Bush hadn't taken NK off the list of state sponsor of terrorism or had enforced their agreements with NK we wouldn't be dealing with them now.
hmmm im not saying bushs actions where the way to go but seriously the situation would still be much the same...again its no coincidence that all this is taking place a few months after obama got in...what would NK still being on the spot list have done to stop them from any of the actions they have commited so far with obama in office?
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hmmm im not saying bushs actions where the way to go but seriously the situation would still be much the same...again its no coincidence that all this is taking place a few months after obama got in...what would NK still being on the spot list have done to stop them from any of the actions they have commited so far with obama in office?
I've alreayd agreed with you that the new Administration is certainly part of the timing of these events.
Bush's policy toward NK was a complete disaster and roundly criticized by all parties including John Bolton
I know I posted this before (and I think this guy is wacky, though not dumb):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121478274355214441.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385733887027383.html
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I've alreayd agreed with you that the new Administration is certainly part of the timing of these events.
Bush's policy toward NK was a complete disaster and roundly criticized by all parties including John Bolton
I know I posted this before (and I think this guy is wacky, though not dumb):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121478274355214441.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385733887027383.html
and i already agreed with you about that...in the first article it says that obama agreed with the way bush handled NK...
what would NK still being on the spot list have done to stop them from any of the actions they have commited so far with obama in office?
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and i already agreed with you about that...in the first article it says that obama agreed with the way bush handled NK...
what would NK still being on the spot list have done to stop them from any of the actions they have commited so far with obama in office?
well that was candidate Obama in 2008 and we've already seen him go back on things that he said on the campaign trail but perhaps this is one where he'll be consistent.
honestly - I think NK will do whatever they want until their is some revolution or military action. I don't think Kim Jung Il give half a shit about his people or his country
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well that was candidate Obama in 2008 and we've already seen him go back on things that he said on the campaign trail but perhaps this is one where he'll be consistent.
honestly - I think NK will do whatever they want until their is some revolution or military action. I don't think Kim Jung Il give half a shit about his people or his country
I agree that he doesnt give a shit about his ppl but iono about military action being the only thing that will stop them. It needs to be a viable option as it is probably the only thing NK respects in the long run but again if actions that are being considered now would have been implemented after the satellitle launch i seriously doubt NK would still be going down the road they are.
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I agree that he doesnt give a shit about his ppl but iono about military action being the only thing that will stop them. It needs to be a viable option as it is probably the only thing NK respects in the long run but again if actions that are being considered now would have been implemented after the satellitle launch i seriously doubt NK would still be going down the road they are.
what actions?
Sanctions?
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what actions?
Sanctions?
the actions being discussed from the article you posted which had nothing to do with what you represented it as...who knew, right?
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the actions being discussed from the article you posted which had nothing to do with what you represented it as...who knew, right?
you have criticized obama for not acting about the satelite launch, but what can you do with NK?
Sanctions, sure. Starve millions of people while kim jung il and friends keep on living well. it's a police state, there won't be a revolution or anything silly like that.
I don't see how it's anything but a no-win situation. you can bomb the shit outta them, and risk a suitcase bomb sneaking out and causing damage or a few missiles hitting our 50k men stationed next door. you can sanction and starve theri people, but no democracy means just what happened in iraq... millions of poor people starved and leadership remained intact.
I don't know what the solution is, and I dont think you do either.
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you have criticized obama for not acting about the satelite launch, but what can you do with NK?
Sanctions, sure. Starve millions of people while kim jung il and friends keep on living well. it's a police state, there won't be a revolution or anything silly like that.
I don't see how it's anything but a no-win situation. you can bomb the shit outta them, and risk a suitcase bomb sneaking out and causing damage or a few missiles hitting our 50k men stationed next door. you can sanction and starve theri people, but no democracy means just what happened in iraq... millions of poor people starved and leadership remained intact.
I don't know what the solution is, and I dont think you do either.
you can do exactly what they are thinking about doing now but earlier bro...again you think if actions where taken to convey to NK that their actions would not be tolerated after the "satellite" launch they would have continued down the road they have?
"The Obama administration signaled Sunday that it was seeking a way to interdict, possibly with China’s help, North Korean sea and air shipments suspected of carrying weapons or nuclear technology." FROM YOUR OWN LINK...
they couldnt do this with supplies etc. that NK imports...from what i recall they import a great deal of their goods.
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What would you expect him to say? If he is involved with negotiations to have them pardoned, any public comment on his part could jeopardize those talks. Furthermore, given the current situation with NK, this is not the time to be ratcheting up the rhetoric regarding this situation. There's no doubt in my mind these women will be used as bargaining chips
Who the said he should be involved in negotiation talks? stop creating your own counter points which have nothing to do with my post to begin with. youre the only one speculating that Gore would even sniff any such possibilities on his part.
A comment about how they are in his prayers or something indicating his concern other than "no comment" from his camp would be more appropriate.
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According to 240, they were spies anyway. They should recieve the death penalty.
I see you are still stuck on that Iran spy case.
So, when you saw the reporter in Iran was released, then did an interview in which she freely admitted that
1) She was caught with classified documents in her possession
2) She actually TOLD THEM she was a spy
Did you have an "ah-ha, 240 was kinda right..." moment?
Yes, they accused the iran chick of being a spy, but she sure looked guilty by carrying spy documents and confessing and all...
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Yes you were very extremely right. She freely admitted that she was a spy with no coercion at all and upon her own free will.
Also, 911 was an inside job and GW Bush is keeping Amelia Airheart captive in the crawl space of his ranch in Crawford Texas.
240: Also believes that gay marriage is the answer to overpopulation, global warming and better healthcare for americans.
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Yes you were very extremely right. She freely admitted that she was a spy with no coercion at all and upon her own free will.
Also, 911 was an inside job and GW Bush is keeping Amelia Airheart captive in the crawl space of his ranch in Crawford Texas.
240: Also believes that gay marriage is the answer to overpopulation, global warming and better healthcare for americans.
If completely lying about my positions on things might make you feel better, so be it.
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you can do exactly what they are thinking about doing now but earlier bro...again you think if actions where taken to convey to NK that their actions would not be tolerated after the "satellite" launch they would have continued down the road they have?
"The Obama administration signaled Sunday that it was seeking a way to interdict, possibly with China’s help, North Korean sea and air shipments suspected of carrying weapons or nuclear technology." FROM YOUR OWN LINK...
they couldnt do this with supplies etc. that NK imports...from what i recall they import a great deal of their goods.
bump for a response 240 if you dont want to comment on post quit posting in that thread...
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According to 240, they were spies anyway. They should recieve the death penalty.
Well they do have spies written all over them...And working for the vice President's network "Current" doesn't help the situation either...
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I don't have a clue if either the Iran or NK reporters were breaking the law.
I know that if some iranian reporter was caught in DC carrying classified documents and admitted to being a spy, everyone here would be demanding she be waterboarded, locked up, etc.
Same if we had a very hostile border, and 2 neocon mouthpieces from the other side wandered over the border into our area during a quasi-nuclear standoff.
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The moral equivalancy train keeps right on rolling with u doesn't it 240. The first point is that she got treated pretty rough in Iran, as will those to journo's in nKorea. Second, if some Iranian was caught spying here, they could do anything they want to him/her...I could care less. I'm worried about my folks...not theirs. There is not some big scoreboard at the end that totals all this up. The point is to be ahead. Iran and nKorea are rogue nations that have/had our folks...we do what we have to, to get them back. What happens if we capture theirs, has nothing to do with it...fair doesn't count.
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I love America and I'm all for us doing what needs to be done with iran and NK to keep them non-nuke countries.
I am just defending myself against BB and Whorewell, who attacked me after the Iran spy thing. Look 4 posts up. Whorewell making it about aliens and gay marriage, etc.
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I love America and I'm all for us doing what needs to be done with iran and NK to keep them non-nuke countries.
I am just defending myself against BB and Whorewell, who attacked me after the Iran spy thing. Look 4 posts up. Whorewell making it about aliens and gay marriage, etc.
you seem pretty happy about obama not doing anything about NK... ???
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you can do exactly what they are thinking about doing now but earlier bro...again you think if actions where taken to convey to NK that their actions would not be tolerated after the "satellite" launch they would have continued down the road they have?
"The Obama administration signaled Sunday that it was seeking a way to interdict, possibly with China’s help, North Korean sea and air shipments suspected of carrying weapons or nuclear technology." FROM YOUR OWN LINK...
they couldnt do this with supplies etc. that NK imports...from what i recall they import a great deal of their goods.
The operative words in that link are "with China's help". The reason sanctions have been touch-and-go up until now is because each nation is left up to their own devices in enforcing them. China and Russia are NKorea's only real trading partners. The nuclear test gave China an incentive to possible step away from Nkorea.
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you seem pretty happy about obama not doing anything about NK... ???
no, like I said, i'd force the UN's hand, let some peacekeeping forces get caught in the middle, and force china/russia/france/ger to pressure NK so our men didn't have to bleed for it.
I' all about action, but finding a way to make the world do it. Obama could stand on his head with multiple UN resolutions, telling the world (and china) either you contain NK or I will put 25 nukes up their asses in exactly 3 months.
China knows that shit would mess up their country for decades, and they'd tame NK by paying them off, smacking their hand, etc. Nukes ended or we cook them, but get the men out of SK so we don't have targets there.
I want our forces to be safe and NK to lose their nukes. It's that simple. Force the world's hand, and if that doesn't work, you cook their asses so bad there ain't no coming back.
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The operative words in that link are "with China's help". The reason sanctions have been touch-and-go up until now is because each nation is left up to their own devices in enforcing them. China and Russia are NKorea's only real trading partners. The nuclear test gave China an incentive to possible step away from Nkorea.
china already has incentive to keep NK in check prior to all of this as HH6 has pointed out many times
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china already has incentive to keep NK in check prior to all of this as HH6 has pointed out many times
They had MORE incentive to continue trading with them. The nuclear test changed that.
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no, like I said, i'd force the UN's hand, let some peacekeeping forces get caught in the middle, and force china/russia/france/ger to pressure NK so our men didn't have to bleed for it.
I' all about action, but finding a way to make the world do it. Obama could stand on his head with multiple UN resolutions, telling the world (and china) either you contain NK or I will put 25 nukes up their asses in exactly 3 months.
China knows that shit would mess up their country for decades, and they'd tame NK by paying them off, smacking their hand, etc. Nukes ended or we cook them, but get the men out of SK so we don't have targets there.
I want our forces to be safe and NK to lose their nukes. It's that simple. Force the world's hand, and if that doesn't work, you cook their asses so bad there ain't no coming back.
agree/disagree?