Explained by Wayne Demilia
The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?"
So for anyone who claims any contest was fixed this should quell ignorance
What if all 9 judges turned up at once at the Mirage Hotel in 1993?
what do you expect Wayne to say? that its easy to fix a contest and that they did it all the time? LOL
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most judges rely on the he.ad NP.C J.udges vote and base score on that - they each see each others scoring as well
also lets not get into the stories about jud.ges helping certain competitors(male and female mind you) 'out' then those ind reaping the reward at the night show and afterward
The problem with BB contest is not that they are fixed.....the problem is that they are gay.
After seeing the comparisons over and over again I really felt that Ronnie deserved to win, as you all know the evening show would tell a different tale.
This is just what the sport needed but it was perhaps done at the wrong show.
i havnt read the thread
but the 81 olympia was fixed. Only a true idiot would claim otherwise.
1980 and 1981
fucking foreigners
When the FIX is in who the Fuck thinks the JUDGES even know when the winner is named.The FAT Judges just sit there eating and think wow I didn't have him 1st but oh well the others must have.The Fucking scores DON'T count and judges are just there for the look sort of like the Drug Rule.hMMMMMMMMMMMMM,
I think the biggest most blatant example of a contest fix was probably ronnie's loss to gunter in 2002.
the way the magazines hyped up the Olympia based on the results of that contest made it pretty clear that it was done strictly to boost ticket sales, and it worked..
because on stage, gunter lost:
even bodybuilding.com says it was a fix done to stir up sales:
and they know much more than you ND, so dont even start..
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/pierce25.htm
they comment that the fix should have been done at a different show, presumably a more well known and covered show:
there you have it. even the folks at bb.com acknowledge that the win was politically motivated and that it would have been better to do it at a different show..
That proves nothing and you're the monumental idiot who claimed 1993 Dorian lost to Flex and Ronnie dominated the 2001 Olympia , it shows where your mentality is , contests aren't fixed when you agree with outcome but when you don't they are , I believe they call that hypocrisy
2002 Ronnie was soundly beat by a bigger better man
dorian> ronnie
2002 Ronnie was wrongly beat by a bigger man for no other reason than to sell olympia tickets..
fixed.
1994 dorian over ray was a scam too..
If there is NO FIXING of Contests how do you explain Chick winning that Old mans show???FFS.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????
Reading one source of information and claiming that to be the defacto standard for every situation would be like believing the US government when they told us there were WMD's in Iraq.
I'm not saying there are fixed shows, but we all know politics play a HUGE role in this sport and every other for that matter. Believing it's all 100% legit all the time is laughable at best.
Real simple....I was better. As was Gunter over Ronnie at the GNC SOS
Sometimes, the most obvious answer is the most simple one.
Real simple....I was better. As was Gunter over Ronnie at the GNC SOS
Sometimes, the most obvious answer is the most simple one.
And Dorian winning with one Fucking Bicep and Franco winning with a shit physique just as Arnold in 1980 with No Fucking legs.FFS pic most BB comps and there will always be a BAD BAD judging decision and why is that.POOR FUCKING JUDGES or Told how to Vote or just not used at all.FFS all that Drug use and nothing to show for it.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmm.Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm.
And Dorian winning with one Fucking Bicep and Franco winning with a shit physique just as Arnold in 1980 with No Fucking legs.FFS pic most BB comps and there will always be a BAD BAD judging decision and why is that.POOR FUCKING JUDGES or Told how to Vote or just not used at all.FFS all that Drug use and nothing to show for it.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmm.Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm.
the Arnold Classic has had some fucked up wins too.
eg. Jay with one side of his body 1/4 smaller than the other over Chris Cormier was a scam too.
remember that? lol
arguments can be made for arnold, but none can be made for franco.
I was at that show. Cutler's win was a complete joke. His right leg was half the size of his left and he honestly didn't even have a right bicep, it simply wasn't there. Everyone sitting nearby was talking about it.
Cormier looked incredible that show, was the clear winner.
Yes this can be said after many shows it's a Fucking JOKE and everyone outside BB is laughing at how this shit has been going on forever and will go on forever as the Sport Dog show they call BB is a Fucking JOKE.
WRONG either all contests are fixed or none are fixed you can't have it both ways , in order to fix a contest 9 guys have to be paid off , extremely improbable . if you have ANY inside information feel free to post it but this quells your conspiracy theory
read this great article from Pete McGough from 2001 after a bunch of people where crying fix at that contest
How the Olympia was fixed - Give Pete a Chance - Brief Article
Flex , Feb, 2002 by Peter McGough
It was shortly after 2:25 PM on Saturday, October 27, at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino Events Center in Las Vegas. The prejudging of the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest had just concluded and Jim Manion looked with horror at the score sheets he had collected from the IFBB judging panel. As NPC chairman and head of the IFBB judges committee, Manion couldn't believe his eyes. Jay Cutler had won both the muscularity and symmetry rounds, and he led defending champ Ronnie Coleman by two rounds to nil.
Manion rushed from the auditorium in search of Wayne DeMilia, IFBB Pro Division chairman and promoter of the IFBB Mr. Olympia contest. DeMilia went pale, instantly realizing, as Manion had done earlier, that this was not meant to be. This was Joe Weider's Mr. Olympia contest and a Weider-contracted athlete -- namely Coleman -- had to win. Cutler had ceased to be a Weider athlete shortly after the 2000 Mr. Olympia. DeMilia and Manion both knew that something had gone horribly wrong, that once Joe Weider learned his man was second, he would go ballistic and there would be hell to pay. The duo promptly left for the hotel suite that acted as IFBB base of Olympia operations.
As they walked through the door of the suite, the phone rang, and DeMilia picked it up to hear the well-known twang of Joe Weider. Joe had already heard that Coleman was marooned in second place and he demanded the circumstances be changed in order for his man to win. Later that evening, under DeMiia and Manion's direction, the judging panel gave the posing and posedown rounds to Coleman, thus ensuring he, and not Cutler, was crowned 2001 Mr. Olympia. Oh, and Lou Ferrigno and Gary Coleman are twins separated at birth.
For the record, the last sentence is more credible than the contents of the first three paragraphs. Believe it or not, the fictionalized version of what went on at the judging of the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest has been spun in certain quarters by some presenting themselves as insiders. Here are the facts. 1. Joe Weider plays no part in deciding who is. judged Mr. Olympia. At the time of the prejudging, he was in fact at one of his residences in Las Vegas and was not even aware that Coleman's crown had been in jeopardy until after the event.
2. If the reality was that a Weider man had to win the Olympia, why would the judges have given Cutler the first two rounds, thereby giving themselves a problem to sort out later?
3. The truth is that Coleman was off at the prejudging but was sharper at the evening show, and his posing was much more outgoing and aggressive than Cutler's. Therefore, the defending champ winning the posing and posedown rounds is entirely believable. (Coleman actually won the contest because his winning margins in the final two rounds were greater than Cutler's in the first two rounds.)
4. Leaving aside the opinion that a bodybuilding contest (i.e., the assessment of who has the best body) is really decided during the first two rounds, current judging criteria holds that all four rounds have equal value. So, again, Coleman's manner of victory is entirely understandable, if a bit unorthodox. You can make an argument that, in the end, the posedown should not decide the Mr. Olympia contest, but that's a question of the process needing modification and irrelevant to the judging format that existed on
October 27, 2001.
5. In a subjective sport like bodybuilding, conjecture will always reign that a contest has been rigged, especially if there is an unpopular result. For an Olympia contest to be fixed, 13 judges have to be in cahoots and conspire to control the result. Over the years, rumormongers have ventured that Olympias have been manipulated, but in all those years, no member of those judging panels (many of whom have left or broken away from bodybuilding in acrimonious circumstances) have blown the whistle. The reason: There is no whistle to blow.
6. The bodybuilding community isn't exactly known to be a great keeper of secrets. Rumors of a hangnail become an amputated leg once the story goes around gyms for a couple of days. I've been involved in this sport for decades. If there had been corruption in the judging of Mr. Olympia, I'd have heard about it long before now.
7. History shows there is no Weider bias in the judging of an Olympia. When Ronnie Coleman first won the Mr. Olympia in 1998, he was not a Weider athlete and had not been considered as a candidate for one until he won the O. Shortly before the 1991 Mr. Olympia, reigning champ Lee Haney severed his ties with Weider and signed a megabucks contract with Twinlab. The rumor was that Joe Weider would not "allow" him to win the O. Another Weider athlete, Dorian Yates, entered his first Olympia that year and pushed Haney all the way. If Weider bias ruled at the Olympia, Yates would have been named the 1991 Mr. Olympia.
Stop press: As this column was completed, news broke of Jay Cutler's notification that his Olympia drug-test sample had tested positive. (This was before all tests at the 2001 Olympia were declared null and void. See page 118 for full details.) Again, the rumor mill hummed to the tune that the Weider/IFBB combine, not content with simply "fixing" the Olympia, was trying to fix Cutler, period. When the drug tests were declared null and void, the same uninformed cynics postulated that the IFBB, fearing legal intervention, had decided to close the issue down. Totally untrue. The reasons for the tests being declared null and void are completely due to the facts stated on page 118.
The bottom line is that neither the Weider company nor the IFBB had anything to gain by derailing Cutler's bandwagon. With Cutler nearly dethroning Coleman, DeMilia was almost salivating at the prospect of a new young contender who could be promoted as a legitimate threat for the 2002 Olympia crown. Any attempt to undermine Cutler undermined the sport, the IFBB and the Olympia contest. As it is, the IFBB followed due process and did the right thing. But, for some people, that's kinda boring.
Says it all, and says it well...
No one is saying that their arent bad decisions, but crying fix is laughable
Explained by Wayne Demilia
The judges simply ranked the competitors on a sheet of paper, awarding the best man one point, the second two and so on. It was a simple method in which the lowest score won. DeMilia had devised a system where the computer randomly selected one judge per round as an alternate, thus eliminating their score. It then removed the three highest and the three lowest scoring judges. From the twelve judges, then, just five papers counted in any one round, and the judges were unaware of which they were, " To fix a contest, definitely beyond a shadow of a doubt, Wayne had told me, somewhat gleefully, ' you gotta buy off nine judges. I figured this out mathematically. You gotta buy off nine judges. In our sport, with all the big mouths and gossips and everything else, you think nine judges could keep their mouths shut? And lets face it, you gotta go to nine judges and one says ' I don't wanna do it, ' you gotta go to number ten...You think that one other guy ain't gonna talk? ' Hey he tried to buy me off, but I didn't take it. He didn't offer me enough money..." how much money is it gonna take.?"
So for anyone who claims any contest was fixed this should quell your ignorance
That's NOT what Rusty says.
Says it all, and says it well...
No one is saying that their arent bad decisions, but crying fix is laughable
Thats not what anyone who loses says....
except 'masters' competitions tho ::)
I wonder why Vince Taylor (who could easily beat bob) decided at the last minute not to do the master's show?
Interesting that he enters a regular IFBB show shortly thereafter, and gets a surprisingly high placing for an old guy. ::)
I don't know...whay don't you take 2 minutes away from this site and email him to ask?
i havnt read the thread
but the 81 olympia was fixed. Only a true idiot would claim otherwise.
WRONG either all contests are fixed or none are fixed you can't have it both ways , in order to fix a contest 9 guys have to be paid off , extremely improbable .
And Dorian winning with one Fucking Bicep and Franco winning with a shit physique just as Arnold in 1980 with No Fucking legs.FFS pic most BB comps and there will always be a BAD BAD judging decision and why is that.POOR FUCKING JUDGES or Told how to Vote or just not used at all.FFS all that Drug use and nothing to show for it.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmm.Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm.
Just to let you know. If he actually said this, he said it while employed by the IFBB. Ask him now and hear what he really has to say and hear the explanation. You will delete this post
Keep in mind that ND has a huge hardon to work for the IFBB if he doesn't already, which to be charitable might explain the naivete to some extent.
In terms of pure schmoism he's considered an up and coming Ben Weider. :-\
ND wouldn't delete it. he picks and chooses which quotes to believe even if the person giving the quote has retracted their comments and changed their minds later on.. ::)
he does it all the time.
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the thing is, there have been some instances of judging that is so wrong it points to a fix.
eg. dorian 93 was going to be given first in the muscularity round without being compared to his competitors.
what does that say about the judging system? why even bother to have a round if the judges didnt care how dorian compared to his fellow competitors and were going to give him first no matter what he looked like?
now, Im not saying that 93 was a fix or that dorian didnt deserve to win.
but the process used to arrive at the conclusion has to be fair and equitable each time. just because some is good doesn't mean you can throw all the rules out and do whatever you want, as was the case in this instance...
This coming from the same guy who claims 2001 Olympia Ronnie dominated by losing the whole prejuding
he did dominate
but lost the prejudging anyway.
thats the point flowerboy. judging can be flat out wrong sometimes. if you look at Ronnie and Jay that year, Ronnie crushed Jay from the back, matched him from the front. Jay didn't deserve to win those two rounds..
luckily the judges realized their error enough to have the rightfull winner crowned..
He most certainly did NOT dominate , more of your retarded logic , one doesn't dominate by losing that's an oxymoron
sigh. ::)
you don't get it. probably because you work with flowers :-*
you love to point out how ronnie lost the symmetry and muscularity round.
what you don't get is that he should not have lost those two rounds in the first place:
you are assuming what you are arguing for to be true.
thats called begging the question, moron..
you really think ronnie deserved to lose the first two rounds:
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The bigger travesty of the 2001 Olympia is not who should of won, but rather that Jay Cultler blatantly cheated, got caught, and manged to bitch and moan his way out of his due punishment. I usually dont have many good things to say about Nasser, but you have to give him credit, when he failed the Diuretics test, he took it in stride. He stated that he wasnt sure if they were going to actully implement it, and didnt want to take any chances, so he risked it.
Jay Culter gets way too much credit as this all around great guy, when in truth he is more of a selfish douchebag that his rep might indicate.
Jay won in 2001...
ironically. most of the posters on this thread agree that many contests are fixed and polically motivated..
your thread failed and backfired in your face lol
Apparantly (according to Bigbobs) Nasser didn't even fail the test, he just told Mike Matarazzo what he took and Mike dobbed him in.
If that's true, how fucked up is Mike LOL. Well i guess he got 12th instead of 13th.
This won. The Columbu of the 90s with perfect scores no less!